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Mon Apr 6 00:07:57 1998

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 98 21:00:21 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest           Sun, 5 Apr 1998     Volume: 8 Number: 2255

Today's topics:
        Buggy textarea using IE (Robert Prashad)
    Re: Buggy textarea using IE <eugene@vertical.net>
        calling date from a server <brett@moggy.com>
    Re: Checking saving Date for a file (Martien Verbruggen)
    Re: current week <rpsavage@ozemail.com.au>
    Re: Diddling with search engines via CGI (John Russell)
    Re: How do I strip newlines from a var <gwynne@utkux.utk.edu>
    Re: How do I strip newlines from a var (Mark W. Schumann)
    Re: output problems (Mark-Jason Dominus)
    Re: perl and CGI <eugene@vertical.net>
        Portable file names (was: changing perms w/CHMOD.) <lr@hpl.hp.com>
        Post - is lwp the only answer? <pi83@dial.pipex.com>
    Re: Post - is lwp the only answer? <eugene@vertical.net>
    Re: Problems building Perl 5.004_4 jerryc@ionet.net
        Problems calling Perl scripts <pablender@geocities.com>
    Re: Problems calling Perl scripts <matt@whiterabbit.co.uk>
    Re: Problems calling Perl scripts jerryc@ionet.net
    Re: RMS should be invited to O'Reilly's "Free Software  (Christopher B. Browne)
    Re: RMS should be invited to O'Reilly's "Free Software  (Kenneth P. Turvey)
    Re: Win32 ODBC error - object not found <metcher@spider.herston.uq.edu.au>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 8 Mar 97) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:29:09 GMT
From: e0fl26ow@mail.erin.utoronto.ca (Robert Prashad)
Subject: Buggy textarea using IE
Message-Id: <35282e88.15737402@news.interlog.com>

	I have a script that saves forms to a file.  It works great
with Navigator.  However, Internet Explorer inserts ^M~nl~  into every
textarea regardless of the user typing in text or not. The ^M shows up
as just a box.
	Does anyone know how I can prevent these from getting
inserted?

	Your help is much appreciated.

Rob


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:45:24 -0500
From: Eugene Sotirescu <eugene@vertical.net>
Subject: Re: Buggy textarea using IE
Message-Id: <352841C1.2F917360@vertical.net>

 I can't answer your question, I only do Perl. Maybe post it on a MS
Newsgroup?

(Does anyone know how to prevent posts like these from getting
inserted into a Perl Newsgroup?

        Your help is much appreciated.)


Robert Prashad wrote:

>         I have a script that saves forms to a file.  It works great
> with Navigator.  However, Internet Explorer inserts ^M~nl~  into every
> textarea regardless of the user typing in text or not. The ^M shows up
> as just a box.
>         Does anyone know how I can prevent these from getting
> inserted?
>
>         Your help is much appreciated.
>
> Rob





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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 12:39:22 +1000
From: "Brett" <brett@moggy.com>
Subject: calling date from a server
Message-Id: <6g9fan$jtc$1@droppa.tpgi.com.au>

'scuse me? How is it that you call the date from a server and place it onto
an HTML page? Also, can you add/subtract hours from a server's date so that
it matches the date in another country?

The problem is that I rent space on a server in the US, but I want to
display Australian time on my page... how do I do it please.

I'll appreciate any help you can offer.

regards,
Brett

brett@moggy.com




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Date: 6 Apr 1998 00:10:17 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Checking saving Date for a file
Message-Id: <6g96h9$nd8$1@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>

In article <35252112.5B209FE4@ti.com>,
	M Shakeel Qureshi <shakeel@ti.com> writes:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Is there a way to check on which date a file was saved on a unix machine
> by using PERL ?

It depends a little bit on what you mean by 'on which date a
file was saved'.

The stat function will give you three times

# perldoc -f stat
[SNIP]
  8 atime    last access time since the epoch
  9 mtime    last modify time since the epoch
 10 ctime    inode change time (NOT creation time!) since the epoch
[SNIP]

You most likely are interested in the mtime. There is no way
to find out when a file was first created (though often, but NOT
reliably, ctime is equal to that time).

