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Thu Jun 25 14:07:16 1998
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 11:00:42 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 25 Jun 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2981
Today's topics:
Re: A kind of TAR with perl (Abigail)
Re: Apache 90 TimeOut (Steve Linberg)
Re: Can someone explain the arrow operator ? (Matt Knecht)
Re: Can someone explain the arrow operator ? (Sean McAfee)
Re: challenge: put search into an array <franzen@pmel.noaa.gov>
Re: Detect "file system is full", etc from Perl? <quentin@shaddam.amd.com>
Embedding perl on Win32 with Watcom C?? <setera@us.ibm.com>
Re: Gateway (Steve Linberg)
Re: help with loops <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: Hiding the Perl source (Abigail)
Re: Hiding the Perl source (Abigail)
How do I pass more than one array as a parameter into a <bth@cs.buffalo.edu>
How to set system time using Perl?? <yey@cvilaser.com>
Re: Problem with a script <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: regex error <jdf@pobox.com>
Sending mail through another server? (Ford Prefect)
Re: Sending mail through another server? (Larry Rosler)
Two possible errors in the Perl CGI FAQ <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Re: Two possible errors in the Perl CGI FAQ <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!) (Abigail)
Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!) <b-camp@students.uiuc.edu>
Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!) (Abigail)
Re: What a Crappy World <jdporter@min.net>
Re: What a Crappy World <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Re: What a Crappy World <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:43:13 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: A kind of TAR with perl
Message-Id: <6mu27h$6m2$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Jean-Paul SALIOU (saliou@bsboulot) wrote on MDCCLIX September MCMXCIII in
<URL: news:6mt4b3$o2i@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be>:
++
++ Hello,
++
++ I'm looking for a script in perl which has the
++ same effect than the unix tar.
There is of course a module on CPAN, but what is wrong with
system "tar", @options; ?
Abigail
--
perl -MNet::Dict -we '(Net::Dict -> new (server => "dict.org")\n-> define ("foldoc", "perl")) [0] -> print'
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:37:31 -0400
From: linberg@literacy.upenn.edu (Steve Linberg)
Subject: Re: Apache 90 TimeOut
Message-Id: <linberg-2506981337310001@projdirc.literacy.upenn.edu>
In article <6mhqo5$dmn$3@client3.news.psi.net>, abigail@fnx.com wrote:
> Edward Harris (EdHarris@eg-web.com) wrote on MDCCLIV September MCMXCIII
> in <URL: news:358BCB38.5BC4@eg-web.com>:
> ++ Apache will not allow a perl script to process for more than 90 seconds
> ++ without a request. On second 91 it stops the scripts processing and
> ++ sends the browser an "Internal Server Error" message.
> ++
> ++ Does anyone know any code or way to trick Apache into allowing a script
> ++ to process for more than 90 seconds?
>
> I had to think for a while what this has to do with Perl, but at
> least I found an answer that uses perl.
>
> $ cd /usr/local/src/apache
> $ perl -i -wne 's/90/300/g' *.c *.h
> $ make depend
> $ make
> $ make install
> $ kill -TERM `cat /usr/local/etc/httpd/logs/pid`
> $ nohup /usr/local/etc/httpd/httpd &
Whee! Genius! :)
_____________________________________________________________________
Steve Linberg National Center on Adult Literacy
Systems Programmer &c. University of Pennsylvania
linberg@literacy.upenn.edu http://www.literacyonline.org
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:55:17 GMT
From: hex@voicenet.com (Matt Knecht)
Subject: Re: Can someone explain the arrow operator ?
Message-Id: <9awk1.46$u05.526548@news3.voicenet.com>
Mike Mckinney <mike@bga.com> wrote:
>I'm hoping maybe someone can show some basic examples of the use, that I could
>apply myself, and eventually "figure it out".
You're trouble isn't with ->, it's with references.
Before I start, I _highly_ recommend chapter 4 from the blue Camel,
"References and Nested Data Structures". It hadles this subject quite
well. But, for a quick example:
Consider:
%hash = (
'Adam' => 'Eve',
'Clyde' => 'Bonnie'
);
To access the value 'Eve', you use: $hash{Adam};
That should be some syntax you're familiar with. Now, building the same
data structure but using a hashref:
$hash_ref = {
'Adam' => 'Eve',
'Clyde' => 'Bonnie'
};
Note the use of {} as oppesed to (). Also note that $hash_ref is a
_scalar_, not a hash. It _refers_ to an anonymous hash. To access this
data structure, you have a few choices.
