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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Jul 31 16:02:59 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:02:55 -0400
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:26 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> Initially the law'/law' construction confused me, but finally I remembered
> that instead of the classic law'/puS, there are alternate versions such as
> the law'/law'. So, in this case the meaning obviously is "klingons are as
> varied as the humans". The choice of the double {law'} instead of a double
> {puS} obviously is made to express that both klingons and humans are
> "varied to a great degree". Instead of "varied to a small degree", which
> would be the case if we had a double {puS}.
>
A double {puS} construction doesn't mean "to a small degree", it means the
comparison has negative connotations. {tlhInganpu' Sar puS Humanpu' Sar
puS} would mean "Klingons are as varied as humans (and that's a bad
thing)." Using double {law'} is a more value-neutral comparison.
This messed me up real good until I finally managed to figure it out. It
> must mean "as for one small society someone is usual, as for another small
> society another is usual". Although I still can't understand why you used
> {nughHom} instead of {nugh}.
>
I think it was intended to mean something like a subculture, a group which
shares many of the cultural precepts of a larger {nugh} but has its own
distinct differences from it.
> Isn't here the {law'} on the {latlhpu'} somewhat redundant ? Doesn't the
> {-pu'} inherently mean "many" ? So, why say {latlhpu' law'} instead of just
> {latlhpu'} ?
>
{-pu'} means plural, not many. Two or three is plural, but not many.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra">On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:2=
6 PM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px=
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span class=3D"gmail-"><div dir=3D"auto"></div=
></span><div dir=3D"auto">Initially the law'/law' construction conf=
used me, but finally I remembered that instead of the classic law'/puS,=
there are alternate versions such as the law'/law'. So, in this ca=
se the meaning obviously is "klingons are as varied as the humans"=
;. The choice of the double {law'} instead of a double {puS} obviously =
is made to express that both klingons and humans are "varied to a grea=
t degree". Instead of "varied to a small degree", which woul=
d be the case if we had a double {puS}.</div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>A double {puS} construction doesn't mean "to a smal=
l degree", it means the comparison has negative connotations. {tlhInga=
npu' Sar puS Humanpu' Sar puS} would mean "Klingons are as var=
ied as humans (and that's a bad thing)." Using double {law'} i=
s a more value-neutral comparison.<br><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><span class=3D"g=
mail-"><div dir=3D"auto"></div></span><div dir=3D"auto">This messed me up r=
eal good until I finally managed to figure it out. It must mean "as fo=
r one small society someone is usual, as for another small society another =
is usual". Although I still can't understand why you used {nughHom=
} instead of {nugh}.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I th=
ink it was intended to mean something like a subculture, a group which shar=
es many of the cultural precepts of a larger {nugh} but has its own distinc=
t differences from it.<br></div><div>=C2=A0 <br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"auto"></div><span class=3D"gmail-"></span><div dir=3D"auto">Isn't h=
ere the {law'} on the {latlhpu'} somewhat redundant ? Doesn't t=
he {-pu'} inherently mean "many" ? So, why say {latlhpu' =
law'} instead of just {latlhpu'} ?</div></div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">{-pu'} means plural, not many. =
Two or three is plural, but not many.</div></div><br></div></div>
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