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Today's topics:
Re: hiding user input <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com>
Re: hiding user input (Greg Bacon)
Re: hiding user input <ljz@asfast.com>
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Ronald J Kimball)
Re: hiding user input (Kelly Hirano)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Michael J Gebis)
Re: hiding user input (Abigail)
Re: hiding user input (Abigail)
Re: hiding user input (Abigail)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: hiding user input <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: hiding user input <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: hiding user input <jdporter@min.net>
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Kelly Hirano)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Abigail)
Re: hiding user input (Abigail)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: hiding user input <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com>
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
Re: hiding user input (Kelly Hirano)
Re: hiding user input (Greg Bacon)
Re: hiding user input (Kelly Hirano)
Re: hiding user input (Scott Stark)
Re: hiding user input <dgris@rand.dimensional.com>
Re: hiding user input <rra@stanford.edu>
Re: hiding user input (Michael J Gebis)
Re: hiding user input (Ronald J Kimball)
Re: hiding user input (Ronald J Kimball)
Re: hiding user input (Ronald J Kimball)
Re: hiding user input (Gary L. Burnore)
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Date: 30 Jul 1998 16:39:52 -0700
From: Brad Murray <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <u4svyoqlz.fsf@vansel.alcatel.com>
sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such animal,
> except "Is there a way to hide perl's command line from programs such
> as "ps"?". That one didn't make sense to me. So either there's something
> wrong with my eyes or I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
perlfaq8 --- I grepped for hide and hidden and found nothing useful,
but grepping for password (seemed logical as that would be a typical
context in which one might want to hide user input) turned it up. I
think the title of the QL is "How do I ask the user for a password?".
--
Brad Murray "Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner." --aphorism
Software Analyst "Understanding might just add contempt
Alcatel Canada to hatred." --J.L. Austin
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 15:19:18 GMT
From: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6psn9m$18n$4@info.uah.edu>
In article <35C132F1.663@bothered.com>,
Jay Taylor <sysop97@nospam.callisto.si.usherb.ca> writes:
: > ++ I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
:
: > Must be the latter. Which doesn't surprise as you're too stupid to
: > indicate on your email that you posted a copy as well.
:
: Tsk! Tsk!
: Someone comes looking for help and gets slammed!
: If you don't have anything nice to say ...
What about not judging a man until you've walked a mile in his boots?
Greg
--
But I'm not a diminuitive Napoleonically compensating anal dwarf either,
so it balances out.
-- Travis Hardison
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 20:27:34 -0400
From: Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <lt1zr14kcp.fsf@asfast.com>
gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) writes:
> [overly long lines chopped]
>
> In article <35C0855E.82D3256E@interactive.ibm.com>,
> John Call <johnc@interactive.ibm.com> writes:
> : I thought once the "Perl Studs" got their .moderated group that any adv
> : gave here would be a little less venomous. I guess not. You got the new
> : be rude in there. If you give advice here then take the Tom P.'s approa
>
> Worry about the log in your eye before you try to pick the splinter out
> of Abigail's. Lines over eighty columns are pretty rude.
>
> Did it occur to you that asking a FAQ after so many people have invested
> so much time in creating a list of answers to FAQs so people would stop
> asking FAQs is in itself incredibly rude? I guess not. :-(
But how do most "newbies" know that so many people have invested so
much time? Being "newbies" means that they are unfamiliar with the
fact that this has occurred until *after* someone points it out
to them. Should this pointing out be done rudely or politely?
Sure, once they show up and ask their questions, steer them to the
excellent FAQ's and documenation. And that begs the following question:
Q: Under the assumption that the only reasonable thing to do when a
"newbie" comes and asks a frequently-asked-question is to steer
him or her to the FAQ's and doc's, what is the best way to do so?
1. Rudely, condescendingly, insultingly?
2. Politely, considerately, respectfully?
3. Other: (please specify) ____________________________
> If you want someone to hold your hand and read the FAQ to you, then
> consider paying someone. This is not anyone's free helpdesk.
>
> This group will be in a world of shit if you run all the experts off.
> Be careful what you wish for.
Are you trying to say that it's OK for a few experts to be rude
because they're experts, but that no one should complain about this
occasional rudeness because that might discourage these experts from
contributing here?
Are the experts you have in mind so thin-skinned and hypocritical that
they freely dish out rudeness but can't take complaints in return? I
doubt it.
And just in case there is any confusion, I am *in* *favor* of people
being steered to the excellent FAQ's and doc's that many of you have
worked so hard at producing. What I'm *not* in favor of is
condescension, insulting behavior, and rudeness being used when
steering first-time posters to these valuable resources.
I'm thankful that most experts do not resort to this kind of
childishness. It is only a small minority who do so, and even they
don't do it all the time. But that still doesn't make it right.
--
Lloyd Zusman ljz@asfast.com
perl -e '$n=170;for($d=2;($d*$d)<=$n;$d+=(1+($d%2))){for($t=0;($n%$d)==0;
$t++){$n=int($n/$d);}while($t-->0){push(@r,$d);}}if($n>1){push(@r,$n);}
$x=0;map{$x+=(($_>0)?(1<<log($_-0.5)/log(2.0)+1):1)}@r;print"$x\n"'
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:15:57 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c25e2b.77445805@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 14:41:17 -0700, in article <6ptdlt$g08@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano) wrote:
>In article <35c42c40.64664774@nntpd.databasix.com>,
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>>On 31 Jul 1998 20:31:58 GMT, in article <6pt9ju$esh$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
>>abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>>>Why don't you just shut up?
>>
>>Because you attack new users. I've watched it for quite awhile and I won't
>>watch anymore. From now on, I'll comment. If you don't LIKE it, either
>>change your postings, killfile me or move on to the moderated group where your
>>attitude is acceptable behavior.
>
>i vote that they move this to private email. what do you all think?
