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Mon Aug 3 11:05:27 1998
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 08:00:31 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 3 Aug 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 3325
Today's topics:
Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question <quednauf@nortel.co.uk>
Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question <quednauf@nortel.co.uk>
Re: ActivePerl - browser problem <thomas@daimi.aau.dk>
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux (Bbirthisel)
Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux <jdporter@min.net>
Re: Gzip on non *nix platform <barnett@houston.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>
Help!! --- Installing GD.pm on HPUX (Dhgarn)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Greg Bacon)
Re: hiding user input (Greg Bacon)
Re: hiding user input <jdporter@min.net>
Re: hiding user input (Chris Nandor)
Re: hiding user input (Chris Nandor)
New posters to comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Re: Newbie questions...help! (Larry Rosler)
Re: Newbie questions...help! <rick.delaney@shaw.wave.ca>
Re: Perl == Unix? (was Re: Programmer's Editor) <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
Re: Perl equivalent of Java's synchronize??? <jdporter@min.net>
Re: regex question (Larry Rosler)
running part of script as another user (Michel Colin)
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Re: Suggestion: file handle associated $\ <jdporter@min.net>
Using pointers (John Moreno)
Re: What's the difference? <jdporter@min.net>
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Mar 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:55:39 +0100
From: "F.Quednau" <quednauf@nortel.co.uk>
Subject: Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question
Message-Id: <35C5C15B.BE37159F@nortel.co.uk>
bfredett@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> Greetings.
>
> I have a form with several text fields. These fields are named
> editcol1,editcol2,editcol3 ... and so on.
>
> for($i=1,$i<=$total,$i++) { # $total is set earlier
> $new_data = $form_data{'editcol$i'};
> } /|\
> |
> |
> Most likely the trouble is ---| there !!!
Indeed. reading the Perl documentation you will quickly find that single
quotes ('') do not cause variables to be interpolated into strings. So,
in your case $i will be taken literally. Doublequotes ("") cause Perl to
evaluate the variables in the string and insert their values into their
string. So you want something like:
$form_data{"editcol$i"};
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:02:04 +0100
From: "F.Quednau" <quednauf@nortel.co.uk>
Subject: Re: $form_data{'$variable'} question
Message-Id: <35C5C2DC.80BF0896@nortel.co.uk>
bfredett@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> for($i=1,$i<=$total,$i++)
BTW in Perl this is written like that:
for($i=1;$i<=$total;$i++)
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:25:46 +0200
From: Thomas Jespersen <thomas@daimi.aau.dk>
Subject: Re: ActivePerl - browser problem
Message-Id: <35C5C86A.2D7948B2@daimi.aau.dk>
Aurel wrote:
>
> Hi!
> My perl skripts only work, if they are called by a html-page ; but typing
> someprog.pl into the URL-window of a browser just won't work - even with a
> 3-lines-test.pl
Since your perl script seems to be working, this is the wrong newsgroup
to ask. It might be a server question or perhaps a cgi question. Try
these instead:
comp.infosystems.www.servers
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:22:11 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <35c8c76e.77964551@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 06:34:56 GMT, in article
<6q3kug$s5c$1@rand.dimensional.com>, Daniel Grisinger
<dgris@rand.dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Third, because my news reader is configured to automatically
>cc via email and I'm not about to change it.
Well that's it in a nutshell. Translation: You don't CARE what the recipiant
thinks about it.
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:21:08 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <35c7c72b.77897546@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 3 Aug 1998 10:06:57 GMT, in article <6q4241$bjv$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>,
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> wrote:
>In comp.lang.perl.misc, birgitt@my-dejanews.com writes:
>:Is that your assumption that the current moderator can read
>:just the English and the Perl language (sounds very sufficient to me)
>:or do you know that for a fact ?
>
>Oh, it's true. The current moderator is just another hopelessly
>monolingual American. This is easily remedied. :-)
Right. The moderator could send posts in languages he doesn't understand to
someone he knows understands it for translation.
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Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:27:58 GMT
From: bbirthisel@aol.com (Bbirthisel)
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <1998080314275800.KAA18931@ladder03.news.aol.com>
Hi All:
># 4) Perl code *must* reside in the CPAN. Non-CPAN code announcements
># will be rejected, even if sponsored as a commercial post. (See
># http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/04pause.html for details on how to
># submit items to the CPAN.) Postings consisting of source code will
># be rejected. (If it's good enough to post, it's good enough to go
># into the CPAN.)