Martien
-- 
Martien Verbruggen                  | 
Webmaster www.tradingpost.com.au    | Advertising:  The science of arresting
Commercial Dynamics Pty. Ltd.       | the human intelligence long enough to
NSW, Australia                      | get money from it.


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:21:52 +1100
From: Ron Savage <rpsavage@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re: current week
Message-Id: <35282E30.8E4@ozemail.com.au>

[snip]
> Nope.   Week number is rather more complicated than this; in particular
> it depends on what day of the week Jan 1st fell on.
> 
> I don't have the exact rule to hand.
> 
> Mike Guy

The first week of the year is the first week containg 4 or more days.

So, for a week starting on Monday (of course), then if January 1st is a Sunday, the week containing January 
1st contains only 1 day that year (Sunday itself), so the first week starts on January 2nd. And so on...

-- 
Cheers,
Ron Savage
Office: savage.ron.rs@bhp.com.au
Home (preferred): rpsavage@ozemail.com.au
Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rpsavage


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 03:17:19 GMT
From: john13@interlog.com (John Russell)
Subject: Re: Diddling with search engines via CGI
Message-Id: <3528014c.105378337@news.interlog.com>

Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com> wrote:
>I'm always glad when I can answer a question properly. But it's also
>important to know _where_ to answer it. If I'm reading a newsgroup about
>CGI scripting, I'll answer CGI questions. If I'm reading a newsgroup about
>Perl, I'll direct CGI questions to a place where a better and more
>complete answer would be appropriate.

Which is certainly OK, because in this case if someone had put me
under oath I would have sworn I posted the question to the CGI group.
:-)

Anyway thanks to those who pointed me at the right sources of info --
I found a lot of useful Perl info besides just the CGI things I was
looking for.

John
--
John Russell
john13@interlog.com, http://www.interlog.com/~john13/


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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:47:04 -0400
From: "Bob Gwynne" <gwynne@utkux.utk.edu>
Subject: Re: How do I strip newlines from a var
Message-Id: <6g956t$3lq$1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>

Perhaps you haven't been clued into irony yet, Joergen (or perhaps English
is not your first language). I know that computers are literalists, but
humans think in more complex ways. The problem with software developers is
that they know how computers process information, but are clueless when it
comes to how people process information.  So, explain Abby's code using the
KISS method. I'll give you an A for clarity.


RTFM Jonathan Swift,

Bob Gwynne

Joergen W. Lang wrote in message
<1d70uis.1kogmen1s7pd9aN@host037-206.seicom.net>...
><gwynne@utkux.utk.edu> wrote:
>
>> We want enlightenment--NOW!!!
>
>I've heard of a special offer at K-Mart. They have enlightenments in all
>sizes and colors. Some even come in sixpacks. ;-)
>
>The other way consists of years of practice and study...
>
>
>Joergen
>--
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>   "Everything is possible - even sometimes the impossible"
>             HOELDERLIN EXPRESS - "Touch the void"
>-------------------------------------------------------------------




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Date: 5 Apr 1998 23:24:16 -0400
From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann)
Subject: Re: How do I strip newlines from a var
Message-Id: <6g9ht0$jt@junior.apk.net>

In article <lassehp-0504980146130001@ygdrasil.imv.aau.dk>,
<lassehp@imv.aau.dk> wrote:
>Suppose you stand at a bus stop and someone asks you what time it is. You
>answer: "There will be a partial solar eclipse on tuesday at 1430
>Universal Time, which is in only 117 hours and 35 minutes from now. If you
>are too stupid to do the math, look across the street."

Bad analogy.

It's more as if you'd been busy at a meeting of watchmakers, antique
clock collectors, and engineers who work on time calculations.
Somebody comes in, doesn't look around, doesn't read the booklet titled
"How To Tell What Time It Is Now" that is handed out at the door, walks
into the middle of the room, and says loudly enough for everyone to
hear: "Can anyone tell me what time it is?"

It might be considered a bit mean-spirited to give that person the
solar-eclipse answer, but IMHO it's hard to argue that it would be totally
unusual or unjustified to do so.