I think you should learn to use your news-reader's killfile feature.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:28:42 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c5f062.49336759@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 15:28:18 GMT, in article <6psnqi$18n$6@info.uah.edu>,
gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) wrote:
>In article <35c8e560.14065952@nntpd.databasix.com>,
> gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore) writes:
>: Besides, in this case, John is correct. If Abigail is too lazy to answer the
>: qustion, Abigail should just shut the fuck up.
>
>You're morbidly wrong. If someone is too lazy to check the FAQ, they
>have no business posting.
Horseshit. This was discussed ad-nausium during the request for a moderated
group. Those jerkoffs who can't answer a question without attacking the
person because they might not have found it in a faq should go there.
>If all you're going to talk about is advocating giving this group over
>to FAQs, then you should shut the fuck up.
Giving this group over to faqs? Huh.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:27:02 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c4f000.49238551@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 06:14:31 GMT, in article <6prnc7$61r$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
>MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c134cf.1310295@nntpd.databasix.com>:
>++
>++ WTF can't you either answer the question or let it go?
>
>
>If you don't think a pointer to the FAQ isn't the answer to a question,
>you're in desperate need of professional help.
If you think saying "is something wrong with your eyes...
instead of "You should check the faqs at ...
Then you're just an obnoxious bitch who needs to do something else other than
post here.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:35:16 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c7f22e.49796527@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 15:19:18 GMT, in article <6psn9m$18n$4@info.uah.edu>,
gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) wrote:
>In article <35C132F1.663@bothered.com>,
> Jay Taylor <sysop97@nospam.callisto.si.usherb.ca> writes:
>: > ++ I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
>:
>: > Must be the latter. Which doesn't surprise as you're too stupid to
>: > indicate on your email that you posted a copy as well.
>:
>: Tsk! Tsk!
>: Someone comes looking for help and gets slammed!
>: If you don't have anything nice to say ...
>
>What about not judging a man until you've walked a mile in his boots?
What about reading your posts in news.groups where you're a fucking asshole?
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:34:33 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c6f0e6.49468449@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 15:24:50 GMT, in article <6psnk2$18n$5@info.uah.edu>,
gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) wrote:
>[overly long lines chopped]
>
>In article <35C0855E.82D3256E@interactive.ibm.com>,
> John Call <johnc@interactive.ibm.com> writes:
>: I thought once the "Perl Studs" got their .moderated group that any adv
>: gave here would be a little less venomous. I guess not. You got the new
>: be rude in there. If you give advice here then take the Tom P.'s approa
>
>Worry about the log in your eye before you try to pick the splinter out
>of Abigail's. Lines over eighty columns are pretty rude.
Only if you have a shitty newsreader that doesn't wrap lines. Besides, it's
less rude than her comments to a new poster. Greg, you were one of those
promoiting the moderated group. Why not take abiGALE and go there?
>
>Did it occur to you that asking a FAQ after so many people have invested
>so much time in creating a list of answers to FAQs so people would stop
>asking FAQs is in itself incredibly rude? I guess not. :-(
I think chasing anyone away who's just learning PERL or any other language is
rude. Asking questions that have been asked before may be annoying to you and
if so, you should just not follow up to them. Let someone else do it or SHUT
THE FUCK UP.
>
>If you want someone to hold your hand and read the FAQ to you, then
>consider paying someone. This is not anyone's free helpdesk.
Yes, jerkoff, it is.
>
>This group will be in a world of shit if you run all the experts off.
>Be careful what you wish for.
Please, if all PERL EXPERTS are this rude, then I'm taking perl out of my
resume. I wouldn't want a future employer to say, "Oh, perl. Jerk."
YES it's time for the fucking jerkoff rude bastards who _CALL_ themselves
experts to get the fuck out of this group and run on over to your brand
spanking new moderated group. You rude jerkoff asshole "EXPERTS" can just
talk amongst yourself and let the experts who AREN'T rude assholes stay here.
As I remember, you're one of the moderators who's best response to people in
news.groups was "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" (YES, DIRECT QUOTE>
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:36:34 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c8f251.49831438@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 30 Jul 1998 16:39:52 -0700, in article <u4svyoqlz.fsf@vansel.alcatel.com>,
Brad Murray <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com> wrote:
>sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
>
>> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such animal,
>> except "Is there a way to hide perl's command line from programs such
>> as "ps"?". That one didn't make sense to me. So either there's something
>> wrong with my eyes or I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
>
>perlfaq8 --- I grepped for hide and hidden and found nothing useful,
>but grepping for password (seemed logical as that would be a typical
>context in which one might want to hide user input) turned it up. I
>think the title of the QL is "How do I ask the user for a password?".
Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
So basically, the bitch jumped all over someone for something that wasn't
easily discovered in the faqs without reading them word for word and/or
already knowing everything there is to know about PERL.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:05:33 -0400
From: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <1dd1ufc.17axra21ttmh6oN@bay2-136.quincy.ziplink.net>
Per Gary Burnore's request:
[His response to an email message I sent to him earlier this evening.]
From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
Organization: The Home Office in Wazoo, NE
To: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:12:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Being abusive on clpm
> > Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL!
> > HOW DARE THEY??????
>
> I notice you're not one of them. You are right that Abigail is
> unnecessarily rude to newbies, and it is a shame. You're terribly
> wrong, however, in assuming that the rest of us want to read your
> offensive, foul-mouthed, exagerated attacks on the regulars to this
> group.
>
> Next time you want to scold Abigail, keep it in email, please.
USENet discussions belong in usenet. Further email from you will be
considered harassment and will be reported as such to your provider.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:13:11 -0700
From: hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6ptq37$85h@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
wow, i got a similar email from gary -- i just wrote him a few minutes ago
and thought i was being civil and he responds with profanity.... oh, well.
