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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 23 May 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2706
Today's topics:
Re: Clearly define "free software" (Christopher Seawood)
Re: Getting hex codes from string (Chris Nandor)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Greg Lindahl)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Abigail)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Abigail)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community (Abigail)
Re: GNU attacks on the open software community <peterm@zeta.org.au>
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil (Tim Smith)
Perl 5.005_xxx <webmaster@fccjmail.fccj.org>
Re: Perl 5.005_xxx <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: Search and Replacing a double-quote character (Craig Berry)
Re: software dictatorship (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software com (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Re: Taint, untaint, recusion and internal functions (Chris Nandor)
Re: Timeout problem (Charles DeRykus)
Re: Tom Christiansen attacks the free software communit (Greg Lindahl)
Re: Tom Christiansen attacks the free software communit (Abigail)
Re: Win95: how do you direct output of perl print to b <ahdiii@webspan.net>
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:09:48 GMT
From: cls@seawood.org (Christopher Seawood)
Subject: Re: Clearly define "free software"
Message-Id: <wrK91.493$r11.1001111@news.san.rr.com>
Stefaan A Eeckels (Stefaan.Eeckels@ecc.lu) wrote:
: The fact that Motif is not available on all machines, or is
: itself a commercial toolkit has *no* impact on the
: GPL'd nature of my program. If that were the case, the only
: systems on which GPL'd code could be run would be the
: non-commercial OS such as *BSD and Linux.
If it were not for the 'comes with the system' exception clause in
the GPL, this would be true. But I agree with you that your portion
of a program you release as "free software as define by the FSF"
*should not* be affected by whatever it links against. However,
because you chose to GPL your program, your portion *is* affected by
the "freeness" of whatever you link it against.
: Your suggesting that linking the program in order to make it
: run infringes the GPL is thus plain wrong.
Actually, I was talking about distributing a linked program that
consists of GPL'd and non-GPL'd parts. And believe me, this is not
my idea, but what I was told by RMS.
: IANAL, but my uncle is ;-)
That has to be extremely convenient. :)
Regards,
Christopher
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:02:41 GMT
From: pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Subject: Re: Getting hex codes from string
Message-Id: <pudge-2305981857060001@dynamic417.ply.adelphia.net>
In article <1d9hqpy.1pbuvgc1mmtnfwN@slip166-72-108-169.ny.us.ibm.net>,
kpreid@ibm.net (Kevin Reid) wrote:
# Chris Nandor <pudge@pobox.com> wrote:
#
# > # The script was written on a Macintosh, so there was no real need to
# > # check the open() -- but I forgot to fix this before posting the script.
# > #
# > # </MISTAKE>
# >
# > Since when is there no need to check your open() on a Mac? Methinks you
# > are confused.
#
# If you've managed to drop the file onto a MacPerl droplet, surely it
# exists!
Not so. It could have been deleted in the time between launching the
droplet and the execution of open(). Or it could be that the Finder has
not caught up with a deletion or move yet, and it does not exist at all
even at the time you drop it. Or maybe something else is going very wrong
with the file and you can't open it for another reason. Just because it
exists, that does not mean you can open it.
--
Chris Nandor mailto:pudge@pobox.com http://pudge.net/
%PGPKey = ('B76E72AD', [1024, '0824090B CE73CA10 1FF77F13 8180B6B6'])
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Date: 23 May 1998 22:23:06 GMT
From: lindahl@pbm.com (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k7i8a$lat@news1.newsguy.com>
fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme) writes:
> I've never gotten the sense that the GNU "community" gives a damn
> about any other open source software community because they often
> permit commercial interests to incorporate the open source into the
> proprietary source in one way or another.
I see you haven't forgotten your favorite axe. However, you still have
to show that there is anyone who is like that; most of the people
countering your GPL-related flames are saying "you use whatever
license you like, and we'll use whatever license we like."
But hey, who said you had to listen?
-- g
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:24:17 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <u1h1ztk8tb2.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
Barry Margolin <barmar@bbnplanet.com> writes:
> The Hurd has some very grandiose ideas for features that RMS is interested
> in promoting (mostly some features he misses from OSes like TOPS-20 and
> ITS). Linux, I believe, is more modest in its goals -- it's basically just
> another POSIX-compliant system. The Hurd is POSIX compliant as well, but
> by basing it on a microkernel, they provide the hooks for many interesting
> extensions, and they have plans to use them.