>
>What if one were to have a new module and wanted some people to look at
>it and test it before putting it on the CPAN? Sounds like a valid
>announcement to me.
People expect code on CPAN to met some threshold of quality and
functionality. Code in alpha test or in rapid flux won't necessarily
achieve that. Perhaps cpla is the wrong forum (I limited alpha posts
to a users list) - but we should then designate a more suitable way to
announce "not ready for prime time" code in search of reviewers.
-bill
Making computers work in Manufacturing for over 25 years (inquiries welcome)
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:53:25 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: comp.lang.perl.announce redux
Message-Id: <35C5CF6C.7D53@min.net>
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
> Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> wrote:
> >Oh, it's true. The current moderator is just another hopelessly
> >monolingual American. This is easily remedied. :-)
>
> Right. The moderator could send posts in languages he doesn't understand to
> someone he knows understands it for translation.
I don't think that's what Tom meant.
He's alluding to his own polyglottalism.
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 08:02:21 -0500
From: Dave Barnett <barnett@houston.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>
Subject: Re: Gzip on non *nix platform
Message-Id: <35C5B4DD.FD66100@houston.Geco-Prakla.slb.com>
Jim Bowlin wrote:
>
> Jerry Pank wrote:
> >
> > Is there a simple way of decoding a *.gz file (on a non *nix platform),
> > from within perl ?
> > --
>
> There are many sources for the "standard" Unix tools ports.
> On NT/Windoze the following works for me:
>
> my $content = `gzip -c $filename`;
Only one minor problem with that. That encodes (ie gzips) a file. The
original poster asked about decoding (aka gunzip'ping) a file.
my $content = `gzip -dc $filename`;
>
> HTH -- Jim Bowlin
Dave
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Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:27:59 GMT
From: dhgarn@aol.com (Dhgarn)
Subject: Help!! --- Installing GD.pm on HPUX
Message-Id: <1998080314275900.KAA14533@ladder01.news.aol.com>
I cannot get GD.pl to install on HPUX 10.20. I have the C/ANSI developers kit
but I get the following errors.
cc: "gd.h", line 86: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "*".
cc: "gd.h", line 87: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "gdImageCreateFromGd".
cc: "gd.h", line 87: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: ";".
cc: "gd.h", line 85: error 1705: Function prototypes are an ANSI feature.
cc: "gd.h", line 86: error 1705: Function prototypes are an ANSI feature.
cc: "gd.h", line 86: error 1573: Type of "fd" is undefined due to an illegal
declaration.
cc: "gd.h", line 89: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "im".
cc: "gd.h", line 90: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "im".
cc: "gd.h", line 91: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "im".
--------about 30 Unexpected symbol errors (mostly "im"with two being
"dst)------------
cc: "gdfontg.h", line 18: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "gdFontGiant".
cc: "gdfontg.c", line 4379: error 1000: Unexpected symbol: "gdFontGiant".
cc: error 2017: Cannot recover from earlier errors, terminating.
Stop.
If you have any ideas, I would appreciate it. I have little experience at
compiling perl modules.
Darren
darren@southernview.com
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:19:43 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c6c6df.77821311@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:55:21 GMT, in article <35C5C1D0.36D6@min.net>, John
Porter <jdporter@min.net> wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>
>> I'll be sure to Call both Stanford and Dartmouth on Monday and let the admins
>> there know exactly what I think of your actions.
>
>If any of those admins have half a clue, they'll check the clpm
>archives,
>and will become quite clear to them that you are the one with the
>problem.
>And there are plenty of us who will be glad to field emails or phone
>calls to affirm the same.
If any of his admins (And management> have a clue, they'll see that his
continued emailing after being warned to stop is harassment.
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Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:37:25 GMT
From: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6q4hv5$8ti$5@info.uah.edu>
In article <6q0dgc$2be@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
gebis@noble.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Gebis) writes:
: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) writes:
: }Please tell us that you've stopped beating your poor wife.
:
: Dammit not this again.
There was a time when I had mistaken you for someone of clue.
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Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:32:32 GMT
From: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6q4hm0$8ti$4@info.uah.edu>
In article <ltzpdno6z4.fsf@asfast.com>,
Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
: So ... are you contending that all the people who come here with
: frequently asked questions have already read `news.announce.newusers'
: and are deliberately flouting the conventions discussed therein?
