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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 3260 Volume: 8
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Sun Jul 26 23:28:23 1998
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 98 20:02:34 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 26 Jul 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 3260
Today's topics:
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <slithey@pond.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People (-)
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People (-)
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People (-)
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People (-)
Re: Sort <sdh1@anchor.hotmail.com>
Re: Using the hash (Martien Verbruggen)
Special: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 12 Mar 98 (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 23:08:57 GMT
From: "Slithey Tove" <slithey@pond.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <dGOu1.333$nZ.1140492@newsread.com>
- wrote in message <35ba30e3.154647824@news2.cais.com>...
>"Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key" <daniel@all-keys.demon.co.uk> Said this:
>
>>
>>blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>><6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>>Okay...
>>>
>>>A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed for me
to
>>>let everyone know what she has seen.
>>>
>>>
>>>---------
>>>
>>>
>>>Remember the SR-71, created and operational in the 1950's and
de-classified
>>>in the 1990's??? In 1950, conventional science and technology could
never
>>>have designed the SR-71, yet a SUPER SECRET facility out in the Nevada
>>desert
>>>was it's birthplace. This technology in 1950, quote "did not exist"
>>unquote.
>>> Any sighting of the SR-71 was excused as fantasy and the product of
>>>hallucinations.
>> ------------- snip----------------
>>
>>
>>OK, I've read this post three times and it still makes minimal sense, but
I
>>have a question for the voices in your head. What is it about the SR-71
that
>>could not have been built in the late 60's-early 70's (when it was
>>*actually* designed/constructed) ?
>>--
>
>I suppose this person is not very proficient in the science of
>constructing a plausible conspiracy theory.
<remainder deleted>
No, because this person is a schizophrenic. Either that, or a troll who
has worked with schizophrenics and knows how they think. His penultimate
paragraph is a textbook example of a common schizophrenic delusion, 'thought
insertion' and 'thought deletion' by radio control.
There's no point in arguing with him or trying to convince him of the
absurdity of his views. You're not arguing with a person capable of reason,
but with a faulty dopaminergic synapse. (Or with a troll impersonating a
person with faulty dopaminergic synapses, which is just as pointless.)
These folks do show up on Usenet occasionally. Schizophrenia is common.
One percent of every population that has been studied suffers from it. It is
a tragic and disabling disease. This fellow deserves our sympathy, but
there's no point in arguing with him or getting angry with him.
-- Tove
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:20:31 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pge4g$n5i17@scotty.tinet.ie>
yeah it isnt h/p related at all,slightly to do with confusing but i guess it
only got replied to because some people find it interesting aswell
yeah it isnt h/p related at all,slightly to do with confusing but i guess it
only got replied to because some people find it interesting aswell
*snicker*
--
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Wum Sun wrote in message
<901465804.27563.0.nnrp-01.c1ed4c0a@news.demon.co.uk>...
>Could someone explain the hacking/phreaking connection here please or is
>it that this thread is in the wrong newsgroup ?
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:36:03 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pgfh1$n5i20@scotty.tinet.ie>
the name dates back to a long time ago when different sections of america
had different codes (probably military sections only)
its also called dreamland and a section of it (nelis AFB)is "official"
basicly its a base that was supposed not to exist
yet they bought over a mountain called freedom ridge,which was the only
place you could see the center (groom lake) at night from
so people asked why they would buy over a place that dosent exist and not
let people within 26 miles of an area the size of switzerland
in ehhh......95 a guy called bob lazar claimed to have worked their and said
lots of interesting stories about the propulsion system the craft they use
their,with help from the "greys" might i add.
well nearby area 51 is a company called SAIC,they specialize in anti gravity
propulsion engine's (dont even go their!)bob lazar's story has alot of holes
eg: he also claimed to stanton friedman (a ufologist)that they use something
like the 118th elementh,this has got to be bullshit as elements that hight
up the periodic table are too unstable to last for more than a few
milliseconds.his wife left him and id say he is making alot of money from
his stories,this is a shame as some people think that because of one man
their musnt be any aliens after all.
the evidence shows a different story.
hope that helped you :)
--
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phie site: http://dac.org/users/phie/right.html
phie zine: http://phiezine.zeris.net/
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Nobody wrote in message <6pfon9$6p1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base which
also
>known as Area 51???!!??
