[9537] in Perl-Users-Digest
Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 3131 Volume: 8
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Sun Jul 12 00:07:24 1998
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 98 21:00:14 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 11 Jul 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 3131
Today's topics:
Automatic Link Update using SSI spankboy18@my-dejanews.com
Re: Does your Web host offer ....? <dtbaker_@flash.net>
Re: PUZZLE: make hat, take ham (Abigail)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (Bob Trieger)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (The Wildman)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (WD Baseley)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (Mark-Jason Dominus)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (Daniel E. Macks)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (Al Iverson)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (Old Salt)
REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"? (I R A Aggie)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 8 Mar 97) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 03:11:21 GMT
From: spankboy18@my-dejanews.com
Subject: Automatic Link Update using SSI
Message-Id: <6o99gp$mho$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Does anyone know of a perl script that allows you to automatically update your
website links using server side includes? If so, please send name to
ucsbdawg@aol.com.
Thank You
Bryce E Jones
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:21:18 -0500
From: Dan Baker <dtbaker_@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Does your Web host offer ....?
Message-Id: <35A82BAE.3804@flash.net>
megauser@my-dejanews.com wrote:
...
> Here is one that does...all in one place....No Unix is required...30 day free
> trial.
> http://www.useractive.com
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wow, I can't believe this not only got cross posted to so many groups,
but groups that have the capability to rip the person apart probably....
how does this get "handled?" Quietly ignored? special mail-bots to bury
the site?
--
curious.... Dan
# If you would like to reply-to directly, remove the _ from my username
* Use of my email address regulated by US Code Title 47,
Sec.227(a)(2)(B) *
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Date: 12 Jul 1998 03:32:07 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: PUZZLE: make hat, take ham
Message-Id: <6o9ann$k5l$1@client3.news.psi.net>
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
=pod
Tom Christainsen wrote:
++ Take a list of words, like /usr/dict/words, and produce two pairs of
++ words such that ("Xaaa", "bbbY") and ("Yaaa", "bbbX") are all 4 legal
++ words from that list. For example: "make hat" and "take ham". In other
++ words, you have to exchange the first letter of the first word with the
++ last letter of the last word.
++
++ Now, find all such match pairs, and do this in better than exponential time.
Observation:
Instead of looking for pairs ('Xaaa', 'bbbY') and ('Yaaa', 'bbbX'),
looking for the pairs ('Xaaa', 'Yaaa') and ('bbbX', 'bbbY') will
reveal the same answers.
So, if we construct 2 sets A and B, where A consists of triples
(X, Y, aaa) such that Xaaa and Yaaa are words, and B consists of
triples (X, Y, bbb) such that bbbX and bbbY are words, a quick scan
of A & B will show all pairs of wordpairs.
To construct sets A and B, we will first contructs sets A' and B',
such that A' consists of pairs ('aaa', A''), where A'' is a set
of letters X such that Xaaa is a word. B' is defined in the same
way as pairs ('bbb', B'') with B'' a set of letters Y such that bbbY
is a word. This is easily done while reading in the data.
To construct A from A', proceed as follows: foreach pair (aaa, A'') of
A', if A'' contains at least 2 letters, find all pairs (X, Y) from A''
with X < Y, and stored 'aaa' in an array indexed by "XY". B is created
in a similar way.
All the answers can now be found by taking the Carthesian products of
all sets which are indexed with the same key in A and B.
Under the assumption all operations on strings (including hashing) are
done in constant time, the running time of the program is bound by
O (U^2 n + k), where U is the size of the alphabet, n the number of
words on the input, and k the number of reported answers. (k can be
Omega n^2 worst case). However, I do believe that a more closer analysis
will show the actual running time is bound by O (U n + k).
If we take the size of the alpabet to be fixed (as it is in any current
implementation of Perl), the running time is bounded by O (n + k), which
is optimal.
