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Mon May 4 15:06:38 1998
Date: Mon, 4 May 98 12:00:27 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 4 May 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2492
Today's topics:
Re: 1701 days hath September (was: Re: rename funciton) <sowmaster@juicepigs.com>
Re: Adding 600 users to a Linux password file <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: ANNOUNCE: Perl Builder IDE Now Available (Ilya Zakharevich)
curses <jkong@istar.ca>
Re: Determining Disk Space <grinch@whoville.com>
Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules? <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules? <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules? <upsetter@shore.net>
Re: extracting a sub-string <grinch@whoville.com>
Re: Hello people, want to learn Perl ? <sowmaster@juicepigs.com>
Re: How many files can I open? (Paul Buder)
Re: How To Concatenate Discrete Elements <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: How To Concatenate Discrete Elements <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: If Perl had immediate subroutines... <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: If Perl had immediate subroutines... (Bart Lateur)
Job for skilled perl programmer! <agjemmes@virtualis.com>
Re: Perl/Wall lingo question (Ken Fox)
Re: Perl/Wall lingo question (John Porter)
Problem building Perl on HPUX 9.04 alank@mjr.com
Re: Redirection <doug@weboneinc.net>
Re: split... <webmaster@weboneinc.com>
Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Useful web sites for beginnings [Was: Re: Hello people, lvirden@cas.org
Re: visual basic replacement lvirden@cas.org
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:57:48 -0400
From: Bob Trieger <sowmaster@juicepigs.com>
Subject: Re: 1701 days hath September (was: Re: rename funciton)
Message-Id: <354DF38C.7BB@juicepigs.com>
John Porter wrote:
>
> On 1 May 1998 18:40:42 GMT,
> in article <6id4va$jmi$1@news.NERO.NET>,
> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) wrote:
> >
> > While this may be true, and as a member and observer of this community
> > I don't believe it, there is still a big difference between your first
> > statement "the perl community will moderate itself" and "moderation by
> > a few members of the community".
>
> Not nearly as big as the difference between the moderating board of
> clp.mod and "large governments".
No there isn't. Think of this newsgroup as a moderated IRC channel. It
starts off innocent enough with a couple of moderators elected. Then
they op a couple of friends who elected them and they op some friends
and they op some friends. Before you know it, the majority of people on
the channel are ops and nobody is moderating the moderators.
--
Bob Trieger | Titanic: big boat, bigger
sowmaster@juicepigs.com | iceberg, big deal
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:12:07 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Wiebe de Wolf <wiebe@worldcom.nl>
Subject: Re: Adding 600 users to a Linux password file
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980504095735.13084I-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Wiebe de Wolf wrote:
> First of all: I have to use the Perl4 which is provided by my Internet
> provider (we have a virtual server).
If your sysadmin won't install Perl 5, you should get a new one, no way
around it. But you can install Perl and modules yourself, without being an
admin, in nearly all cases.
> Second: I am not familliar with modules and libraries.
Hardly any of us were familiar with those things forty years ago. If you
start running today, you should be able to catch up. :-)
> Once again I would like to ask you if there isn't a simple answer
Do you think that we're giving you the hard way to do this? It's easiest
to install the Perl 5 and use free modules from CPAN. The alternative is
to have buggy code which is difficult to write, to read, to administer and
to maintain. In what way would that be simple?
This is like saying, "It just seems like too much trouble to take my suit
to the laundry, and I can't keep perchloroethylene at home. Can't you just
tell me a simple way to wash my Armani suit on a rock in the river so that
I can make it look good again?" :-)
Hope this helps!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 4 May 1998 18:35:14 GMT
From: ilya@math.ohio-state.edu (Ilya Zakharevich)
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Perl Builder IDE Now Available
Message-Id: <6il1p2$nib$1@mathserv.mps.ohio-state.edu>
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Randal Schwartz
<merlyn@stonehenge.com>],
who wrote in article <8cu376sw50.fsf@gadget.cscaper.com>:
> So, Perl syntax depends on prior-seen Perl semantics. And until you
> get an "editor" that knows all of Perl semantics, any hope at a
> completely accurate syntax-assist is gone.