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 00:59:35 +0100
From: "Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pgg5k$n5i24@scotty.tinet.ie>
I guess im out and out mad then!
although unlike the original poster im prity sure i know what im talking
about.
--
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Slithey Tove wrote in message ...
>
>- wrote in message <35ba30e3.154647824@news2.cais.com>...
>>"Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key" <daniel@all-keys.demon.co.uk> Said this:
>>
>>>
>>>blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>>><6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>>>Okay...
>>>>
>>>>A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed for me
>to
>>>>let everyone know what she has seen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>---------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Remember the SR-71, created and operational in the 1950's and
>de-classified
>>>>in the 1990's??? In 1950, conventional science and technology could
>never
>>>>have designed the SR-71, yet a SUPER SECRET facility out in the Nevada
>>>desert
>>>>was it's birthplace. This technology in 1950, quote "did not exist"
>>>unquote.
>>>> Any sighting of the SR-71 was excused as fantasy and the product of
>>>>hallucinations.
>>> ------------- snip----------------
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I've read this post three times and it still makes minimal sense, but
>I
>>>have a question for the voices in your head. What is it about the SR-71
>that
>>>could not have been built in the late 60's-early 70's (when it was
>>>*actually* designed/constructed) ?
>>>--
>>
>>I suppose this person is not very proficient in the science of
>>constructing a plausible conspiracy theory.
>
><remainder deleted>
>
> No, because this person is a schizophrenic. Either that, or a troll
who
>has worked with schizophrenics and knows how they think. His penultimate
>paragraph is a textbook example of a common schizophrenic delusion,
'thought
>insertion' and 'thought deletion' by radio control.
>
> There's no point in arguing with him or trying to convince him of the
>absurdity of his views. You're not arguing with a person capable of reason,
>but with a faulty dopaminergic synapse. (Or with a troll impersonating a
>person with faulty dopaminergic synapses, which is just as pointless.)
>
> These folks do show up on Usenet occasionally. Schizophrenia is
common.
>One percent of every population that has been studied suffers from it. It
is
>a tragic and disabling disease. This fellow deserves our sympathy, but
>there's no point in arguing with him or getting angry with him.
>
>-- Tove
>
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:23:05 GMT
From: root.noharvest.\@not_even\here.com (-)
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <35bbe45b.71386128@news2.cais.com>
"Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com> Said this:
>true
>amazing what scientists can do with money
>is anyone familar with Nikola Tesla?
>a man totally ahead of his time
>he was able to use electricity in a controllable form and without him we may
>be in the dark ages
>like many other people like him he was ridiculed mainly because people
>couldnt yet grasp his way of thinking,he made a Tesla coil
>a rod which is supposed to create earthquakes,he has rumoured to be the
>cause of many earthequakes in his time and again if anyone knows about Aum
>Shinryko the japanese cult that gassed the tokyo subways with sarin gas they
>will know that Aum members were testing a remake of the tesla coil in the
>desert which was never prooven cos Nicola was stoped and became a hermit
>towards the end of his life before proveing his invention
>only now is he apretiated
>ive gone out on a limb here but my main point is not to assume that it is of
>ET origin just because someone is ahead of their years
>
You shuwd git a dikshunaree sos yew kewd lern two spell beter.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:37:11 -0400
From: Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pgp3q$evm@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
Ah... some enlightenment finally. I see. I don't suppose we could get more
information on this person and send them off to Charter. Too bad. All this
technology and yet we still have crazy people about.
Slithey Tove wrote:
>
>
>
> No, because this person is a schizophrenic. Either that, or a troll who
> has worked with schizophrenics and knows how they think. His penultimate
> paragraph is a textbook example of a common schizophrenic delusion, 'thought
> insertion' and 'thought deletion' by radio control.