The sad truth is that this is probably not the case. :-( News admins
used to require users to read everything in n.a.newusers before they
were allowed to post. I guess this is an old-fashioned way of doing
things. :-(
: I
: would be willing to bet that a very high percentage of the first-time
: posters who come here asking such questions have not even heard of
: `news.announce.newusers' ... and therefore have not been lurking for a
: while, either.
Then they are strangers in a strange land. Common sense dictates that
when one is in a new setting, one should wait to get a feel of the way
things work before diving in.
: What I am not in favor of is sending people to these places in a rude,
: condescending, insulting manner.
When one fails to use common sense, one gets what one deserves.
: Consider these three possible responses to a "newbie" who posts a
: frequently asked question ...
[snip]
: I contend that Response B and Response C are much more desirable than
: Response A. Furthermore, I would add that I consider Response A to
: be totally uncalled for.
It's irrelevant what you think. I have chatted with Abigail on #perl
(although never IRL), and I've always found her to be a very pleasant
person. Perhaps to her, by responding to FAQ askers in the way she
does, she's preventing someone else from asking a FAQ. If she feels
she's doing the Right Thing, no amount of bitching will change that.
: Just keep in mind that each time you see a person posting a FAQ, it is
: almost always a *totally* *new* *person* doing so ... not the same
: person (or small group thereof) deliberately ignoring conventions or
: trying to disrupt the newsgroup by posting over and over and over and
: over ...
"But, officer, I didn't *know* the speed limit was 35! You can't give
me a ticket!"
: Losing ones temper and posting something like Response A, above, does
: not improve the signal-to-noise ratio here in c.l.p.misc, due to the
: flames which may very well ensue. Response B and Response C work much
: better.
Are you now blaming Abigail for flamage posted by Gary? That is nothing
short of a pile of bullshit. If you or anyone doesn't like Abigail's
response, then feel free to give what you think is a better response!
Nothing is holding you or anyone back.
: Again, how can "newbies" who haven't heard of `news.announce.newusers'
: and who haven't lurked a while in c.l.p.misc possibly know that you
: and others are so frustrated in the first place?
They can't, but lurking should be the default action of a new user!
If they only waited and read the group for two days at the most, they'd
see the frustration. What question is so urgent and so special that it
must be posted right away without doing any homework?
: Why not just give
: them the benefit of the doubt on their first-time posting and save the
: angry responses for that very small minority of non-first-time posters
: who ignore your pointers to the FAQ's and who persist in flouting
: convention?
So now is it our responsibility to keep up with who knows better and who
doesn't? Come on. Some of us have real jobs and come here because we
enjoy helping people. It takes most of the joy out of it for me when I
come in to see that so many people have pissed on our walls.
Greg
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:49:50 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35C5CE95.5A53@min.net>
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
> his continued emailing after being warned to stop is harassment.
Is it harassment? Or is it spam?
And what's this "warned"? Don't you mean "asked"?
Or did you threaten legal action?
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:51:06 -0400
From: pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <pudge-0308981051070001@192.168.0.3>
In article <35c20fb6.57357791@nntpd.databasix.com>, gburnore@databasix.com
wrote:
# On 31 Jul 1998 18:34:27 GMT, in article <6pt2nj$dav$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
# abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
#
# >Anyone who can't take the hint to read the documentation won't be able
# >to learn Perl, or any other language.
#
# Anyone who's to rude to answer a question nicely shouldn't post.
My WORD! Then what the hell are you doing posting anything at all?
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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:59:04 -0400
From: pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <pudge-0308981059040001@192.168.0.3>
In article <35c6f0e6.49468449@nntpd.databasix.com>, gburnore@databasix.com
wrote:
# Please, if all PERL EXPERTS are this rude, then I'm taking perl out of my
# resume. I wouldn't want a future employer to say, "Oh, perl. Jerk."
Please consider doing so, regardless, as I certainly don't want my skills
associated with you.
I am jut so shocked that you call people rude and jerks and then at the
same time call them jerkoffs, bitches, assholes, etc. I went to school
with several shrinks and counselors, and can recommend someone, if you
like. But please, please, get help.
# As I remember, you're one of the moderators who's best response to
# people in
# news.groups was "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" (YES, DIRECT
# QUOTE>
Yes, it is a direct quote, one that was meant with all sarcasm. It was
obviously over your head. Either that, or you are deliberately taking it
out of context. I wouldn't be proud of either case, if I were you.
