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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch New words and some tidbits
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Sat Jul 29 17:57:41 2017
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From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:57:38 -0400
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Another interesting thing from the words list: the sentence {vogh tIghla'
tu'lu'} seems to confirm that {vogh} is in the same category of {-Daq}-less
place nouns like {Dat}, {naDev}, and {pa'}.
On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> Am 29.07.2017 um 06:38 schrieb Tad Stauffer:> {-Qo'} - The way I'm
> interpreting this, the new/clarified info is that > {-Qo'} and {-be'} can
> both be used on an imperative at the same time:[...]
>
>> If this has been discussed at the qep'a', could someone confirm that my
>> middle example {yISuvbe'Qo'} is correct?
>>
>
> I'm not at the qep'a', but I had forwarded this question to Okrand before
> the qep'a', but he asked to reveal the answer not before the qep'a'. As
> this topic seems unleashed now, I think it's okay to forward his message.
>
> The question actually arose from a phrase like {HIleghbe'moH} which is a
> command including the suffix {-be'}. Some argued that this is not allowed,
> that's why the clarification was made.
>
> Summary:
> TKD mentions that "The suffix -be' cannot be used with imperative verbs"
> which is a bit misleading. It does not mean that -be' cannot be used at all
> within imperatives, it just means that it is not used to say "don't". So
> the phrase {yIleghbe'moH} "Cause him to not see" follows the rules properly.
>
> http://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz_170720.html
>
> --
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Rover
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Another interesting thing from the words list: the sentenc=
e {vogh tIghla' tu'lu'} seems to confirm that {vogh} is in the =
same category of {-Daq}-less place nouns like {Dat}, {naDev}, and {pa'}=
.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat=
, Jul 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:l=
evinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 29.07.2017 um 06:38 schrieb Tad Stauffer:=
> {-Qo'} - The way I'm interpreting this, the new/clarified info=
is that > {-Qo'} and {-be'} can both be used on an imperative a=
t the same time:[...]<span class=3D""><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If this has been discussed at the qep'a', could someone confirm tha=
t my middle example {yISuvbe'Qo'} is correct?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I'm not at the qep'a', but I had forwarded this question to Okr=
and before the qep'a', but he asked to reveal the answer not before=
the qep'a'. As this topic seems unleashed now, I think it's ok=
ay to forward his message.<br>
<br>
The question actually arose from a phrase like {HIleghbe'moH} which is =
a command including the suffix {-be'}. Some argued that this is not all=
owed, that's why the clarification was made.<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
TKD mentions that "The suffix -be' cannot be used with imperative =
verbs" which is a bit misleading. It does not mean that -be' canno=
t be used at all within imperatives, it just means that it is not used to s=
ay "don't". So the phrase {yIleghbe'moH} "Cause him =
to not see" follows the rules properly.<br>
<br>
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referrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.qephom.de/e/message<wbr>_from_maltz_=
170720.html</a><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
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