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Perl-Users Digest Wed, 5 Aug 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 3363
Today's topics:
Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question stzhang@my-dejanews.com
Re: [Q] Namespace collisions (Andrew M. Langmead)
Re: Client side functions <maierc@chesco.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Mike Stok)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Paddy Spencer)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (I R A Aggie)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Greg Bacon)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (John Moreno)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <merlyn@stonehenge.com>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: File Upload with Perl (Darren Ferguson)
Re: hiding user input droby@copyright.com
Re: hiding user input (Chris Nandor)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
How to Overcome Module Name Changes (Tony Edwardson X7587)
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:13:24 GMT
From: stzhang@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question
Message-Id: <6q9lpl$m3p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Brian,
Please see the solution below.
Shengtong
In article <6q4d4n$t9e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
bfredett@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I have a form with several text fields. These fields are named
> editcol1,editcol2,editcol3 ... and so on.
>
> I want to check if these fields are blank, if they are not then the value of
> $new_data will equal the value of $form_data{'editcoln'} ... where n is the
> number 1,2,3...
>
> I am trying to set this up in a loop such as:
>
my $editcolnum;
> for($i=1,$i<=$total,$i++) { # $total is set earlier
> $new_data = $form_data{'editcol$i'};
$editcolnum = "editcol" . "$i";
$new_data = $form_data{$editcolnum};
> } /|\
> |
> |
> Most likely the trouble is ---| I can't get the $i to
> work inside the $form_data.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:00:39 GMT
From: aml@world.std.com (Andrew M. Langmead)
Subject: Re: [Q] Namespace collisions
Message-Id: <Ex7yx3.H6K@world.std.com>
Keywords: objects, scope
k y n n <kj0@mailcity.com> writes:
>In <Ex5Fpz.8yr@world.std.com> aml@world.std.com (Andrew M. Langmead) writes:
>Just to make sure I was following you, I removed the use foo
>statement, and tried a call to &foo::quux() in the method
>nother_method; the interpreted barfed, saying it couldn't find a
>definition for &foo::quux.
Oh, sorry. I guess I wasn't that clear. What I suggest you do is say:
use foo '!quux';
To require foo.pm but tell Exporter.pm _not_ to import the quux
subroutine. Or say:
use foo ();
To require foo.pm but not import any symbols. Then foo.pm is
compiled and run, but Exporter's import() does not trample over
frobozz.pm's quux. This way, all of the other exported subroutines
in foo.pm are available with the short, aliased names, and
foo::quux is available as its fully qualified name. You could also
then alias foo::quux by another name in frobozz.pm by saying:
*foo_quux = \&foo::quux;
(but probably with a shorter name so that you save more than one
character when typing)
When you remove the "use foo" entirely (instead of just preventing it
from importing foo::quux) Pelr never knows that you want it to compile
"foo.pm" so any of that code is never available to your program.
Also, this is a good argument for the suggestions in the Exporter
modules documentation not to export anything by default. (Putting
things in @EXPORT_OK rather then @EXPORT, so that the module user
needs to explicitly ask for the functions they need.)
What I also suggest is that you run your script with the -w flag.
--
Andrew Langmead
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:21:11 -0400
From: Charles Maier <maierc@chesco.com>
Subject: Re: Client side functions
Message-Id: <35C726E7.8AF266CF@chesco.com>
Finn Calabro wrote:
>
> I have a form that posts data to a cgi script, both running on a unix
> server. I need the cgi script to search for and find a program on the
> client's computer (it is on our intranet so everyone has the software,
> though it may be in a different location or a different drive), create a
> script, and run the said program with the script. I'm really just
> looking for a starting point on executing client side functions.
> Thanks.
I have done this sort of thing with a LAN and WAN environments.. but I
don't think you can do it reliably via the client's browser.... even if
you had it in Java (they could refuse the startup). The LAN/WAN gizmo is
simply a preinstalled program tied to the login script. The gizmo
program must 'know' when it has searched 'this' client.. as this type of
operation can be time consuming (client bothersome).