From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
To: Kelly Hirano <hirano@CS.Stanford.EDU>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:06:34 -0500
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Reply-to: gburnore@databasix.com
CC: postmaster@stanford.edu
Priority: normal
> i think you should stop polluting usenet with off-topic chatter. this is a
> perl newsgroup and your last post has nothing to do with perl (of course,
> neither did mine, the one that you followed up, but i'm now moving this to
> email). i think someone else pointed out that if we keep following up
> posts that are off-topic, we're going to start missing the important,
> on-topic posts.
Stay the fuck out of my email. Further email from you will be considered
harassment and will be reported to your provider.
I've cc'd postmaster@stanford.edu so they'll know you've been warned.
In article <1dd1ufc.17axra21ttmh6oN@bay2-136.quincy.ziplink.net>,
Ronald J Kimball <rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>Per Gary Burnore's request:
>
>[His response to an email message I sent to him earlier this evening.]
>
>
>From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
>Organization: The Home Office in Wazoo, NE
>To: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:12:58 -0500
>Subject: Re: Being abusive on clpm
>
>> > Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL!
>> > HOW DARE THEY??????
>>
>> I notice you're not one of them. You are right that Abigail is
>> unnecessarily rude to newbies, and it is a shame. You're terribly
>> wrong, however, in assuming that the rest of us want to read your
>> offensive, foul-mouthed, exagerated attacks on the regulars to this
>> group.
>>
>> Next time you want to scold Abigail, keep it in email, please.
>
>USENet discussions belong in usenet. Further email from you will be
>considered harassment and will be reported as such to your provider.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:16:03 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35d6fbb4.52234681@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 02:56:50 GMT, in article <6prbpi$493$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>Scott Stark (sstark@informix.com) wrote on MDCCXCIV September MCMXCIII in
><URL: news:6pqtda$aql1@webint.na.informix.com>:
>++
>++ As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such animal, exce
>++ "Is there a way to hide perl's command line from programs such as "ps"?". Tha
>++ one didn't make sense to me. So either there's something wrong with my eyes o
>++ I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
>
>
>Must be the latter. Which doesn't surprise as you're too stupid to
>indicate on your email that you posted a copy as well.
Doesn't surprise me that you're still acting like a bitch.
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:32:11 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c96f3c.81815883@nntpd.databasix.com>
It's clear that both of you have NO clue what the difference is between email
and USENet. While you're all so happy to see abigail abuse new users and
complaining that I say something about it you're being hypocrites by posting
sending private email and then posting the reply to USENet.
I'll be sure to Call both Stanford and Dartmouth on Monday and let the admins
there know exactly what I think of your actions.
USENet discussions belong in USENet. Not in email.
On 31 Jul 1998 18:13:11 -0700, in article <6ptq37$85h@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano) wrote:
>wow, i got a similar email from gary -- i just wrote him a few minutes ago
>and thought i was being civil and he responds with profanity.... oh, well.
>
>From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
>To: Kelly Hirano <hirano@CS.Stanford.EDU>
>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:06:34 -0500
>Subject: Re: hiding user input
>Reply-to: gburnore@databasix.com
>CC: postmaster@stanford.edu
>Priority: normal
>
>
>> i think you should stop polluting usenet with off-topic chatter. this is a
>> perl newsgroup and your last post has nothing to do with perl (of course,
>> neither did mine, the one that you followed up, but i'm now moving this to
>> email). i think someone else pointed out that if we keep following up
>> posts that are off-topic, we're going to start missing the important,
>> on-topic posts.
>
>Stay the fuck out of my email. Further email from you will be considered
>harassment and will be reported to your provider.
>
>I've cc'd postmaster@stanford.edu so they'll know you've been warned.
>
>
>In article <1dd1ufc.17axra21ttmh6oN@bay2-136.quincy.ziplink.net>,
>Ronald J Kimball <rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>Per Gary Burnore's request:
>>
>>[His response to an email message I sent to him earlier this evening.]
>>
>>
>>From: "Gary L. Burnore" <gburnore@databasix.com>
>>Organization: The Home Office in Wazoo, NE
>>To: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
>>Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:12:58 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Being abusive on clpm
>>
>>> > Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL!
>>> > HOW DARE THEY??????
>>>
>>> I notice you're not one of them. You are right that Abigail is
>>> unnecessarily rude to newbies, and it is a shame. You're terribly
>>> wrong, however, in assuming that the rest of us want to read your
>>> offensive, foul-mouthed, exagerated attacks on the regulars to this
>>> group.
>>>
>>> Next time you want to scold Abigail, keep it in email, please.
>>
>>USENet discussions belong in usenet. Further email from you will be
>>considered harassment and will be reported as such to your provider.
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:35:24 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35cc7086.82146117@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:05:33 -0400, in article
<1dd1ufc.17axra21ttmh6oN@bay2-136.quincy.ziplink.net>, rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
(Ronald J Kimball) wrote:
>Per Gary Burnore's request:
[private email posted to USEnet deleted]
Ronald J Kimball is a _LIAR_. I did not give him permission nor request that
he post my private email to him to USENet.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 17:59:15 GMT
From: gebis@fee.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Gebis)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt0lj$4d1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>
gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) writes:
}In article <35c8e560.14065952@nntpd.databasix.com>,
} gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore) writes:
}: Besides, in this case, John is correct. If Abigail is too lazy to answer the
}: qustion, Abigail should just shut the fuck up.
}You're morbidly wrong. If someone is too lazy to check the FAQ, they
}have no business posting.
The original poster did indeed read the FAQ, but searched for the
wrong keyword. Sure, it's logical to search for "password" after
"hiding user input" is fruitless, but it's also logical to search for
"invisible" or "hidden" or "echo" or "obscured" or whatever.
So I think that the original poster's only sin was the inablity to
come up with the right keyword. I find it ridiculous that a small
mistake like that would warrant the personal insults it got.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:26:22 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt28e$dav$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c8f251.49831438@nntpd.databasix.com>:
++ On 30 Jul 1998 16:39:52 -0700, in article <u4svyoqlz.fsf@vansel.alcatel.com>,
++ Brad Murray <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com> wrote:
++
++ >sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
++ >
++ >> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such animal,
++ >> except "Is there a way to hide perl's command line from programs such
++ >> as "ps"?". That one didn't make sense to me. So either there's something
++ >> wrong with my eyes or I'm too stupid to figure out the FAQ.
