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Thu Jun 25 21:07:52 1998
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 18:01:46 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 25 Jun 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2986
Today's topics:
Perl CGI Not Working NT 4.0 Enterprise 3.0 - Help!! <egamble@alphablox.com.OR.emgamble.com>
Re: Perl OS Redirection ?? <rra@stanford.edu>
Perl, is it threaded? <robert.garskof@nospam.snet.com>
Re: Perl, is it threaded? <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Programming for MS SQLServer - recommendations? <ritche@san.rr.com>
put YOUR own program on MY site <emulov@sin.khk.be>
PWS W95 Perl Setup Screenshot Help? topmind@technologist.com
Q: HTTP/CGI Multipart Content-type Header Hello@There.com
Re: Query for system resources <rra@stanford.edu>
Re: Questions I'd like answered (was: Re: Flames....) <rra@stanford.edu>
Re: Strange ommission from perl function list <rra@stanford.edu>
Re: Use socket question (Jonathan Stowe)
WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture <fvbrock@mycitypages.com>
Re: WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture <phillipu@home.net>
Re: WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture <jstern@world.northgrum.com>
Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!) <rra@stanford.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World (Stuart McDow)
Re: What a Crappy World (Stuart McDow)
Re: What a Crappy World <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Re: What a Crappy World <kenner@DELETE.MExnet.com>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:13:17 -0700
From: "Eric Gamble" <egamble@alphablox.com.OR.emgamble.com>
Subject: Perl CGI Not Working NT 4.0 Enterprise 3.0 - Help!!
Message-Id: <6mui9p$j6t$1@news1-alterdial.uu.net>
I'm running
o Netscape Enterprise Server 3.0
o NT 4.0
I have:
1) associatesd ".pl" and ".cgi" to "c:\perl\perl.exe" (these work from the
command line and from the file explorer.
2) configure the web server to run cgi for the entire server.
3) made certain that the id that runs the web server service can execute the
perl scripts
4) created a shell-cgi directory for the scripts
What should I do next??? %#$%^@%@@$%% netscape
to respond take out the .OR. and send it to (NO SPAM):
alphablox.com
or
emgamble.com
Here are my examples:
Perl Script ------
print "HTTP/1.0 200 OK\n";
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
print "<html><head><title>FooBar</title></head>\n";
print "<body>\n";
print "\n Hello Cruel CGI world...";
print "</body></html>";
HTML (not really needed) -----
<html>
<head>
<title>Perl Hello</title>
</head>
<body>
<form method="POST" name="PerlHello" action="/shell-cgi/perlHello.cgi">
<p><input type="submit" value="Hello" name="btnSQL3"> - Dynamic Hello</p>
</form>
</body>
</html>
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:20:37 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Perl OS Redirection ??
Message-Id: <m3btrhhv3e.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Mark Polakow <mark@imp.net> writes:
> I noticed that if i use a browser redirection with the
> $ENV{'HTTP_USER_AGENT'} one browser comes up as "Mozilla/4.0
> (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95)" while the Win311 comes up as
> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 3.1; CRHC Intranet)" but I
> am not sure how to write the syntax for a browser redirection based on
> this.
I'm afraid that HTTP_USER_AGENT is the most you have to work from, and
that agents can lie about their browser type (and often do for various
reasons). To answer the Perl content of your question, you would use an
if statement probably based on a regex matching the environment variable,
something like:
if ($ENV{HTTP_USER_AGENT} =~ /Windows 95/) {
print "Redirect: URL\012\015";
} elsif ($ENV{HTTP_USER_AGENT} =~ /Windows 3\.1/) {
print "Redirect: URL\012\015";
} else {
...
}
(There are tighter ways of writing this, but that should give you the
general idea.) I'm not sure of the exact syntax of the header you want to
be sending, and I obviously can't help you with the exact strings that
your browsers will be sending. For help with that, please see a newsgroup
on CGI programming, such as comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:46:50 -0400
From: Robert Garskof <robert.garskof@nospam.snet.com>
Subject: Perl, is it threaded?