Oddly, the features that RMS most loved from ITS were ones I didn't
think important enough to put in the Hurd. To those of us involved in
the actual design of the Hurd, this statement of yours is a little
funny...
Thomas
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:29:14 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <u1hzpg87eid.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com> writes:
> Hold up. You mean that GPL'd coding solutions, like lifting a subroutine,
> taken from the Perl docset do not upon their inclusion in your program
> infect it with the GPL? Really? If so, that's wonderful, but I am
> not following your reasoning. How is this different from lifting a
> subroutine from a GPL'd program? What does it matter whether the GPL'd
> object from which the subroutine was taken is a program versus a document?
> I really don't understand. And I'd like to.
I think psmith is incorrect, actually. If the perlfaq said "this can
be distributed under the same terms as Perl itself" then your concerns
would be entirely legitmate: possibly people might think that the
examples in perlfaq were covered by the GPL, and if you don't want
that, you should change things.
One excellent way to do that would be for perlfaq to say "this can be
distributed under the same terms as Perl itself, with the exception
that the example Perl programs in perlfaq are in the public domain."
Thomas
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:30:48 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <u1hyavs7efr.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> writes:
> >Worse still, if I am redhat, I cannot distribute perlfaq at all.
>
> What is stopping you from distributing perlfaq if you are redhat?
Redhat is making a distribution for profit as part of a commercial
enterprise. This is prohibited by the perlfaq license.
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Date: 24 May 1998 01:12:03 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k7s53$gm0$1@client3.news.psi.net>
Barry Margolin (barmar@bbnplanet.com) wrote on MDCCXXVI September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:JNo91.25$hF2.165182@cam-news-reader1.bbnplanet.com>:
++ In article <6k4eks$o4c$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
++ Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
++ >Now, I don't see anything mentioned about free on the page except for
++ >the point about perl. And its context is
++ >
++ > "There are proprietary books, but these are no good, because
++ > they are being withheld from our community by their owners."
++ >
++ >Which is exactly what made me angry. It doesn't point the the existing
++ >manuals. It points to books. It strongly suggests there are no good
++ >manuals except for the books. And that is a terrible lie.
++
++ Did these non-book manuals exist 5 years ago, when the line you quote was
++ written? I'm not accusing you of trying to bend the truth, I truly don't
++ know, and believe that you may not have been aware of the full context of
++ the quote. If these manuals didn't exist then, the worst RMS can be blamed
++ for is not bothering to update the task list, not lying. I suspect that
++ wordsmithing the task list is probably way down on everyone's priority list
++ (although maybe this flamefest will push it up -- I've never seen this much
++ volume in gnu.misc.discuss before).
The page is copyrighted 1997 and 1998. Not 1993. It's a list of
things that are "urgent".
If it's true what you are saying, that the list is 5 years old,
that would just mean the FSF is making a mockery out of its
publications, and nothing written by the FSF can be taken on
face value.
Abigail
--
perl -e '$a = q 94a75737420616e6f74686572205065726c204861636b65720a9 and
${qq$\x5F$} = q 97265646f9 and s g..g;
qq e\x63\x68\x72\x20\x30\x78$&eggee;
{eval if $a =~ s e..eqq qprint chr 0x$& and \x71\x20\x71\x71qeexcess}'
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Date: 24 May 1998 01:20:02 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k7sk2$gm0$2@client3.news.psi.net>
Barry Margolin (barmar@bbnplanet.com) wrote on MDCCXXVI September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:e1q91.31$hF2.165182@cam-news-reader1.bbnplanet.com>:
++
++ That's only because Tom's work has a copyright notice preventing them from
++ doing what they want with it. If Tom's work were free, by the FSF
++ definition, they would be able to do things that cmcurtin would probably
++ characterize as "steal". It wouldn't actually be stealing, though, since
++ the nature of this type of free license is that it explicitly permits these
++ activities.
Aren't you the same Barry Margolin who claimed the list was 5 years
old and the documentation wasn't there at the time? What is it? Was
the item put there because the documentation wasn't there 5 years ago,
or is it there because of the license?
Abigail
--
perl -wle 'print "Prime" if (1 x shift) !~ /^1?$|^(11+?)\1+$/'
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Date: 24 May 1998 01:43:51 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <6k7u0n$gm0$4@client3.news.psi.net>
Tim Smith (tzs@halcyon.com) wrote on MDCCXXVI September MCMXCIII in
<URL: news:6k6bam$cl$1@halcyon.com>:
++ Abigail <abigail@fnx.com> wrote:
++ >Oh, please. Blame me instead of Tom, because it was I who lifted it
++ >from the web page.