(Note that case is preserved, 'Foo' is considered different than 'foo')
=cut
use strict;
sub report ($$$);
my $DEBUG = 0; # Set to 1 if you want to make sure it only reports real words.
my %dict;
# Read in data, and construct sets A' and B'
my %A_prime;
my %B_prime;
while (<>) {
chomp;
next unless 1 < length; # Degenerated case.
next unless /^[a-z]/i && /[a-z]$/; # Problem isn't defined otherwise.
my ($f, $tail) = /(.)(.*)/;
my ($head, $l) = /(.*)(.)/;
push @{$A_prime {$tail}}, $f;
push @{$B_prime {$head}}, $l;
$dict {$_} = 1 if $DEBUG;
}
# Construct sets A and B from A' and B'.
my %A;
my %B;
my ($tail, $head, $letters);
while (($tail, $letters) = each %A_prime) {
next if @$letters < 2;
@$letters = sort @$letters;
foreach (my $i = 0; $i + 1 < @$letters; $i ++) {
foreach (my $j = $i + 1; $j < @$letters; $j ++) {
# This ensures $letters -> [$i] le $letters -> [$j].
my $index = $letters -> [$i] . $letters -> [$j];
push @{$A {$index}}, $tail;
}
}
}
while (($head, $letters) = each %B_prime) {
next if @$letters < 2;
@$letters = sort @$letters;
foreach (my $i = 0; $i + 1 < @$letters; $i ++) {
foreach (my $j = $i + 1; $j < @$letters; $j ++) {
# This ensures $letters -> [$i] le $letters -> [$j].
my $index = $letters -> [$i] . $letters -> [$j];
push @{$B {$index}}, $head;
}
}
}
# Now we can report all cases.
my ($index, $tails, $heads);
while (($index, $tails) = each %A) {
$heads = $B {$index} or next; # If it's not in B, no answers to report.
report $index, $tails, $heads;
}
sub report ($$$) {
my ($index, $tails, $heads) = @_;
my ($f, $s) = $index =~ /(.)(.)/;
foreach my $tail (@$tails) {
foreach my $head (@$heads) {
if ($DEBUG) {
foreach ("$f$tail", "$head$s", "$s$tail", "$head$f") {
warn "$_: not found\n" unless $dict {$_}
}
}
print "[$f$tail, $head$s] -> [$s$tail, $head$f]\n";
}
}
}
__END__
--
perl -MNet::Dict -we '(Net::Dict -> new (server => "dict.org")\n-> define ("foldoc", "perl")) [0] -> print'
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:20:53 GMT
From: sowmaster@juicepigs.com (Bob Trieger)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-22801.3041381836.6o6pbe$shs$1@ligarius.ultra.net>
[ posted and mailed ] (yes, I sent a _coutesy_ mail also.)
fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie) wrote:
-> I believe Wildman's warning message is:
->
-> + Do NOT reply to this post! All mail sent to the From/Reply-To will be
-> + considered spam, and handled appropriately.
->
-> I'd call that a broken reply mechanism - "handled appropriately" may well
-> tend to mean "redirected straight into /dev/null" and "replying here is a
-> waste of your time, so don't bother". That's only marginally less rude
-> than someone who munges their address...
I think it is even ruder than the morons with munged addresses. They are so
stupid they don't have a clue that they are being rude. Yet wolfman spells out
his rudeness which would have a whole different meaning if he just added 1
(one) word....... `please'. Does nobody use that word any more?
BTW, I missed something here, what is his appropriate way of handling SPAM?
Bob Trieger
sowmaster@juicepigs.com
" Cost a spammer some cash: Call 1-800-400-1972
Ext: 1949 and let the jerk that answers know
that his toll free number was sent as spam. "
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Date: 10 Jul 1998 18:35:27 GMT
From: the_wildman_98@hotmail.com (The Wildman)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-12048.6322937012.3896789551.slrn6qcohn.og2.the_wildman_98@foobar.net>
On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:02:28 GMT, Wildman's eyes rolled up in his head and
froth dripped from his fangs when WD Baseley
<wbaseley@mindspring.com> said the following fighting words:
>[comp.lang.perl.misc added to newsgroups]
And snipped. I have no desire to argue such issues there. I'll gladly argue
them here, however, and maybe even learn something along the way. Or maybe
not.
In any case, he knows it was posted here and is welcome to discuss it here.
Hopefully, he will at least read this ng and gain an understanding of why I
post the way I do.
>This person:
>a) tried to help you;
No, he didn't. If - for example - I see someone munging by putting "nospam"
on the left side of the @ rather than the right, I'll explain why doing it
that way is wrong, explain a better way to do it, and not call them an
"antispam spammer" (whatever the fuck that is).
He also lied about replying, since the hotmail address does accept email,
and I only got the email to my regular address. I *did* get a reply from
someone else at the hotmail address, to which I responded nicely, thanked
them for their reply, and pointed out my regular address.
>b) doesn't like mungs and other stunts aimed at deflecting junk email.
And I don't like spam. He didn't have to reply directly to me. I read the
ng's I post to, and expect to see responses there.