Message-Id: <3592C54A.7160D48B@nospam.snet.com>
I have heard that perl can be threaded, as in you can write threaded
applications in perl. Is this correct?
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 22:17:23 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: Perl, is it threaded?
Message-Id: <6mui9j$8c0$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc, Robert Garskof <robert.garskof@snet.com> writes:
:I have heard that perl can be threaded, as in you can write threaded
:applications in perl. Is this correct?
Most of us write our multithreaded apps using the powerful
fork primitive. Threads are overkill for most people, but
then, so is all multitasking.
You can see examples of equivalent programs in my CPAN
directory
http://www.perl.com/CPAN/authors/id/TOMC/scripts/
There are two scripts called prime-fork and prime-thread.
--tom
--
"New versions happen." --Larry Wall
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:14:30 GMT
From: "Ritche Macalaguim" <ritche@san.rr.com>
Subject: Programming for MS SQLServer - recommendations?
Message-Id: <qRAk1.14$UT5.128443@proxye1.san.rr.com>
May someone please recommend any good books on programming Perl for
Microsoft's SQLServer... as well as any other sources to try...
Thanks,
Ritche Macalaguim
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:44:37 +0200
From: "Emulov" <emulov@sin.khk.be>
Subject: put YOUR own program on MY site
Message-Id: <6muubg$ri7$1@trex.antw.online.be>
I'm Emulov and I have a computer, internet and programming site at
http://www.sin.khk.be/~emulov/index_english.htm
I just started posting little freeware programs that people can download. If
you think you wrote some cool thingy, you can put it on my site through an
upload page. Just go to the url and click on 'programs'.
{
Emulov
emulov@sin.khk.be
http://www.sin.khk.be/~emulov
http://www.sin.khk.be/~emulov/progr_section
}
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:45:37 GMT
From: topmind@technologist.com
Subject: PWS W95 Perl Setup Screenshot Help?
Message-Id: <6muqvh$r4j$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
I have followed instructions I found on Usenet
to get Perl to work with PWS on Windows 95. I
beleive it is the 2nd release of PWS.
I made the described changes to the registry,
but it still does not work. Some of the instructions
seem to confuse W95 with NT. The registry structure
is different for both.
Here is a screen shot of my registry:
http://www.findy.com/perlnogo.gif
Note that I edited the screen shot
to make it fit, but the full path
is visible at the bottom status bar.
Can anyone with a *working* setup
compare their registry to my screen
shot to see why its different?
Thank You, -Tmind-
[Note: I posted this message before, but I cannot find it for some reason
anymore.]
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:59:42 -0700
From: Hello@There.com
Subject: Q: HTTP/CGI Multipart Content-type Header
Message-Id: <3592C84E.2383CB7E@technologist.com>
Is there a way to refresh a CGI generated text without using META
REFRESH?
In another word, can one Perl CGI generate two separate HTML pages
sequentially?
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
#--- Waiting message ---
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; # =CGI:print header
print<<EO_WAITING;
<HTML>
<BODY>
<H1>Please wait...</H1><BR>
</BODY>
</HTML>
EO_WAITING
#--- Script here ---
sleep 2;
#--- Print results ---
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n"; # =CGI:print header
print<<EO_TEXT;
<HTML>
<BODY>
<H1>PAGE2</H1><BR>
</BODY>
</HTML>
EO_TEXT
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:22:36 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Query for system resources
Message-Id: <m390mlhv03.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Parctest Account <parctest@sgca02.cern.ch> writes:
> Is there a way to make query the system resources, and by that I mean
> the actual hardware resources such as #cpu's, memory, swapspace and
> stacksize ?
> I need to do this on AIX, Digital UNIX and Windows NT, so either I need
> some standard way to do this, or a specific way for each platform.
I have no idea how to do this on Windows NT. On Unix systems, there are a
variety of programs that may give you pieces of this information, such as
free, vmstat, top, sysinfo, and others, some of which are more commonly
available than others. In all cases, you'll probably want to run the
program and parse it's output rather than try to duplicate its
functionality natively in Perl, as what the programs do is often extremely
complicated and platform-specific.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:36:55 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Questions I'd like answered (was: Re: Flames....)