${$hash_ref}{Adam}
or
$$hash_ref{Adam}
Yuck! That's some ugly syntax, and it only gets worse if you start
making hashes of hashes of arrays of hashes! So, as an alternative
syntax (That also yields other benefits... it's not just syntactic
sugar, but save that for when you look at OO) you can use the arrow:
$hash_ref->{Adam}
Which means exactly the same thing, but is much less noisy, and it's
readily apparant that you're dealing with a reference.
Again, I can't stress enough: Read chapter 4 of the Camel. Twice. It
explains all this very nicely.
--
Matt Knecht - <hex@voicenet.com>
"496620796F752063616E207265616420746869732C20796F7520686176652066
617220746F6F206D7563682074696D65206F6E20796F75722068616E6473210F"
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:57:10 GMT
From: mcafee@centipede.rs.itd.umich.edu (Sean McAfee)
Subject: Re: Can someone explain the arrow operator ?
Message-Id: <Wbwk1.1207$24.6656383@news.itd.umich.edu>
In article <43vk1.49$ja2.487362@news2.voicenet.com>,
Matt Knecht <hex@voicenet.com> wrote:
>Mike Mckinney <mike@bga.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:38:11 GMT, Joel Coltoff <joel@wmi0.wmi.com> wrote:
>>I'm hoping to find out about the -> operator. I had thought that => was
>>another form of the , operator..Is there a difference ?
>perldoc perlref
>Is what you want. => really just is syntactic sugar for ',' but I
>wouldn't be suprised if there's a caveat buried somewhere about it...
>with Perl, there usually is! :)
Caveat ahoy! Compare:
$_ = "abcdefg";
@a = (uc , "foo");
@b = (uc => "foo");
@a is ("ABCDEFG", "foo"), whereas @b = ("uc", "foo"). => forces its
left-hand argument to be interpreted as a string. In the @a assignment, uc
was interpreted as a call to the uc function, which operated on $_, since I
didn't give it a parameter.
--
Sean McAfee | GS d->-- s+++: a26 C++ US+++$ P+++ L++ E- W+ N++ |
| K w--- O? M V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP?>++ t+() 5++ X+ R+ | mcafee@
| tv+ b++ DI++ D+ G e++>++++ h- r y+>++** | umich.edu
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:30:07 -0700
From: Nathan Franzen <franzen@pmel.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: challenge: put search into an array
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625101756.5193A-100000@corona.pmel.noaa.gov>
> In article <6mto73$6g2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <spostma@iserv.net> wrote:
>
> >$temp =~ s/.*name=(.*)/$1/;
>
> >and it works just fine. But when I have more than one occurrence of the
> >"name=", I need to put the results into an array. I have tried creating a
> >loop that puts $1 into an array, but it won't return any values.
And on Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Sean McAfee replied:
> I don't believe you can substitute and fill an array simultaneously, but
> put this matching expression before you change the string:
>
> @array = ($temp =~ /name=(.*)/g);
Why not? What's wrong with:
$temp =~ /name=(.*)/push(@array, $1), $1/eg;
Well, I can guess one thing that will be wrong with it: The '.*' will
grab everything in the string including all the following names. Without
knowing something more about the patterm , I can't guess how to anchor the
.* on the right, or how to be more specific with it. '\w+ (?:\w\. )?\w+',
maybe? Probably not.
You sometimes want to use a while(s///g){} when matching globally, too.
That can help in some specified cases. There's more than one way &c.
-Nathan
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 12:20:23 -0500
From: Quentin Fennessy <quentin@shaddam.amd.com>
Subject: Re: Detect "file system is full", etc from Perl?
Message-Id: <ximd8bx7608.fsf@shaddam.amd.com>
>>>>> "dab" == doug a blaisdell <dougb@world.std.com> writes:
Dab> Hi everbuddy! Does anyone know how to detect system type
dab> errors that aren't the result of system(), backticks, exec()
dab> etc, eg:
This depends on our operating system. Typically on Unix a
system call that Perl uses for file i/o will return a sensible
error code. An example (again, in Unix) is:
28 ENOSPC No space left on device
While writing an ordinary file or creating a direc-
tory entry, there is no free space left on the dev-
ice. In the fcntl routine, the setting or removing
of record locks on a file cannot be accomplished
because there are no more record entries left on the
system.
