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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 98 12:00:38 -0700
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Today's topics:
Children from a fork call do not exit. <philip@cbrmain.cbr.nrc.ca>
Could somebody help me? <yukaari@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Could somebody help me? <yukaari@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Fetch problem?? <mspring@nortel.com>
Re: ftp using perl <mengel@fnal.gov>
Re: How can I anonymous array ref from split? <bgf@bgf.dod.no>
How Do I Access my Modules? <tturton@cowboys.anet-dfw.com>
Re: How Do I Access my Modules? <jaeger@deepfx.com>
OFF-TOPIC: Hosting svcs, which is best? (Soren Andersen)
Perl does not know how to build README file <josephs@fenix2.dol-esa.gov>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:55:25 -0300
From: Philip Denno <philip@cbrmain.cbr.nrc.ca>
Subject: Children from a fork call do not exit.
Message-Id: <35BCB0FD.79D5@cbrmain.cbr.nrc.ca>
I have written a script that creates a lot of children. At present the
children do not exit but become zombie processes ( which is a real pain
). The code is setup such that the parent makes the call to fork and
then returns. The child then makes a subroutine call and upon return
executes an exit statement. The parent still exists but is sleeping and
output from ps shows that the parent is still around.
This script is running on a Solaris running SunOS v5.6.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:29:26 -0800
From: yukari yamashita <yukaari@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Could somebody help me?
Message-Id: <35BCD514.D830A928@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
I as a perl beginner and experience C/C++ and Java programmer is writing
CGI scripts for my supervisor who is an ESL teacher. She wants to do
survey for new students over netscape and only the overall result sent
back to her after her whole class is done with the survey.
I guess if you keep the each result saved in a file and update the
result after each student is finished the survey and send back when the
last student is finished.
But, is it possible? If so, how can I try to do it? I tried to launch
C file, which reads a file and update the file, from .cgi file, but it
seems not to work for me.
I appreciate any suggestion sent to me.
Thank you.
Yukari Yamashita
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 11:26:56 -0800
From: yukari yamashita <yukaari@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Could somebody help me?
Message-Id: <35BCD47F.7C869FAB@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
I as a perl beginner and experience C/C++ and Java programmer is writing
CGI scripts for my supervisor who is an ESL teacher. She wants to do
survey for new students over netscape and only the overall result sent
back to her after her whole class is done with the survey.
I guess if you keep the each result saved in a file and update the
result after each student is finished the survey and send back when the
last student is finished.
But, is it possible? If so, how can I try to do it? I tried to launch
C file, which reads a file and update the file, from .cgi file, but it
seems not to work for me.
I appreciate any suggestion sent to me.
Thank you.
Yukari Yamashita
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Date: 27 Jul 1998 17:31:44 GMT
From: "Milan Spingl" <mspring@nortel.com>
Subject: Fetch problem??
Message-Id: <01bdb984$ade92000$6486bc2f@PBPDB857.ca.nortel.com>
Hi,
I'm using Perl 5.002 with Oraperl (v. 1.26) and DBI (v. 1.54) extensions
running under HP-UX 9.05 on a 9000/735 box. I have a SQL select statement
that takes about 8 mins to process when run in a SQL script and 4 hrs (!!)
when run in my Perl program. The kicker is, I have another almost an
identical statement that behaves no differently in a SQL script than it
does in the Perl program.
The syntax is as follows:
my $lda = &ora_login ($sid, $user, $pass) || die $ora_errstr;
my $contract_id = "X";
my $sql = <<SQL;
select contract
,product
where contract = '$contract_id'
SQL
my ($cont,$prod);
my $csr = &ora_open ($lda, $sql) || die $ora_errstr;
while (($cont,$prod)
= &ora_fetch($csr)) {
print join(';',$cont,$prod,"\n");
}
&ora_close ($csr);
&ora_logoff ($lda) || die $ora_errstr;
The above select is simplified. In reality it selects 9 fields from a
multiple join with an order by clause. It returns no data (which is
correct for the parameters I'm testing with). The $ora_errno after the
fetch is 0 (zero). Am I doing anything obviously stupid?
