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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Maltz about "The Klingon Art of War"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Nov 17 08:05:49 2014
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:05:11 +0000
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Maybe you have overseen one important syllable, thisi not about spacing: Th=
e book is using the word {vo'ruv'etlh}, which looks like a bad translation =
for "sword OF justice", mistaking the suffix {-vo'} as "of, from". A litera=
l correct translation for "sword of justice" is {ruv 'etlh}.
Oh yeah, I got that. I just figured it was worth discussing why =ABruv'etlh=
=BB made the most sense to him, rather than =ABruv 'etlh=BB.
Since the word is printed in the AOW (KAW? TKAW?), Okrand probably avoided =
to say that it's a mistake because that might not be fair for the author.
Yeah, I think Marc likes to be forgiving with these things, out of respect =
for other people's work. However, he might not have wanted to validate it e=
xplicitly, since this is a pretty obvious mistake based on English grammar.
(Though if one did wish to retcon it, one could say that *vo'ruv* is an old=
form of the word =ABruv=BB, and that it has nothing to do with the suffix =
-vo'.)
17 nov 2014 kl. 12:40 skrev Lieven <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>=
>:
ja' matlh:
Maltz said ruv=92etlh for sword of justice made the most sense to him,
but he thought vo=92ruv =92etlh might be an older term for the sword.
Since the word is printed in the AOW (KAW? TKAW?), Okrand probably avoided =
to say that it's a mistake because that might not be fair for the author.
--
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background=
-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Maybe you have overseen one important syll=
able, thisi not about spacing: The book is using the word {vo'ruv'etlh}, wh=
ich looks like a bad translation for "sword
OF justice", mistaking the suffix {-vo'} as "of, from". A l=
iteral correct translation for "sword of justice" is {ruv 'etlh}.=
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Oh yeah, I got that. I just figured it was worth discussing why =ABruv'etlh=
=BB made the most sense to him, rather than =ABruv 'etlh=BB.<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"background=
-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Since the word is printed in the AOW (KAW?=
TKAW?), Okrand probably avoided to say that it's a mistake because that mi=
ght not be fair for the author.</span></font></blockquote>
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<div>Yeah, I think Marc likes to be forgiving with these things, out of res=
pect for other people's work. However, he might not have wanted to validate=
it explicitly, since this is a pretty obvious mistake based on English gra=
mmar.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(Though if one did wish to retcon it, one could say that *vo'ruv* is a=
n old form of the word =ABruv=BB, and that it has nothing to do with the su=
ffix -vo'.)</div>
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17 nov 2014 kl. 12:40 skrev Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de">l=
evinius@gmx.de</a>>:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>ja' matlh:</span><br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>Maltz said ruv=92etlh for sword of justice =
made the most sense to him,</span><br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><span>but he thought vo=92ruv =92etlh might be an=
older term for the sword.</span><br>
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</blockquote>
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</span><span>Since the word is printed in the AOW (KAW? TKAW?), Okrand prob=
ably avoided to say that it's a mistake because that might not be fair for =
the author.</span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span></span><br>
<span>-- </span><br>
<span>Lieven L. Litaer</span><br>
<span>aka Quvar valer 'utlh</span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher">http://www.faceboo=
k.com/Klingonteacher</a></span><br>
<span><a href=3D"http://wiki.qepHom.de">http://wiki.qepHom.de</a></span><br=
>
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