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This is "Ask Dr. Internet" for December, 1996
Responding to questions we received from November 15 to December 15.
Initial Comments:
I would like to have put off some of these until after the Holidays,
some of them are not going to increase your Holiday Spirit, unless
you are the kind of person who believes freedom and education make
nice Holiday gift giving.
You might want to hold off on reading some of these until 1997. . .
however, it IS Exam Week for millions of students around the world,
and from what I hear, many thousands of them are not getting their
files off the Internet for their final papers because administrators
have reduced Internet access to only those sites on their "approved
lists". . .not just eliminating sites on their "disapproved lists."
***
We just got a card from WIRED that reads:
"When the Digital Revolution rolls over you,
you're either part of the steamroller
or you're part of the road."
Gee. . .I wonder where they got that from?
***
***Here are the questions from the past month***
Q1.
Send Us More Browser Hints
Q2.
Sending URLs from Netscape
Q3.
More On Search Engines
Q4.
The "V Chip" Is Coming To A Browser Near You
Limited Browser Access Is A Growing Phenomenon
I've Got The End Of The Semester V-Chip Blues
Q5.
What About Support Lines Requesting Credit Card Numbers Before
They Will Give You The Support You Already Have Paid For?
Q6.
Shopping In Silicon Valley
Q7.
More on the book "Hackers"
Q8.
Would You Do Something on the Cyberpunk Fakebook?
Q9.
What Have You Heard About This New Treaty That Will Make It Illegal To
Compile And Publish Statistics, And Apparently Many Other Facts.
WIPO = World Intellectual Property Organization
Q10.
Book Review and Interview
"Holy Fire" by Bruce Sterling
***Answers***
Q1.
More Browser Hints
A1.
Hotlist, bookmarks, etc.
Whether you are using those listed below, or some other browser,
the best thing most of you can do to make they work more easily
is to use the "hotlist" or "bookmark" or similar functions. . .
these are usually in a pulldown menu. Be sure to find the file
on your disk that contains these, and put a command in autoexec
or whatever that will back this up religiously. . .lately a lot
people have been emailing us that these lists have disappeared.
Back them up often, and ALWAYS before you install new browsers.
Try lots of browsers, but always back up your old ones first.
Be sure to link your browsers to your picture, movie & sound
programs if you want to see these things. Remember to set a
"No Images" preference if things are going to slowly for you.
Mosaic Netscape Navigator
MicroSoft Internet Explorer
Lynx
Slipknot
***
Q2.
Sending URLs from Netscape
I haven't figured out an easy way to grab urls from netscape
and mail them to people or I would have given it to you from there.
A2
Simply "sweep" the URL (so that it is highlighted), hit Ctrl-Insert,
then open a mail message and hit Shift-Insert...
If you want to send the URL of a location you are now in:
Go to Options on the menubar and select Show Location. The url will
show up and is easily copied.
Also, some users report that any mail sent from the Netscape
interface will contain the URL of the site you are using.
Q3.
More On Search Engines
A3.
We try not to get involved with particular brands or models of hardware
or software, but tend toward providing general Internet information.
However, you should be able to find something on most subjects by searches.
Here are some places you could try doing searches from,
http://www.yahoo.com and http://www.altavista.com
in addition to Yahoo and Altavista [and Webcrawler AOL]
http://www.inference.com/
http://www.excite.com
http://www.intersurf.com/~powerdan/duz/search/boolean.html
http://issfw.palomar.edu/Library/TGSEARCH.HTM
http://www.search.com
http://www.hotbot.com
http://www.webcrawler.com/
http://www.switchboard.com
To search for people:
http://206.129.166.101/people.html
http://four11.com http://www.abii.com
http://www.idot.aol.com/search/
Q4. The "V Chip" Is Coming To A Browser Near You
Limited Browser Access Is A Growing Phenomenon
I've Got The End Of The Semester V-Chip Blues
A4.
The gnashing of teeth and rending of garments this time of year
is somewhat of a normal occasion as millions of students in the
universities, colleges, junior colleges, high schools and grade
schools [and middle schools or junior high schools, or whatever
they are calling them these days, mine just wasted thousands of
dollars putting up new signs on a old building proclaiming that
it is now a middle school]. . . .
However. . .this year the gnashed teeth and rent garments could
be blamed more on the administrivia coming down from those whom
live "on high" in the ever-clouded towers of ivory scholarship.
[Didn't they outlaw ivory a decade ago?]