Just insert
(require "halting-problem")
in the top of your perl-mode.el.
Ilya
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:47:15 -0300
From: "Jim Kong" <jkong@istar.ca>
Subject: curses
Message-Id: <6il2l0$m8o$1@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca>
Can anyone tell me if I can download a precompiled version of curses
required for perlmenu ?
I'm looking for a version for win32 and for solaris 2.6.
thanks in advance
Jim
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:45:51 -0400
From: "Grinch" <grinch@whoville.com>
Subject: Re: Determining Disk Space
Message-Id: <6il1d2$h7s@fridge.shore.net>
Peter A Fein wrote in message <87bttessm0.fsf@bj2-64.rh.uchicago.edu>...
>On unix, try `du`. Easily parseable results too.
On Win32, go to www.cygnus.com and install their Gnu tools.
Then, try 'du'. Easily parseable results too. ;-)
-grinch
--
-----
"It's not real coffee unless the sugar cubes float." - me
Sherm Pendley
grinch@whoville.com
http://www.whoville.com
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Date: 04 May 1998 13:24:12 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: Art Cohen <upsetter@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules?
Message-Id: <4sz5c2sz.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
Art Cohen <upsetter@shore.net> writes:
> Since I don't have root access, I'm trying to install a local copy
> in the directory where I'm writing my perl scripts.
Just making sure: have read the FAQs that deal with this issue?
You otherwsie might miss some necessary step.
> My first try failed because it didn't install a module called
> "Net::Config". There doesn't appear to be any mention of it in the
> by-modules/Net directory of CPAN, so maybe it's generated by the
> install process, but it's not being installed in my case.
Don't try to install Net::SMTP in isolation. You want libnet.
(CPAN): /modules/by-module/Net/libnet-1.0605.tar.gz
> As I try to install Data::Dumper, I get this message:
> gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cpp': No such file or
> directory
You might need to do the no-xsub install, as documented in the README
that accompanies Data::Dumper.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 4 May 1998 17:20:56 GMT
From: Tom Christiansen <tchrist@mox.perl.com>
Subject: Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules?
Message-Id: <6iktdo$ean$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.lang.perl.misc, Brian Mathis <brianm@kodak.com> writes:
:Just curious, why? It would seem to be quite a bit safer then piping to
:sendmail -t or mail or some other method. What are the pros, cons?
How can the module be 'safer'?
Perl is about gluing things together. Programs are some of the things
we glue together, by using pipes. Pop (plain old perl) programming
should not be disparaged out of Programmatic Correctness.
open(SENDMAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t -odq")
This approach also has other advantages. Notice the -odq, for example.
--tom
--
Tom Christiansen tchrist@jhereg.perl.com
The debate rages on: Is PL/I Bactrian or Dromedary?
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Date: 4 May 1998 17:35:09 GMT
From: Art Cohen <upsetter@shore.net>
Subject: Re: Ever Wonder Why Not Everyone Uses Modules?
Message-Id: <6iku8d$cvm@fridge.shore.net>
You know, it's very annoying to reply to an (unmarked) email cc only to
discover that the same message was also posted to the group. Doesn't your
newsreading software give you an option to put "posted and mailed" at the
top of the message?
Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com> wrote:
: Don't try to install Net::SMTP in isolation. You want libnet.
I should have been more specific... I was installing the whole libnet
package.
: You might need to do the no-xsub install, as documented in the README
: that accompanies Data::Dumper.
I'll take another look at the docs, but you're not doing anything to
convince me that using this module will be worth the trouble. I don't know
or care what Data::Dumper does... I just want to send some email, and if I
were working on a project with a deadline I would have just written the
code to communicate with sendmail myself (several hours ago) and been done
with it.
Furthermore, if using module x requires a special installation of module
y, that makes it all the more unlikely that I'd ever use it on a client's
site.
