[107435] in Cypherpunks
Re: The First Vigilante Corp.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Adam Shostack)
Thu Jan 14 00:08:13 1999
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:21:03 -0500
From: Adam Shostack <adam@homeport.org>
To: Robert Hettinga <rah@shipwright.com>, cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
In-Reply-To: <v04020a4bb2c2c9f3ec9e@[139.167.130.248]>; from Robert Hettinga on Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 05:08:55PM -0500
Reply-To: Adam Shostack <adam@homeport.org>
Lou should keep his mouth shut while drinking. If this were the case,
(that he showed up with a baseball bat), I'd expect to see assault
charges filed.
"So, Mr. Cipher, if that is your real name, you're asserting that
Johnny broke into your computer?"
"And that justifies threatening him with a baseball bat to avoid
publicity?"
Get real.
Adam
On Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 05:08:55PM -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote:
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| Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:46:12 -0500
| To: 0xdeadbeef@substance.blackdown.org
| Subject: The First Vigilante Corp.
| Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:44:31 -0500
| From: glen mccready <glen@qnx.com>
| Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef@substance.blackdown.org
| Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request@substance.blackdown.org
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| Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev@bostic.com>
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| http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9901/12/cybervigilantes.idg/
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| Lou Cipher (a pseudonym of his choice) is a senior security
| manager at one of the country's largest financial institutions.
| "There's not a chance in hell of us going to law enforcement with
| a hacker incident," he says. "They can't be trusted to do anything
| about it, so it's up to us to protect ourselves."
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| Cipher's firm has taken self-protection to the extreme. "We have
| the right to self-help - and yes, it's vigilantism," he says. "We
| are drawing a line in the sand, and if any of these dweebs cross
| it, we are going to protect ourselves."
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| Cipher says his group has management approval to do "whatever it
| takes" to protect his firm's corporate network and its assets.
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| "We have actually gotten on a plane and visited the physical
| location where the attacks began. We've broken in, stolen the
| computers and left a note: 'See how it feels?' " On one occasion,
| he says: "We had to resort to baseball bats. That's what these
| punks will understand. Then word gets around, and we're left
| alone. That's all we want, to be left alone."
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| Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah@philodox.com>
| Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/>
| 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
| "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
| [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
| experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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