Message-Id: <m3ogvhgfrs.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Ron Pero <rpero@boone.net> writes:
> Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com> wrote:
>> But, among perl-related questions, probably my most pressing is this one.
>> "Are there parts of the Perl documentation which, although their
>> meaning is completely clear to me, are unclear to other people who
>> nevertheless have the requisite technical knowledge; and can those
>> parts be made clear to everyone somehow?"
>> Of course, it's never seemed to me that simply asking that question
>> would be of much practical utility. Cheers!
> O contraire! Very practical. I come across such things often. If there
> was a (receptive) place to send such suggestions for improvement, I
> would do it.
If you're certain that you're right, that the documentation is unclear,
and *particularly* if you have a proposed fix, perlbug@perl.com is the
best place. If you're less certain, posting to this newsgroup is probably
a good start, as people will then either agree with you and either send it
along to perl5-porters or encourage you too, or will disagree with you and
explain why.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:32:12 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Strange ommission from perl function list
Message-Id: <m3wwa5gfzn.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Martin Gregory <mgregory@asc.sps.mot.com> writes:
> Have I missed it somewhere, or are there no 'maximum' & 'minimum'
> functions in the standard perl distribution?
There aren't. (There also aren't any in the standard C library, leading
people to #define macros all the time.) There was a proposal to include
min and max in a future version of Perl as third-class keywords, but it's
so far unclear whether that will happen.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:03:13 GMT
From: Gellyfish@btinternet.com (Jonathan Stowe)
Subject: Re: Use socket question
Message-Id: <3592c700.13790129@news.btinternet.com>
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:21:55 -0500, Justin wrote :
>Exactly what is included when in a script you put:
>
>use Socket;
>
Socket.pm imports the proper definitions for using the socket IPC
functions.
>Is there a way to not use it and still make socket operations?
>
You could use literal values for the constants defined in Socket.pm.
Or use IO::Socket ;-}
check out the perlipc document for further info.
/J\
Jonathan Stowe
Some of your questions answered:
<URL:http://www.btinternet.com/~gellyfish/resources/wwwfaq.htm>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:34:55 -0500
From: "Fredrick V. Brock" <fvbrock@mycitypages.com>
Subject: WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture
Message-Id: <3592DE9F.94A481B1@mycitypages.com>
Disclaimer:
Inasmuch as it appears there is a marked and ongoing dichotomy in views
among the participants in clpm; I suggest that those of you who find
newbie questions a nuisance, STOP HERE! READ NO FURTHER! MOVE ON TO THE
NEXT POST! However, for those who care to offer comment on what may be
prove to be a rhetorical PERL question, or even a dreaded general
programming question, please continue.
Hopefully, the above Disclaimer will abate all the 5 alarm flamings that
would have otherwise been issued by the socially challenged, PERL
retentive gurus. There really should be a clp.newbie group.
Greetings PERLer:
I am a newbie; however, I am hacking a lot and learning as I go along.
I am using PERL for its text handling and manipulating capabilities.
Over the past 12 days, I have hacked out 5800+ lines of functional
code. For ease of organization and to facilitate testing, this code is
distributed between 12 different component files. I have five books on
PERL that I use quite regularly for reference as I hack along. A "learn
as I go" approach. As good as each of these books may be, collectively
or individually, none of them adequately address the issue of "Optimal
Program Architecture."
Her is my question to you PERL programming guru's:
Now, that I am ready to interrelate the components into a functional
program, from an "Optimal Efficiency" point of view.
Is it better to interrelate the 12 individual files that contain sub
routines using 'do' statements; or,
Is it better to interrelate the individual files into one (rather long)
file. Granted, without PERL knowledge, the concept of a long file is
nebulous and subjective. With minimal but adequate use of white space
to facilitate human interpretation, the resulting single file will be
approximately 9,000 lines long.
Thanks in advance for your constructive input.
--
Fredrick V. Brock
President
http://www.mycitypages.com
My City Enterprises, Inc.
