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Re: Question on "Conclaves".
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Finder)
Mon Mar 8 14:45:49 1999
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Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 14:43:32 -0400
Reply-To: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
From: Randy Finder <naraht@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, John Grossi wrote:
> > > Questions:
> > >
> > > 1. When did Section 97 Sectionals becone Conclave?
> > Almost certainly this time around. I remember seeing info on the last
> > sectional conference for S97 and I don't remember it being Conclave.
>
> It wasn't... Kappa Beta decided to use the more traditional, pre-1967
> name
> this time around. You'll have to ask them there reasons personally.
> Maybe it's a sign of Region I pride :)
Maybe, though I dunno how long its going to take to convince New Jersey.
:)
>
> > >
> > > 2. Why?
> > *beats me*
> Calling it Conclave is a bit of tradition that goes back to our scouting
> heritage. Every Section had Conclave's before the 1968 National
> Convention
> from what I've been told. At that point there was a nomenclature change.
> New England keeping the "Conclave" name is a bit of history I've got no
> idea on. Possibly it has something to do with the fact that the Section
> Chair at the time Harry Smullins was a district exec, either way I think
> it's a nice tradition :)
Perhaps. Interesting piece of history though.
>
> > > 3. Can any section use the conclave nomenclature?
> > I guess, though according to the National Bylaws every section needs a
> > sectional conference every year and the explanation about Section 95 (and
> > 94/96 later) is that this is the sectional conference for section 95 and
> > it is called conclave.
> Section 94/95/96 made a concious decision in the Fall of 1971 to
> continue using the traditional name "Conclave". It's no different but it
> is a mark
> of pride. :)
And if it wasn't accepted, then sections 94 and 96 would have to go back
to whoever was the sectional chair the last time that Section 95's name
for its get together matched with official National usage. (Is the guy
still alive? :)
>
> > > 4. What's different between a sectionals and a conclave? I have been to
> > > "types" of conferences and can tell you that the section 88/89 conference
> > > more closely resembles a section 94/96 conclave than many sectionals ,
> > > for example section 99 conference.
> > Local tradition, I guess.
> correct, and a sign of our strong ties to scouting at the time.
The funny thing is that BSA is using the term Conclave much less than they
used to. Order of the Arrow seems to use it some but mostly not for other
groups....
>
> > But its a tradition that brings pride and,as I see it, has no real
> you bet! :) Everyone has sectionals... *yawn* 51 others a year... only
> *WE* have Conclave :) Well now us and NYC... but since we know all of
> them
> it's just more of US :)
Well given that two sections participate in 94/96 it would be 50 others,
but given the number of joint sectional conferences each year plus those
section which don't have any (Neither Section 10 not section 13 have had
a "real" sectional conference since Section 14 was split and 14 hadn't had
a conference since the 1980's) I'd say the number of other sectionals is
closer to 40.
>
> > > I really don't care what name is used, but I was just confused and
> > > curious.
> recite after me, EZ the person, EZ the chapter... ;) New England
> Conclave,
> New York Conclave. :)
recite after me, Its New England, you expect sanity?
YiLFS
Randy Finder
>
> -John Grossi
> Section 94 Chairman
> Alumni Omicron Iota - Worcester Polytechnic Institute
> Alumni Phi Epsilon - Maine Maritime
>
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