At any rate. . .student projects which were to include portions
of the latest information gathered from the trillions of words,
and millions of pictures and sounds available at the click of a
button via the various search engines listed above. . .projects
that would normally be turned in this week for that significant
portion of the class grade. . .are not being turned in with the
rich platters of carefully selection information from the surfs
of oceans of information around the world.
Why not. . . ?
Because recently a new fad has hit the realms of administrivia,
the limiting of browser access to only allow students to search
for information in approved virtual locations. . . .
If the site you were getting your information at yesterday is a
site that the administrators did not put on the approved lists,
after school last night, then you can no longer get information
from that site into your carefully prepared semester project.
It is that simple.
Of course, certain more resourceful students will find a way to
get to another browser in another location and somehow get that
information into their projects, but it will involve moving the
physical body and sometimes the physical disks, to a variety of
physical sites until one is found that is "not secured" by this
new wave of administrivia.
Thus, the administrators will disclose to the PTA and the media,
that there is a "New Wave Of Hackers" invading our resources to
gain forbidden knowledge from the forest of the Internet, which
forest they cannot see for the trees. All they can see is that
perhaps 1% of 1% of the information on the Internet is some way
offensive to them, and thus they must close the blast-doors for
every one of those 9,999 other pieces of information that would
be suitable and viable for inclusion in schoolwork.
These "Hackers" will mostly be people who have no concept of an
electronic method of getting around these limitations, overnite
expressed in the Fascist Express Delivery Service, they are the
kids who did so much work on their project that they don't want
to see them go down the drains, dissolved in the Drano of Reich
Number Four, as the "Information Age" becomes an age of limited
information, just as the "Land Age" became an age of ownerships
of land by cartels.
These "Hackers" will just be kids who went to another building,
living under a different administration administriva, to get at
homework they have been working on all of this school year, and
have a right to complete before new rules shut things off in an
electronic mid-course correction.
They won't be kids who broke IN to limited access computers, it
will, instead, be kids who broke OUT of limited access systems'
of blinders to keep them from learning anything other than what
the school board has deemed "appropriate."
This is not education, it is dogmatism, pedagogery to the max.
It is one thing to have to limit what is in your library by an
expense account, it is another thing to limit what is in these
libraries due to your own prejudice. Whatever happened to the
famous quote: "I may disagree with what you say, but I should
defend to the death your right to say it!". . . ? Voltaire*
I agree that this should only be excepted in the judicial case
law that makes it illegal to shout "FIRE!" in crowded theaters
or to publish how to make a briefcase Atomic Bomb. . .however,
with the greater than V-Chip technology we have to block those
terrible images and words that are as destructive as an Atomic
Bomb. . .why then do people insist on going to the source, for
protection of their children?
As I recall, hopefully correctly, it was in a conversation two
excellent speakers had, William F. Buckley Jr. with John Perry
Barlow, where I believe Mr. Buckley, noted arch-conservative I
might add, said something such as:
I don't mind you looking under your child's mattress searching
for Playboy Magazine, I mind you looking for Playboy Magazines
under MY child's mattress.
This pretty much sums up the concept of limiting access. This
practice of trying to eliminate ALL access for everyone to ALL
information YOU find reprehensible is reprehensible itself.
You take care of your family and I will take care of mine, you
are NOT the one responsible for bringing up MY family.
Q5.
What About Support Lines Requesting Credit Card Numbers Before
They Will Give You The Support You Already Have Paid For?
A5
This is becoming a popular practice, especially amongst the
more snooty hardware and software companies. They tell you
that they won't charge you for the call if your question is
within the boundaries of what they define as proper support
questions. . .ask them anything else and POW! You get this
bill for huge bucks for consulting. We would suggest a try
it out campaign before you buy any hardware or software you
think you might ever need support with. Find a person whom
you can call for support as, and then just call the number.
If they ask for your credit card number, "Just Say No," and
hang up, both on them, and their company.
On the other hand, some companies are using an approach for
the same result by not giving any support whatsoever. . .an
enormous number of Internet Service Providers [ISP's] would
simply prefer not to deal with support at all, other than a
brief email message once in a while to all subscribers, for
excusing some particular bug or problem they finally admit,
but only after it has been taken care of. It is amazing in
the case of "Ask Dr. Internet" how many of the providers on
an enormous scale have our Dr. Internet service listed as a
primary support feature of their huge corporations, when it
never occurs to them to send us a dime or give us access to
their services so we can better answer the questions.
Q6.
Shopping In Silicon Valley
A6.