Thanks for your timeMilan mspring@nortel.com
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:38:08 -0500
From: Marc Mengel <mengel@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: ftp using perl
Message-Id: <35BCC910.DC59A493@fnal.gov>
Brian Dwornick wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to be able to make a script that would allow a user to
> access and edit a page on a different server through FTP. The user
> would give their username, password, and ftp server name. The script
> would then open the file and and allow the user to edit it with a html
> editor in the script. Then the user would be able to save the file to
> their ftp server.
>
> Can this be done with perl? I can't find it anywhere.
You should be able to do this easily with Net::FTP in the LWP
module bundle; you can login, get, put, etc. files. If you
want to do it via the libWWW tools (i.e. lwpdownload, etc.) you
need to specify an ftp URL with a login and password; which
looks like: ftp://user:password@host/path/to/file
> The problem is accessing and saving an un-anonymous FTP server.
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Date: 27 Jul 1998 20:06:58 +0200
From: Bgf <bgf@bgf.dod.no>
Subject: Re: How can I anonymous array ref from split?
Message-Id: <87emv7183h.fsf@bgf.dod.no>
Joe Davison <jwdavison@lucent.com> writes:
> What I want, almost:
>
> my($pstring, %daPerms);
>
> while(<>) {
> chomp();
> $pstring=$_; # For instance, $pstring="13254";
> @aPerm = split "", $pstring;
> $daPerms{$pstring} = \@aPerm;
> }
>
> I want to build a hashtable with values that are references to arrays of
> small integers (permutations), and keys that are the external
> representations.
>
> What I wrote doesn't work, because all the values are references to the
> single array @aPerm, which gets overwritten each new line.
You could have used 'my @aPerm' inside the while loop to get a new
instance of the array each time around.
> I tried, among other things:
> $daPerms{$pstring} = split("", $pstring);
This one is closer, try
$daPerms{$pstring} = [ split("", $pstring) ];
to put the list from split into an anonymous array and return the
reference.
> Thanks for a clue...
You're welcome
//Bxrre
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:18:09 -0500
From: Tom Turton <tturton@cowboys.anet-dfw.com>
Subject: How Do I Access my Modules?
Message-Id: <35BCC460.2B334FA1@cowboys.anet-dfw.com>
All right, Idiot Question #509...
No doubt I'm probably being dense here, but I've looked throught the man
pages, the faq, and the much maligned book "Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21
Days". I'm befuddled by how to reference Modules within your own
directory structures.
My directory structure is something like this:
/home/tturton/PERL/CROSSINGS
/home/tturton/PERL/MyPerlLib
In /MyPerlLib, I have a Module called Airline.pm
Within the file Airline.pm I have:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
package MyPerlLib::Airline;
require Exporter
@ISA = qw(Exporter);
@EXPORT = qw(lookup);
@EXPORT_OK = qw($lookup);
sub lookup {
[normal subroutine stuff]
}
Now, if under /home/tturton/PERL I have a Perl script, what_airline.pl,
which looks like:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
use MyPerlLib::Airline;
$found = lookup($id);
--------------
Then everything works as it should. Evidently I've stumbled upon the
correct Perl commands to let it know that the module it wants is in the
subdirectory below.
Now what I am having problems doing, is in calling the same Perl script
from the /home/tturton/PERL/CROSSING subdirectory, i.e.
from within /home/tturton/PERL/CROSSING, I enter:
../what_airline.pl aal
Error msg: Can't locate MyPerlLib/Airline.pm in @INC etc,etc
My question is, how do I (can I?) explicitly tell my Perl script where
to find my module?
Thank you.
---Tom Turton
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 20:25:23 +0200
From: "Ralph Jaeger" <jaeger@deepfx.com>
Subject: Re: How Do I Access my Modules?