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:50:35 GMT
From: "Phil" <phillipu@home.net>
Subject: Re: WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture
Message-Id: <fnBk1.34933$BE5.13176353@news.rdc1.nj.home.com>
Hmmmm.....distracted by the stereotype of guru intolerance. Lot's of nice
folks out here who were once upon a time newbies themselves. Try again.
Regards,
P.
Fredrick V. Brock wrote in message <3592DE9F.94A481B1@mycitypages.com>...
>Disclaimer:
>
>Inasmuch as it appears there is a marked and ongoing dichotomy in views
>among the participants in clpm; I suggest that those of you who find
>newbie questions a nuisance, STOP HERE! READ NO FURTHER! MOVE ON TO THE
>NEXT POST! However, for those who care to offer comment on what may be
>prove to be a rhetorical PERL question, or even a dreaded general
>programming question, please continue.
>
>Hopefully, the above Disclaimer will abate all the 5 alarm flamings that
>would have otherwise been issued by the socially challenged, PERL
>retentive gurus. There really should be a clp.newbie group.
>
>Greetings PERLer:
>
>I am a newbie; however, I am hacking a lot and learning as I go along.
>I am using PERL for its text handling and manipulating capabilities.
>Over the past 12 days, I have hacked out 5800+ lines of functional
>code. For ease of organization and to facilitate testing, this code is
>distributed between 12 different component files. I have five books on
>PERL that I use quite regularly for reference as I hack along. A "learn
>as I go" approach. As good as each of these books may be, collectively
>or individually, none of them adequately address the issue of "Optimal
>Program Architecture."
>
>Her is my question to you PERL programming guru's:
>
>Now, that I am ready to interrelate the components into a functional
>program, from an "Optimal Efficiency" point of view.
>
>Is it better to interrelate the 12 individual files that contain sub
>routines using 'do' statements; or,
>
>Is it better to interrelate the individual files into one (rather long)
>file. Granted, without PERL knowledge, the concept of a long file is
>nebulous and subjective. With minimal but adequate use of white space
>to facilitate human interpretation, the resulting single file will be
>approximately 9,000 lines long.
>
>Thanks in advance for your constructive input.
>
>--
>Fredrick V. Brock
>President
>http://www.mycitypages.com
>My City Enterprises, Inc.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:50:23 GMT
From: "James M. Stern" <jstern@world.northgrum.com>
Subject: Re: WARNING: Newbie Inquiry - PERL Architecture
Message-Id: <3592E23F.A4DC2151@world.northgrum.com>
Fredrick V. Brock wrote:
>
> Disclaimer:
>
> Inasmuch as it appears there is a marked and ongoing dichotomy in views
> among the participants in clpm; I suggest that those of you who find
> newbie questions a nuisance, STOP HERE! READ NO FURTHER! MOVE ON TO THE
> NEXT POST!
It's ok. I don't bite. :-) Please note my paraphrases below in square
brackets. They represent your question as I (mis?)understand it.
Please
post a clarification if I'm wrong.
> [A large program is spread across 12 files.]
> Now, that I am ready to interrelate the components into a functional
> program, from an "Optimal Efficiency" point of view.
Efficiency is not your prime concern. Maintainability is. Make the
program
maintainable and you can always make it efficient later. The reverse is
rarely true.
>
> Is it better to interrelate the 12 individual files that contain sub
> routines using 'do' statements; or,
> [or combine the 12 files into 1?]
I advise against both options. The best way to organize a large Perl
program
is to divide it into "packages." If you don't know what a package is,
*stop programming now* and read "Learning Perl, Second Edition." (Also
called the Llama book. Publisher: O'Reilly & Associates. Hacking a
program
without knowing the language is like hacking through the jungle without
a
map. It will only get you more lost.
To reference package P from package Q, code "use P;" or "require P;"
in package Q. Generally, 'use' is preferred -- perldoc perlmod for
details.
One more tip: Above I talked about "the best way to organize a large
Perl
program." But it's better not to write that large program in the first
place. "CPAN" (See the FAQ) is a large collection of Perl modules.
Scan
the table of contents. Maybe someone wrote your program already. Maybe
(s)he did it better. :-)
Good luck.
--
James M. Stern -- Views here are my own, not my employer's.