>
> There's no point in arguing with him or trying to convince him of the
> absurdity of his views. You're not arguing with a person capable of reason,
> but with a faulty dopaminergic synapse. (Or with a troll impersonating a
> person with faulty dopaminergic synapses, which is just as pointless.)
>
> These folks do show up on Usenet occasionally. Schizophrenia is common.
> One percent of every population that has been studied suffers from it. It is
> a tragic and disabling disease. This fellow deserves our sympathy, but
> there's no point in arguing with him or getting angry with him.
>
> -- Tove
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:27:37 GMT
From: root.noharvest.\@not_even\here.com (-)
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <35bbe531.71599717@news2.cais.com>
"Wum Sun" <wuns@sum.wer.co.uk> Said this:
>Could someone explain the hacking/phreaking connection here please or is
>this thread in the wrong newsgroup ?
>
>
>
look at the list of newsgroups (I know, hardly anyone ever does) this
was crossposted in 4 completely unrelated newsgroups.
How it connects is that the whole fictionalized story is so completely
disconnected from itself that it's lack of cohesive thought allows it
to be posted in any random newsgroup, since there is no logical
relationship to anything in the first place.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:32:25 GMT
From: root.noharvest.\@not_even\here.com (-)
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <35bbe5a8.71718903@news2.cais.com>
Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow> Said this:
>Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base which also
>known as Area 51???!!??
Exactly, another flaw in the whole story - they abandoned that
facility at least 2 years ago after they finally figured it's cover
was completely blown. I believe the skunk works and all the other
black projects are in Colorado or New Mexico now.
And oh yeah.... black projects aren't all the big a deal. I for one
am glad they exist - I can't imagine how some commercial and "real
world" technologies would become available if the government didn't
fund this sort of advanced, almost surreal research. I can't see a
GM, or a GE, or a Microsoft funding the same kind of research, since
most of the projects probably get scrapped after a few years and a few
hundred million dollars. Corporations can't afford such "frivolous"
research, they need ROI (return on Investment).
>
>Daniel (dS=dQ/T) Key wrote:
>
>> blowclinton@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>> <6pc4eu$32r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >Okay...
>> >
>> >A friend of mine, whose identity must remain anonymous has agreed for me to
>> >let everyone know what she has seen.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 22:46:55 -0400
From: Nobody <somewhere@over.the.rainbow>
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <6pgpm3$j8s@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>
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Actually Area 51 was used as an experimental air force base. The F-117A was
first launched there without those stablizing fins in th back. This resulted in
a crash near the base. I really don't know what the heck your talking about in
the middle. But as for the 118th element stuff and how those kinds of elements
are very unstable. I do know something about that. Physicists speculate that
their many be some elements about 105 that can be stable. In a physics book
that I have, it shows a graph of stablity of the elements from 1 to 100. I wish
I could scan that image but I don't have a scanner. In any case, all of this is
theorical and thus can be regarded as bullsh*t till it's proven. It's just my 2
cents.
BTW if what you say is true about the military base, explain why the U.S.
Military is very interested in buying up Freedom Ridge and the surrounding area
of the old airbase, Area 51. And while your at it, if they say that the base is
truly abandon then why do they have all that "shoot first, ask question later"
policy enforced? Just some simple questions for you to ponder.
Firestarter wrote:
> the name dates back to a long time ago when different sections of america
> had different codes (probably military sections only)
> its also called dreamland and a section of it (nelis AFB)is "official"
> basicly its a base that was supposed not to exist
> yet they bought over a mountain called freedom ridge,which was the only
> place you could see the center (groom lake) at night from
> so people asked why they would buy over a place that dosent exist and not
> let people within 26 miles of an area the size of switzerland
> in ehhh......95 a guy called bob lazar claimed to have worked their and said
> lots of interesting stories about the propulsion system the craft they use
> their,with help from the "greys" might i add.