Message-Id: <6piekt$ibm$1@news.seicom.net>
Hi,
you can either extend the @inc or you can use
use lib 'mydirectorywheremyperllibsarein';
ralph
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Tom Turton schrieb in Nachricht <35BCC460.2B334FA1@cowboys.anet-dfw.com>...
>All right, Idiot Question #509...
>
>No doubt I'm probably being dense here, but I've looked throught the man
>pages, the faq, and the much maligned book "Teach Yourself Perl 5 in 21
>Days". I'm befuddled by how to reference Modules within your own
>directory structures.
>
>My directory structure is something like this:
>
>/home/tturton/PERL/CROSSINGS
>/home/tturton/PERL/MyPerlLib
>
>In /MyPerlLib, I have a Module called Airline.pm
>Within the file Airline.pm I have:
>
>#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
>
>package MyPerlLib::Airline;
>require Exporter
>@ISA = qw(Exporter);
>@EXPORT = qw(lookup);
>@EXPORT_OK = qw($lookup);
>
>sub lookup {
> [normal subroutine stuff]
>}
>
>Now, if under /home/tturton/PERL I have a Perl script, what_airline.pl,
>which looks like:
>
>#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
>
>use MyPerlLib::Airline;
>
>$found = lookup($id);
>
>--------------
>
>Then everything works as it should. Evidently I've stumbled upon the
>correct Perl commands to let it know that the module it wants is in the
>subdirectory below.
>
>Now what I am having problems doing, is in calling the same Perl script
>from the /home/tturton/PERL/CROSSING subdirectory, i.e.
>
>from within /home/tturton/PERL/CROSSING, I enter:
>
> ../what_airline.pl aal
>
>Error msg: Can't locate MyPerlLib/Airline.pm in @INC etc,etc
>
>My question is, how do I (can I?) explicitly tell my Perl script where
>to find my module?
>
>Thank you.
>
>---Tom Turton
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:27:18 -0400
From: sorentin@sprynet.com (Soren Andersen)
Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Hosting svcs, which is best?
Message-Id: <6pigq8$g04@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
Since this newsgroup is being used by a lot of advanced Web site
administrators, designers and programmers, I am asking an off-topic
question here in hopes that the level of knowledgeability in the
responses will be high. Sorry in advance to all those who may think that
this is a misuse of the group or of the news server bandwidth. In
reality, i think that the question is relevant (even if only
tangentially) to the concerns of many readers of this group.
I would like to solicit from readers some recommendations for Web site
hosting providers (NOT necessarily Dial-up ISPs) with whom readers feel
they have had especially good experiences (or maybe, warnings about ones
with whom they feel they have had especially bad experiences!). By a
"Hosting Provider" I mean a business that provides web page server space
AND, preferably, Domain hosting (http://yourowndomain.[com|org|net|etc])
AND preferably custom CGI, telnet login, etc.
I am interested in ones that provide large amounts of server space at
really good cheap rates as well as the above features.
TIA, and please feel free to email private replies to
soren@wonderstorm.com if you would like to help but DON'T feel that this
is a suitable thread to continue publically here on the newsgroup.
soren andersen
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 14:57:16 -0400
From: "Chuanlarp Satchavarodom" <josephs@fenix2.dol-esa.gov>
Subject: Perl does not know how to build README file
Message-Id: <6piipn$2rv$1@supernews.com>
Dear All,
I downloaded perl recently tried to compile it. The configuration
went okay, but I when I tried to make it. The making process stopped almost
immediately saying that it does not know how to make perl README file.
How do I resolve this? Thank you so much.
Joseph
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:14:54 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjn$inj29@scotty.tinet.ie>
finally someone who agrees with me
i have read lots about AIDS being invented,and try to stick with the
evidence,in this case their isnt much
it is claimed to be a population controll of the 3rd world country,their has
been lots of documents about their old opinions of the 3rd world
country,that it might have gone wrong,
i doubt that,but all we can say is we dont know for sure,and cant jump to
conclusions
Im quite sure that alot of it is disinformation to confuse us,but really
cant think of something more sinister than the goverment having relations
with people from another world
PS- I know these posts are totally off the topic but lets face it,their
hasnt been much really interesting posts here for a while.