++ >
++ >But here's the entire webpage, except for the navigation and
++ >copyright sections:
++ ...
++ > * good free manual for Perl. (There are proprietary books, but
++ > these are no good, because they are being withheld from our
++ > community by their owners.)
++ ...
++ ><URL: http://www.gnu.org/prep/tasks_3.html>
++
++ Unless you have rather strange browsing habits, you didn't start at that
++ page. You came in from other pages that provided ample opportunity to
++ see what FSF means by "free".
IT IS SUGGESTING THE ONLY GOOD MANUALS ARE THE BOOKS.
Undoubtely, the FSF has a page in its sleeve where it defines
books as well. But I didn't find it.
Abigail
--
perl5.004 -wMMath::BigInt -e'$^V=new Math::BigInt+qq;$^F$^W783$[$%9889$^F47$|88768$^W596577669$%$^W5$^F3364$[$^W$^F$|838747$[8889739$%$|$^F673$%$^W98$^F76777$=56;;$^U=substr($]=>$|=>5)*(q.25..($^W=@^V))=>do{print+chr$^V%$^U;$^V/=$^U}while$^V!=$^W'
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 01:56:41 +0000
From: "Peter G. Martin" <peterm@zeta.org.au>
Subject: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <35677E59.17AE4E20@zeta.org.au>
Fergus Henderson wrote:
>
[snip...snip...snip]
>
> Why not? It's his book, he's the vendor, so he can set the price, right?
> Remember, the $120 is not for the PerlFAQ inside,
> the $120 is for the great cover he's going to put on it,
> and for his scintillating prose on the blurb.
>
Jeez, the court system must have changed a lot recently over there in
the U.S.! Or could it be that this is just what it looks like:
a bullshit argument ?
Most places, and most times in the past, this kind of behaviour would
be seen for what it is -- a sham and a piece of outright plagiarism.
Law does not depend entirely on technicalities in the way some
imaginative nit-pickers would have it.
And there's the protection against all this jiggery-pokery, and the
weakness of all this bush-lawyer stuff that's been going on here...
It's usually called the "reasonable man" test. (OK, it was pre-fem-lib
days when it was established a few hundreds of years ago.)
And on the other side, US copyright law still has the "reasonable use"
provisions as it always does....
Don't think this fantastic $120 job would pass any "reasonable use"
provisions anywhere..
--
peterm
Peter G. Martin, Tech.Writer & Perl User, The Scribe & Chutney Trust
peterm@zeta.org.au, http://www.zeta.org.au/~peterm
ROZELLE, Australia +61 2 9818 5094
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:40:13 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <u1hvhqw7e02.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
adam@thelonious.new.ox.ac.uk (Adam Spiers) writes:
> You have stated your respect for Tom and obviously appreciate
> not only the enormous contributions he's made to Perl but also
> his enormous intellect (let's not beat about the bush here :-).
Koff, koff, koff.
> Why, then, do you assume that Tom has not thought very carefully
> about what he is trying to achieve?
Long experience with Tom.
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Date: 23 May 1998 18:19:46 -0700
From: tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: GPL documentation == unspeakable evil
Message-Id: <6k7sji$ek2$1@halcyon.com>
Adam Spiers <adam.spiers@new.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>If I understand the issues correctly myself (and please correct
>me if I'm wrong, which is entirely possible as I haven't had
>enough time to follow the whole discussion), Tom's main
>objection to the Perl documentation being GPLed is that it
>restricts how people can use the code examples from it in their
>own code. In other words, he wants the Perl documentation to be
>"free" in an even stronger sense than the GPL! How anyone can
>object to this I have no idea.
That doesn't seem to be his main objection to licensing documentation
under the terms FSF believes documentation should be licensed under
(which is not GPL--it is similar to GPL). His main objection seems to
be over who can make changes to the documentation.
Suppose I'm writing a program that allows regular expressions in the
user input. Suppose I find that I particularly like the explanation of
regular expressions in the GNU Emacs manual. FSF thinks I should be
able to take the GNU Emacs manual, hack out the parts I like, change
them as I see fit, and stick them in my documentation. They even think
it is fine for me to stick this all on a CD or print it in a book, and
try to sell it. The main restriction is that I have to allow those who
buy it to do the same thing, so I'm not going to be able to "rip off"
people, because if I charge some outrageous price, places like
CheapBytes will get one of my CD's, and start selling copies for a
couple of bucks.