(Hawthorne, CA)
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:12:00 -0700
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!)
Message-Id: <m3emwdhvhr.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu> writes:
> Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> writes:
>> I largely agree with Tom and others on the point of what I'd prefer
>> this group to look like, but when I see people say things like this, I
>> have to admit I start worrying. See, the first post I ever made to
>> Usenet was three days after I started reading, before I read
>> news.announce.newusers, and was badly miswrapped (not because I was
>> using Microsoft trash, but because I had only been using vi for three
>> days and it didn't work at all like EDT always did). Despite that, I
>> got a very cordial welcome from the group I posted to.
> Times have changed. It used to be that a group could take a new reader
> under its wing or provide gentle advice. Today, the occasional
> misinformed new poster is drowned out by a sea of AOLers.
This is a point where I refuse to allow times to change, as a matter of
personal ethics. So far, I've not been forced to give way to these
overwhelming forces that other people appear to perceive. I'm not sure
why, but until I am, I'll continue trying to give people gentle advice as
much as I can.
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -- Russ Allbery, Just Another Perl Hacker
$^=q;@!>~|{>krw>yn{u<$$<[~||<Juukn{=,<S~|}<Jwx}qn{<Yn{u<Qjltn{ > 0gFzD gD,
00Fz, 0,,( 0hF 0g)F/=, 0> "L$/GEIFewe{,$/ 0C$~> "@=,m,|,(e 0.), 01,pnn,y{
rw} >;,$0=q,$,,($_=$^)=~y,$/ C-~><@=\n\r,-~$:-u/ #y,d,s,(\$.),$1,gee,print
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 21:59:02 GMT
From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <6muh76$a46$1@ns1.arlut.utexas.edu>
smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow) writes:
> consipircy
Hmm, where did *that* come from?
conspiracy
--
Stuart McDow Applied Research Laboratories
smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin
"Look for beauty in roughness, unpolishedness"
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 21:56:08 GMT
From: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <6muh1o$9jr$1@ns1.arlut.utexas.edu>
Fred Riley <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk> writes:
>
> now everyone and their uncle's got a computer so us riff-raff are
> taking over
Ah. Something to finally give credence to the abounding "dumbing down
of programming" consipircy theories. I *knew* there was something to
them.
--
Stuart McDow Applied Research Laboratories
smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin
"Look for beauty in roughness, unpolishedness"
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 22:21:35 GMT
From: Scratchie <upsetter@ziplink.net>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <6muihf$eg0@fridge.shore.net>
Stuart McDow <smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu> wrote:
: smcdow@arlut.utexas.edu (Stuart McDow) writes:
:> consipircy
: Hmm, where did *that* come from?
: conspiracy
Coincidence? I think not...
--Art
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:15:15 -0500
From: "Kenner" <kenner@DELETE.MExnet.com>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <6mulg9$kae$1@flood.xnet.com>
Randal Schwartz wrote in message <8cra0exnb5.fsf@gadget.cscaper.com>...
>We *do* disapprove of people asking questions that are word-for-word
>from the FAQ, or in the wrong group, or vague enough that we can't
>tell what the problem is. None of those are "Perl Baby-talk"... they
>are simply baby-human behavior. Not tolerated.
>
>What problem do you have with that?
It seems like common sense that the actions described above are intolerable.
It just seems so unfortunate that some people have to be so hateful in their
responses to that effect. I feel that neither Tom Phoenix nor Tom
Christiansen tolerate this baby-human behavior, but contrast their methods:
Tom P. firmly points the offenders away from this newsgroup and toward
resources that might be more appropriate; Tom C. often (but not always)
responds with personal insults and name-calling. It just seems like Tom P.
responds to the babyish behavior as an adult, but Tom C. responds in like
childish fashion. I *do* understand that if someone posts a thoughtless,
lazy question, is rude, or is just interested in "gimme, gimme, gimme" that
a harsh response will make them think twice about doing the same again.
But, as Tom P. demonstrates, this can be accomplished intelligently, without
debasing oneself by hurling cheap insults.
For what it's worth,
--
Kenner
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