++ >
++ >perlfaq8 --- I grepped for hide and hidden and found nothing useful,
++ >but grepping for password (seemed logical as that would be a typical
++ >context in which one might want to hide user input) turned it up. I
++ >think the title of the QL is "How do I ask the user for a password?".
++
++ Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
++ So basically, the bitch jumped all over someone for something that wasn't
++ easily discovered in the faqs without reading them word for word and/or
++ already knowing everything there is to know about PERL.
Not reading the FAQs word for word before posting a question is rude
in *any* newsgroup, not just this one.
Abigail
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:34:27 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt2nj$dav$2@client3.news.psi.net>
Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c6f0e6.49468449@nntpd.databasix.com>:
++ On 31 Jul 1998 15:24:50 GMT, in article <6psnk2$18n$5@info.uah.edu>,
++ gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon) wrote:
++
++ >Did it occur to you that asking a FAQ after so many people have invested
++ >so much time in creating a list of answers to FAQs so people would stop
++ >asking FAQs is in itself incredibly rude? I guess not. :-(
++
++ I think chasing anyone away who's just learning PERL or any other language is
++ rude. Asking questions that have been asked before may be annoying to you and
++ if so, you should just not follow up to them. Let someone else do it or SHUT
++ THE FUCK UP.
Anyone who can't take the hint to read the documentation won't be able
to learn Perl, or any other language.
++ >If you want someone to hold your hand and read the FAQ to you, then
++ >consider paying someone. This is not anyone's free helpdesk.
++
++ Yes, jerkoff, it is.
No, it isn't.
++ >This group will be in a world of shit if you run all the experts off.
++ >Be careful what you wish for.
++
++ Please, if all PERL EXPERTS are this rude, then I'm taking perl out of my
++ resume. I wouldn't want a future employer to say, "Oh, perl. Jerk."
Oh, he doesn't need your resume for that. A simple query on dejanews will
be enough to reach that conclusion.
Abigail
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:36:18 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt2r2$dav$3@client3.news.psi.net>
Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c8f251.49831438@nntpd.databasix.com>:
++
++ Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
Patches are welcome.
Abigail
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:42:40 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c20fb6.57357791@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:34:27 GMT, in article <6pt2nj$dav$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>Anyone who can't take the hint to read the documentation won't be able
>to learn Perl, or any other language.
Anyone who's to rude to answer a question nicely shouldn't post.
>
>++ >If you want someone to hold your hand and read the FAQ to you, then
>++ >consider paying someone. This is not anyone's free helpdesk.
>++
>++ Yes, jerkoff, it is.
>
>No, it isn't.
It is now. You can just run along to your moderated group and be a bitch
there.
>
>++ >This group will be in a world of shit if you run all the experts off.
>++ >Be careful what you wish for.
>++
>++ Please, if all PERL EXPERTS are this rude, then I'm taking perl out of my
>++ resume. I wouldn't want a future employer to say, "Oh, perl. Jerk."
>
>Oh, he doesn't need your resume for that. A simple query on dejanews will
>be enough to reach that conclusion.
Yup. Note of course that ONLY those posts that I choose to have
non-X-no-archinve are there. Not comp group posts. And a quick check to this
one group will show everyone that you're a bitch.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:33:26 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt2lm$sfu@fridge.shore.net>
Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
: If you don't think a pointer to the FAQ isn't the answer to a question,
: you're in desperate need of professional help.
There are numerous people in this ng who are willing to provide a polite
and helpful pointer to the FAQ. If you can't answer a simple question (or
ignore it) without throwing in a gratuitous insult, *you* are most
definitely in desperate need of professional help, not to mention a new
hobby.
--Art
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:52:58 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c4123f.58006628@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:33:26 GMT, in article <6pt2lm$sfu@fridge.shore.net>,
Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
>
>: If you don't think a pointer to the FAQ isn't the answer to a question,
>: you're in desperate need of professional help.
>
>There are numerous people in this ng who are willing to provide a polite
>and helpful pointer to the FAQ. If you can't answer a simple question (or
>ignore it) without throwing in a gratuitous insult, *you* are most
>definitely in desperate need of professional help, not to mention a new
>hobby.
>
Exactly. Precicely. <AOL> Me Too! </AOL>
There are plenty of experts here who answer questions without being rude.
Hell, I've never NEEDED to ask a question here as reading this group gives me
the answers I need.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:46:16 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c31029.57473125@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:26:22 GMT, in article <6pt28e$dav$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>
>Not reading the FAQs word for word before posting a question is rude
>in *any* newsgroup, not just this one.
Again, he read the faq and couldn't find an answer. Your post didn't _ASK_ if
he read the faq. Your post slammed him before he had a chance to say "I've
read the faq". Your post was rude and obnoxious. Most of your posts here
are. Even when you do answer a question, you answer it like a bitch.
Besides, since there's SO MUCH in the FAQs, it's difficult to read through.
Again, I ask: Why can't you just NOT POST when someone asks a question that's
already been asked? Why must you demean new posters? Who assigned you as
guardian over this group or any other (other than you>?
Again, if you don't want to answer the question, why not just SHUT THE FUCK UP
and let someone who WANTS to answer it answer it?
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:51:50 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c23c23.68732171@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 14:36:37 -0700, in article <6ptdd5$fi2@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano) wrote:
>In article <35c32c11.64617641@nntpd.databasix.com>,
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>>Do you PRACTICE at missing the point? I'm not worried. Not at all. It's just
>>that you make it look like ALL perl programmers are jerks.
>
>oh, come on now. does she really have that much power to affect the image of
>ALL of us? i think not. but i'm not taking sides, i don't want to get involed
>in this. i just thought that the generalization above was a bit much.