--Art
National Ska/Reggae Calendar: www.ziplink.net/~upsetter/ska/calendar.html
Boston Ska Home Page: www.ziplink.net/~upsetter/ska/index.html
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:55:13 -0400
From: "Grinch" <grinch@whoville.com>
Subject: Re: extracting a sub-string
Message-Id: <6il1ul$ho8@fridge.shore.net>
Hakan Hjelmstrom wrote in message <354c0183.142228543@news.algonet.se>...
>Nice example, horrible looking HTML though.
...which is precisely what is produced by most wysiwyg editors. Even when
it's valid (which is not always the case), the HTML code produced by such is
seldom very human-readable. In particular, it's usually filled with HTML
tags that are split across lines, like in Tom's first example.
-grinch
--
-----
"It's not real coffee unless the sugar cubes float." - me
Sherm Pendley
grinch@whoville.com
http://www.whoville.com
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:12:58 -0400
From: Bob Trieger <sowmaster@juicepigs.com>
To: Eric Hagen <ehagen@Hawaii.Edu>
Subject: Re: Hello people, want to learn Perl ?
Message-Id: <354DF71A.6B2E@juicepigs.com>
Eric Hagen wrote:
>
> Could be an interesting study in "most common mistakes made" though.
>
> I'm a "newbie" myself, and I laugh at scripts I made half a year ago.
>
> I know this has been covered time and time again. BUT.
>
> I have searched the net for a cookbook style site, while the docs are
> GREAT, and there is a lot out there, I really would love to see a site
> that has a starting example, then a list discussion fo the pros and cons
> of the topic, and different ways of doing it.
Have you ever searched the web for "perl and tutorial" or "perl and
tutorial and examples"?
There are literally tens of thousands of examples out there which will
show what they are doing and why. Some of them aren't the best, but it's
a learning experience fixing them.
--
Bob Trieger | Titanic: big boat, bigger
sowmaster@juicepigs.com | iceberg, big deal
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:58:40 GMT
From: paulb@user1.teleport.com (Paul Buder)
Subject: Re: How many files can I open?
Message-Id: <6ikvke$cmc$1@user1.teleport.com>
In <6ijs0d$i6_001@its.csiro.au> hans.xie@its.csiro.au (Hans Xie) writes:
>HI,
>It looks like I can only open 60 files for writing. When I try to open more,
>the file is not created, and no complain information send back!
>How to get beyond this limits? I need to open about 200 files for writing.
>I am using PERL 5.004_04 on Solaris 2.5
Get the BSD::Resource module from CPAN. It will allow you to bump
your number of file handles up to 1024. Alternatively you could use
syscall but that is messy.
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Date: 04 May 1998 13:53:02 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: How To Concatenate Discrete Elements
Message-Id: <yawhamwh.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
Frank Blanchard <nospam@thank.you> writes:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
you're not welcome
> but i only want to concatenate
> the fifth and seventh $field
> (or any combination) in the row
"Any combination?" You need to read about array slices in the
perldata doc. Here's an example:
$html = join "<br>\n", @fields[5,7];
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:53:12 GMT
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Frank Blanchard <nospam@thank.you>
Subject: Re: How To Concatenate Discrete Elements
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980504104815.13084L-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On Mon, 4 May 1998, Frank Blanchard wrote:
> this code concatenates each
> non-empty $field with a <br>
> foreach $field (@row) {
> but i only want to concatenate the fifth and seventh $field (or any
> combination) in the row
You could use a slice:
foreach $field (@row[4,6]) { ... }
Hope this helps!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 04 May 1998 13:47:44 -0500
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
To: jll@skynet.be
Subject: Re: If Perl had immediate subroutines...
Message-Id: <1zu9c1pr.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
jll@skynet.be writes:
> IOW, isubs would bring native macros, inline functions, conditional
> compilation, multiline comments (limited to q{}-quotable text), and
> what else, to Perl...without resorting to a different, perhaps
> less-powerful language (` la cpp).
Hmm. You may use the C preprocessor for macros and conditional
compilation (see perlrun). You may use pod commands to construct
multiline comments. And in the case of sorting functions and constant
functions, perl provides inlining, though (obviously) you're looking
for a more generalized thingy.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:50:35 GMT
From: bart.mediamind@tornado.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: If Perl had immediate subroutines...
