[107257] in Cypherpunks
Re: maginot line, er, Great Firewall, political spam
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jukka E Isosaari)
Thu Jan 7 17:06:16 1999
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:39:21 +0200 (EET)
From: Jukka E Isosaari <jei@zor.hut.fi>
To: Bloody Gorefest <wrath@eudoramail.com>
cc: cypherpunks@toad.com, ukcrypto@maillist.ox.ac.uk
In-Reply-To: <CMMMJJOHGDDKAAAA@shared1-mail.whowhere.com>
Reply-To: Jukka E Isosaari <jei@zor.hut.fi>
I hear:
..
Kevin Mitnick has been imprisoned without a trial for:
3 years, 10 monthes, 19 days, 14 hours.
http://www.kevinmitnick.com/
..
(+ http://jya.com/usa-rfa.htm )
So the Chinese aren't the only ones pissing on human rights.
Only, I heard the last two Chinese who hacked a bank were given
death sentences, and I think reading such sentences in China are
executed immediately... So I guess Mitnick should just be happy. :-)
In any case, I wonder, just how do the people in power justify the
Wassenaar Agreement and the US export controls in this light?
If they actually wanted or respected the human rights, they would be
showing cryptography into Iraq and China, enabling the people to safely
oppose the elite in power, instead of denying all privacy to them.
Only the naive believe that any government couldn't and wouldn't have
cryptography when it wants to, because of some primitive export controls.
The only part of people that the export controls in US, and the
Wassenaar Agreement in EU are effecting, are the ordinary citizens
in every nation.
I guess we can draw our conclusion: human rights just aren't
an issue in foreign politics, and Saddam is needed. And why?
I can think about $60 plus $12 Billion brand new reasons as to why.
( FYI I heard Clinton added a $12 Billion dollar bonus on the US
defence budget, to help counter future threats. )
++ J
-----
On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Bloody Gorefest wrote:
> Unfortunately, the commie government stranglehold
> over the public in China is almost total.
>
> Remember Tianannmen? Hundreds of students massacred
> simply because they dared to protest against the
> Chinese government's suppression of democracy and
> human rights. And we have the audacity to talk about
> Iraq?
>
> Remember the Chinese oppression of Christian
> worship in China till today? Try conducting a
> prayer service or mass in China and you could
> be in prison within the hour.
>
> The systematic torture, persecution and oppression
> of the Tibetan people, whose lands the Chinese
> forcibly occupied, simply puts Iraq and Cuba to
> shame. And now they want Taiwan to merge with
> mainland china and they are prepared to use force.
>
> This poor sod who is getting screwed by the Chinese
> government has no way out. I think he will land up
> in jail for another 20 to 30 years - that's what
> happens to dissidents there.
>
> After all this, Washington and London have the
> nerve to complain about human rights violations
> in Iraq ! Man, politicians are the scumdogs of
> the universe (I think that's (c) Gwar ).
>
>
> Anonymous wrote:
> ----------------
> >`Great Firewall' breached
> >
> > `Hacktivists' seek to ease Chinese government control
> >
> > BY MAGGIE FARLEY
> > Los Angeles Times
> >
>
> > It's a dangerous game of cat and mouse. Editors warn subscribers not to
> > forward the e-mails to their friends. Distribution of ``subversive'' or
> > ``divisive'' material can mean a life sentence in China. The creators of
>
>
> > The 30-year-old Shanghai software entrepreneur has been branded China's
> > first ``cyberdissident.'' He is charged with providing VIP Reference
> > with 30,000 e-mail addresses, including those of top officials. His Dec.
> > 4 trial was closed to the public -- even his wife was prevented from
> > attending. His lawyers argued that authorities couldn't stop the
> > message, so they arrested the messenger.
> >
> > Lin is awaiting a verdict.
>
>
> He's likely pavement, or soap.
>
> Political spam (not to be confused with political pork) anyone?
>
> Or is spam a greater evil?
>
> Besotted minds want to know.
>
>
>
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