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Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:47:52 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: New posters to comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <6q4iio$8ti$6@info.uah.edu>
Following is a summary of articles from new posters spanning a 7 day
period, beginning at 27 Jul 1998 14:04:54 GMT and ending at
03 Aug 1998 13:45:49 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" e-mail address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 1998 Greg Bacon. All Rights Reserved.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Totals
======
Posters: 308 (53.4% of all posters)
Articles: 437 (27.5% of all articles)
Volume generated: 726.5 kb (26.5% of total volume)
- headers: 302.6 kb (6,051 lines)
- bodies: 415.1 kb (13,143 lines)
- original: 309.8 kb (10,184 lines)
- signatures: 8.4 kb (222 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.746
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 1.4
median: 1.0 post
mode: 1 post - 246 posters
s: 1.2 posts
Message size: 1702.4 bytes
- header: 709.0 bytes (13.8 lines)
- body: 972.8 bytes (30.1 lines)
- original: 725.9 bytes (23.3 lines)
- signature: 19.7 bytes (0.5 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
10 18.0 ( 8.7/ 9.2/ 7.5) "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
9 15.5 ( 6.5/ 8.3/ 5.3) Alan Silver <alan@find-it.furryferret.uk.com>
7 11.2 ( 5.8/ 5.5/ 2.9) sp@m.block
7 11.8 ( 4.8/ 7.1/ 6.8) p@t.de
7 8.2 ( 4.6/ 3.6/ 3.6) Andy Ng <aacwn100@york.ac.uk>
5 14.9 ( 4.7/ 9.3/ 1.7) s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
5 8.3 ( 3.0/ 5.3/ 1.5) Ed <ed@pdh.com>
5 7.0 ( 3.5/ 3.5/ 2.2) fhurtubi@videotron.net
5 13.1 ( 3.7/ 9.4/ 6.4) Dave Stephens <stepherd@gusun.georgetown.edu>
5 13.1 ( 6.0/ 7.1/ 6.0) dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
These posters accounted for 4.1% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
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(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
18.0 ( 8.7/ 9.2/ 7.5) 10 "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
15.5 ( 6.5/ 8.3/ 5.3) 9 Alan Silver <alan@find-it.furryferret.uk.com>
14.9 ( 4.7/ 9.3/ 1.7) 5 s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
13.1 ( 3.7/ 9.4/ 6.4) 5 Dave Stephens <stepherd@gusun.georgetown.edu>
13.1 ( 6.0/ 7.1/ 6.0) 5 dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
11.8 ( 4.8/ 7.1/ 6.8) 7 p@t.de
11.2 ( 5.8/ 5.5/ 2.9) 7 sp@m.block
9.9 ( 3.0/ 6.8/ 6.1) 4 "P. Hegarty" <shadolin@cableinet.co.uk>
9.8 ( 0.8/ 8.9/ 8.9) 1 wjm@fohnix.metronet.com (Bill Middleton)
9.3 ( 2.5/ 6.9/ 4.4) 4 danzuck@my-dejanews.com
These posters accounted for 4.6% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of three posts)
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(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 3.6 / 3.6) 7 Andy Ng <aacwn100@york.ac.uk>
1.000 ( 1.3 / 1.3) 4 ebressler@netegrity.com (Eric W. Bressler)
0.999 ( 2.3 / 2.3) 3 qcoldiro@deal.unl.edu
0.969 ( 6.8 / 7.1) 7 p@t.de
0.953 ( 1.0 / 1.1) 3 cogelog@wanadoo.fr
0.906 ( 1.6 / 1.8) 3 sysop97@nospam.callisto.si.usherb.ca
0.897 ( 6.1 / 6.8) 4 "P. Hegarty" <shadolin@cableinet.co.uk>
0.848 ( 6.0 / 7.1) 5 dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
0.815 ( 7.5 / 9.2) 10 "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
0.783 ( 1.9 / 2.4) 3 Karmadon@my-dejanews.com
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of three posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.629 ( 2.2 / 3.5) 5 fhurtubi@videotron.net
0.619 ( 0.7 / 1.1) 3 amd0978@acf2.nyu.edu (Adam Donahue)
0.571 ( 1.3 / 2.3) 3 bill@fccj.org
0.561 ( 1.5 / 2.6) 4 "Jonah Olsson" <jonah@g-s.net>
0.541 ( 1.0 / 1.9) 3 "Jonkers" <snif.nospamplease@xs4all.nl>
0.533 ( 2.9 / 5.5) 7 sp@m.block
0.506 ( 1.7 / 3.3) 3 "Marcelo L. Meira" <marcelo.meira@waii.ERASETHIS.com>
0.321 ( 1.2 / 3.8) 3 joetombus@my-dejanews.com
0.285 ( 1.5 / 5.3) 5 Ed <ed@pdh.com>
0.187 ( 1.7 / 9.3) 5 s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
27 posters (8%) had at least three posts.