See perlvar(1) around the $OS_ERROR, $ERRNO and $! section.
Check out intro(2) for more information. If you are not running
Unix or a related system then I do not know the answer.
--
Quentin Fennessy AMD, Austin Texas
Secret hacker rule #11 - hackers read manuals
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:58:02 -0500
From: Craig Setera <setera@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Embedding perl on Win32 with Watcom C??
Message-Id: <3592819A.297E77B4@us.ibm.com>
I have the precompiled version of Perl built by Borland C++. Is it
possible for me to embed
Perl in my C program and compile it with Watcom C/C++? Has anyone tried
this and gotten
it to work?
Craig
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:30:53 -0400
From: linberg@literacy.upenn.edu (Steve Linberg)
Subject: Re: Gateway
Message-Id: <linberg-2506981330530001@projdirc.literacy.upenn.edu>
In article <Pine.GSO.3.94.980625104742.24523B-100000@isis>, "Just this
guy, you know" <aaron@soltec.net> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I can't read newsgroups at work, and would like to keep up
> with this one
How about dejanews?
_____________________________________________________________________
Steve Linberg National Center on Adult Literacy
Systems Programmer &c. University of Pennsylvania
linberg@literacy.upenn.edu http://www.literacyonline.org
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 13:04:11 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: rpedersen@nextlink.net
Subject: Re: help with loops
Message-Id: <ogvhz7c4.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
rpedersen@nextlink.net writes:
> for $line (@LogFile) {
> if $line =~ /^something.../i {
> capture the next three lines here..... this is were I need help
> manipulate everything here
> }
> }
If you insist on reading the entire file into any array, as you have
done, rather than reading the file line by line, then your problem
might best be solved with a regular, C-style for loop:
for (my $i = 0; $i < @LogFile; ++$i) {
if ($LogFile[$i] =~ /foo/) {
@captured_stuff = @LogFile[$i+1 .. $i+3];
$i += 4;
}
}
Though this doesn't check for errors, etc. I'd strongly recommend
reading the file in line by line, though.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf/
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:47:30 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Hiding the Perl source
Message-Id: <6mu2fi$6m2$2@client3.news.psi.net>
luong@my-dejanews.com (luong@my-dejanews.com) wrote on MDCCLIX September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:6mt8jq$jni$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>:
++ Hi,
++ I'm finding the way to hide the source code of my
++ perl scripts. I have downloaded some software and
"chmod 000 program" works for me.
++ tested them on my machine. Could anybody share with
++ me your experience on this issue.
++
++ Here is what I have tested:
++ - ShroudIt! (evaluation version from www.lnk.com).
++ The program indeed shrows the perl code, but it also
++ it makes the program unable to run.
++
++ - perl2exe (evaluation version from
++ www.demobuilder.com). This program convert my perl
++ script to .exe file. But then the file size become
++ too big. A 11 KB perl code could grow to 0.5 MB .exe
++
++ - perl compiler version alpha 3 from www.perl.com
++ which convert perl to C. I have not yet finished with
++ this test.
++
++ I wonder if there are other software which I can try.
Well, none of the above will do what you want. And you've forgotten rm.
Could you please read what the FAQ has to say about it?
Abigail
--
The Internet Revolution was founded on open systems: an open system is one
whose software you can look at, a box you can unwrap and play with. It's
not about secret binaries or crippleware or brother-can-you-spare-a-dime
shareware. If everyone always had hidden software, you wouldn't have
1/100th the useful software you have right now.
And you wouldn't have Perl.
[Tom Christiansen in `The new Camel and compiling perl'
<news:53mal3$4b5$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>]
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:51:26 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Hiding the Perl source
Message-Id: <6mu2mu$6m2$3@client3.news.psi.net>
Edvard Majakari (ed@lodge.ton.tut.fi) wrote on MDCCLIX September MCMXCIII
in <URL: news:m0af71lja5.fsf@lodge.ton.tut.fi>:
++ >>>>> "Gabor" == Gabor <gabor@vmunix.com> writes:
++
++ Gabor> So many people in the Perl community give freely their time
++ Gabor> and code that asking such a question is an insult! What makes
++
++ Some people code in Perl for work. And it is sometimes necessary to
++ distribute these sniplets of perl code - not so many companies are
++ willing to share their code for free.
