[21069] in APO-L
Re: [APO-L] APO and BSA statement
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Kelvin Wallace)
Wed Jul 26 16:21:47 2000
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: Kelvin Wallace <rok1906@HOTMAIL.COM>
From: Kelvin Wallace <rok1906@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
I honestly feel that we have sacrificed quality for quantity in respect to
our "selective membership" and that in it self will be our down fall.
Concerning the race issue, it has always been an issue. An issue that has
almost always been skirted as an issue by the organization.
Respectfully yours........
>From: Jamie Karpinski <jamie@tappinfo.com>
>To: rok1906@hotmail.com, eGroup A Phi O <AlphaPhiOmega@egroups.com>, List
>Serv A Phi O <APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU>
>Subject: APO and BSA statement
>Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:02:53 -0400
>
>hello. i have been following this APO/BSA debate and i think a lot of
>you are making good points for both sides of the issue. i wasn't going
>to comment but the attached email from kelvin wallace really got to me.
>
>i agree that apo has strong historical ties to the bsa and many apo
>members are/were involved in bsa. however, i don't think that apo has
>remained tied to the bsa's selective membership. we have all types of
>people in apo and that, in my opinion, is what makes us so strong. we
>can agree to disagree on specifics, but in our hearts we are all
>brothers and share the bond of our ritual. because of that, i feel most
>apo brothers (men and women) can put aside the differences to make a
>difference in our communities by the work that we do.
>
>i don't appreciate the inference by kelivn when he said "With the
>overwhelming number of HOMOSEXUALS and WOMEN that I have observed at the
>two conventions that I have attended I wonder if our organization will
>be around for as long as the Boy Scouts WILL BE?" that the women and
>homosexuals in apo are the 'weak link' so to speak. had apo not decided
>to allow women, would our national membership today be so large? this
>may be a debate for antoher time, but i personally doubt that apo would
>be as big without women. although there remains some all male chapters
>that are very strong many apo chapters are more than half women. as for
>homosexuals, who cares what they do behind closed doors as long as they
>don't push their beliefs on you and continue to be productive members of
>apo? they have earned membership just like me and you.
>
>as far as the 'race issue' kelvin mentioned when he said, "Before you
>bring up the Black/White issue and try to use it as a basis for your
>con-Boy Scout stance, this issue isn't about race." he, to my
>knowledge, was the first to mention a race issue. maybe i missed the
>other emails. i think if apo (as a national org) does anyting with this
>issue it should be to issue a statement (like others have said)
>acknowledging our history w/ bsa but reaffirming our progressive and
>tolerent membership policies. if individuals in apo want to work to
>bring bsa into the twentieth century, more power to them. however, i
>don't think apo nationally should get involved and i don't want the
>individuals speaking for me, as a brother of apo.
>
>i think apo will remain strong well into the future regardless of what
>happens w/ bsa. thanks for listening to my opinion, feel free to
>respond.
>
>i love and respecet all my brothers.
>
>LFS,
>Jamie
>
>Alumnae, Psi Omega Chapter
>VP, Orlando Alumni Assn.
>
>--
>"Keep in mind that the true measure of an individual is how he treats a
>person who can do him absolutely no good."
>
> - Ann Landers
>
>
> > >From: "Kelvin Wallace" <rok1906@hotmail.com>
> >
> > >Subject: Re: APO vs BSA
> > >Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:24:26 GMT
> > >
> > To be blunt, I totally support the Boy Scouts and their efforts to
> > maintain their autonomy. That is why there is a Girl Scouts. I
> > personally think this is where OUR organization bumped their heads
> > or either had too much to drink when it came to this "all inclusive"
> > issue. Before you bring up the Black/White issue and try to use it
> > as a basis for your con-Boy Scout stance, this issue isn't about
> > race. One can't choose his/her color. Now sexual
> > orientation.............Well, you make the call. The Boy Scouts
> > have. With the overwhelming number of HOMOSEXUALS and WOMEN that I
> > have observed at the two conventions that I have attended I wonder
> > if our organization will be around for as long as the Boy Scouts
> > WILL BE?
> > >
> > >>From: "The APhiQ/GSS Family" <ayphiquegammasig@hotmail.com>
> > >>To: apoxman@aol.com, rayjrich@hotmail.com, KZachery@bellsouth.net,
> > >>shadowmaster000@hotmail.com, way2coolrn@cs.com,
>jo_blynd_5@hotmail.com,
> > >>mlj147@bellsouth.net, gpurnell@ococean.com, tstrawter@hotmail.com,
> > >>ripdj@hotmail.com, Lil2Pac@hotmail.com, Sheirmiar@yahoo.com,
> > >>aphiq5@gateway.net, APOPrince@aol.com, solidgold_purple@hotmail.com,
> > >>gccrocker@mindspring.com, Baloo07@hotmail.com,
>drb9444@apsu01.apsu.edu,
> > >>antoniosharp@yahoo.com, julius@anet-dfw.com,
>secondchance97@hotmail.com,
> > >>Autley357@aol.com, Sdavonlee@aol.com, oeobtl@langate.gsu.edu,
> > >>rok1906@hotmail.com, WGarfieldi@aol.com, NobleCope@aol.com,
> > >>Fredn@microsoft.com, rainmain1925@hotmail.com, Jona@ncat.edu,
> > >>Dryveby@hotmail.com, Provine13@aol.com, inf98@hotmail.com,
> > >>Yoursaidis@Hotmail.com, APQSigmaPi@hotmail.com
> > >>Subject: APO vs BSA
> > >>Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:47:22 GMT
> > >>
> > >>Setting themselves up!
> > >>For a total open membership!!!
> > >>
> > >>This is a campaign against Boy Scout of America. Check it out
> > >>
> > >>http://www.geocities.com/apograssroots/
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