We went shopping in Silicon Valley a few weeks ago and this
is definitely something you want to include on the schedule
if you make a trip out there for any reason.
We went to three of the four Fry's, to Quality Weird Stuff,
and to an even weirder place called Sharon, right down that
same street as one of the Fry's, Sunnyvale, as I recall.
Anyway, we bought 32M RAM that is now in my xx experimental
netsurfing machine right over the counter at Fry's for $101
and 32 cents. . .they don't really like mail order, but one
of the four will do it if you pester them.
They also had nearly everything else you could want to make
any possible kind of computer and their prices, while not a
certain lock for the Super Bowl of the lowest anywhere, are
usually right in the playoffs. They had 6x CDROM write and
8x read of great names brands, for around $500 and all sort
of other things, always at reasonable prices or less.
We can't guarantee what they will have at any give time, or
their prices, but if you go with us, and you don't like em,
we will at least buy you lunch at their very cute eateries.
One thing they WERE out of, was 7 drive SCSI cables, clones
of myself had come in and bought EVERY one of them, earlier
that same day. Perhaps it was the "Alternate Dr. Internet"
wherever he is lurking these days.
[I really loved the Dr. Internet spoofs we got during a few
of the first years we were doing this, if any of you know a
person who did one, and can get permission, we would love!!
to post them for you. . .if we ever lighten up on copyright
then we might do it anyway.]
By buying a Pentium 60/66 chip at Comsol, we CAN put you in
touch with THEM, having lunch with them today, and Sharon's
motherboard, we managed to upgrade our experimental thingy,
from a 486/66 with 8M, to a 586/66 with 32M for $166 or so.
You can reach Comsol, try to get Matt, if he's there, phone
is 217-355-2296, and email sales@comsol.net our local place
to get goodies.
We also bought a whole box of the internal to external SCSI
cables at Weird Stuff, for only $30. . .$1 each. . .and the
obligatory "chip jewelry" 256k SIMMS were so cheap I do not
really remember the price. Try www.weirdstuff.com, ask for
Jason?
Q7.
More on the book "Hackers"
A7.
Project Gutenberg has posted the first two Hackers chapters
and part of the introduction. If you have questions to the
author, Steven Levy, just send them to us or Gutenberg.
Q8.
Would You Do Something on the Cyberpunk Fakebook?
Q8
We also hope to be posting a portion of Cyberpunk Fakebook,
and interviewing one of the authors, St. Jude Milhon.
Q9.
What Have You Heard About This New Treaty That Will Make It Illegal To
Compile And Publish Statistics, And Apparently Many Other Facts.
WIPO = World Intellectual Property Organization
A8.
What is happening is that the mega-multinational-corporations are
pressing for what is going to become a permanent copyright now that
we are recognizably into the "Information Age" and they feel that
The Distance Between The Information Rich and the Information Poor
Is Not Great Enough.
They will TELL you that their only motivation is greed, for more
money from work they did not do, and that was done well before any
of the them were even born, but the truth is that 99% of all works
that would be covered by these proposals is OUT OF PRINT and in all
likelihood will STAY OUT OF PRINT. Only the most profitable 1% of works
are going to stay in print, and the authors and their descendants and
THEIR descendants have already made millions upon millions from them.
Every time a new way to copy information appears, new restrictions
appear to limit copying. . .the rich have always made copies. . .
before Johann Gutenberg they hired people a year at a time to copy
a single book, the price of which was equal to the cost of average
family farms, after Gutenberg they invented copyright because they
felt they had lost their ability to control information flow. The
copyright laws were doubled and redoubled again as steam presses &
electric presses once more made it too easy for books to reach the
average person, and the Xerox Age was responded to with extensions
that once again reduced the information in the Public Domain to an
ever more lowly less than 1% of what the original copyright should
have left us. The proposed new laws would leave us with less than
1% of 1% of what the original copyrights left us.
Here are some words by James Love, noted international expert on a
wide range of copyright laws:
I have cut and pasted these from several of his messages,
how to get more is included below.
***
The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is meeting from
December 2 to 20 on three treaties that would greatly restrict the public's
[Treaties are legally empowered to overrule the U. S. Constitution, mh]
rights to use information. The following is the announcement for a press
briefing I gave on the treaties at the United Nations, in Geneva,
Thursday, December 5, 1996. IMHO, the briefing went well. jamie
James Love, Director, Consumer Project on Technology
Center for Study of Responsive Law, Washington, DC
phone 01.202.387.8030 email love@tap.org
Intellectual Property is the "capital stock" of the next century,
and the rules are important -- too important to decide in a hastily
convened conference such as this WIPO meeting. The WIPO delegates
are being asked to ratify proposals for every country, which [proposals]
have never been tried in any country.