++
++ I'm all for GPL and free (as *free*, not just without cost) software,
++ but sometimes it is just necessary to distribute code without
++ revealing it.
Then don't use perl! Perl is all about openness - otherwise, perl
wouldn't be perl. It would not be ethical to ask that perl itself
is open, but it allows non-openess as well.
++ Not that it makes any difference, but IMHO so called 'core stuff'
++ should be always distributed under GPL. With 'core stuff' I mean all
++ the software needed for developing specialized software, like in Unix,
++ the kernel itself and basic utilities (cat, ls, command interpreter
++ and so on).
I really dislike the attitude of "what I need to develop stuff should
be free, but what I develop should not". It's anti-social.
Abigail
--
perl -MTime::JulianDay -lwe'@r=reverse(M=>(0)x99=>CM=>(0)x399=>D=>(0)x99=>CD=>(
0)x299=>C=>(0)x9=>XC=>(0)x39=>L=>(0)x9=>XL=>(0)x29=>X=>IX=>0=>0=>0=>V=>IV=>0=>0
=>I=>$r=-2449231+gm_julian_day+time);do{until($r<$#r){$_.=$r[$#r];$r-=$#r}for(;
!$r[--$#r];){}}while$r;$,="\x20";print+$_=>September=>MCMXCIII=>()'
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:33:04 -0400
From: Bryan T Hoch <bth@cs.buffalo.edu>
Subject: How do I pass more than one array as a parameter into a subroutine?
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980625132523.12373B-100000@armstrong.cs.Buffalo.EDU>
Hi,
I'm assuming there is a simple solution to my question, but I don't know
it. I looked at the FAQ and I didn't see it there (so I hope I didn't just
miss it and am wasting bandwidth).
What I want to do is pass two different arrays into a subroutine and then
get them out on the other side as the seperate arrays still.
In basics, I want something like this...
&sub_rout(@array1, @array2);
and then somewhere in the subroutine called...
sub sub_rout{
my(@this1, @this2) = @_;
...
}
Something like that. Is there a way of doing that?
Thanks.
Bryan H
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:33:38 -0600
From: Ye Ye <yey@cvilaser.com>
Subject: How to set system time using Perl??
Message-Id: <359289F2.63E3@cvilaser.com>
Hi,
Is there a way to set the system clock using Perl?
I am able to using 'cu' to get the current time from
National Institute of Standards and Technology, but
which function am I suppose to use to set the clock?
I know there is a 'stime' function in C, do I have to
use that?
Thanks for any help.
Ye Ye
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 13:19:38 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: iris@netaxs.com
Subject: Re: Problem with a script
Message-Id: <iulpz6md.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
iris@netaxs.com (S. Young) writes:
> I have been using the standard Perl counter from Matt's Script Archive for
> a number of my web sites. This script seems to have an annoying bug -
> from time to time the count gets reset to 1, which is annoying and
> embarassing. This seems to be happening when 2 people accesss the counter
> at the same time.
Yes. perlfaq5 has an excellent answer to this very question, under "I
still don't get locking. I just want to increment the number in the
file. How can I do this?" The canonical solution involves sysopen and
sarcasm.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf/
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 13:05:24 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: David D Winfield <dwinfield@arrissys.com>
Subject: Re: regex error
Message-Id: <lnqlz7a3.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
David D Winfield <dwinfield@arrissys.com> writes:
> I am having a bit of a problem with this regular expression and it looks
> ok to me. Surely clearer eyes will prevail.
>
> $Msg =~ /^(+\/.\;.)/;
> where
> $Msg = 123;MINUS pso.xxxxxxx/stuff/1221/;Another part of the string
You neglected to mention what your hoped-for result might be.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf/
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:09:41 GMT
From: fordprefect@nospam.bigfooot.com (Ford Prefect)
Subject: Sending mail through another server?
Message-Id: <35927eb9.218953939@news.charm.net>
Hey gang,
I was wondering if someone could point me in the right
direction. I'm looking to send e-mail via a perl script through our
SMTP server here. The box that will be running the script is an NT
box and does not have a mail package in it. The only examples I've
seen are ones that have sendmail already on the box. I did a scan on
this group and through 3 different perl books ( don't know if they're
that good ) and I haven't seen anything that might kick me off in the
right direction. Any ideas?