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Date: 5 Apr 1998 19:17:11 -0400
From: mjd@op.net (Mark-Jason Dominus)
Subject: Re: output problems
Message-Id: <6g93dn$2pm$1@monet.op.net>


In article <3526C63C.7A2DEAC6@thegrid.net>,
Mike Dong  <miked@thegrid.net> wrote:
>
>          `apex code $adaFilename`;
>
>Unfortunately, because the Perl program is still running, the messages
>from the -v switch seem to "get trapped one layer down" and never appear
>on the screen.  For now, I have changed the previous line to:
>
>          print `apex code $adaFilename`;


The `command` form means to run the command, wait until it is done,
collect all the output, and make it available to the perl script.  

If you want the command's output to be emitted normally, without being
collected by Perl, you should use

	system "apex code $adaFilename";

instead.  Please see the `perlfunc'  man page for full details.

By the way, this is discussed in some detail in perlfaq8.





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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:16:47 -0500
From: Eugene Sotirescu <eugene@vertical.net>
Subject: Re: perl and CGI
Message-Id: <35281EED.C87BDC8D@vertical.net>

1. You're posting (and crossposting) this to irrelevant newsgroups. (Why ask a Perl question in a UNIX newsgroup? ) The relevant newsgroup for CGI (since your
question is really a CGI question) is comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi

2.You're using 'pipe' the wrong way: the data from a form is not 'piped' to a script.

3.What documentation (books, online faqs) have you looked at?

4. Look into cgi-lib.pl or CGI.pm. whichever is installed on your system (I recommend CGI.pm). They'll read the data from  the form into the Perl script. Then you can
use your knowledge of Perl to manipulate the data. (If you've gotten to that stage and have problems, post here again.)

5.People in this newsgroup dislike munged email addresses. Some will ignore your question completely if they see this.


BTP
Eugene


Per Gransxe wrote:

> Hi everybody
>
> I need some info on how to pipe data from a html-page via forms to a perl script.
> Enviroment variables and standard input and so on...
>
> Can somebody for example send me a sample of a script and a html-code simply showing how to add two numbers (from <INPUT>-tags) and print the result on a new page.
>
> Please post your answers by email as well posting to: gransoe@get2net . dk
>
> Hope to hear from you sooooon,
>
> Per.





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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:46:30 -0700
From: Larry Rosler <lr@hpl.hp.com>
To: Bart Lateur <bart.mediamind@tornado.be>
Subject: Portable file names (was: changing perms w/CHMOD.)
Message-Id: <352825E6.3705C906@hpl.hp.com>

Bart Lateur wrote:
> 
> Larry Rosler wrote:
> 
> >This is not sound advice.  The forward-slash directory separator works
> >fine using Perl on all platforms.  The back-slash works on some
> >platforms only, and requires noise-polluting extra escapes.
> >
> >Perl is portable, and Perl code should be written portably, too,
> >whenever possible.
> 
> "All" platforms does not include the Mactintosh. On a Mac, the separator
> is ":". A slash is a legal character for a file name.
> 
> The safest cross-platform approach would be to declare a global variable
> with this value, and use this everywhere.
> 
> E.g.    $SEP = '/' # Unix, ":" on Mac
> 
> usage:  "$dir$SEP$file"
> or:     "$dir${SEP}$file"       #if necessary
>         Bart.

By "all platforms" I meant all flavors of UNIX and Microsoft operating
systems.  Sorry about Apple.

Even in the UNIX/Microsoft universe, there are still plentry of problems
of portability of file names.  Even after the introduction of "long"
file names (i.e., not constrained by the 8.3 paradigm) on 32-bit
Microsoft systems, there is no distinction between upper- and lower-case
letters.  Furthermore, in the set of "printable" 7-bit ASCII characters
(space == 0x20 to tilde == 0x7E), the following punctuation characters
(determined empirically) are not permitted within Microsoft file or
directory names:

"	0x22	Double quote
*	0x2A	Asterisk
+	0x2B	Plus
,	0x2C	Comma
/	0x2F	Forward slash (directory separator)
:	0x3A	Colon
;	0x3B	Semicolon
<	0x3D	Less than
=	0x3E	Equal
>	0x3F	Greater than
?	0x5B	Question mark
[	0x5C	Left bracket
\	0x5D	Backslash (directory separator)
]	0x5E	Right bracket
|	0x7C	Vertical bar

Except for the forward slash, these are all valid characters within file
or directory names in UNIX Perl programs.  [But unless escaped properly
many of them might cause problems in Shell commands, invoked by system
"...", or by back-quotes or qx(...)].

