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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] SuStel please tell me, I need to know..
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Mon Jul 31 09:18:37 2017
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:18:32 +0300
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And thinking this further, I could understand the {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol} as
a {meH}ed noun, as such:
QongmeH Duj = sleeper ship or ship of sleeping
ghojmeH taj = learning knife or knife of learning
So..
jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol = spoken klingon or klingon of speaking.
However the presence of {-qu'} somehow confuses me. If the {jatlhqu'meH
tlhIngan Hol} is indeed a {meH}ed noun, then how does the presence of {-qu'}
alter the meaning ?
qunnoq
On 31 Jul 2017 3:48 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> And if it is a {meH}ed noun, then what does it mean exactly ? "spoken
> klingon" ?
>
> qunnoq
>
> On 31 Jul 2017 3:38 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> SuStel:
>> > jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS
>>
>> SuStel let me ask you.. At this sentence, the {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol}
>> is a {meH}ed noun, something like {QongmeH Duj} ?
>>
>> Or does it mean "in order that klingon speaks a lot..", which sounds
>> somewhat strange ?
>>
>> Or is it rather "in order that he/they speaks/speak a lot, klingon is
>> more complete than quenya" ?
>>
>> qunnoq
>>
>> On 31 Jul 2017 4:35 am, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/30/2017 3:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>>>
>>> SuStel:
>>> > choH Hol 'e' HaDmeH, lutmey ghItlhmey je HaD.
>>>
>>> Does this mean "language changes; in order to study that, stories and
>>> manuscripts he studied" ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. Stated colloquially, it says *To study languages changing, he
>>> studies stories and manuscripts.*
>>>
>>> --
>>> SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">And thinking this further, I could understand the {<span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">jatlhqu'meH tlhInga=
n Hol}</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0as a {meH}ed noun=
, as such:</span><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><=
br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Qo=
ngmeH Duj =3D sleeper ship or ship of sleeping</span></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">ghojmeH taj =3D learning knife or =
knife of learning</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:=
sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif">So..</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sa=
ns-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:san=
s-serif">jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol =3D spoken klingon or klingon of spea=
king.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=
<br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">H=
owever the presence of {-qu'} somehow confuses me. If the {jatlhqu'=
meH tlhIngan Hol} is indeed a {meH}ed noun, then how does the presence of</=
span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0{-qu'} alter the mean=
ing ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=
<br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">q=
unnoq</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote">On 31 Jul 2017 3:48 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribu=
tion"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">And if it is a {meH}=
ed noun, then what does it mean exactly ? "spoken klingon" ?<div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">qunnoq</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 Jul 2017 3:38 pm, "may=
qel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank=
">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">SuStel:<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan=
Hol naQ law' Quenya naQ puS</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">SuStel let me ask you.. At th=
is sentence, the {jatlhqu'meH tlhIngan Hol} is a {meH}ed noun, somethin=
g like {QongmeH Duj} ?</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sa=
ns-serif">Or does it mean "in order that klingon speaks a lot..",=
which sounds somewhat strange ?</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=
=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Or is it rather "in order that he/they spe=
aks/speak a lot, klingon is more complete than quenya" ?</span></div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">qunnoq</span></div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 31 Jul 20=
17 4:35 am, "SuStel" <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attributio=
n"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=3D"m_-622494853691937235m_-2001370695435703726m_842053363422=
6842557moz-cite-prefix">On 7/30/2017 3:30 PM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">SuStel:
<div dir=3D"auto">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13.696px">choH Hol 'e'
HaDmeH, lutmey ghItlhmey je HaD.</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.=
696px"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">Does this
mean "language changes; in order to study that, stories and
manuscripts he studied" ?</span><span style=3D"font-family:s=
ans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br>
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<p>Yes. Stated colloquially, it says <i>To study languages
changing, he studies stories and manuscripts.</i><br>
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