Tom does not want me to be able to take parts of the Perl documentation
and hack them up and use them in my documentation, and he does not want
me selling stuff he worked on on an expensive CD-ROM, so he uses a
different license.
Tom's wishes are perfectly reasonable. However, so are the FSF's, and
so they would like someone to write Perl documentation licensed under
the terms they like.
--Tim Smith
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:13:52 GMT
From: Bill 'Sneex' Jones <webmaster@fccjmail.fccj.org>
Subject: Perl 5.005_xxx
Message-Id: <35675841.E0446855@fccjmail.fccj.org>
Is there a 5.005x or higher available for download?
Thx! :-)
-Sneex-
"A firm supporter of the Kill A Spammer society..."
____________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:07:37 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: bill@astro.fccj.cc.fl.us
Subject: Re: Perl 5.005_xxx
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523170133.24130H-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Sat, 23 May 1998, Bill 'Sneex' Jones wrote:
> Is there a 5.005x or higher available for download?
Not yet, or you'd have seen an announcement on c.l.p.announce. But there
are test versions available on CPAN - but they're known to be buggy;
that's why they're tests, not release versions. If you're wanting to test
one and willing to report (or even fix!) the bugs you find, give one a
whirl. I'd tell you where to find a test version, but no one should try
one of the test versions who can't find it. :-)
Cheers!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 23 May 1998 23:00:10 GMT
From: cberry@cinenet.net (Craig Berry)
Subject: Re: Search and Replacing a double-quote character
Message-Id: <6k7kdq$454$1@marina.cinenet.net>
fastmethod@mindless.com wrote:
: Is there a way to search for and replace a double-quote character: " ?
: This line of code does not seem to be doing the trick:
:
: $no_quotes_in_this_string =~ s/"/QQ/gi;
No need for that i qualifier -- " has no case.
This works fine for me:
$a = 'foo"bar"baz';
$a =~ s/"/QQ/g;
print "$a\n";
prints
fooQQbarQQbaz
Are you sure you don't have some other problem?
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:35:32 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: software dictatorship
Message-Id: <u1hwwbc7e7v.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
fjh@cs.mu.oz.au (Fergus Henderson) writes:
> However, if Tom C. should happen to lose it, then what? As far as
> his documentation goes, then we'd be screwed.
"Should happen to". "Should happen to".
I'm still trying to understand the use of the hypothetical here.
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Date: 23 May 1998 19:43:00 -0400
From: tb@mit.edu (Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG)
Subject: Re: Suggestion Re: GNU attacks on the open software community
Message-Id: <u1hu36g7dvf.fsf@ten-thousand-dollar-bill.MIT.EDU>
tzs@halcyon.com (Tim Smith) writes:
> The courtesy copies he sends have the same notice on them, so that's not
> really a problem.
Being an out gay Christian on Usenet exposes one to a fair amount of
hate mail, so I was well prepared for Tom's email. It's a shame he's
do fond of the tactics of Jesse Helms and his ilk.
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:04:46 GMT
From: pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
Subject: Re: Taint, untaint, recusion and internal functions
Message-Id: <pudge-2305981859110001@dynamic417.ply.adelphia.net>
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980523154541.24130F-100000@user2.teleport.com>,
Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com> wrote:
# On Sat, 23 May 1998, Kevin Reid wrote:
#
# > > give the script a command line parameter and $var will be tainted.
# >
# > I'm using a Mac; no command line here.
#
# When taint checking is turned on, data read from a file will normally be
# tainted. But the last time I checked, MacPerl (temporarily) didn't have a
# way to enable taint checking; that was a few months ago, though.
MacPerl has had taint checking for a long time. It was somewhat broken in
r4 (based on 5.004) because of the new way of enabling taint checks, but
now there is 1.) a menu option to turn on taint checks, and 2.) an Apple
Event parameter to enable taint checks when sending a Do Script event to
MacPerl. Simply putting -T at the top of a script does not work, this
much is true.
--
Chris Nandor mailto:pudge@pobox.com http://pudge.net/
%PGPKey = ('B76E72AD', [1024, '0824090B CE73CA10 1FF77F13 8180B6B6'])
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:03:33 GMT
From: ced@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Charles DeRykus)
Subject: Re: Timeout problem
Message-Id: <EtFMpx.4t2@news.boeing.com>
In article <6k5dvu$jvn@hplntx.hpl.hp.com>, Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com> wrote:
> Charles DeRykus wrote in message ...