I have not tested the control characters (0x00 to 0x1F and 0x7F), or the
8-bit characters.  The above list is bad enough.

I hope this helps somebody, some time.

Larry Rosler
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories
lr@hpl.hp.com


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:07:45 -0700
From: Marcia L Sussman <pi83@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Post - is lwp the only answer?
Message-Id: <35287F41.43A7@dial.pipex.com>

Is there any alternative to lwp for sending Post?
The hosts of my site won't install lwp, I tried uploading 
the modules but get errors in http::Date
-so I can't get past use LWP::UserAgent;
anyone any ideas??? -Thanks
-- 
Marcia Vigar <marcia.vigar@reed.co.uk>


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:28:44 -0500
From: Eugene Sotirescu <eugene@vertical.net>
To: Marcia L Sussman <pi83@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Post - is lwp the only answer?
Message-Id: <352821BA.3F2C652A@vertical.net>

I've got some ideas, but I wouldn't know if they apply to your question
since I don't really understand what you want to do.
By 'sending Post' you mean using the POST method in a form? Or sending
British Post (American Mail)?
Or am I missing something?

Marcia L Sussman wrote:

> Is there any alternative to lwp for sending Post?
> The hosts of my site won't install lwp, I tried uploading
> the modules but get errors in http::Date
> -so I can't get past use LWP::UserAgent;
> anyone any ideas??? -Thanks
> --
> Marcia Vigar <marcia.vigar@reed.co.uk>





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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:50:47 GMT
From: jerryc@ionet.net
Subject: Re: Problems building Perl 5.004_4
Message-Id: <6g996n$mhs@enews3.newsguy.com>

Help!  Is there anybody out there?  :)

To summarize.  Perl will not build for me.  There is mysterious compiler parse 
error near the PerlIO typedef in some of the basic include headers. Compiler 
output below.   I'm a decent C coder but couldn't see what's balling up 
the works here.   Do I have a corrupt archive?  The files looked clean when 
manually inspected.  Although I didn't look at them all, ahem.  Did I ask for 
a configuration that everybody knows you shouldn't ask for?  As in, don't use 
dynaloader on Solaris or something?   Or don't use gcc 2.8.1 with perl 
5.004_4?  

Go ahead, you can flame away if its called for.   As it stands now, I guess
I won't be using the latest CGI.pm since it needs 5.004_03 or later.  Woe is
me.... :( .......... :)