Top 10 Crossposters
===================
Articles Address
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30 "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
15 s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
15 dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
9 Chris Palmer <chris.palmer@sedunnet.com>
9 Egger Heinz <hegger@prepress.co.at>
9 "Zomba" <zomba@iname.com>
9 peter.koellner@fernuni-hagen.de
9 "Jochen Lacour" <jochen.lacour@sap-ag.de>
7 Ken Hince Jr <hince@ozemail.com.au>
6 "Bloke" <visual@n-yorkshirebloke.demon.co.uk>
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:23:52 -0700
From: lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
Subject: Re: Newbie questions...help!
Message-Id: <MPG.102f67d647c721969897af@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <mQ6gbZAnWax1EwAT@find-it.uk.com> on Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:57:27
+0100, Alan Silver <alan@find-it.furryferret.uk.com> says...
> In article <35C5BF0C.1832C56F@ix.netcom.com>, Ricardo Astudillo
> <astudill@ix.netcom.com> writes
...
> >2) Somebody tell me exactly what this does:
> >($line = <FILE>);
>
> This copies the contents of the file whose handle is FILE (ie there
> should be an open(FILE,"ferret.txt"); statement somewhere above it) into
> the variable $line. If you used
>
> @line = <FILE>;
>
> then it would do the same thing, but put each line (in ASCII terms) of
> the file into an element in the array (as opposed to sticking them all
> together like the previous example).
You have this very wrong. Unless the value of the input record sparator
$/ has been explicitly undefined, the first snippet copies the contents
of the file up to that value into $line. By default, the value of $/ is
"\n", so it copies exactly one line, not the contents of the file.
> By the way, I don't think the brackets around your example are needed.
> As far as I know, $line = <FILE>; would work the same.
This doesn't need an AFAIK, AFAIK. The only purpose of these parentheses
is to specify the precedence of operator evaluation in an expression. As
there is only one operator in that expression, the parentheses are
superfluous.
Perhaps what the poster had in mind is the idiom
if (defined($line = <FILE>)) { do something useful with $line }
where the inner parentheses are required for precedence (and the other
parenthese for syntax).
--
Larry Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:43:52 GMT
From: Rick Delaney <rick.delaney@shaw.wave.ca>
Subject: Re: Newbie questions...help!
Message-Id: <35C5CE00.F636292E@shaw.wave.ca>
Alan Silver wrote:
>
> In article <35C5BF0C.1832C56F@ix.netcom.com>, Ricardo Astudillo
> <astudill@ix.netcom.com> writes
>
> >2) Somebody tell me exactly what this does:
> >($line = <FILE>);
>
> This copies the contents of the file whose handle is FILE (ie there
> should be an open(FILE,"ferret.txt"); statement somewhere above it)
> into the variable $line. If you used
>
Uh, no. This sets the contents of the variable $line to the next record
of the file opened with the handle FILE. The record terminator is
whatever $/ is set to, newline by default.
> Have a good read of the Perl documentation.
Yes.
>
> >
> >I would really appreciate it if you e-mailed me.
> >astudill@ix.netcom.com
>
> Suppose I told you a pile of junk above, you would never know if I e-
> mailed you. By posting here, other people can see my answer and
> comment (if necessary). Also, other people might find the answer
> helpful.
That's right. Thank you for the example. :-)
--
Rick Delaney
rick.delaney@shaw.wave.ca
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 09:16:04 -0500
From: Cameron Dorey <camerond@mail.uca.edu>
To: I R A Aggie <fl_aggie@thepentagon.com>
Subject: Re: Perl == Unix? (was Re: Programmer's Editor)
Message-Id: <35C5C623.C3C1E23@mail.uca.edu>
[cc'd to j (iraa)]
I R A Aggie wrote:
>
> In article <35C0BDB3.475A26B6@mail.uca.edu>, Cameron Dorey
> <camerond@mail.uca.edu> wrote:
>
> + I beg to differ, your logic is faulty.
[TC wrote: you cannot know Perl well without knowing Unix -- the more
you know one, the more you know the other -- and vice versa.]