>From the comments of folks like her and Bacon, folks in news.groups have the
opinion that the "experts" here are jerks. Other than that, yes the
generalization is a bit much but then so are her posts. Note that I've said
several times that most of the "experts" here are not of her ilk.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:54:21 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c5129f.58103215@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:36:18 GMT, in article <6pt2r2$dav$3@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
>MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c8f251.49831438@nntpd.databasix.com>:
>++
>++ Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
>
>Patches are welcome.
Nice way to skip over the point. You do note that had the proper keywords
been placed, he'd not have posted and you'd not have bitched at him. You'd
just find someone else to bitch at.
Well, Bitch, bitch at me and leave the newbies alone.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:58:15 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt447$sfu@fridge.shore.net>
Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com> wrote:
: sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
:> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such
:> animal
: perlfaq8 deals extensively with the various ways in which you can
: manipulate the tty.
Now Jonathan... how is this supposed to help the man when you (a) pointed
him to the specific portion of the FAQ that relates to his inquiry and (b)
didn't insult him personally?
And you call yourself an expert....
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 18:56:41 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt419$sfu@fridge.shore.net>
Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> wrote:
: : Someone comes looking for help and gets slammed!
: : If you don't have anything nice to say ...
: What about not judging a man until you've walked a mile in his boots?
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I've been reading this newsgroup
for years, and I've never found newbies so offensive that I had to resort
to personal insults. How exactly is Abigail's situation different from
mine (or the other 99% of clpm readers who don't feel obliged to insult
people who come here looking for help)??
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 19:09:02 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt4oe$t91@fridge.shore.net>
Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> wrote:
: Worry about the log in your eye before you try to pick the splinter out
: of Abigail's. Lines over eighty columns are pretty rude.
Why don't you ever complain about Abigail's long (>80 character)
signatures? Or is it OK when one of your buddies does it?
--Art
PS: Using non-compliant newsreading software may be ignorant and hard to
read, but it's nowhere near as "rude" as the personal insults favored by
Abigail.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:16:01 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35C2188A.4AE2@min.net>
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>
> And a quick check to this
> one group will show everyone that you're a bitch.
Hey, now, no need to get sexist.
--
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:25:51 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c81a33.60043327@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 19:09:02 GMT, in article <6pt4oe$t91@fridge.shore.net>,
Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> wrote:
>
>: Worry about the log in your eye before you try to pick the splinter out
>: of Abigail's. Lines over eighty columns are pretty rude.
>
>Why don't you ever complain about Abigail's long (>80 character)
>signatures? Or is it OK when one of your buddies does it?
>
You just answered your own question.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:27:00 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c91a66.60094455@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:56:41 GMT, in article <6pt419$sfu@fridge.shore.net>,
Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> wrote:
>: : Someone comes looking for help and gets slammed!
>: : If you don't have anything nice to say ...
>
>: What about not judging a man until you've walked a mile in his boots?
>
>What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I've been reading this newsgroup
>for years, and I've never found newbies so offensive that I had to resort
>to personal insults. How exactly is Abigail's situation different from
>mine (or the other 99% of clpm readers who don't feel obliged to insult
>people who come here looking for help)??
Using truth and logic is so unfair scratchie. Why do you use such a tactic
with Bacon?
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:28:00 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35ca1aa6.60158742@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 18:58:15 GMT, in article <6pt447$sfu@fridge.shore.net>,
Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com> wrote:
>: sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
>
>:> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such
>:> animal
>
>: perlfaq8 deals extensively with the various ways in which you can
>: manipulate the tty.
>
>Now Jonathan... how is this supposed to help the man when you (a) pointed
>him to the specific portion of the FAQ that relates to his inquiry and (b)
>didn't insult him personally?
>
>And you call yourself an expert....
Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL! HOW
DARE THEY??????
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 12:33:40 -0700
From: hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt66k$3h1@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
In article <35ca1aa6.60158742@nntpd.databasix.com>,
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>On 31 Jul 1998 18:58:15 GMT, in article <6pt447$sfu@fridge.shore.net>,
>Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>
>>Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com> wrote:
>>: sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
>>
>>:> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such
>>:> animal
>>
>>: perlfaq8 deals extensively with the various ways in which you can
>>: manipulate the tty.
>>
>>Now Jonathan... how is this supposed to help the man when you (a) pointed
>>him to the specific portion of the FAQ that relates to his inquiry and (b)
>>didn't insult him personally?
>>
>>And you call yourself an expert....
>
>Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL! HOW
>DARE THEY??????
don't you guys do any work at work? 8^)
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:50:40 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35d61ff5.61517130@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 12:33:40 -0700, in article <6pt66k$3h1@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>,
hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano) wrote:
>In article <35ca1aa6.60158742@nntpd.databasix.com>,
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>>On 31 Jul 1998 18:58:15 GMT, in article <6pt447$sfu@fridge.shore.net>,
>>Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>: sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) writes:
>>>
>>>:> As a matter of fact I did check the faq and didn't find any such
>>>:> animal
>>>
>>>: perlfaq8 deals extensively with the various ways in which you can
>>>: manipulate the tty.
>>>
>>>Now Jonathan... how is this supposed to help the man when you (a) pointed
>>>him to the specific portion of the FAQ that relates to his inquiry and (b)
>>>didn't insult him personally?
>>>
>>>And you call yourself an expert....
>>
>>Isn't it horrible how some people in this group are actually HELPFUL! HOW
>>DARE THEY??????
>
>don't you guys do any work at work? 8^)
Yes, when I'm at work, I work. :)
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 20:26:19 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt99b$esh$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c20fb6.57357791@nntpd.databasix.com>:
++ On 31 Jul 1998 18:34:27 GMT, in article <6pt2nj$dav$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
++ abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
++
++ >Oh, he doesn't need your resume for that. A simple query on dejanews will
++ >be enough to reach that conclusion.