Ford
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:50:46 -0700
From: lr@hpl.hp.com (Larry Rosler)
Subject: Re: Sending mail through another server?
Message-Id: <MPG.ffc2dd4a0cf7d4c9896cd@nntp.hpl.hp.com>
In article <35927eb9.218953939@news.charm.net>, Ford Prefect
<fordprefect@nospam.bigfooot.com> says...
> Hey gang,
>
> I was wondering if someone could point me in the right
> direction. I'm looking to send e-mail via a perl script through our
> SMTP server here. The box that will be running the script is an NT
> box and does not have a mail package in it. The only examples I've
> seen are ones that have sendmail already on the box. I did a scan on
> this group and through 3 different perl books ( don't know if they're
> that good ) and I haven't seen anything that might kick me off in the
> right direction. Any ideas?
>
> Ford
>
The answer is 42. :-)
--
Larry Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Larry_Rosler/
lr@hpl.hp.com
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 12:03:18 -0500
From: Fred Riley <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Subject: Two possible errors in the Perl CGI FAQ
Message-Id: <359282FE.38BA@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
I've tried to use the sendmail example in section 4.0 of the Perl CGI
FAQ
(ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/perl-cgi-faq.html)
on our Unix system and have come across a couple of what appear (to this
naive soul) to be errors:
1. The script doesn't compile, but instead produces the error:
"Can't find string terminator "End_of_Mail" anywhere before EOF at
mailtest2.pl line 14."
even though the last line of the script is definitely End_of_Mail. This
happened even when I copied it verbatim from the FAQ, without modifying
it at all.
2. According to the man pages on our Unix system, sendmail is in
/usr/lib, not /usr/bin
This message is just for info, not a query. If I've missed anything
obvious, and the above isn't the case, then just ignore this message -
any flames will be ignored.
Cheers
Fred
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 13:25:23 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: Fred Riley <f.h.riley@selc.hull.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Two possible errors in the Perl CGI FAQ
Message-Id: <g1gtz6cs.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
Fred Riley <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk> writes:
> "Can't find string terminator "End_of_Mail" anywhere before EOF at
> mailtest2.pl line 14."
>
> even though the last line of the script is definitely End_of_Mail. This
> happened even when I copied it verbatim from the FAQ, without modifying
> it at all.
Did you remember to put a newline after the here doc terminator? Is
there any extraneous whitespace on that line?
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
http://pobox.com/~jdf/
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 16:38:05 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!)
Message-Id: <6mtudd$4oo$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Kent Perrier (kperrier@blkbox.com) wrote on MDCCLIX September MCMXCIII in
<URL: news:ysizpf1mwnb.fsf@blkbox.com>:
++
++ > Abigail
++ > --
++ > Oops. Did I just suggest looking something up in the manual?
++
++ OBwhine: But Abigail, my Netscape Comminucator news reader doesn't
++ support killfiles! What am I to do?
Uhm, calling that thing a 'news reader' is an insult to all
news readers.
However, there's Perl. And there's Net::NNTP.
Abigail
--
perl -e '$_ = q *4a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c204861636b65720a*;
for ($*=******;$**=******;$**=******) {$**=*******s*..*qq}
print chr 0x$& and q
qq}*excess********}'
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:02:17 -0500
From: Bryan Camp <b-camp@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Ngouah A Nguiamba <ngouah@erols.com>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!)
Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980625114259.4947B-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
First of all, I apologize if
my post does not comply with anyone's specificatons,
i.e. posting my response before the comment instead of after,
or including too much text along with it.
On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Ngouah A Nguiamba wrote:
> Is that so ? Aha !
>
> > P.S. Since I posted yesterday I've had several other people e-mail me and
> > say that they wholeheartedly agree with me, but they are too afraid of
> > geting "torn apart" by the people here.
> What a brave and courageous group of folks you are surrounded with.
> May be it's time for you to join them ?
I, for one, am one of Olga's supporters.
BTW, thanks for the comment about being
"brave and courageous". Why must you
be so sarcastic? The reason I haven't
been posting as frequently as everyone else
is that I have a job, at which I don't have
hours to sit around and come up with 'crafty'
replies to put others down, as some people
here obviously do. I didn't realize that
if a person wished to post a question to
a newsgroup that a person had to be
'brave and courageous'. It's true that
when a "newbie" posts a question, he/she
can expect to receive numerous hostile
responses, not only through personal e-mail,
but to the newsgroups as well. If a post says
"Newbie" in the subject line, how hard is it to
hit the delete key?