>There are a lot of people like that.
And there are a lot of people like me. I know it violates RFCs, and
incoveniences others. But spam violates my mailbox and incoveniences me. I
do not wish to deal with the amount of spam I used to in the past, and I
don't believe its right that I should have to stop using the internet to
avoid spam. Post without munging if you wish, and "just hit delete". But
don't expect to do the same until spam is at more manageable levels.
My regular address is *still* floating around on mailing lists from when I
was posting it in the clear. I sure don't need to be added to more.
>Your mentality is the one that should be questioned, for being so stupidly
>rude to someone who was attempting to assist you.
I was rude? I think he was rude. Perhaps I responded in kind. Stupidly rude?
I disagree. Assist me? Bullshit! His reply to my question was worthless, and
a flimsy excuse to bitch at me.
>A generous offer. Could you point me to the RFC that allows you to
>attempt to publicly humiliate anyone who objects to jumping through
>your reply hoops?
I certainly wasn't attempting to publicly humiliate him. If that is the way
it came across, I will apologize for that. But I knew how much he hated
emailing me - despite his doing it anyway - yet I felt he needed a forum in
which to respond. Since c.l.p.misc isn't about spam and this ng is, I felt
it was a good compromise.
One additional note, I've changed the way I mung. I used to use a
"spamblock", but now I use a "spam sink" - which I empty and deal with
manually. Think about the signifigance of that for a moment.
--
The Wildman - wildman at microserve dot net
Do NOT reply to this post! All mail sent to the From/Reply-To will be
considered spam, and handled appropriately.
Fight spam - http://www.cauce.org/
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:02:28 GMT
From: wbaseley@mindspring.com (WD Baseley)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-30514.0687561035.2573242188.35a942cf.22866101@news.mindspring.com>
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In article <slrn6qcfme.nqf.the_wildman_98@foobar.net>,
the_wildman_98@hotmail.com (The Wildman) articulated:
>However, you didn't reply to it. You saw the warning and decided to make a
>snide remark. Exactly what is an "antispam spammer" anyway? Maybe *you*
>are a spammer. You certainly have the mentality (i.e. you lied about
>replying) for it.
This person: a) tried to help you; b) doesn't like mungs and other
stunts aimed at deflecting junk email. There are a lot of people like
that. Your mentality is the one that should be questioned, for being
so stupidly rude to someone who was attempting to assist you.
>Alternatively, I can attempt to educate you by pointing you to the
>appropriate FAQs and web pages. I would prefer that solution, and I think
>you would too.
A generous offer. Could you point me to the RFC that allows you to
attempt to publicly humiliate anyone who objects to jumping through
your reply hoops?
-- WD Baseley
"They have won the war against spam"
~ Sanford Wallace ~ April 8, 1998
- The Email Abuse FAQ is at <http://members.aol.com/emailfaq>
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Date: 10 Jul 1998 23:09:59 -0400
From: mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason Dominus)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-16817.4867553711.3029174805.6o6l27$eeq$1@monet.op.net>
In article <6o6duc$o8e$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
Daniel E. Macks <dmacks@sas.upenn.edu> wrote:
>An even stronger contingent is "you asked by posting, so I'm gonna
>reply by posting"
Yeah. Why do I answer questions here? Of course, it's because I like
to show off. No point in showing off to one single person by email.
Where's the fun in that?
Also, replying by email reduces the likelihood that some lurker will
learn something, and it reduces the likelihood that some interesting
discussion will develop, and so on. But it *increases* the likelihood
that I'll be wasting my time sending an answer that thirteen people
already sent.
The long and short of it is that there's a community here, and
replying by email to private queries doesn't benefit the community; it
only benefits the person who asked the question.
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Date: 11 Jul 1998 01:08:28 GMT
From: dmacks@sas.upenn.edu (Daniel E. Macks)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-25079.2346191406.6133728027.6o6duc$o8e$1@netnews.upenn.edu>
WD Baseley (wbaseley@mindspring.com) said:
: [comp.lang.perl.misc added to newsgroups]
:
: In article <slrn6qcfme.nqf.the_wildman_98@foobar.net>,
: the_wildman_98@hotmail.com (The Wildman) articulated:
:
: >However, you didn't reply to it. You saw the warning and decided to make a
: >snide remark. Exactly what is an "antispam spammer" anyway? Maybe *you*
: >are a spammer. You certainly have the mentality (i.e. you lied about
: >replying) for it.