Message-Id: <35510d9b.1762488@news.tornado.be>
jll@skynet.be wrote:
>Does anybody here remember Forth? That very peculiar - and powerful -
>language had a notion of 'immediate' subroutines: they would be
>executed at parse time. Forth was implemented mostly in itself thanks
>to similar facilities.
Have you looked into BEGIN blocks? Very similar. VERY.
An example (in a CGI, at the start of the code):
BEGIN {
$SIG{'__WARN__'} = sub {
print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n";
local($\) = "\n";
print $_[0];
};
$SIG{'__DIE__'} = sub {
&{$SIG{'__WARN__'}};
exit(1);
};
}
Now, if you "use" a module that wasn't found, or if your script contains
an error, so that it won't even compile, you'll see the error message in
you browser. Is that "immediate" enough for you?
p.s. You can have more than one BEGIN block. They'll all be executed in
order. Remember that "use" has a BEGIN built into it, so "use" is
actually an immediate word.
Bart.
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Date: 4 May 1998 17:00:50 GMT
From: "Asbjorn Gjemmestad" <agjemmes@virtualis.com>
Subject: Job for skilled perl programmer!
Message-Id: <01bd777e$37821ae0$67ac4382@asbj-rng>
am in desperate need for someone to help me debug a perl script.
The work shouldn't take more than half an hour, and you will get
compensation for your work if requred.
Please email me ASAP!!!
Asbjorn (agjemmes@online.no)
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Date: 4 May 1998 16:56:48 GMT
From: kfox@pt0204.pto.ford.com (Ken Fox)
Subject: Re: Perl/Wall lingo question
Message-Id: <6iks0g$p2v2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>
jdporter@min.net (John Porter) writes:
> Here's the real deal:
> Point: 0 dimensions
> Line: 1 dimension
> Plane: 2 dimensions
> Space: 3 dimensions
Does this terminology hold true for greater than 3-d spaces? Or does
"plane" become equivalent to "hyper-plane", etc.? Anyways, the math
notation is useless in computer science (unless the problem domain of
the program you're writing is mathematics... ;) There is no ordained
mapping between arrays and vectors.
- Ken
--
Ken Fox (kfox@ford.com) | My opinions or statements do
| not represent those of, nor are
Ford Motor Company, Powertrain | endorsed by, Ford Motor Company.
Analytical Powertrain Methods Department |
Software Development Section | "Is this some sort of trick
| question or what?" -- Calvin
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:47:28 GMT
From: jdporter@min.net (John Porter)
Subject: Re: Perl/Wall lingo question
Message-Id: <MPG.fb7d8c32ee292fe9896a3@news.min.net>
On 4 May 1998 16:56:48 GMT,
in article <6iks0g$p2v2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>,
kfox@pt0204.pto.ford.com (Ken Fox) wrote:
> jdporter@min.net (John Porter) writes:
> > Here's the real deal:
> > Point: 0 dimensions
> > Line: 1 dimension
> > Plane: 2 dimensions
> > Space: 3 dimensions
>
> Does this terminology hold true for greater than 3-d spaces? Or does
> "plane" become equivalent to "hyper-plane", etc.?
I don't think there's any standard terminology for 4+ dimensions.
"Space-time" is often used to mean the 4-d system we see.
"Hyperspace" could mean anything beyond that.
> Anyways, the math notation is useless in computer science (unless the
> problem domain of the program you're writing is mathematics... ;)
I don't think I'd agree with that. Computer science is built on
mathematics.
Let's say you had a 3-d array of numbers:
float a[8][8][8];
then each one can be located by a 3-d vector:
a[2][5][1] = 0.0;
The fact that [2][5][1] looks a little different from (2,5,1)
is really irrelevant. In fact, it's language-dependent.
In fortran, we have:
real a(8,8,8)
a(2,5,1) = 0.0
Of course, it's this ordered tuple of indices (2,5,1) which is
a vector, NOT the "space" a.
> There is no ordained
> mapping between arrays and vectors.