>>> How could I set out a timeout for a function so that if it dosn't
>>> return a value in $timeout seconds, the function will be 'killed'??
>>
>> perldoc -f alarm
>>
>> On most non-Unix systems though, alarm's not available.
>>
>Can one conclude therefore that this problem has no solution on must
>non-Unix systems?
>
>
Nick Ing-Simmons efforts though look promising:
:Problems specific to the Win32 platform (as opposed the generality of
:the distributed Perl code) include a lack of the alarm() function
Nick Ing-Simmons did something about this (you'll see it in 5.004_59).
Unfortunately, it doesn't work without an event loop of some kind that
peeks at windows messages. There's a fundamental problem in Win32
with making a user-mode APC asynchronous (apparently only the kernel
can interrupt running programs asynchronously) when perl is not in
a wait state. This makes alarm() non-trivial (at least as I
understand it). Perhaps you have some ideas you can share?
...
Sarathy
--
Charles DeRykus
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Date: 23 May 1998 22:25:59 GMT
From: lindahl@pbm.com (Greg Lindahl)
Subject: Re: Tom Christiansen attacks the free software community (was: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community)
Message-Id: <6k7idn$lat@news1.newsguy.com>
fantome/@/usa/./net (le Fanttme) writes:
> The FSF has really chosen the wrong descriptor, because the software
> is open source -- but more to the point, it is perpetually open source
> (that is, once open, the software itself can't be re closed by anyone;
> new versions could be by the original author, but not the original).
>From the hundreds of postings on both sides of that issue, you should
be aware by now that your opinion isn't the only one which can be
strongly supported. Go figure out what a "religious war" is, and then
stop wasting everyone's time by trying to continue one.
-- g
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Date: 24 May 1998 01:40:22 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Tom Christiansen attacks the free software community (was: Re: GNU attacks on the open software community)
Message-Id: <6k7tq6$gm0$3@client3.news.psi.net>
Tyson Richard DOWD (trd@hydra.cs.mu.oz.au) wrote on MDCCXXVI September
MCMXCIII in <URL: news:6k5ros$j2i$1@hydra.cs.mu.oz.au>:
++ abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) writes:
++
++ >Tyson Richard DOWD (trd@cs.mu.oz.au) wrote on MDCCXXV September MCMXCIII
++ >in <URL: news:6k35r4$49m$1@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>:
++ >++
++ >++ No, it is incumbent on whoever quoted them out of context.
++ >++
++ >++ What do you expect the FSF to do, monitor every newsgroup for people
++ >++ who read something on their web page and are quoting it out of
++ >++ context?
++
++ >Oh please. Out of context? It was me who first quoted that page, and
++ >it was the CONTEXT that made me angry.
++
++ > "A good free manual for Perl. (There are proprietary books, but these
++ > are no good, because they are being withheld from our community by
++ > their owners.)"
++
++
++ >Other points in the list only mention 'manual'. But the point for Perl
++ >adds "free". And the context given are "proprietary books". IT DOES NOT
++ >SAY A SINGLE BIT ABOUT THE EXISTING MANUALS. It doesn't say that the
++ >manuals aren't free in FSF religion. It says that there are proprietary
++ >books.
++
++ Proprietary is the exact opposite of free in FSF terminology. They
++ make this pretty clear in their philosophy statements too. "Being
++ withheld from our community" means the same as proprietary.
++
++ So it says:
++ A good FSF-free manual for Perl. (There are non-FSF-free
++ books, but these are no good because they are non-FSF-free).
++
Indeed. And even with your rewording, it still doesn't say anything
about the 1000 pages of documentation that comes with Perl. It is
still suggesting the only good manuals available for Perl are the
books.
Abigail
--
perl -pwle '$_ .= reverse'
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Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:24:35 -0400
From: Arthur Dardia <ahdiii@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: Win95: how do you direct output of perl print to browser?
Message-Id: <35675AB3.BFDFDB99@webspan.net>
You'll need a webserver for Win95, such as Apache (www.apache.org) or omnihttpd.
Then you can configure it to run CGI and Perl scripts.
Arthur Dardia
Mich72252 wrote:
> I just installed perl on win95. From a dos window it works fine.
> However when I invoke a perl program from an HTML document in Netscape
> navigator, it quickly opens a dos window, writes to it, closes the dos window,
> and leaves the browser unaffected. How can I generate html and send it to the
> browser window?
>
> Sincerely,
> Rhena, a newbie in NY
>
> Thanks in advance for any help...
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