--
Chuck Maier
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http://www.cdmcon.com
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 13:25:13 GMT
From: mike@stok.co.uk (Mike Stok)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9mfp$9lc@news-central.tiac.net>
In article <35cc54bb.17382554@news.tornado.be>,
Bart Lateur <bart.mediamind@tornado.be> wrote:
>Not just that. You MUST understand basic English in order to be able to
>program a computer. All language keywords are in English. Most computer
>books are in English. Well, the interesting ones are.
APL used a set of "keywords" based on symbols.
Many people who program computers seem to have been thoroughly tainted
with the myth of "thought is computation" and accept language as mere
symbol manipulation (OK, human language may be more complex but it's
basically the same, goes the argument). On the whole computer languages
(and many constructed human languages) appeal to these symbol manipulators
'cos they're nice and regular and to a greater or lesser degree suggest a
right way of doing things. I would never claim that a computer language
need fulfill all of the roles a natural language will.
I like perl because the ways I choose *not* to write something may say as
much as the code I did write about the way I think about the problem at
hand. The symbol manipulator will see what's there, but someone with a
similar background to me (or someone who knows me) will also see what's
not there. In this way perl seems to step out of the normal realm of
expression of computer languages I have used.
>Now, if somebody else than the programmer wants to post in clpa, he
>should ask the programmer to write the accompaning note. ;-)
:-)
Mike
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 13:26:44 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9mik$4t9$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
In comp.lang.perl.misc, Jim Brewer <jimbo@soundimages.co.uk> writes:
:I knew that one day I'd get it sussed. TomC IS an anagram for God. All
:that is Good, Pious and Perfect is to behold within TomC. Please allow
:me to be trod upon by you. For the bottoms of your feet are all I am
:worthy of. Best of luck with the Universe. Very big job. Hope your big
:enough.
My Beloved Jim:
I see that you are experiencing some difficulty producing messages
phrased in well-formed English. I recommend that you immediately sign
yourself up for a remedial course in English As A Second Language, where
you may hope to learn this language you purport to speak. You might
also consider turning in your .UK posting address until then. :-)
I'm afraid that your genitives are showing in places where they oughtn't,
thus producing spelling errors of which any ten-year-old writer of English
should long ago have entirely disabused himself. Your peculiar choice
of alternate past participles shows dubious taste at best and ignorance
at worst. And your glaring omission of a serial comma would appear
to indicate a flagrant disregard for precision in writing, absolutely
critical in all matters technical.
While doubtless a source of personal embarrassment to you, these
orthographic transgressions serve well to drive home the point that
most people cannot post in proper English even if they try, and that we
therefore should not require that one do so. You are also a convenient
poster child for the point that a British passport is no more a guarantee
of competence in the language than is an American passport a guarantee
of incompetence.
Or are you advocating that the moderator reject all clumsily constructed
messages simply because they were written in malformed English?
That would seem a disservice to the community, who for the most part
can infer intent and meaning from even such uneducated and uninspired
messages as yours.
Love,
Tom
--
``The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach
their children to speak it.'' --G. B. Shaw
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:36:06 GMT
From: paddy.spencer@parallax.co.uk (Paddy Spencer)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <902324167.156446@red.parallax.co.uk>
Kello 5 Aug 1998 10:42:19 GMT, Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
kirjoittanut:
: [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
: In comp.lang.perl.misc,
: paddy.spencer@parallax.co.uk writes:
: :reject any post he can't get translated "as necessary". This also includes
: :postings in supremely bad English (eg in American ;-)
: Last straw, monkey boy.
Ook. (What? Isn't Simian one of your many languages, Tom? ;-)
: I'd be quite happy to go up against you in an English proficiency exam.
"Pencils at dawn!" How exciting!
: Shall we?
Only if we can have my wife (the one with the PhD in English) write the exam.