No, but I think people just want to know why arrays are sometimes
called vectors. It's for a good reason, imho.
John Porter
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:22:21 -0600
From: alank@mjr.com
Subject: Problem building Perl on HPUX 9.04
Message-Id: <6iktgd$aag$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Hi,
Am trying to build perl5.004_04 on HPUX 9.04 with gcc 2.7.2.
This is what happens:
# make
`sh cflags libperl.a miniperlmain.o` miniperlmain.c
CCCMD = gcc -DPERL_CORE -c -D_HPUX_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include -O
as: /usr/tmp/cca28225.s @line#93 [err#1052]
Directive name not recognized - PARAM
*** Error code 1
Stop.
Myconfig is:
Summary of my perl5 (5.0 patchlevel 4 subversion 4) configuration:
Platform:
osname=hpux, osvers=9, archname=PA-RISC1.1
uname='hp-ux ox a.09.04 b 9000826 1190370311 16-user license '
hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define
bincompat3=n useperlio=undef d_sfio=undef
Compiler:
cc='gcc', optimize='-O', gccversion=2.7.2.1
cppflags='-D_HPUX_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include'
ccflags ='-D_HPUX_SOURCE -I/usr/local/include'
stdchar='unsigned char', d_stdstdio=define, usevfork=false
voidflags=15, castflags=0, d_casti32=undef, d_castneg=define
intsize=4, alignbytes=8, usemymalloc=y, prototype=define
Linker and Libraries:
ld='ld', ldflags =' -L/usr/local/lib'
libpth=/usr/local/lib /usr/lib/pa1.1 /lib /usr/lib
libs=-lnet -lndbm -ldld -lm -lc -lndir -lcrypt
libc=/lib/libc.sl, so=sl
useshrplib=false, libperl=libperl.a
Dynamic Linking:
dlsrc=dl_none.xs, dlext=none, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=''
cccdlflags='', lddlflags=''
Can anyone help me?
Thanks.
Alan Katz, alank@mjr.com
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:03:27 -0400
From: Douglas Clifton <doug@weboneinc.net>
Subject: Re: Redirection
Message-Id: <354E02EF.ACFC5C4C@weboneinc.net>
Jan Krynicky wrote:
>
> Brian Dwornick wrote:
>
> print "Location:
> http://$ENV{SERVER_NAME}/admin.cgi?username=$username&session=$session";
Also, don't forget the `Location' header needs to be followed by two
newlines and *don't* send a Content-type header (w/ 2 newlines) first.
--
Douglas Clifton
Unix/C/Perl/CGI/HTML Programmer
doug@weboneinc.com
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Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 13:48:47 -0400
From: The Manitee <webmaster@weboneinc.com>
Subject: Re: split...
Message-Id: <354DFF7F.FE60F5B@weboneinc.com>
--------------B5EE64B59AE7B20289E1D693
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Just use an array dude. Like
@blah = split(/,/, $_);
--
*******************************
Josh Schoof
Systems Administrator
Web One, Inc.
mailto:webmaster@weboneinc.com
http://www.weboneinc.com
*******************************
--------------B5EE64B59AE7B20289E1D693
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
<HTML>
Just use an array dude. Like
<P>@blah = split(/,/, $_);
<PRE>--
*******************************
Josh Schoof
Systems Administrator
Web One, Inc.
<A HREF="mailto:webmaster@weboneinc.com">mailto:webmaster@weboneinc.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.weboneinc.com">http://www.weboneinc.com</A>
*******************************</PRE>
</HTML>
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Date: 4 May 1998 17:48:32 GMT
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
Subject: Statistics for comp.lang.perl.misc
Message-Id: <6ikv1g$c34$7@info.uah.edu>
Following is a summary of articles spanning a 7 day period,
beginning at 27 Apr 1998 16:08:42 GMT and ending at
04 May 1998 23:15:11 GMT.
Notes
=====
- A line in the body of a post is considered to be original if it
does *not* match the regular expression /^\s{0,3}(?:>|:|\S+>|\+\+)/.