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Dave wrote in message <35BCE6B4.4A99@cqm.co.uk>...
>Hmmm..
>
>That's not all..
>
>How many ppl in the group are willing to believe the fact that the AIDS
>virus was NOT ACCIDENTAL. After reading a txt file recently of a
>supposed interview that took place in America, it was revealed that the
>AIDS virus could either be the result of chemical warfare research gone
>wrong or a attempt at population control by the US Government.
>
>Personally, I'm more willing to believe the latter. Both government's
>are all back-stabbing bastards and nobody will ever change my opinion on
>that.
>
>Makes you think though, does'nt it. How many more secrets has the
>government kept from us over the years. Why are they so afraid of ppl
>like ourselves, are they afraid we might uncover something we should'nt.
>
>I think we all might have the idea that all this shit about secret bases
>in Nevada could be rumoured by the government themselves to cover up
>something a bit more sinister.
>
>I am now going to shutup before this posting begins to sound like some
>bad episode of the X-Files...
>
>Dave
>
>PS : I'm moving to London soon all the way from Paisley, Scotland, what
>the scene like down there and what about the 2600 Meets at the
>Trocadero?
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:07:16 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjm$inj28@scotty.tinet.ie>
that stuff about using cloneing for medical reasons is all very good but can
you imagine the bad things that can be done?
think what hitler would do if he had that capability?
millions and millions of the perfect fighter!
then theirs the moral aspect but this dosent matter because its going to be
done anyway,its like giving a child a toy and telling him he cant use it.
mabye its been done already?,the fact is nobody knows!
i saw a program a while back about a guy who wanted to clone humans,he wasnt
allowed by the goverment,but in texas it is still legal,he said he would
move his research to texas and do it their if he had to and was not giving
up.
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Nobody wrote in message <6pgq6h$lvm@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>I agree completely. Just like the research in non-lethal weapons.
Ultrasonic,
>Vortex, and Laser research done my our government is very important. As
for
>corporations doing research like this, well it all depends on the
corporation. I
>mean if a corporation where to research genetics and cloning, I sure they
could get
>a lot of profit. I mean useable organs are very costly and if a
corporation where
>able to mass produce, let's take hearts, hearts then they could make a lot
of
>money. Now if you are going to say that such a feat is impossible, then
look at
>the mice they cloned recently. 24 clones and some where clones of clones.
>Interesting ain't it.
>
>- wrote:
>
>> Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow> Said this:
>>
>> >Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base which
also
>> >known as Area 51???!!??
>>
>> Exactly, another flaw in the whole story - they abandoned that
>> facility at least 2 years ago after they finally figured it's cover
>> was completely blown. I believe the skunk works and all the other
>> black projects are in Colorado or New Mexico now.
>>
>> And oh yeah.... black projects aren't all the big a deal. I for one
>> am glad they exist - I can't imagine how some commercial and "real
>> world" technologies would become available if the government didn't
>> fund this sort of advanced, almost surreal research. I can't see a
>> GM, or a GE, or a Microsoft funding the same kind of research, since
>> most of the projects probably get scrapped after a few years and a few
>> hundred million dollars. Corporations can't afford such "frivolous"
>> research, they need ROI (return on Investment).
>>
>> >
>> >Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key wrote:
>> >
>> >> blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>> >> <6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >> >Okay...
>> >> >
>> >> >A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed for
me to
>> >> >let everyone know what she has seen.
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:57:16 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigji$inj26@scotty.tinet.ie>
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which bit did i make unclear?
the bob lazar stuff?
well he is a guy who claims to of worked on UFOs their.whats more to =
explain?
as for the buying of freedom ridge the obvious reason was because it was =
the only place people could get a good luck of the base
it isnt abandoned,because my next door neighbour has been in Nelis AFB =
(beside the main area of interest but still inside area 51)
he said that the signs saying that force can be used are becuase they =
play war games testing bombs etc,
my reply to him was: why would they shoot you because they dont want you =
to get hurt?
wether they still/ever did have UFOs their is another point,i think that =
if they at one stage did,i doubt they still do after all the media hype
PS-dont bother wasting bandwidth by pointing out every mispelt word,try =
to concentrate on mistakes in my "ansewer".
