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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Jul 31 12:25:53 2017
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Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:25:48 -0400
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On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died,
> and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies.
> Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them
> as such".
>
> As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize
> elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according
> to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells.
>
Maltz did say that Klingons didn't use sarcophagi anymore.
Also, I think it's important to remember that real cultures aren't totally
monolithic and homogeneous, even if that's how they like to present
themselves. In existing show canon, there are a number of variations on
Klingon funerary practices. There's the {Heghtay}, where you hold the eyes
open and scream. There's the {'aQvoH}, where you stand watch over the
corpse. A "Klingon mummification glyph" is referenced in Star Trek 4, so
clearly they did that at some point. And nobody held open Chancellor
Gorkon's eyes after his assassination. It's not a major contradiction, but
rather simply a sign that Klingons (much like, say, humans in Starfleet)
are more diverse than they seem (or want to seem) to outsiders. MO has
touched on this idea occasionally: acknowledging that an empire could have
room for another language like Klingonaase (see
http://klingonska.org/canon/1996-08-rt.txt), the opening to The Klingon Way
describing how seemingly-contradictory proverbs can still fit in the same
culture, and the whole section in KGT about the myth of Klingon conformity.
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on, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></=
span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">SKI: At a=
Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died,<br>
and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies.<br>
Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them<=
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as such".<br>
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As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize<br=
>
elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according<br>
to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells.<br></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>Maltz did say that Klingons didn't use sarcophagi anymor=
e.<br><br></div><div>Also, I think it's important to remember that real=
cultures aren't totally monolithic and homogeneous, even if that's=
how they like to present themselves. In existing show canon, there are a n=
umber of variations on Klingon funerary practices. There's the {Heghtay=
}, where you hold the eyes open and scream. There's the {'aQvoH}, w=
here you stand watch over the corpse. A "Klingon mummification glyph&q=
uot; is referenced in Star Trek 4, so clearly they did that at some point. =
And nobody held open Chancellor Gorkon's eyes after his assassination. =
It's not a major contradiction, but rather simply a sign that Klingons =
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ant to seem) to outsiders. MO has touched on this idea occasionally: acknow=
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