: I am a native speaker of English,
Not if you're American you're not - and I don't know if you are or not. As
they say, "On Usenet, noone knows you're a Yank." (Although it sometimes
becomes apparent; for instance usually all one has to do to unearth Americans
on a newsgroup is be critical of some facet of the United States and then
they're just _too_ keen to show themselves...)
The last time I looked speakers of English used prepositions: we'd say "Mr
Blair lied to the country again on Tuesday" rather than "President Clinton
played hide the salami again Tuesday." We abhorred constructs such as
"different than"; we also say "fewer" rather than "less" where appropriate
and refer to "pants" as the items of apparel that go _inside_ the trousers,
etc, etc.
Some of these are simply vocabulary issues (sidewalk/pavement, hood/bonnet
etc) but some of them are very real grammatical differences. American is
_not_ the same as English; I imagine it could be described as a dialect.
However, I'm not a linguist by profession and the precise point at which a
dialect becomes a language in its own right is not something I know, nor
something I'd claim to know.
: you know, and just because I don't have an obseqious Home Counties accent
: in no way alters this.
Neither (pronounced ny-ther not nee-ther) do I. Neither do the vast majority
of English speakers.
Two further points, Tom:
1) I put smileys in my posts because I have in the past suffered from
low-humour (note the second 'u') individuals taking what I say too literally.
You did not. I infer from that.
2) I _read_ the groups I post to; please don't send me any more "courtesy"
email copies of any followups.
And a third point for good luck:
3) I'm not flaming, I have no intention of turning clp.misc into alt.flame
and I'm not going to continue this thread unless I have something I feel is
worth saying.
--
Paddy Spencer
Parallax Solutions Ltd (http://www.parallax.co.uk/)
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 13:41:53 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9nf1$4t9$2@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc, bart.mediamind@tornado.be (Bart Lateur) writes:
:That goes for you as well, I assume?
Huh? Who tried to make me moderator? If nominated, I will not run.
If elected, I will not serve.
The point is that the current moderator's posturing vis-a-vis matters
nominally commercial is ludicrous in the extreme, considering his own
position. It is, moreover, destructive and capricious, interfering with
the proper dissemination of valuable technical information which Perl
programmers deserve.
One must ask the question of *why* he wants to be moderator. The answer
is obvious: it's clearly a publicity stunt aimed at advertising himself.
The job should be given to a more neutral and lesser-known party who
could do the job far better. On advice of his ``business coach'',
the current moderator already publicly announced that he had decided
to surrender the moderatorship. But he has now gone back on his word
since he's realized how important the limelight is to his pocketbook,
the reins of power to his ego. He has yet to justify this back-peddling
from the moral decision he already made.
--tom
--
``The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach
their children to speak it.'' --G. B. Shaw
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 13:45:32 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9nls$4t9$3@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
In comp.lang.perl.misc,
Jim Brewer <jimbo@soundimages.co.uk> writes:
:I thought I was referring to the lack of Perl books originating in a
:language other than English with a subsequent version being made
:available to the English speaking Perl community (whatever community
:that may be) in English. I only scan the shelves of my regular
:bookshop. It's quite possible I missed that particular edition. Damn.
Go to Germany. Books about Perl are published in languages
other than English. It is true that I have not seen these
translated back into English.
:What would your ego do without it's daily puffing?
What would you do with an English translation, anyway? :-)
Get a dictionary, boy. You're embarrassing yourself again.
--tom
--
``The English have no respect for their language, and will not teach
their children to speak it.'' --G. B. Shaw
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:01:58 -0500
From: fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <fl_aggie-0508981001580001@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu>
In article <u7m0nantn.fsf@jimbosntserver.soundimages.co.uk>, Jim Brewer
<jimbo@soundimages.co.uk> wrote:
+ I wonder what the weather's like this time of year for native speakers
+ of Swahili? Any takers?
I believe this is their rainy season.
James
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 14:09:06 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9p22$6ii$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
In comp.lang.perl.misc, paddy.spencer@parallax.co.uk writes:
:: I am a native speaker of English,
:Not if you're American you're not - and I don't know if you are or not.