> well nearby area 51 is a company called SAIC,they specialize in anti gravity
> propulsion engine's (dont even go their!)bob lazar's story has alot of holes
> eg: he also claimed to stanton friedman (a ufologist)that they use something
> like the 118th elementh,this has got to be bullshit as elements that hight
> up the periodic table are too unstable to last for more than a few
> milliseconds.his wife left him and id say he is making alot of money from
> his stories,this is a shame as some people think that because of one man
> their musnt be any aliens after all.
> the evidence shows a different story.
>
> hope that helped you :)
>
> --
> ICQ UIN: 6036731
> phie site: http://dac.org/users/phie/right.html
> phie zine: http://phiezine.zeris.net/
> IRC: #hackers_ireland,#hackerzlair,#2600-uk.
>
> Nobody wrote in message <6pfon9$6p1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> >Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base which
> also
> >known as Area 51???!!??
>
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Actually Area 51 was used as an experimental air force base. The
F-117A was first launched there without those stablizing fins in th back.
This resulted in a crash near the base. I really don't know what
the heck your talking about in the middle. But as for the 118th element
stuff and how those kinds of elements are very unstable. I do know
something about that. Physicists speculate that their many be some
elements about 105 that can be stable. In a physics book that I have,
it shows a graph of stablity of the elements from 1 to 100. I wish
I could scan that image but I don't have a scanner. In any case,
all of this is theorical and thus can be regarded as bullsh*t till it's
proven. It's just my 2 cents.
<P>BTW if what you say is true about the military base, explain why the
U.S. Military is very interested in buying up Freedom Ridge and the surrounding
area of the old airbase, Area 51. And while your at it, if they say
that the base is truly abandon then why do they have all that "shoot first,
ask question later" policy enforced? Just some simple questions for
you to ponder.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<P>Firestarter wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>the name dates back to a long time ago when different
sections of america
<BR>had different codes (probably military sections only)
<BR>its also called dreamland and a section of it (nelis AFB)is "official"
<BR>basicly its a base that was supposed not to exist
<BR>yet they bought over a mountain called freedom ridge,which was the
only
<BR>place you could see the center (groom lake) at night from
<BR>so people asked why they would buy over a place that dosent exist and
not
<BR>let people within 26 miles of an area the size of switzerland
<BR>in ehhh......95 a guy called bob lazar claimed to have worked their
and said
<BR>lots of interesting stories about the propulsion system the craft they
use
<BR>their,with help from the "greys" might i add.
<BR>well nearby area 51 is a company called SAIC,they specialize in anti
gravity
<BR>propulsion engine's (dont even go their!)bob lazar's story has alot
of holes
<BR>eg: he also claimed to stanton friedman (a ufologist)that they use
something
<BR>like the 118th elementh,this has got to be bullshit as elements that
hight
<BR>up the periodic table are too unstable to last for more than a few
<BR>milliseconds.his wife left him and id say he is making alot of money
from
<BR>his stories,this is a shame as some people think that because of one
man
<BR>their musnt be any aliens after all.
<BR>the evidence shows a different story.
<P>hope that helped you :)
<P>--
<BR>ICQ UIN: 6036731
<BR>phie site: <A HREF="http://dac.org/users/phie/right.html">http://dac.org/users/phie/right.html</A>
<BR>phie zine: <A HREF="http://phiezine.zeris.net/">http://phiezine.zeris.net/</A>
<BR>IRC: #hackers_ireland,#hackerzlair,#2600-uk.
<P>Nobody wrote in message <6pfon9$6p1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
<BR>>Let me guess this place out in Nevada. It was an old abandon base
which
<BR>also
<BR>>known as Area 51???!!??
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><BR>
<HR WIDTH="100%">
<BR><B>The Truth Will Set You Free</B>
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 02:38:47 GMT
From: root.noharvest.\@not_even\here.com (-)
Subject: Re: Recent Secret Government Experiments Killing People!!!