:
: This person: a) tried to help you; b) doesn't like mungs and other
: stunts aimed at deflecting junk email. There are a lot of people like
: that. Your mentality is the one that should be questioned, for being
: so stupidly rude to someone who was attempting to assist you.
CLPM has a large contingent of "if you want a reply by email, I'd damn
well better be able to just hit reply." That's one of the
characteristics that's developed in the froup. An even stronger
contingent is "you asked by posting, so I'm gonna reply by posting"
(at one point the FAQ made this very clear). One of the premises there
is that one is coming for help, so one must do everything possible to
help folks help that person. Each additional hoop is that many more
YAPHer (possibly the only one with the answer to a tricky question)
who will say "too much trouble...I'll skip this one."
: A generous offer. Could you point me to the RFC that allows you to
: attempt to publicly humiliate anyone who objects to jumping through
: your reply hoops?
What he said.
dan
--
Daniel Macks
dmacks@a.chem.upenn.edu
dmacks@netspace.org
http://www.netspace.org/~dmacks
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:49:53 -0500
From: sporgduffle@radparker.com (Al Iverson)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-8126.75198364258.6982421875.sporgduffle-ya023180001007981749530001@news.radparker.com>
wbaseley@mindspring.com (WD Baseley) wrote:
: A generous offer. Could you point me to the RFC that allows you to
: attempt to publicly humiliate anyone who objects to jumping through
: your reply hoops?
Turnabout is fair play. It may not be an RFC, it may not even be mature,
but if someone is a jerk, don't be stupid and assume the person won't be a
jerk in return.
--
Al Iverson -- munged address in use, please go to my web site
at http://al.radparker.com if you want to send me email
Don't send us UCE unless you want us to send it back to you.
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Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 07:39:41 GMT
From: old.salt@mindspring.com (Old Salt)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-3382.8967590332.7829284668.35a815ed.14770087@news.mindspring.com>
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 04:20:53 GMT, sowmaster@juicepigs.com (Bob
Trieger) decided to post words that all would read on, "Re: I am an
"antispam spammer"?", lets see if they are worth reading. unless it
is by Steve Boursy:
>BTW, I missed something here, what is his appropriate way of handling SPAM?
Send a copy of the spam with full headers to
Postmaster/root/abuse at the ISP it came from. If you don't know how
to read e-mail headers go here:
The lessons are:
Spam-tracking 101 (for newbies)
Spam-tracking 102 (the many uses of DejaNews)
Spam-tracking 103 (the many uses of whois)
Spam-tracking 104 (a case study: spammer unmasked)
These are available at:
http://doofus.ml.org/spam/lessons/
Or get a copy of SamSpade from here:
http://www.blighty.com/spam/ or one of the other spamfighting tools
there.
--
If you are anti- SPAM, point your browser to URL: http://spam.abuse.net
Support the anti-Spam amendment Join at http://www.cauce.org/
Write your Representatives, Murkowski/HR3888=NO , Smith/HR1748=YES
Notice. Spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct
others to make their life fulfilled.
@dartmouth.edu is now block due to Archimedes Plutonium
My Mail Server is Protected by SPAMKILLER
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 22:28:34 -0500
From: fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie)
Subject: REPOST: Re: I am an "antispam spammer"?
Message-Id: <REPOST-7492.77133178711.401184082.fl_aggie-1007982228340001@aggie.coaps.fsu.edu>
In article <sporgduffle-ya023180001007981749530001@news.radparker.com>,
sporgduffle@radparker.com (Al Iverson) wrote:
+ wbaseley@mindspring.com (WD Baseley) wrote:
+
+ : A generous offer. Could you point me to the RFC that allows you to
+ : attempt to publicly humiliate anyone who objects to jumping through
+ : your reply hoops?
+
+ Turnabout is fair play. It may not be an RFC, it may not even be mature,
+ but if someone is a jerk, don't be stupid and assume the person won't be a
+ jerk in return.
Beggars can't be choosers. And there's nothing in the RFC's that say you
need to reply to anything that comes your way.
I believe Wildman's warning message is:
+ Do NOT reply to this post! All mail sent to the From/Reply-To will be
+ considered spam, and handled appropriately.
I'd call that a broken reply mechanism - "handled appropriately" may well
tend to mean "redirected straight into /dev/null" and "replying here is a
waste of your time, so don't bother". That's only marginally less rude
than someone who munges their address...
Thank G*d that Tom C didn't reply...
James
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