>
> No, yours is.
>
> + That would lead me to believe that,
> + although it may be the vast majority of systems which use Perl are some
> + flavor of Unix, that the two are not inseparable.
>
> No. You can take the perl out of the unix, but you can't take the unix
> out of perl.
>
> Take a look at the perlfunc man page, and look at all the perl functions
> that are direct links into the unix C libraries...
Sure, Perl was/is built by Unixers, was/is written in C, used a lot on
Unix boxes (and other boxes), but my point is _only_ that you can do a
lot on a machine using (as someone else put it) "the inferior M$
product," without having ever touching a Unix-based machine at all.
Actually, the original point was a comment about a brazen ad, that of
all the complaints which can come up about such an ad on this NG, the
complaint that a product in question does not run on Unix has nothing to
do with it being relevant to Perl in a general sense. That said, I
didn't appreciate the ad being here, either.
You know, I wish I had more opportunity to travel so that I could share
more than a *virtual* beer with you folks on discussions like this,
especially the ones which I just listen to.
Cameron
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:08:57 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: Perl equivalent of Java's synchronize???
Message-Id: <35C5C500.5FF0@min.net>
Philip Hallstrom wrote:
>
> Hi -
> I'm about to get into some Apache/Perl stuff and have a function
> that will be persistant, but should only be called by one instance at a
> time (did that make sense?)
>
> In Java (at least when I played with it) had a keyword "synchronize" that
> if put before functions indicated that it could only be called "one at a
> time".
>
> Other than using flock is there a way to do this in Perl?
flock would be kludgy way to do it.
I think you want semaphores (semctl, semget, semop) for this.
--
John Porter
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:36:54 -0700
From: lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
Subject: Re: regex question
Message-Id: <MPG.102f6ae44baca8f69897b0@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
[Posted to comp.lang.perl.misc and copy mailed.]
In article <35C5A5B3.DE3@bilbo.iok.net> on Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:59:11 GMT,
Dennis Wetzig <dennis@bilbo.iok.net> says...
> Hello,
>
> probably a dumb question...
Hardly.
> Think of this situation:
>
> $var='aaa';
>
> Now $var=~s/a/b/g; would make $var=='bbb';
>
> How can I make $var=='aba'; or said different: What
> does the regex have to look like to match only the
> 2nd time the 'a' occurs?
s/(a){2}/$1b/;
> Thanks for all answers!
>
> Dennis
>
> P.S.: Would be nice if you could mail me a copy of your answer!
My pleasure, since you didn't munge your e-mail address and expect
someone to fix it (as many other posters do).
--
Larry Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:10:40 GMT
From: michel.colin@nirvanet.net (Michel Colin)
Subject: running part of script as another user
Message-Id: <6q4g32$ah0$1@news.imaginet.fr>
a perlscript is executed from a webpage. one of the parameter is the login of
a user. the script must be run like it was runned from that user account
any help welcome
mc
------------------------------
Date: 3 Aug 1998 14:48:08 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <6q4ij8$8ti$7@info.uah.edu>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 27 Jul 1998 14:04:54 GMT and ending at
03 Aug 1998 13:45:49 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" e-mail address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
- Copyright (c) 1998 Greg Bacon. All Rights Reserved.
Verbatim copying and redistribution is permitted without royalty;
alteration is not permitted. Redistribution and/or use for any
commercial purpose is prohibited.