++
++
++ Yup. Note of course that ONLY those posts that I choose to have
++ non-X-no-archinve are there. Not comp group posts. And a quick check to thi
++ one group will show everyone that you're a bitch.
But you quoted in my posts. Which don't have X-no-archive. Which shows
your potential employer what a jerk you can be.
So, if you are really worried about a potential employer, you better
keep quiet.
Abigail
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 20:31:58 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pt9ju$esh$2@client3.news.psi.net>
Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c31029.57473125@nntpd.databasix.com>:
++ On 31 Jul 1998 18:26:22 GMT, in article <6pt28e$dav$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
++ abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
++
++ >Not reading the FAQs word for word before posting a question is rude
++ >in *any* newsgroup, not just this one.
++
++ Again, he read the faq and couldn't find an answer. Your post didn't _ASK_ if
++ he read the faq. Your post slammed him before he had a chance to say "I've
++ read the faq". Your post was rude and obnoxious. Most of your posts here
++ are. Even when you do answer a question, you answer it like a bitch.
If he has read the faq and missed that question, what does that say about
his reading abilities? What would be the point in cutting & pasting the
text from the faq into a posting when he's inable to read it anyway?
++ Besides, since there's SO MUCH in the FAQs, it's difficult to read through.
*ponder* What ever happened with "start at the beginning, read till the
end"? Or is it too difficult without animated gifs and background noises?
++ Again, I ask: Why can't you just NOT POST when someone asks a question that'
++ already been asked? Why must you demean new posters?
Because otherwise groups will get flooded by lazy people who cannot be
bothered by doing trivial research themselves. And that means that if
someone asks a real question, that isn't a FAQ, it can be missed.
++ Who assigned you as
++ guardian over this group or any other (other than you>?
Who assigned you?
++ Again, if you don't want to answer the question, why not just SHUT THE FUCK U
++ and let someone who WANTS to answer it answer it?
Why don't you just shut up?
Abigail
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:42:30 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c32c11.64617641@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 20:26:19 GMT, in article <6pt99b$esh$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>So, if you are really worried about a potential employer, you better
>keep quiet.
Do you PRACTICE at missing the point? I'm not worried. Not at all. It's just
that you make it look like ALL perl programmers are jerks.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:46:29 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c42c40.64664774@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 20:31:58 GMT, in article <6pt9ju$esh$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore (gburnore@databasix.com) wrote on MDCCXCV September
>MCMXCIII in <URL: news:35c31029.57473125@nntpd.databasix.com>:
>++ On 31 Jul 1998 18:26:22 GMT, in article <6pt28e$dav$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
>++ abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>++
>++ >Not reading the FAQs word for word before posting a question is rude
>++ >in *any* newsgroup, not just this one.
>++
>++ Again, he read the faq and couldn't find an answer. Your post didn't _ASK_ if
>++ he read the faq. Your post slammed him before he had a chance to say "I've
>++ read the faq". Your post was rude and obnoxious. Most of your posts here
>++ are. Even when you do answer a question, you answer it like a bitch.
>
>If he has read the faq and missed that question, what does that say about
>his reading abilities?
Nothing. It still says everything about your ability to post without being a
bitch about it.
>What would be the point in cutting & pasting the
>text from the faq into a posting when he's inable to read it anyway?
Who said anything about cutting and pasting. Again, if you can't answer the
question or answer it rudely, why not stfu and let someone else do it?
>
>++ Besides, since there's SO MUCH in the FAQs, it's difficult to read through.
>
>*ponder* What ever happened with "start at the beginning, read till the
>end"? Or is it too difficult without animated gifs and background noises?
What's difficult is to understand why you harass newbies. That's the point.
Not the faq, not if someone READ it or not. OR even understood it. The fact
that you felt the need to respond to it in the way you did. NOTHING ABOUT THE
OTHER PERSON. JUST YOU.
>
>++ Again, I ask: Why can't you just NOT POST when someone asks a question that'
>++ already been asked? Why must you demean new posters?
>
>Because otherwise groups will get flooded by lazy people who cannot be
>bothered by doing trivial research themselves. And that means that if
>someone asks a real question, that isn't a FAQ, it can be missed.
>
Horseshit. If you believe that, again I say, go to the moderated group. UNSUB
from this one. Let people who WANT to answer the question answer it.
What part of that don't you understand?
>++ Who assigned you as
>++ guardian over this group or any other (other than you>?
>
>Who assigned you?
>
>++ Again, if you don't want to answer the question, why not just SHUT THE FUCK U
>++ and let someone who WANTS to answer it answer it?
>
>Why don't you just shut up?
Because you attack new users. I've watched it for quite awhile and I won't
watch anymore. From now on, I'll comment. If you don't LIKE it, either
change your postings, killfile me or move on to the moderated group where your
attitude is acceptable behavior.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 20:41:38 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c22bf3.64588375@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 19:16:01 GMT, in article <35C2188A.4AE2@min.net>, John
Porter <jdporter@min.net> wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>
>> And a quick check to this
>> one group will show everyone that you're a bitch.
>
>Hey, now, no need to get sexist.
It's not sexist. Men can be bitches too.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 20:43:05 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pta8p$23h@fridge.shore.net>
Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
: If he has read the faq and missed that question, what does that say about
: his reading abilities?
Nothing that you can't point out insultingly, apparently.
: ++ Again, I ask: Why can't you just NOT POST when someone asks a question that'
: ++ already been asked? Why must you demean new posters?
: Because otherwise groups will get flooded by lazy people who cannot be
: bothered by doing trivial research themselves. And that means that if
: someone asks a real question, that isn't a FAQ, it can be missed.
I've got news for you, Abby, it's already happened. It got so bad that
some people decided to form a moderated group, remember?