--=20
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Nobody wrote in message <6pgpm3$j8s@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Actually Area 51 was used as an experimental air force base. The =
F-117A was first launched there without those stablizing fins in th =
back. This resulted in a crash near the base. I really don't know what =
the heck your talking about in the middle. But as for the 118th element =
stuff and how those kinds of elements are very unstable. I do know =
something about that. Physicists speculate that their many be some =
elements about 105 that can be stable. In a physics book that I have, =
it shows a graph of stablity of the elements from 1 to 100. I wish I =
could scan that image but I don't have a scanner. In any case, all of =
this is theorical and thus can be regarded as bullsh*t till it's proven. =
It's just my 2 cents.=20
BTW if what you say is true about the military base, explain why the =
U.S. Military is very interested in buying up Freedom Ridge and the =
surrounding area of the old airbase, Area 51. And while your at it, if =
they say that the base is truly abandon then why do they have all that =
"shoot first, ask question later" policy enforced? Just some simple =
questions for you to ponder.=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>which bit =
did i make=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>the bob lazar stuff?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>well he is a guy who claims =
to of=20
worked on UFOs their.whats more to explain?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>as for the buying of =
freedom ridge the=20
obvious reason was because it was the only place people could get a good =
luck of=20
the base</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>it isnt abandoned,because =
my next door=20
neighbour has been in Nelis AFB (beside the main area of interest but =
still=20
inside area 51)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>he said that the signs =
saying that=20
force can be used are becuase they play war games testing bombs=20
etc,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>my reply to him was: why =
would they=20
shoot you because they dont want you to get hurt?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>wether they still/ever did =
have UFOs=20
their is another point,i think that if they at one stage did,i doubt =
they still=20
do after all the media hype</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2>PS-dont bother wasting =
bandwidth by=20
pointing out every mispelt word,try to concentrate on mistakes in my=20
"ansewer".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:6pgpm3$j8s@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net">6pgpm3$j8s@bgtnsc02.=
worldnet.att.net</A>>...</DIV>Actually=20
Area 51 was used as an experimental air force base. The F-117A =
was=20
first launched there without those stablizing fins in th back. =
This=20
resulted in a crash near the base. I really don't know what =
the heck=20
your talking about in the middle. But as for the 118th element =
stuff=20
and how those kinds of elements are very unstable. I do know =
something=20
about that. Physicists speculate that their many be some =
elements=20
about 105 that can be stable. In a physics book that I have, =
it shows=20
a graph of stablity of the elements from 1 to 100. I wish I =
could scan=20
that image but I don't have a scanner. In any case, all of =
this is=20
theorical and thus can be regarded as bullsh*t till it's =
proven. It's=20
just my 2 cents.=20
<P>BTW if what you say is true about the military base, explain why =
the U.S.=20
Military is very interested in buying up Freedom Ridge and the =
surrounding=20
area of the old airbase, Area 51. And while your at it, if =
they say=20
that the base is truly abandon then why do they have all that =
"shoot=20
first, ask question later" policy enforced? Just some =
simple=20
questions for you to ponder. <BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:44:12 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjf$inj24@scotty.tinet.ie>
yeah i know......sorry
i dont like spell checkers if thats what you are sarcasticly trying to say
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- wrote in message <35bbe45b.71386128@news2.cais.com>...
>"Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com> Said this:
>
>>true
>>amazing what scientists can do with money
>>is anyone familar with Nikola Tesla?