Message-Id: <35bbe6ff.72062558@news2.cais.com>
"Firestarter" <majestik_12@hotmail.com> Said this:
>I guess im out and out mad then!
>although unlike the original poster im prity sure i know what im talking
>about.
>
>
>> There's no point in arguing with him or trying to convince him of the
>>absurdity of his views. You're not arguing with a person capable of reason,
>>but with a faulty dopaminergic synapse. (Or with a troll impersonating a
>>person with faulty dopaminergic synapses, which is just as pointless.)
>>
>> These folks do show up on Usenet occasionally. Schizophrenia is
>common.
>>One percent of every population that has been studied suffers from it. It
>is
>>a tragic and disabling disease. This fellow deserves our sympathy, but
>>there's no point in arguing with him or getting angry with him.
>>
Is there anything in Schizophrenia that affects cognitive abilities,
oh say like, I don't know? Maybe SPELLING?
I've noticed that these nuts always have serious trouble with
spelling. I mean, I'll admit sometimes swapping my I's and E's but my
god, "prity"? Even my 5 year old nephew can spell pretty
I sugjest that yu git a dikshunaree and lern how two spell!!! If yew
cannt afored wun, then at leest leev that caben in tha hollow yew liv
in, join civilizashun fore a wyl and mabbe yew will lern too spell
that way
I went to college in West Virginia, I didn't realize they had internet
access up in those hollows.
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 21:34:10 -0400
From: "Scott" <sdh1@anchor.hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sort
Message-Id: <6pglhl$qpj$1@camel15.mindspring.com>
Hows about:
open (THEDIR,"ls -t |") || die "uh oh!";
@allfiles = readdir THEDIR;
closedir THEDIR;
darrensw@pacbell.net wrote in message
<35bab2f6.34652056@news.pacbell.net>...
>Hi, I have the following code which allows me to sort by file name.
>
>foreach $key (sort keys %category) {
> opendir THEDIR, "$basepath$key" || die "Unable to open directory: $!";
> @allfiles = readdir THEDIR;
> closedir THEDIR;
> foreach $file (sort { int($a) <=> int($b) }@closetime)
> if (-T "$basepath$key/$file") {
> open THEFILE, "$basepath$key/$file";
> ($title, $reserve, $inc, $desc, $image, $gmtime, @bids) =<THEFILE>;
> close THEFILE;
> chomp($title, $reserve, $inc, $desc, $image, $gmtime, @bids);
> @lastbid = split(/\[\]/,$bids[$#bids]);
> $file =~ s/\.dat//;
> @closetime = gmtime($file);
> $closetime[4]++;
>
>Within the file there is a date function, how can I amend the search
>to search by the date?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Darren
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Date: 27 Jul 1998 02:31:12 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Using the hash
Message-Id: <6pgopg$k36$2@nswpull.telstra.net>
In article <lloyd007-2507982219070001@lloyd007.vip.best.com>,
lloyd007@best.com (lloyd) writes:
> I am trying to use a hash to store a table with names and passwords as an
> exercise in learning perl. I am having trouble though starting right away
> with this part of the code:
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl5 -w
>
> %words = qw(
> lloyd lloyd
> leanne loon
> tom" kennedy
> );
Absolutely no problems here:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
use strict;
my %words = qw(
lloyd lloyd
leanne loon
tom" kennedy
);
foreach (keys %words)
{
print "$_ $words{$_}\n";
}
__END__
tom" kennedy
leanne loon
lloyd lloyd
What is the version of perl you are using? Are you absolutely sure that
the code you posted is what you are trying to run?
# perl -v
This is perl, version 5.004_04 built for sun4-solaris
Martien
--
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appeared last in the newsgroup, can be retrieved with the request "send
perl-users FAQ". Due to their sizes, neither the Meta-FAQ nor the FAQ
are included in the digest.
The "mini-FAQ", which is an updated version of the Meta-FAQ, is
available by requesting "send perl-users mini-faq". It appears twice
weekly in the group, but is not distributed in the digest.
For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
answer them even if I did know the answer.
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