Jerry Campbell
jlcampbell@amoco.com
jerryc@ionet.net

In article <6fubvv$mhc@paperboy.amoco.com>, jlcampbell@amoco.com (Jerry L.  
Campbell) wrote:
>Building on Solaris 2.5.1 with gcc 2.8.1.  Yes to use dynaloader, 
>yes to use PerlIO (actually built both ways, same result).  The tar archive
>was downloaded from www.perl.com, advertised as the latest stable
>version....
>
>Anybody have any ideas? The errors follow the sig.
>
>Jerry Campbell
>jlcampbell@amoco.com
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>gcc -c  -I/usr/local/include -O    -DVERSION=\"1.03\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.03\"  
>-I.
>/.. -DPERL_CORE -DLIBC="/lib/libc.so" DynaLoader.c
>In file included from DynaLoader.xs:107:
>/usr/local/include/perl.h:144: warning: `safemalloc' redefined
>../../embed.h:1171: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
>/usr/local/include/perl.h:145: warning: `saferealloc' redefined
>../../embed.h:1172: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
>/usr/local/include/perl.h:146: warning: `safefree' redefined
>../../embed.h:1170: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
>In file included from /usr/local/include/perl.h:611,
>                 from DynaLoader.xs:107:
>../../sv.h:256: parse error before `PerlIO'
>../../sv.h:256: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
>../../sv.h:257: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
>../../sv.h:272: parse error before `}'
>In file included from /usr/local/include/perl.h:1435,
>                 from DynaLoader.xs:107:
>../../proto.h:90: parse error before `PerlIO'
>../../proto.h:92: parse error before `PerlIO'
>../../proto.h:262: parse error before `*'
>../../proto.h:263: parse error before `*'
>../../proto.h:263: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
>../../proto.h:323: parse error before `*'
>../../proto.h:323: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
>../../proto.h:383: parse error before `Perl_rsignal'
>../../proto.h:383: parse error before `Sighandler_t'
>../../proto.h:383: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
>../../proto.h:384: parse error before `Sigsave_t'
>../../proto.h:385: parse error before `Sighandler_t'
>../../proto.h:386: parse error before `Perl_rsignal_state'
>../../proto.h:386: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
>../../proto.h:472: parse error before `PerlIO'
>make[1]: *** [DynaLoader.o] Error 1
>make[1]: Leaving directory `/web1/Perl/perl5.004_04/ext/DynaLoader'
>make: *** [lib/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a] Error 2


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:25:01 -0300
From: Pablo Fridlender <pablender@geocities.com>
Subject: Problems calling Perl scripts
Message-Id: <352804BD.1CE66A38@geocities.com>

Hi,

I want to add a Perl script to call from my homepage, and I'm having
problems to make the calling.

The server has SSI enabled, and the directories at the server are:

Base path to your url: /usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/yoursite
Base path to Perl 5: /usr/local/bin/perl5
Initial Local Directory: /usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/yoursite

So I have added a calling: <!--#exec cmd="/usr/local/bin/perl5
myscript.pl"-->

Where myscript.pl only does: 

print "it works!";

But it doesn't print anything, nor gives any error message.

I have tried different ways of make the calling (using full path before
myscript, and using only perl instead of full path), and I have used
CHMOD 664 myscript.pl.
I also tried to use myscript.cgi as file name, but the server doesn't
allow me to call files ending with cgi.

Could somebody help me configuring the calling (or the script if
necessary) to make it work?


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:26:35 +0100
From: Matt Pryor <matt@whiterabbit.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Problems calling Perl scripts
Message-Id: <3528132B.1098C8C2@whiterabbit.co.uk>

Hard to say without looking at any code, Pablo!

Did you print "Content-type: text/html","\n\n" before "it works!" ?

Have you tried posting to a CGI newsgroup?




-- 
Best Wishes

Matt Pryor
White Rabbit Promotions

http://www.whiterabbit.co.uk/design


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 00:36:08 GMT
From: jerryc@ionet.net
Subject: Re: Problems calling Perl scripts
Message-Id: <6g98bn$mhs@enews3.newsguy.com>

As another poster said you don't give enough information here.  

But things to consider.    

   - make sure your script is in the server's exec path (as in /cgi-bin
     or whatever)
   - make sure you have legal html wrapped around your SSI statement.
   - try running your script directly from your browser's "goto" field.
   - try the cgi variant of the exec directive.  Netscape enterprise is
     funny about this.  

Good luck.  This, at least with Enterpise, is a thing full of idiosyncrasies.

On Enterprise, if your script was in cgi-bin, this would work:

 <html><body>
 <!--#exec cgi="/cgi-bin/myscript.pl/arg1/arg2/">
</body></html>

Not much else would.
 