Excluded Posters
================
perlfaq-suggestions\@mox\.perl\.com
Totals
======
Posters: 577
Articles: 1589 (573 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 442
Volume generated: 2744.8 kb
- headers: 1118.3 kb (22,310 lines)
- bodies: 1512.7 kb (46,457 lines)
- original: 972.4 kb (32,388 lines)
- signatures: 112.3 kb (2,144 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.643
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 2.8
median: 1 post
mode: 1 post - 373 posters
s: 5.5 posts
Posts per thread: 3.6
median: 2.0 posts
mode: 1 post - 152 threads
s: 7.4 posts
Message size: 1768.9 bytes
- header: 720.7 bytes (14.0 lines)
- body: 974.8 bytes (29.2 lines)
- original: 626.6 bytes (20.4 lines)
- signature: 72.3 bytes (1.3 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
46 122.7 ( 41.8/ 49.4/ 21.1) gburnore@databasix.com
45 57.0 ( 31.9/ 24.5/ 14.7) jdporter@min.net
44 74.3 ( 35.8/ 31.2/ 13.9) abigail@fnx.com
37 133.2 ( 35.9/ 97.3/ 42.2) "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
32 52.6 ( 20.7/ 25.2/ 16.5) mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
32 55.8 ( 25.1/ 22.8/ 13.2) rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
31 39.0 ( 23.9/ 11.5/ 6.7) Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
28 42.8 ( 16.3/ 26.5/ 16.9) tadmc@flash.net (Tad McClellan)
26 34.4 ( 14.2/ 20.2/ 15.4) mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason Dominus)
26 41.7 ( 17.4/ 21.7/ 12.0) lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
These posters accounted for 21.8% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
133.2 ( 35.9/ 97.3/ 42.2) 37 "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
122.7 ( 41.8/ 49.4/ 21.1) 46 gburnore@databasix.com
74.3 ( 35.8/ 31.2/ 13.9) 44 abigail@fnx.com
57.0 ( 31.9/ 24.5/ 14.7) 45 jdporter@min.net
55.8 ( 25.1/ 22.8/ 13.2) 32 rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
52.6 ( 20.7/ 25.2/ 16.5) 32 mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
44.6 ( 14.9/ 29.7/ 19.6) 23 cberry@cinenet.net (Craig Berry)
42.8 ( 16.3/ 26.5/ 16.9) 28 tadmc@flash.net (Tad McClellan)
41.7 ( 17.4/ 21.7/ 12.0) 26 lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
40.0 ( 16.7/ 23.3/ 13.0) 20 root.noharvest.\@not_even\here.com
These posters accounted for 24.2% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 3.6 / 3.6) 7 Andy Ng <aacwn100@york.ac.uk>
1.000 ( 4.5 / 4.5) 8 gabor@vmunix.com (Gabor)
0.989 ( 6.8 / 6.9) 6 tye@fumnix.metronet.com (Tye McQueen)
0.969 ( 6.8 / 7.1) 7 p@t.de
0.951 ( 3.1 / 3.3) 8 fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie)
0.943 ( 6.7 / 7.1) 10 gebis@albrecht.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Gebis)
0.872 ( 20.4 / 23.4) 9 Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
0.848 ( 6.0 / 7.1) 5 dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
0.842 ( 6.0 / 7.1) 10 gebis@fee.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Gebis)
0.815 ( 7.5 / 9.2) 10 "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.434 ( 42.2 / 97.3) 37 "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
0.428 ( 21.1 / 49.4) 46 gburnore@databasix.com
0.392 ( 2.8 / 7.2) 21 thomas@daimi.aau.dk
0.345 ( 4.1 / 11.8) 12 hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano)
0.317 ( 4.0 / 12.7) 12 "Simon Fairey" <simonf@conduit.co.uk>
0.285 ( 1.5 / 5.3) 5 Ed <ed@pdh.com>
0.254 ( 1.4 / 5.5) 7 bowlin@sirius.com
0.253 ( 7.5 / 29.5) 10 Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
0.187 ( 1.7 / 9.3) 5 s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
0.096 ( 0.9 / 9.3) 5 "Mark Stang" <markstang@ncgroup.com>
69 posters (11%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Threads by Number of Posts
=================================
Posts Subject
----- -------
104 hiding user input
94 Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
28 What's the future of Perl?
24 Programmer's Editor
24 Y2K problem in PERL with localtime()
21 Interesting Question needs Quick Answer
20 file system operations on open files
20 Submit only Once
18 # in a print statement
17 number (6 -> 06) conversion question
These threads accounted for 23.3% of all articles.
Top 10 Threads by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
270.1 ( 89.0/180.0/ 77.6) 94 Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
227.2 ( 86.6/106.1/ 55.9) 104 hiding user input
49.4 ( 17.5/ 30.9/ 18.5) 24 Y2K problem in PERL with localtime()
43.0 ( 20.3/ 21.1/ 13.0) 28 What's the future of Perl?
36.0 ( 18.1/ 16.7/ 11.5) 24 Programmer's Editor
34.8 ( 15.6/ 18.1/ 11.4) 20 file system operations on open files
34.4 ( 14.7/ 17.7/ 8.6) 20 Submit only Once
33.1 ( 13.9/ 18.0/ 12.0) 21 Interesting Question needs Quick Answer
28.6 ( 11.1/ 13.2/ 7.5) 15 comp.lang.perl.announce redux
26.0 ( 13.4/ 11.2/ 6.8) 18 # in a print statement
These threads accounted for 28.5% of the total volume.