What you say there I have heard before, and it is a terrible injustice,
nothing but a way of putting down anyone else whose language is English
but who doesn't happen to live in England. It's a totally ludicrous
proposition, as any linguist will quickly report. Next time you're in
a bookstore, I recommend you pick up Fowler's Modern English, which has
a word or two to say about this matter -- and many others.
Now, if you insist, I am perfectly pleased to scribe these notes in
non-English, mais j'ai peur che gli altri no me vayan a entender bien
wenn ich such words write. *THAT* was not English, but what I
customarily scrawl here most certainly is. Do you truly not see
the difference, or is this just more posturing?
So I shall continue to write in this, my native tongue, and I and a
quarter billion others would greatly appreciate it if you and yours
would be so kind as to stop propagating your provincial prevarications
that Americans neither speak nor write English. It's a divisive lie
with no basis in honest linguistics.
However, I am happy to encourage others to write as they best can
in whatever language they choose, and I shall try my very best to
understand them. I would hope that you might do the same.
--tom
--
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 14:23:20 GMT
From: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9pso$mk7$4@info.uah.edu>
In article <35C7A699.68E3@ibm.net>,
Pat Gunn <pgunn01@ibm.net> writes:
: This isn't to say that you can't have a new newsgroup with a
: different moderator created, or to say that you can't express
: displeasure to him...
You're mistaken in the first part. tale won't accept an RFD for the
removal of a moderator. An RFD for another .announce group wouldn't
be likely to fly either.
Greg
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:33:56 -0400
From: phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <1dda99k.5vl5pz5kftqN@roxboro0-006.dyn.interpath.net>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> wrote:
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
> [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
>
> In comp.lang.perl.misc, bart.mediamind@tornado.be (Bart Lateur) writes:
> :That goes for you as well, I assume?
>
> Huh? Who tried to make me moderator? If nominated, I will not run.
> If elected, I will not serve.
>
> The point is that the current moderator's posturing vis-a-vis matters
> nominally commercial is ludicrous in the extreme, considering his own
> position. It is, moreover, destructive and capricious, interfering with
> the proper dissemination of valuable technical information which Perl
> programmers deserve.
>
> One must ask the question of *why* he wants to be moderator. The answer
> is obvious: it's clearly a publicity stunt aimed at advertising himself.
> The job should be given to a more neutral and lesser-known party who
> could do the job far better. On advice of his ``business coach'',
> the current moderator already publicly announced that he had decided
> to surrender the moderatorship. But he has now gone back on his word
> since he's realized how important the limelight is to his pocketbook,
> the reins of power to his ego. He has yet to justify this back-peddling
> from the moral decision he already made.
Not to be fanning the flames or anything but this sounds more like a
private disagreement between the two of you which has washed over into
the newsgroups and is resulting in name calling.
IF this is even partly the case, I'd ask you to let the rest of the
people involved argue it out.
--
John Moreno - who has never sent anything to clp.announce and so may be
ignored.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:53:59 GMT
From: Randal Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <8chfzrfpj6.fsf@gadget.cscaper.com>
>>>>> "Jim" == Jim Brewer <jimbo@soundimages.co.uk> writes:
Jim> For Perl as well as technology in general, empirical evidence
Jim> indicates the very same conclusion: English is THE language of
Jim> technology, just as Randall pointed out. Yes, a tremendous body of
Jim> technology activity takes place in languages other than English, but
Jim> the fact remains, the working language of technology IS English.
It's interesting to see so many people argue my point for me.
The English thing was snuck in there just to solve the problem that
I've noted over three years. About once every six months, I recieve a
non-english posting. I can't read it, so I can't tell whether it's
on-charter or not. I write back (in English) to say "hey, CLPA gets
worldwide distribution -- could you rewrite that in English so more
people can read it?" and I either get a new English posting, or
nothing.