In article <352804BD.1CE66A38@geocities.com>, Pablo Fridlender 
<pablender@geocities.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I want to add a Perl script to call from my homepage, and I'm having
>problems to make the calling.
>
>The server has SSI enabled, and the directories at the server are:
>
>Base path to your url: /usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/yoursite
>Base path to Perl 5: /usr/local/bin/perl5
>Initial Local Directory: /usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs/yoursite
>
>So I have added a calling: <!--#exec cmd="/usr/local/bin/perl5
>myscript.pl"-->
>
>Where myscript.pl only does: 
>
>print "it works!";
>
>But it doesn't print anything, nor gives any error message.
>
>I have tried different ways of make the calling (using full path before
>myscript, and using only perl instead of full path), and I have used
>CHMOD 664 myscript.pl.
>I also tried to use myscript.cgi as file name, but the server doesn't
>allow me to call files ending with cgi.
>
>Could somebody help me configuring the calling (or the script if
>necessary) to make it work?


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Date: 6 Apr 1998 00:29:00 GMT
From: cbbrowne@news.brownes.org (Christopher B. Browne)
Subject: Re: RMS should be invited to O'Reilly's "Free Software Summit"
Message-Id: <slrn6ig39h.5r8.cbbrowne@knuth.brownes.org>

On 5 Apr 1998 15:55:42 GMT, Kevin Lyda <kevin@parsley.faxinter.com> posted:
>In gnu.misc.discuss Nathan V. Patwardhan <nvp@shore.net> wrote:
>: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= (pinard@iro.umontreal.ca) wrote:
>: : One known thing is that Richard does not praise the fact that O'Reilly sells
>: : books for which the real sources are not available.  For this reason, he
>: Whatever do you mean?  Most of the books have the examples available
>: online.  Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but ...
>
>: I can name at least a dozen ORA books that cover subject matter where
>: sources are available.  Most of these books tell you where to get it,
>: too.
>
>it appears "pinard" is yet another person spreading misinformation about
>rms' quotes and/or the gpl.  o'reilly's been very good to the unix
>community, and to the gpl'ed community.  they gpl'ed their mh book
>for example.

The RMS "point" is that it is important that *useful* documentation be
available for "libre" software.

Is GNU Emacs truly "free" if in order to get decent documentation, you have
to buy a book from O'Reilly?

It is well and good for O'Reilly to have good and valuable books.  (And they
certainly do.  I have many of them.) And their having given permission for
MH documentation to become "libre" is indeed a laudable thing.

The point is that authors of free software should not use the presence of
good publishers as an excuse to not bother producing good documentation.

After all, some other publisher like Microsoft Press could offer Tim
O'Reilly an ungodly pile of money tomorrow, buy them out, and basically
"trash" the UNIX business.  No more availability of [pick your favorite
book].

A "libre" book or Info file is something that cannot arbitrarily become
unavailable due to things outside the control of the free software
community.

-- 
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. 	
-- Henry Spencer          <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
cbbrowne@hex.net - "What have you contributed to Linux today?..."


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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:08:40 -0500
From: kturvey@pug1.sprocketshop.com (Kenneth P. Turvey)
Subject: Re: RMS should be invited to O'Reilly's "Free Software Summit"
Message-Id: <slrn6ig077.ao3.kturvey@www.sprocketshop.com>

On 5 Apr 1998 14:18:18 GMT, Nathan V. Patwardhan <nvp@shore.net> wrote:
>=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?= (pinard@iro.umontreal.ca) wrote:
>
>: One known thing is that Richard does not praise the fact that O'Reilly sells
>: books for which the real sources are not available.  For this reason, he
>
>Whatever do you mean?  Most of the books have the examples available
>online.  Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, but ...
>
>I can name at least a dozen ORA books that cover subject matter where
>sources are available.  Most of these books tell you where to get it,
>too.

I believe he meant the sources to the books, not to the examples.  LaTeX
or Texinfo or something like that as opposed to C, or Fortran.  

-- 
Kenneth P. Turvey <kturvey@pug1.SprocketShop.com> 

The illegal we do immediately.  The unconstitutional takes a bit longer.
	-- Henry Kissinger


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:54:15 +1000
From: Jaime Metcher <metcher@spider.herston.uq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Win32 ODBC error - object not found
Message-Id: <352835C7.B65ECBA9@spider.herston.uq.edu.au>

santon@nu.com wrote:
> 
snip
> if (!($db = new Win32::OBDC($DSN))) {
snip
                         ^^^^
                         ODBC

-- 
Jaime Metcher


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