The three proposals being considered at the WIPO meetings would severely
restrict the public's traditional rights to use information. In countless
areas of controversy, they resolve thorny questions about user rights
against the users, and in favor of the new supercharged "right-owners."
The treaties are so poorly conceived as to raise questions about the
competence of the drafters. People are alarmed that the drafters do not
understand computers or the Internet. No one who used and understood the
Internet would propose strict rules making RAM and temporary cache copies
of documents a presumed infringement of copyright. No one who understands
the information industry would propose the sweeping new property rights on
facts and other public domain information (So broad that daily newspapers
would have to obtain a license to report the box scores from sporting
events). No one who considers privacy important would have proposed
strict liability for Internet Service Providers (which would predictably
lead to very intrusive surveillance of Internet transmissions). The early
"anti-circumvention" provisions of the treaty were so extreme that they
would have made general purpose personal computers illegal. Errors of
these magnitude reflect a lack of understanding about the very technology
the WIPO delegates are being asked to regulate.
The Conference organizers are deliberately misleading the public about
the status of copyright law on the Internet. Some press briefings
imply that without the treaties, rampant infringements of copyrighted
works would be legal. This is patently false. Courts routinely hear
cases about the application of current copyright laws on the Internet.
New issues are raised, and these issues are resolved through normal court
processes. These treaties are not designed to bring copyright to the
Internet. They are designed to change copyright law, and to create very
restrictive rules for the use of information.
Reports on the Internet about the WIPO proceeding illustrate the
hypocrisy of the meeting. Faxed copies of news stories about the
conference from the New York Times, the Los Angles Times, the Financial
Times and other newspapers are widely distributed at the same WIPO meeting
where delegates seek to make similar "fair use" transmissions on the
Internet illegal. Last month I asked a U.S. State Department official,
who was standing at a xerox machine, making a copy of an article on the
Treaty, how long the State Department could function if it didn't
routinely engage in endless coping and faxing of copyrighted materials
from U.S. and foreign sources.
The U.S. Government, a major force pushing for the treaties, hasn't
moved the Internet copyright legislation out of a single Congressional
Committee yet, due to strong domestic opposition from a wide coalition of
data users and computer companies. The U.S. Congress has never held a
public hearing on the database proposal, and almost no one in the U.S.
government has a clue what it actually does. In Europe, no country has
yet found a way to implement the EU database directive, without causing a
meltdown in their domestic information industry.
Examples of groups opposing one or more of the WIPO Treaties
Sun Computers
3Com
STATS, Inc. (Sports Statistics)
The American Committee for Interoperable Systems (ACIS)
Home Recording Rights Coalition (Consumer Electronics)
Ad Hoc Copyright Coalition (Telecom and Computer)
The U.S. National Academy of Sciences
The U.S. National Academy of Engineering
The U.S. Institute of Medicine
American Association for the Advance of Science (AAAS
American Library Association
Digital Futures Coalition
National Writers Union (U.S.A.)
Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC)
Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility
Union for the Public Domain (UDC)
Consumer Project on Technology
Genealogists Against the WIPO Treaties (GAWT)
Unauthorized Copying
It isn't that the Internet has led to large scale unauthorized reproductions
of copyrighted materials -- that happens every day off the Internet.
It is simply that the Internet makes it extremely easy to detect
unauthorized reproduction of works. For examples, thousands of
persons make unauthorized copies of cartoons with xerox machines or for
overhead slides, to decorate offices or assist in presentations.
But when a few individuals post unauthorized copies of Far Side Cartoons
on their personal Web pages, the New York Times reports this in a
page one story as evidence that the Internet needs to be regulated.
It is only that the Internet makes such unauthorized uses very transparent -
and hence, easy to police. The daily examples of unauthorized reproductions
of copyrighted works (much of this appropriate and legal under current fair
use doctrine) OFF the Internet exceed that occurring ON the Internet by
staggering margins. What is important to police are inappropriate uses of
copyrighted materials, and the current copyright law provides ample tools
to accomplish this task.
***
You can get some of the legal mumbo jumbo about all this as below:
Property in Respect of Databases (WIPO)
Abstract: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/scout/report/archive/scout-961115.html#9
Site: http://www.loc.gov/copyright/wipo6.html
and from the Electronic Frontier Foundation at:
http://www.eff.org/pub/Intellectual_property/WIPO for the basics, or
http://www.public-domain.org/ for a large amount of background material.