>>a man totally ahead of his time
>>he was able to use electricity in a controllable form and without him we
may
>>be in the dark ages
>>like many other people like him he was ridiculed mainly because people
>>couldnt yet grasp his way of thinking,he made a Tesla coil
>>a rod which is supposed to create earthquakes,he has rumoured to be the
>>cause of many earthequakes in his time and again if anyone knows about Aum
>>Shinryko the japanese cult that gassed the tokyo subways with sarin gas
they
>>will know that Aum members were testing a remake of the tesla coil in the
>>desert which was never prooven cos Nicola was stoped and became a hermit
>>towards the end of his life before proveing his invention
>>only now is he apretiated
>>ive gone out on a limb here but my main point is not to assume that it is
of
>>ET origin just because someone is ahead of their years
>>
>
>You shuwd git a dikshunaree sos yew kewd lern two spell beter.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:42:32 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigje$inj23@scotty.tinet.ie>
este grupo es solo para habla inglesa
lo siento.
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>?Este grupo no es de habla espaqola?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:48:59 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjg$inj25@scotty.tinet.ie>
as i said before,i make mistakes when typing fast and didnt have the time to
look back over it.
if you can understand what im trying to say why not criticize that instead
of every mistaken letter?
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- wrote in message <35bbe6ff.72062558@news2.cais.com>...
>"Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com> Said this:
>
>>I guess im out and out mad then!
>>although unlike the original poster im prity sure i know what im talking
>>about.
>>
>>
>>> There's no point in arguing with him or trying to convince him of
the
>>>absurdity of his views. You're not arguing with a person capable of
reason,
>>>but with a faulty dopaminergic synapse. (Or with a troll impersonating a
>>>person with faulty dopaminergic synapses, which is just as pointless.)
>>>
>>> These folks do show up on Usenet occasionally. Schizophrenia is
>>common.
>>>One percent of every population that has been studied suffers from it. It
>>is
>>>a tragic and disabling disease. This fellow deserves our sympathy, but
>>>there's no point in arguing with him or getting angry with him.
>>>
>
>
>
>Is there anything in Schizophrenia that affects cognitive abilities,
>oh say like, I don't know? Maybe SPELLING?
>
>I've noticed that these nuts always have serious trouble with
>spelling. I mean, I'll admit sometimes swapping my I's and E's but my
>god, "prity"? Even my 5 year old nephew can spell pretty
>
>I sugjest that yu git a dikshunaree and lern how two spell!!! If yew
>cannt afored wun, then at leest leev that caben in tha hollow yew liv
>in, join civilizashun fore a wyl and mabbe yew will lern too spell
>that way
>
>
>I went to college in West Virginia, I didn't realize they had internet
>access up in those hollows.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:00:52 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjj$inj27@scotty.tinet.ie>
i disagree,i know for a fact that it isnt abandoned,as my neighbour has been
their not so long ago,if you dont believe me i can get the photo's off him
and scan them for you.
as for black projects the reason they get so much attention and dislike is
because the funding that goes into them is from taxpayers paying more
eg: the stealth bomber was supposed to of cost tax payers as much as 50
billion dollars.
and besides people like to think that they are being told everything,its
human nature: "if that was happening i would know about it"
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- wrote in message <35bbe5a8.71718903@news2.cais.com>...
>Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow> Said this:
>
>>Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base which
also
>>known as Area 51???!!??
>
>Exactly, another flaw in the whole story - they abandoned that
>facility at least 2 years ago after they finally figured it's cover
>was completely blown. I believe the skunk works and all the other
>black projects are in Colorado or New Mexico now.
>
>And oh yeah.... black projects aren't all the big a deal. I for one
>am glad they exist - I can't imagine how some commercial and "real
>world" technologies would become available if the government didn't
>fund this sort of advanced, almost surreal research. I can't see a
>GM, or a GE, or a Microsoft funding the same kind of research, since
>most of the projects probably get scrapped after a few years and a few
>hundred million dollars. Corporations can't afford such "frivolous"
>research, they need ROI (return on Investment).
>
>
>>
>>Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key wrote:
>>
>>> blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>>> <6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>> >Okay...
>>> >
>>> >A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed for
me to
>>> >let everyone know what she has seen.