> Ngouah Nguiamba
>
>
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 17:21:27 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World (oh, yes!)
Message-Id: <6mu0un$627$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Olga (katzman@students.uiuc.edu) wrote on MDCCLIX September MCMXCIII in
<URL: news:Pine.SOL.3.96.980625093320.20991N-100000@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>:
++ I am not telling mr. Christiansen how to post. I am merely stating that
++ the rudeness exhibited on this ng is very discouraging to those trying to
++ learn.
++ I am not telling anyone what to do. Just pointing out the obvious
I'm not saying you did. I'm just pointing out you are not doing what
you point out as 'the obvious'.
++ Olga
++ P.S. Since I posted yesterday I've had several other people e-mail me and
++ say that they wholeheartedly agree with me, but they are too afraid of
++ geting "torn apart" by the people here. Just letting you all know this so
++ that you don't think I am talking about 1 or 2 isolated incidents
Ah, the silent supporters! They can always be thrown in without harm.
Abigail
--
perl -wleprint -eqq-@{[ -eqw\\- -eJust -eanother -ePerl -eHacker -e\\-]}-
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:16:33 GMT
From: John Porter <jdporter@min.net>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <35928789.56B3@min.net>
Olga wrote:
>
> Well, you do it your way, and I'll do it mine.
If by "you", you mean essentially everyone else on USENET,
then you're right.
I'm guessing you got this bad habit from using software that
encouraged it, such as Lotus cc:Mail, which IMO wins the
award for worst mail user agent ever made.
Hopefully you'll adopt the reasonable practice of putting
your responses after the relevant quoted material.
If nothing else, it makes it possible to respond to
specific parts of the quote, line by line, in a kind of
interlinear fashion.
> Thanks for the hint though
(Also, I think you're getting the hint that one should
edit down the quote to only include that text to which
one is directly responding, as I did here.)
--
John Porter
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 12:25:17 -0500
From: Fred Riley <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <35928804.38B@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
I R A Aggie wrote:
>
> In article <35914AA9.1DFF@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>, Fred Riley
> <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> + Stuart McDow wrote:
>
> + > "A basic understanding of the computer and its OS is assumed"
>
> + Uh-huh. And if you're not a Unix geek? If you're using Perl on Win95/NT?
>
> There are books available...
>
> + If you're a Unix novice?
>
> Again, there are books available. Most of them have indices. You do
> know how to use an index?
Happen as I do, lad. Do I get the drift of what you're saying to be "if
you want to use Perl learn Unix and use Unix/Linux"?
> + Not everyone has access to Unix boxes,
>
> Most everyone has access to Linux...and everyone has access to the
> aforementioned books.
Yup, so if they're perverts using PCs (instead of a real OS) they have
to either ditch DOS/Windows and install Linux, or install Linux on a
separate partition. They then have to learn the arcane language of Unix,
with all its hundreds of esoteric commands and all their thousands of
switches and parameters, by buying expensive books and/or reading the
man pages (many of which are written in a language only distantly
related to English. Only then do they have the right to learn Perl and
post to this NG.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you just want people
who aren't Unix geeks to sod off out of this group and leave you experts
alone. Fine by me - I'm for the off and unsubscribing from this nest of
vipers, but I've got news for you, pal. IT might have been the exclusive
preserve of the technical priesthood five years ago, but now everyone
and their uncle's got a computer so us riff-raff are taking over and
there's sod-all you can do about it. Be seeing you.
Fred
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Date: 25 Jun 1998 12:29:00 -0500
From: Fred Riley <f.h.riley@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: What a Crappy World
Message-Id: <359288E5.2469@NOSPAMselc.hull.ac.uk>
Tom Christiansen wrote:
>
> [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
>
> In comp.lang.perl.misc,
> Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
> :I'd be willing to bet that a majority of people who come here asking
> :"newbie" sort of questions haven't even heard of
> :"news.announce.newusers"
>
> No one should be granted access to Usenet until they've
> read those periodic postings. Period. It's harsh, but
> it's proper.
Tough. Usenet's not under the control of you or anybody else, it's an
anarchy. Sad but true, eh?
Bye
Fred
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