- All text after the last cut line (/^-- $/) in the body is
considered to be the author's signature.
- The scanner prefers the Reply-To: header over the From: header
in determining the "real" e-mail address and name.
- Original Content Rating (OCR) is the ratio of the original content
volume to the total body volume.
- Find the News-Scan distribution on the CPAN!
<URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/modules/by-module/News/>
- Please send all comments to Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>.
Excluded Posters
================
perlfaq-suggestions\@mox\.perl\.com
Totals
======
Posters: 503
Articles: 1620 (675 with cutlined signatures)
Threads: 437
Volume generated: 2672.5 kb
- headers: 1148.5 kb (23,104 lines)
- bodies: 1406.5 kb (44,528 lines)
- original: 962.3 kb (32,718 lines)
- signatures: 115.9 kb (2,334 lines)
Original Content Rating: 0.684
Averages
========
Posts per poster: 3.2
median: 1 post
mode: 1 post - 311 posters
s: 8.6 posts
Posts per thread: 3.7
median: 2 posts
mode: 1 post - 115 threads
s: 4.4 posts
Message size: 1689.3 bytes
- header: 726.0 bytes (14.3 lines)
- body: 889.0 bytes (27.5 lines)
- original: 608.3 bytes (20.2 lines)
- signature: 73.3 bytes (1.4 lines)
Top 10 Posters by Number of Posts
=================================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Posts Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Address
----- -------------------------- -------
129 216.5 (107.7/ 92.5/ 61.5) Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
66 122.6 ( 46.2/ 62.4/ 40.2) mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
55 80.5 ( 35.7/ 44.7/ 27.4) Gellyfish@btinternet.com
47 85.6 ( 40.6/ 34.2/ 21.1) comdog@computerdog.com (brian d foy)
45 77.2 ( 34.8/ 30.4/ 14.7) rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
38 52.8 ( 26.1/ 26.6/ 15.0) jdporter@min.net
33 61.9 ( 26.6/ 30.3/ 25.5) tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
32 55.2 ( 21.4/ 33.7/ 26.7) mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason Dominus)
31 53.1 ( 25.9/ 22.3/ 8.7) abigail@fnx.com
23 34.2 ( 18.7/ 15.5/ 8.3) Brian Mathis <brianm@kodak.com>
These posters accounted for 30.8% of all articles.
Top 10 Posters by Volume
========================
(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Address
-------------------------- ----- -------
216.5 (107.7/ 92.5/ 61.5) 129 Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
122.6 ( 46.2/ 62.4/ 40.2) 66 mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
85.6 ( 40.6/ 34.2/ 21.1) 47 comdog@computerdog.com (brian d foy)
80.5 ( 35.7/ 44.7/ 27.4) 55 Gellyfish@btinternet.com
77.2 ( 34.8/ 30.4/ 14.7) 45 rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
61.9 ( 26.6/ 30.3/ 25.5) 33 tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
55.2 ( 21.4/ 33.7/ 26.7) 32 mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason Dominus)
53.1 ( 25.9/ 22.3/ 8.7) 31 abigail@fnx.com
52.8 ( 26.1/ 26.6/ 15.0) 38 jdporter@min.net
34.2 ( 18.7/ 15.5/ 8.3) 23 Brian Mathis <brianm@kodak.com>
These posters accounted for 31.4% of the total volume.