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:20:43 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pigjo$inj30@scotty.tinet.ie>
I agree about the need to feel important part of your point,
but I must of read about 3000 pages of stuff related to this and their
really is evidence,sure their is alot of bullshit their to confuse you.
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- wrote in message <35bca10b.119513682@news2.cais.com>...
>Dave <davidmcg@cqm.co.uk> Said this:
>
>>Hmmm..
>>
>>That's not all..
>>
>>How many ppl in the group are willing to believe the fact that the AIDS
>>virus was NOT ACCIDENTAL. After reading a txt file recently of a
>>supposed interview that took place in America, it was revealed that the
>>AIDS virus could either be the result of chemical warfare research gone
>>wrong or a attempt at population control by the US Government.
>
>Oh geez.
>
>>
>>Personally, I'm more willing to believe the latter. Both government's
>>are all back-stabbing bastards and nobody will ever change my opinion on
>>that.
>>
>>Makes you think though, does'nt it. How many more secrets has the
>>government kept from us over the years. Why are they so afraid of ppl
>>like ourselves, are they afraid we might uncover something we should'nt.
>
>Afraid? Get real. No government is afraid of it's people. Think
>about it. "Democracy"? What, like your vote is going to affect the
>balance of power? Please. Popular elections and the entire concept
>of a democracy is just there to placate us while the government keeps
>doing what it does best, which is GOVERN. Big whoopdeedoo.
>
>>
>>I think we all might have the idea that all this shit about secret bases
>>in Nevada could be rumoured by the government themselves to cover up
>>something a bit more sinister.
>
>Please. I live outside D.C., and I hang around with people employed
>at NSA, Fema, the Pentagon, and every where else - the government is
>definitely not trying to hide anything. If anything, it's trying to
>push more and more in your face so you will be so fucking scared: of
>crime, of disease, of this, of that, so that you will gladly sit back
>and let them make more laws. But to be totally honest, a government is
>not an entity in the sense that it can plan in that capacity. A
>government is a collection of many disparate agencies, offices, and
>"leaderships". To think that a cohesive (and devious) plan would come
>from all that is ridiculous. In fact, it might just be the lack of
>organization among all the various parts of the government that
>creates the appearance of some sinister plot.
>
>The basic idea of a conspiracy stems from a person's need to feel
>important. If there's a conspiracy, it helps legitimize their view of
>the world revolving around them. Trust me, you mean nothing to the
>government, I mean nothing to the government, neither of us means
>anything, even to the next guy. Everyone's insignificant, nobody is
>the center of the universe. Most of the general public, having never
>actually emerged from the dark ages like those of us in the top 2% of
>the intellectual class, don't want to accept the fact that they are
>inconsequential, insignificant, and most definitely not the primary
>focus of at least one government agency. I suppose it makes them feel
>"valid" or something.
>
>>
>>I am now going to shutup before this posting begins to sound like some
>>bad episode of the X-Files...
>>
>
>Wouldn't life be great if it happened the way some drug-affected,
>low-salaried script writer envisioned it?
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:39:42 +0100
From: "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pihsb$oqc$1@heliodor.xara.net>
Firestarter wrote in message <6pigjn$inj29@scotty.tinet.ie>...
>finally someone who agrees with me
>i have read lots about AIDS being invented,and try to stick with the
>evidence,in this case their isnt much
I thought that AIDS is a metamorphosis of a disease carried by a specific
bread of monkey in Africa somewhere. I can remember where I heard but it
was something to do with contact between these monkeys and humans, someone
said sexual but I doubt it. Aids is apparently only deadly to humans and
this one bread of monkeys. NOT apes..Monkeys.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 19:40:37 +0100
From: "Elektrify" <Elektrify@ricknn.globalnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pihu9$ot3$1@heliodor.xara.net>
UH... UH HU HU RICO SUAVE'
J. Parera wrote in message <6pi7k7$4i6$1@talia.mad.ibernet.es>...
>?Este grupo no es de habla espaqola?
>
>
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