[194220] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Tue Mar 28 15:53:17 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: Tim Pozar <pozar@lns.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 19:53:05 +0000
In-Reply-To: <3e907601-9227-6df7-4e78-e6c1426346b8@lns.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
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Quoting an Alexa spokesperson:
"We don't think we did anything wrong," Alexa Chief Executive Brewster Kahl=
e said. "But instead of going all the way through the legal process, we tho=
ught this was the easiest way to go on with our business."
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That capsulized the problem perfectly: providers don't get that they're doi=
ng anything wrong when they sell user's personal usage data.=20
-mel via cell
> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Tim Pozar <pozar@lns.com> wrote:
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> Alexa ran into this problem...
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> https://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-unit-settles-privacy-lawsuit/
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> Tim
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>> On 3/28/17 11:45 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:
>> No ISPs have any right to market our customers browsing history, and cur=
rently that practice is illegal unless the customer opts in. In my opinion,=
only a fool wants to relieve ISPs of this restriction.
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>> The claim oft presented by people favoring this customer abuse is that t=
he sold data is anonymous. But it's been well-established that very simple =
data aggregation techniques can develop signatures that reveal the identity=
of people in anonymized data.
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>> -mel beckman
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>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Rod Beck <rod.beck@unitedcablecompany.com=
> wrote:
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>>> Last time I checked most European countries have stronger privacy prote=
ctions than the US. Are they also idiots? Mr. Glass, would you care to resp=
ond?
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>>> Regards,
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>>> Roderick.
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>>> ________________________________
>>> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brett Glass <nanog@b=
rettglass.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:13 AM
>>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>>> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engi=
neers opposed to FCC privacy repeal
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>>> All:
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>>> It's worth noting that most of EFF's list consists of individuals
>>> and/or politically connected organizations, not actual ISPs. This
>>> is for good reason. EFF was founded with the intention of creating
>>> a civil rights organization but has morphed into a captive
>>> corporate lobbying shop for Google, to which several of its board
>>> members have close financial ties. EFF opposes the interests of
>>> hard working ISPs and routinely denigrates them and attempts to
>>> foster promotes hatred of them. It also promotes and lobbies for
>>> regulations which advantage Google and disadvantage ISPs --
>>> including the so-called "broadband privacy" regulations, which
>>> heavily burden ISPs while exempting Google from all oversight.
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>>> No knowledgeable network professional or ISP would support the
>>> current FCC rules. Both they AND the FCC's illegal Title II
>>> classification of ISPs must be rolled back, restoring the FTC's
>>> ability to apply uniform and apolitical privacy standards to all of
>>> the players in the Internet ecosystem. The first step is to support
>>> S.J. Res 34/H.J. Res 86, the Congressional resolution which would
>>> revoke the current FCC regulations that were written and paid for
>>> by Google and its lobbyists. So, DO contact your legislators...
>>> but do so in support of the resolutions that will repeal the
>>> regulations. It is vital to the future of the Internet.
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>>> --Brett Glass, Owner and Founder, LARIAT.NET
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>>> At 05:05 PM 3/26/2017, Peter Eckersley wrote:
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>>>> Dear network operators,
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>>>> I'm sure this is a controversial topic in the NANOG community, but EFF=
and a
>>>> number of ISPs and networking companies are writing to Congress opposi=
ng the
>>>> repeal of the FCC's broadband privacy rules, which require explicit op=
t-in
>>>> consent before ISPs use or sell sensitive, non-anonymized data (includ=
ing
>>>> non-anonymized locations and browsing histories).
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>>>> If you or your employer would like to sign on to such a letter, please=
reply
>>>> off-list by midday Monday with your name, and a one-sentence descripti=
on of
>>>> your affiliation and/or major career accomplishments.
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