So, the statement is merely a codification of what I've been doing all
along. I've never had a complaint when something was rejected for not
being in English in 3 years. (Maybe they just didn't understand my
rejection. :)
It's more a courtesy than a rule. I see non-english posts in CLP.misc
occasionally, and generally, someone says "hey, CLP.misc is broad...
you'll get more response if it's english". I'm just raising the
stakes slightly in CLPA.
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 14:53:12 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <6q9rko$87o$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc, phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno) writes:
:Not to be fanning the flames or anything but this sounds more like a
:private disagreement between the two of you which has washed over into
:the newsgroups and is resulting in name calling.
As I said in private mail I just sent you, I'm still upset about the
contest, the conference, etc. Randal realized he had a conflict of
interest, announced he was quitting, and then reneged and sent us all
back to the same old shit. It would seem a self-contained matter,
and one easily resolved.
--tom
--
Your csh still thinks true is false. Write to your vendor today and tell
them that next year Configure ought to "rm /bin/csh" unless they fix their
blasted shell. :-) --Larry Wall in Configure from the perl distribution
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:27:54 GMT
From: Darren@introdesign.com (Darren Ferguson)
Subject: Re: File Upload with Perl
Message-Id: <35c85dbb.16447787@news.demon.co.uk>
On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:07:00 GMT, Brent Michalski <perlguy@inlink.com>
wrote:
>They do allow FTP, don't they.......
>
>Brent
:) yes.... I think i'm getting towards overcoming the problem.....
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:56:55 GMT
From: droby@copyright.com
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6q9kqn$l0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
In article <6q7566$1j5$1@rand.dimensional.com>,
Daniel Grisinger <dgris@rand.dimensional.com> wrote:
>
> I wrote a little bot named Mortimer last night that will monitor
> clpm and automatically repost any X-No-Archive messages without
> that header. Unless someone can provide a compelling reason
> not to, I am going to start Mortimer monitoring this group
> later today, and this will hopefully no longer be an issue.
>
IMHO, the signal-to-noise ratio is bad enough already without reposting all
Gary's posts, which appear to be pure noise.
Is the historical record of flamewars really that important?
Why doesn't everyone just get back to discussing Perl?
Though it might be amusing to see how long it takes him to write a little bot
to cancel all of Mortimer's reposts.
--
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:41:47 -0400
From: pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <pudge-0508980941480001@192.168.0.3>
In article <6q9kqn$l0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, droby@copyright.com wrote:
# In article <6q7566$1j5$1@rand.dimensional.com>,
# Daniel Grisinger <dgris@rand.dimensional.com> wrote:
# >
# > I wrote a little bot named Mortimer last night that will monitor
# > clpm and automatically repost any X-No-Archive messages without
# > that header. Unless someone can provide a compelling reason
# > not to, I am going to start Mortimer monitoring this group
# > later today, and this will hopefully no longer be an issue.
# >
#
# IMHO, the signal-to-noise ratio is bad enough already without reposting all
# Gary's posts, which appear to be pure noise.
As long as it stays to the already noisy threads, people can easily avoid them.
--
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:32:33 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35cc6cf1.126967760@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:41:47 -0400, in article
<pudge-0508980941480001@192.168.0.3>, pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor) wrote:
>In article <6q9kqn$l0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, droby@copyright.com wrote:
>
># In article <6q7566$1j5$1@rand.dimensional.com>,
># Daniel Grisinger <dgris@rand.dimensional.com> wrote:
># >
># > I wrote a little bot named Mortimer last night that will monitor
># > clpm and automatically repost any X-No-Archive messages without
># > that header. Unless someone can provide a compelling reason
># > not to, I am going to start Mortimer monitoring this group
># > later today, and this will hopefully no longer be an issue.
># >
>#
># IMHO, the signal-to-noise ratio is bad enough already without reposting all
># Gary's posts, which appear to be pure noise.
>
>As long as it stays to the already noisy threads, people can easily avoid them.