While it may be a simple spirit of public service that moves you to
personally insult newbies to this group, somehow I suspect that you just
enjoy being a jerk. It bothers me a lot less to see a FAQ posted to this
(or any) newsgroup than it does to read the bile that spews out of your
newsreader; I suspect that most people feel the same way.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 10:41:54 -0700
From: Brad Murray <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <upveldijh.fsf@vansel.alcatel.com>
gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore) writes:
> Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
> So basically, the bitch jumped all over someone for something that wasn't
> easily discovered in the faqs without reading them word for word and/or
> already knowing everything there is to know about PERL.
You seem to exhibit similar behaviour, but with different triggers. Frankly,
I have more respect for the frustration of people who solve problems and
write docs that go unread than for those who simply whine about the nature
of a public and effectively anonymous communications medium. And I find
Abigail's posts a great deal of fun to read. Yours seem little more than
abusive whining---a winning combination if ever I've seen one.
--
"Never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat, Brad Murray
Never drive a car when you're dead." Software Analyst
(Tom Waits) Alcatel Canada
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:12:51 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c33325.66429947@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 20:43:05 GMT, in article <6pta8p$23h@fridge.shore.net>,
Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net> wrote:
>Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
>
>: If he has read the faq and missed that question, what does that say about
>: his reading abilities?
>
>Nothing that you can't point out insultingly, apparently.
>
>: ++ Again, I ask: Why can't you just NOT POST when someone asks a question that'
>: ++ already been asked? Why must you demean new posters?
>
>: Because otherwise groups will get flooded by lazy people who cannot be
>: bothered by doing trivial research themselves. And that means that if
>: someone asks a real question, that isn't a FAQ, it can be missed.
>
>I've got news for you, Abby, it's already happened. It got so bad that
>some people decided to form a moderated group, remember?
>
>While it may be a simple spirit of public service that moves you to
>personally insult newbies to this group, somehow I suspect that you just
>enjoy being a jerk. It bothers me a lot less to see a FAQ posted to this
>(or any) newsgroup than it does to read the bile that spews out of your
>newsreader; I suspect that most people feel the same way.
Brad and Bacon prove the execption to every rule. Brad thinks her posts are
fun to read and we already know all about Bacon.
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:10:54 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c23251.66218027@nntpd.databasix.com>
On 31 Jul 1998 10:41:54 -0700, in article <upveldijh.fsf@vansel.alcatel.com>,
Brad Murray <murrayb@vansel.alcatel.com> wrote:
>gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore) writes:
>
>> Well then maybe a slight modification to perlfaq8 would solve that problem.
>> So basically, the bitch jumped all over someone for something that wasn't
>> easily discovered in the faqs without reading them word for word and/or
>> already knowing everything there is to know about PERL.
>
>You seem to exhibit similar behaviour, but with different triggers.
Following up to her bitching is not the same as attacking a PERL newbie.
> Frankly,
>I have more respect for the frustration of people who solve problems and
>write docs that go unread than for those who simply whine about the nature
>of a public and effectively anonymous communications medium. And I find
>Abigail's posts a great deal of fun to read.
Fun to read a post where she pops off on someone for asking a question? Says a
lot abou you.
> Yours seem little more than
>abusive whining---a winning combination if ever I've seen one.
My posts to here are abrasive on purpose to make a point. The fact that you
don't understand that and that you think her posts abusing new Perl posters.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 14:36:37 -0700
From: hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6ptdd5$fi2@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
In article <35c32c11.64617641@nntpd.databasix.com>,
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>Do you PRACTICE at missing the point? I'm not worried. Not at all. It's just
>that you make it look like ALL perl programmers are jerks.
oh, come on now. does she really have that much power to affect the image of
ALL of us? i think not. but i'm not taking sides, i don't want to get involed
in this. i just thought that the generalization above was a bit much.
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 15:24:50 GMT
From: gbacon@cs.uah.edu (Greg Bacon)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6psnk2$18n$5@info.uah.edu>
[overly long lines chopped]
In article <35C0855E.82D3256E@interactive.ibm.com>,
John Call <johnc@interactive.ibm.com> writes:
: I thought once the "Perl Studs" got their .moderated group that any adv
: gave here would be a little less venomous. I guess not. You got the new
: be rude in there. If you give advice here then take the Tom P.'s approa
Worry about the log in your eye before you try to pick the splinter out
of Abigail's. Lines over eighty columns are pretty rude.
Did it occur to you that asking a FAQ after so many people have invested
so much time in creating a list of answers to FAQs so people would stop
asking FAQs is in itself incredibly rude? I guess not. :-(
If you want someone to hold your hand and read the FAQ to you, then
consider paying someone. This is not anyone's free helpdesk.
This group will be in a world of shit if you run all the experts off.
Be careful what you wish for.
Greg
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Date: 31 Jul 1998 14:41:17 -0700
From: hirano@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Kelly Hirano)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6ptdlt$g08@Xenon.Stanford.EDU>
In article <35c42c40.64664774@nntpd.databasix.com>,
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>On 31 Jul 1998 20:31:58 GMT, in article <6pt9ju$esh$2@client3.news.psi.net>,
>abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>>Why don't you just shut up?
>
>Because you attack new users. I've watched it for quite awhile and I won't
>watch anymore. From now on, I'll comment. If you don't LIKE it, either
>change your postings, killfile me or move on to the moderated group where your
>attitude is acceptable behavior.
i vote that they move this to private email. what do you all think?
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Date: 30 Jul 1998 16:29:39 GMT
From: sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pq71j$ap81@webint.na.informix.com>
In article <35bf78fc.22861389@news.videotron.net>, fhurtubi@videotron.net
says...
>
>On 29 Jul 1998 17:29:26 GMT, sstark@informix.com (Scott Stark) wrote:
>
>>Is there any way to make user input in a perl script invisible, or showing a
>>series of **** characters instead of what's typed? My script prompts the user
>>for a password and currently anyone watching can see the input.
>...