A Short Quote From The EFF
***
The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) considering the
language of the draft treaties is not readily reachable by citizen advocacy.
However, should WIPO fail to heed the warnings and accept these shoddy
efforts at appeasing the database lobby at the expense of the rest of the
world, remember that Congress rejected these proposals once. As treaties
have to be ratified before they take effect, Congress can reject them
again. Please take a few moments to contact your legislators, and urge
them to reject both the WIPO Literary and Artistic Works Treaty and the
WIPO Treaty on Intellectual Property in Respect of Databases, should either
survive the Dec. WIPO conference and be presented to Congress for
ratification. Copyright may indeed need some updating, but ramrodding
ill-conceived and already-rejected proposals down the throat of the world
Q9.
is not the way to do it.
Q10.
Book Review and Interview
"Holy Fire" by Bruce Sterling
A10
In this section we asked him about the fact a
lot of male writers, including most cyberpunk
writers, have written their most recent novel
with a woman as the central character.
Mia/Maya, in Holy Fire, by Bruce Sterling
Chia Pet, in Idoru, by William Gibson
Nell, in Diamond Age, by Neal Stephenson
as well as two of major characters in
Mother Of Storms, by Barnes, and one of
our favorite non-cyberpunk writers, Tom
Robbins, in Half Asleep In Frog Pajamas,
with Gwendolyn.
We asked:
How about a comment that all the cyberpunks AND Tom Robbins
all have women as their central characters in their most recent books?
His reply was a great one. . .here it is:
There are any number of good reasons for this. Women are the majority of
the population, so the default position for a human being is femininity.
My most recent novel HOLY FIRE concerns extended life spans and longevity.
Demographically, women live longer than men. A woman was a natural
candidate to lead a book with this topic.
I can't speak for Tom Robbins, but generally speaking, female protagonists
can be very useful in science fiction. Science fiction tends to be
excessively gizmo-centered, it likes to fetishistically parade job-lots
of glossy machines without examining their social and cultural effects.
This annoying boy-toy luster has to be scrubbed away in order to make
science fiction speak honestly.
Cyberpunk writing tends to present very bizarre milieus. But it's not
enough to be merely weird -- SF can't produce a real frisson unless it's
both weird and *convincing.* Convincing worlds are necessarily worlds
with women in them -- worlds without women are closed subcultures such as
barracks, monasteries, or military academies.
The deployment of a female protagonist abets the long-time cyberpunk
goal of "carrying extrapolation into the fabric of daily life."
Female point of view makes it easier to present technology as it is
experienced, rather than technology as it is sold to us, or taught to us.
This goal exists in opposition to the wiring-diagram school of science
fiction, where the machinery always takes center-stage by divine right.
Books with women in them offer the chance of real-world characters,
maybe even some real-world plotting. Tech-centered SF often has a stale,
classroom feel to it, as if the author is entertaining us just to soften us
up for his real agenda -- a sudden pop quiz in orbital dynamics.
Male protagonists, especially technically literate and technically
competent male protagonists, carry a lot of unnecessary ideological baggage
in science fiction. If men come across a new machine in the course of
a traditional science fiction novel, genre custom rigidly requires them
to make loud efforts to visibly master the technology. Often they stop
the action dead to read aloud from the rulebook and perhaps demo some
neat hacks. This may be a great attitude for engineering students
(traditionally a core SF readership), but it's not a very real-world attitude.
Speaking as an author, I take a lot of technical pleasure in writing
from a cross-gender point of view. This has always been considered
something of a tour-de-force in the craft of fiction, so it's gratifying
when it's done convincingly.
I would never stereotype women by claiming that all women think in some
specifically female way. But it always amuses me to see that there are
science fiction writers who don't hesitate to write about the mental
experiences and emotional lives of purple twelve-legged spiders from
Arcturus, and yet it's utterly obvious that these same guys have never
sat down and had any kind of serious talk with a female human being.
It can be very mind-expanding to put aside one's hormonal and
libidinal preconceptions and really try to comprehend the mental life
of the other gender. It's hard work, but it has its rewards.
I recommend this practice highly -- especially to men. If it's
impossibly itchy, exciting and distracting to talk in real life to a
real live woman, try reading the autobiographies of some dead ones.
[From Bruce Sterling, December 16th, 1996]
***
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