So of course you support it. Not a surprise at all.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:32:04 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35cb6cc5.126924005@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:56:55 GMT, in article
<6q9kqn$l0a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, droby@copyright.com wrote:
>In article <6q7566$1j5$1@rand.dimensional.com>,
> Daniel Grisinger <dgris@rand.dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a little bot named Mortimer last night that will monitor
>> clpm and automatically repost any X-No-Archive messages without
>> that header. Unless someone can provide a compelling reason
>> not to, I am going to start Mortimer monitoring this group
>> later today, and this will hopefully no longer be an issue.
>>
>
>IMHO, the signal-to-noise ratio is bad enough already without reposting all
>Gary's posts, which appear to be pure noise.
>
>Is the historical record of flamewars really that important?
>
>Why doesn't everyone just get back to discussing Perl?
>
>Though it might be amusing to see how long it takes him to write a little bot
>to cancel all of Mortimer's reposts.
That would be abuse. It's already been made clear that if he DOES do it,
he'll lose his account for abuse.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:29:50 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c96c1a.126752653@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:18:53 -0700, in article <35c80626.0@calwebnnrp>, "Scott
Willsey" <hangtown_nospam@thelostweb.com> wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote in message
>35c5db8a.17567593@nntpd.databasix.com...
>
>>
>>I do not consider netcom and comp groups to be the same thing. Nor alt
>groups
>>and comp groups. Comp groups are quite a different animal. Note that even
>the
>>two "you know who's" don't come treading into comp groups.
>>
>
>It's not the same thing being a jerk when I want to, where I want to, but
>when someone ELSE does it, WELL!!
>
>Give it up, Gary. I agree with you that being a jerk to newbies doesn't
>help, but the fact is, as long as newbies rudely ask things they should know
>better than to ask, the experts will rudely reply in a fashion they should
>know better to reply in.
The poster at the beginning of this thread wasn't rude. Wasn't being a jerk.
Even looked in the FAQS but couldn't find what he wanted. Your argument is
invalid.
>To a point, you can't keep answering the same things over and over and
>over...
Right. And when you get to that point, you should shut up and let someone else
do it.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 14:31:08 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35ca6c7a.126848732@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:42:32 -0400, in article
<pudge-0508980742320001@192.168.0.3>, pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor) wrote:
>In article <35ceba00.81152314@nntpd.databasix.com>,
>whatpartofdontemailme@dontyouunderstand wrote:
>
># On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:38:24 -0400, in article
># <pudge-0408982138280001@192.168.0.3>, pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor) wrote:
>#
># >In article <35d58628.67878076@nntpd.databasix.com>,
># >whatpartofdontemailme@dontyouunderstand wrote:
># >
># ># Yeah, you're childish alright. So yes, it IS life. Yours.
># >
># >No, it is not my life. It is your life, and I control it. I control
># >you. I control the vertical and the horizontal. I control your bowel
># >movements and your e-mail. Beware.
>#
># As I said. Heard it all before pudge. BTW, why do they call you pudge? You
># short fat and ugly?
>
>Yes. And yet the chicks still dig me, and are repulsed by you.
Of course you have evidence of this?
>Well, the adult ones, anyway.
Skating near a line again?
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Date: 5 Aug 1998 14:03:51 GMT
From: edwarton@ml.com (Tony Edwardson X7587)
Subject: How to Overcome Module Name Changes
Message-Id: <6q9oo7$1v9$1@news.ml.com>
Anyone know a good way to cater for module name changes across releases?
Specifically Date::DateCalc has been renamed Date::Calc in 5.004 and
we have a module (Gendate.pm) which 'use's it and loads of scripts which
use Gendate.pm but use different versions of perl.
So our module Gendate.pm needs a different 'use' line depending on which
version of perl is in use by the calling script.
use Date::DateCalc if $PERL_VERSION < 5.004;
use Date::Calc if $PERL_VERSION >= 5.004;
doesn't work because the 'use' declarations are processed before any if
statements.
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Subject: Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Mar 98)
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Administrivia:
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