Top 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
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(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
1.000 ( 2.5 / 2.5) 6 gabor@vmunix.com (Gabor)
0.985 ( 6.2 / 6.3) 7 pudge@pobox.com (Chris Nandor)
0.970 ( 1.7 / 1.8) 5 belg4mit@aol.com (Belg4mit)
0.959 ( 7.9 / 8.2) 11 fl_aggie@thepentagon.com (I R A Aggie)
0.957 ( 2.5 / 2.7) 5 Quentin Fennessy <quentin@shaddam.amd.com>
0.955 ( 5.5 / 5.8) 8 "yary h." <fecund@fatnet.net>
0.929 ( 4.9 / 5.3) 7 macintsh@cs.bu.edu (John Siracusa)
0.892 ( 13.3 / 15.0) 5 Greg Bacon <gbacon@cs.uah.edu>
0.843 ( 25.5 / 30.3) 33 tchrist@mox.perl.com (Tom Christiansen)
0.820 ( 5.1 / 6.2) 5 rokicki@cello.hpl.hp.com (Tom Rokicki)
Bottom 10 Posters by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Address
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.483 ( 14.7 / 30.4) 45 rjk@coos.dartmouth.edu
0.462 ( 1.6 / 3.4) 5 Tony Curtis <Tony.Curtis+usenet@vcpc.univie.ac.at>
0.461 ( 3.2 / 6.9) 10 kpreid@ibm.net (Kevin Reid)
0.454 ( 3.4 / 7.5) 7 ced@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Charles DeRykus)
0.439 ( 2.9 / 6.5) 7 Uri Guttman <uri@sysarch.com>
0.422 ( 2.5 / 5.9) 8 Brad Baxter <bmb@ginger.libs.uga.edu>
0.400 ( 2.9 / 7.2) 6 otis@POPULUS.net
0.387 ( 8.7 / 22.3) 31 abigail@fnx.com
0.377 ( 4.7 / 12.5) 21 Bob Trieger <sowmaster@juicepigs.com>
0.343 ( 0.6 / 1.8) 5 Andy Armstrong <andy@wonderworks.co.uk>
Top 10 Threads by Number of Posts
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Posts Subject
----- -------
53 1701 days hath September (was: Re: rename funciton)
28 Defending Perl
25 http Reg Exp
24 You people want Perl to be popular?
23 ANNOUNCE: Perl Builder IDE Now Available
22 How to read command line literally?
20 Permutations in hashes make Perl hurt
20 QRe: == vs. eq
20 'each' and recursion, do they mix?
17 Perl/Wall lingo question
These threads accounted for 15.6% of all articles.
Top 10 Threads by Volume
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(kb) (kb) (kb) (kb)
Volume ( hdr/ body/ orig) Posts Subject
-------------------------- ----- -------
102.2 ( 44.4/ 51.5/ 31.6) 53 1701 days hath September (was: Re: rename funciton)
53.3 ( 18.6/ 31.1/ 14.3) 25 http Reg Exp
45.7 ( 12.8/ 32.5/ 26.1) 20 Permutations in hashes make Perl hurt
44.8 ( 22.5/ 19.9/ 10.0) 28 Defending Perl
41.4 ( 16.8/ 23.3/ 16.6) 20 'each' and recursion, do they mix?
37.4 ( 16.8/ 18.3/ 11.3) 22 How to read command line literally?
36.3 ( 17.0/ 18.0/ 12.1) 23 ANNOUNCE: Perl Builder IDE Now Available
36.3 ( 16.2/ 18.8/ 11.1) 20 QRe: == vs. eq
32.1 ( 14.1/ 16.5/ 11.0) 17 Perl/Wall lingo question
30.0 ( 6.8/ 22.9/ 14.1) 9 Bible References converted into Text
These threads accounted for 17.2% of the total volume.
Top 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
==============================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.877 ( 1.0/ 1.1) 5 editor?
0.872 ( 5.3/ 6.1) 10 Getting the filehandle from a typeglob
0.842 ( 10.6/ 12.6) 9 Perl Editor??
0.811 ( 4.4/ 5.4) 5 HTTP Request Headers
0.806 ( 1.7/ 2.2) 5 inserting characters
0.803 ( 26.1/ 32.5) 20 Permutations in hashes make Perl hurt
0.802 ( 5.0/ 6.3) 11 matching problem
0.798 ( 4.7/ 5.9) 7 Exporting vs. "direct" access
0.796 ( 8.3/ 10.4) 7 looking for a little bit of help here.
0.789 ( 2.3/ 2.9) 5 CGI help for a newbie
Bottom 10 Threads by OCR (minimum of five posts)
=================================================
(kb) (kb)
OCR orig / body Posts Subject
----- -------------- ----- -------
0.485 ( 1.8 / 3.7) 5 Sys::syslog not working?