>If you meant on the command line...i have no clue
>
Yes, sorry I wasn't clearer, I meant at the command line.
ss
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:38:36 GMT
From: Daniel Grisinger <dgris@rand.dimensional.com>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6ptjqo$1qn$1@rand.dimensional.com>
In article <35c6f0e6.49468449@nntpd.databasix.com>
gburnore@databasix.com wrote:
[tons of idiocy and advocacy of rudeness snipped]
>As I remember, you're one of the moderators who's best response to people in
>news.groups was "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" (YES, DIRECT QUOTE>
Well, have you.
dgris
--
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"No kings, no presidents, just a rough consensus and
running code."
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Date: 01 Aug 1998 03:01:53 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <m3ogu5c966.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Gary L Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> writes:
> From the comments of folks like her and Bacon, folks in news.groups have
> the opinion that the "experts" here are jerks.
Who cares? Most of the rest of us think those busybodies in news.groups
are fascist control freaks who are trying to rule everything-- er, wait...
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Date: 1 Aug 1998 03:01:43 GMT
From: gebis@fee.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Gebis)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <6pu0en$fe7@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>
gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore) writes:
}It's clear that both of you have NO clue what the difference is between email
}and USENet. While you're all so happy to see abigail abuse new users and
}complaining that I say something about it you're being hypocrites by posting
}sending private email and then posting the reply to USENet.
}I'll be sure to Call both Stanford and Dartmouth on Monday and let the admins
}there know exactly what I think of your actions.
}USENet discussions belong in USENet. Not in email.
Whoa. I don't like abigail's attitude either, but not accepting
discussion via e-mail about an article posted on usenet is pretty
extreme too.
--
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:31:57 -0400
From: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <1dd3665.17sypj7107z09iN@bay1-241.quincy.ziplink.net>
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:05:33 -0400, in article
> <1dd1ufc.17axra21ttmh6oN@bay2-136.quincy.ziplink.net>, rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
> (Ronald J Kimball) wrote:
>
> >Per Gary Burnore's request:
>
> [private email posted to USEnet deleted]
>
> Ronald J Kimball is a _LIAR_. I did not give him permission nor request that
> he post my private email to him to USENet.
Not a lie, but a misinterpretation of your reply:
> USENet discussions belong in usenet. Further email from you will be
> considered harassment and will be reported as such to your provider.
You preferred to discuss this on USENet, so I posted it to USENet. I
apologize if that is not what you meant to say. You should choose your
words more carefully in the future.
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( /)//)//)(//)/( Ronald J Kimball chipmunk@m-net.arbornet.org
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:31:55 -0400
From: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <1dd35u2.17fditn1ap1n0gN@bay1-241.quincy.ziplink.net>
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
> It's clear that both of you have NO clue what the difference is between email
> and USENet. While you're all so happy to see abigail abuse new users and
> complaining that I say something about it you're being hypocrites by posting
> sending private email and then posting the reply to USENet.
I sent you a private email message. Your response told me to keep
USENet discussions on USENet. At your request, I posted to the
newsgroup in order to return the discussion to your preferred medium.
It seems to me that you are being hypocritical by rudely demanding that
I not send you email, then flaming me when I post in the newsgroup.
By the way, as I clearly stated in my email message to you, I am *not*
happy to see Abigail abusing new users. As I wrote, "You are right that
Abigail is unnecessarily rude to newbies, and it is a shame." I did not
complain that you said something about it; my complaint was that you
said it (rudely and repeatedly) *in the newsgroup*. Your posts were
directed at Abigail, and would have been more appropriate for email
instead of the newsgroup.
> USENet discussions belong in USENet. Not in email.
Yes, and, as you desired, this discussion is back on USENet. I'm not
sure what your complaint is now.
--
_ / ' _ / - aka - rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
( /)//)//)(//)/( Ronald J Kimball chipmunk@m-net.arbornet.org
/ http://www.ziplink.net/~rjk/
"It's funny 'cause it's true ... and vice versa."
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:31:52 -0400
From: rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu (Ronald J Kimball)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <1dd35pp.1t3g4fv2cp69yN@bay1-241.quincy.ziplink.net>
Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
> >i vote that they move this to private email. what do you all think?
>
> I think you should learn to use your news-reader's killfile feature.
There are three reasons why using a kill-file is not an optimanl
solution in this case.
1) The existence of kill-files does not justify off-topic posts.
2) Kill-filing on participants may delete other, useful posts from the
participants. Kill-filing on the thread may delete other, useful posts
on the original topic.
3) Even using kill-files, the newsreader must still download at least
the headers of every message in the newsgroup.
--
_ / ' _ / - aka - rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
( /)//)//)(//)/( Ronald J Kimball chipmunk@m-net.arbornet.org
/ http://www.ziplink.net/~rjk/
"It's funny 'cause it's true ... and vice versa."
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:53:10 GMT
From: gburnore@databasix.com (Gary L. Burnore)
Subject: Re: hiding user input
Message-Id: <35c8637d.144354188@nntpd.databasix.com>
On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:31:52 -0400, in article
<1dd35pp.1t3g4fv2cp69yN@bay1-241.quincy.ziplink.net>, rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
(Ronald J Kimball) wrote:
>Gary L. Burnore <gburnore@databasix.com> wrote:
>
>> >i vote that they move this to private email. what do you all think?
>>
>> I think you should learn to use your news-reader's killfile feature.
>
>There are three reasons why using a kill-file is not an optimanl
>solution in this case.
>
>1) The existence of kill-files does not justify off-topic posts.
The post isn't off topic if it's in re: users abusing others asking questions
in _THIS_ newsgroup.
>
>2) Kill-filing on participants may delete other, useful posts from the
>participants. Kill-filing on the thread may delete other, useful posts
>on the original topic.
True.
>3) Even using kill-files, the newsreader must still download at least
>the headers of every message in the newsgroup.
True.
I believe enough people have seen this thread and understand that some people
just don't think that SOME experts should treat newbies this way in this
group. Since abigail hasn't yet continued her abuse of new users, there's no
point continuing to point it out.
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