Top 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.958 ( 7.5/ 7.8) 8 Mail::Pop3Client; Can not retrieve Body ;(
0.852 ( 7.9/ 9.2) 10 Please Help - Perl on the Web
0.841 ( 9.7/ 11.5) 5 Q: lpd / sockets / perl / HP750 plotters
0.817 ( 4.0/ 5.0) 6 Zombies from Forking are Bad, says Sun
0.796 ( 3.5/ 4.4) 10 Year 2000
0.794 ( 5.6/ 7.1) 7 Problems building 5.005_01 on NT4, sp3
0.774 ( 1.4/ 1.8) 5 Sorting for Uniques
0.742 ( 2.2/ 3.0) 7 Power (ie C's 4^7)
0.742 ( 14.2/ 19.2) 5 bug in lexical array reference?
0.730 ( 1.4/ 2.0) 5 striphtml.pl and Win32 Perl 5.004
Bottom 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.483 ( 8.6 / 17.7) 20 Submit only Once
0.473 ( 3.3 / 7.0) 13 Im Willing to pay or give a free DOMAIN for a custom cgi!
0.472 ( 4.6 / 9.7) 7 deadlocking sockets
0.466 ( 1.4 / 3.1) 5 luser is spelt L-O-S-E-R was Re: hiding user input
0.458 ( 2.6 / 5.8) 7 Breaking out of a block
0.447 ( 3.2 / 7.1) 7 Perl + FP Web Server + Microsoft Web Server
0.440 ( 2.5 / 5.7) 11 Try perl on Ms Dos
0.431 ( 77.6 /180.0) 94 Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
0.380 ( 1.9 / 5.0) 6 Perl use in html documents
0.318 ( 1.6 / 5.1) 5 Using Perl Embed in Win32 C++
79 threads (17%) had at least five posts.
Top 10 Targets for Crossposts
=============================
Articles Newsgroup
-------- ---------
96 alt.2600.hackerz
96 es.comp.hackers
96 alt.ph.uk
21 comp.lang.perl.modules
19 comp.unix.programmer
8 gnu.emacs.help
7 de.comp.lang.perl
7 comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
6 comp.lang.perl.moderated
5 de.comp.lang.c++
Top 10 Crossposters
===================
Articles Address
-------- -------
111 "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
30 Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
30 "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
15 s l a / s h <bastard@dis.org>
15 mnc@diana.law.yale.edu (Miguel Cruz)
15 dan the man <dan@black.hole-in-the.net>
12 "Mark Stang" <markstang@ncgroup.com>
9 "Jochen Lacour" <jochen.lacour@sap-ag.de>
9 peter.koellner@fernuni-hagen.de
9 Remove
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:37:18 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: Suggestion: file handle associated $\
Message-Id: <35C5CBA5.5B80@min.net>
Bart Lateur wrote:
>
> Would you people be interested if $\ would be associated with the
> currently selected file handle? Just like now for $|. I guess it might
> break existing code. Sigh. Maybe a module wrapper could deal with that.
Indeed, $RS, $ORS, and $OFS ought to be per-filehandle;
but even then, they are -- conceptually -- attributes of the filehandle;
so I think it would be trivial to simply modify (or derive from)
FileHandle, so that objects of that class maintain their own data
attributes for RS, ORS, and OFS, rather than using the perl special
globals for those purposes.
--
John Porter
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:20:44 -0400
From: phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno)
Subject: Using pointers
Message-Id: <1dd6j1p.1u4jtuc15z7ig4N@roxboro0-052.dyn.interpath.net>
I want to use perl to test out some C code which deals with a null
terminated string (i.e. translate the C code to perl to test out the
algorithm). The problem? I don't understand perl pointers.
I'm using:
$teststr="this is a test\x0";
$pointer = pack ("p", $teststr);
to get the pointer, but that doesn't seem to be doing what I expect (I'm
obviously misreading pack in the perlfunc). This is probably covered in
one of the books - but I don't have any of them, just the standard
installation, which doesn't seem to deal with pointers much.
--
John Moreno
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:57:20 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: What's the difference?
Message-Id: <35C5D057.220D@min.net>
[mailed only]
Ronald J Kimball wrote:
>
> [1] There is even a way to use word characters, but we won't worry about
> that right now. :-)
O.k, I guess I'm not quite at guru status yet.
So how is it done?
Thanks,
--
John Porter
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