0.472 ( 4.1 / 8.7) 12 where are the examples in the newer (blue) camel book?
0.461 ( 1.8 / 3.8) 5 e-mail notifier that will notify by e-mail
0.459 ( 14.3 / 31.1) 25 http Reg Exp
0.455 ( 2.7 / 6.0) 5 Perl classes or training
0.451 ( 3.5 / 7.8) 12 Splitting a variable ???
0.451 ( 1.0 / 2.1) 5 How do I format the space in a print statement?
0.418 ( 2.1 / 5.1) 9 rename funciton (was: Re: Dummie question)
0.344 ( 1.5 / 4.5) 6 Why doesn't this work?
0.291 ( 0.5 / 1.9) 5 books for learning perl
Top 10 Targets for Crossposts
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Articles Newsgroup
-------- ---------
50 comp.lang.perl.modules
9 comp.infosystems.www.browsers.misc
6 comp.os.linux.misc
6 gnu.misc.discuss
5 comp.lang.perl
5 comp.os.linux.x
3 alt.internet.misc
3 comp.databases.ms-access
3 fr.comp.lang.perl
3 comp.text.sgml
Top 10 Crossposters
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Articles Address
-------- -------
22 tator3@iname.com
6 "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme@nordnet.fr>
4 mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
4 Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
3 Aaron Faby <miki@bv.net>
3 Zenin <zenin@archive.rhps.org>
3 no_junk_mail.shah@xnet.com
3 "Alex" <alex-oleinik@usa.net>
3 Tom Phoenix <rootbeer&pfaq*finding*@redcat.com>
3 ockman@pasta.penguincomputing.com (Samuel Ockman)
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Date: 4 May 1998 18:01:02 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Useful web sites for beginnings [Was: Re: Hello people, want to learn Perl ?
Message-Id: <6ikvou$ld7$2@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Eric Hagen <ehagen@Hawaii.Edu>:
:Could be an interesting study in "most common mistakes made" though.
:
:I'm a "newbie" myself, and I laugh at scripts I made half a year ago.
:
:I know this has been covered time and time again. BUT.
:
:I have searched the net for a cookbook style site, while the docs are
:GREAT, and there is a lot out there, I really would love to see a site
:that has a starting example, then a list discussion fo the pros and cons
:of the topic, and different ways of doing it.
Anyone notice the article this month in SunWorld discussing Perl?
<URL:http://www.sun.com/sunworldonline/swol-05-1998/swol-05-perl.html?050198i>
It's called "Putting Perl together - Learn to borrow what you need and write
what you must". I found it quite interesting. It has some useful pointers
to other web sites. The authors are known for keeping a web page around
for follow ups, corrections, additional tips, etc. to articles they publish.
--
<URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
<*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Date: 4 May 1998 17:47:02 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: visual basic replacement
Message-Id: <6ikuum$ld7$1@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Ian Boys <boys@aspentech.com>:
:Jan Dubois wrote:
:>
:> Francesc Guasch <frankie@etsetb.upc.es> wrote:
:>
:> >I know I can use DBI for access a db, what
:> >I want to know if perl is suitable for building
:> >typical windows stuff and if there are modules
:> >for displaying forms and dialogs ...
:>
:> The module is called Tk (and it is included in the binary distribution of
:> standard Perl too!). It doesn't work with AS Perl though.
:>
:
:However pTk is still at Tk 4.0, which gives a Motif-like look and
:feel under Windows rather than an MS look and feel. Tk 8.0 gives
:Windows-style widgets under Windows, but I don't think this is
:available with pTk yet.
:
:You could have a look at TCL/TK 8.0, but you will find this is very
:different from VB (as indeed is Perl). You might combine TCL/TK for
:the GUI bits and Perl for the programming, using sockets or files for
:intercommunication. But this will get you quite deep into systems
:design and programming challenges and may not be where you wish to go.
Or you could get the beta version of Perl/Tk which connects to Tk 8.0.
Just sign up for the Perl/TK mailing list to learn all about it - or
download the latest beta from CPAN.
--
<URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
<*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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