[8631] in Perl-Users-Digest
Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 2248 Volume: 8
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Perl-Users Digest)
Sat Apr 4 09:07:22 1998
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 06:01:03 -0800
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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 4 Apr 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 2248
Today's topics:
Re: Annoucement (was Re: Calling all Newbies) lvirden@cas.org
Re: Annoucement (was Re: Calling all Newbies) <sneaker@mediaone.net>
Re: contexts: is there such a thing as array? (Bart Lateur)
Re: contexts: is there such a thing as array? (M.J.T. Guy)
Re: Database sorting problem (Andre L.)
Re: Determining variable types <rootbeer@teleport.com>
Re: File Uploading... <Tony.Curtis+usenet@vcpc.univie.ac.at>
Re: How do you put a string into a array? (J. Probert)
how to create name for temporary file <trawick@ibm.net>
Re: how to create name for temporary file <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: internationalisation of MacPerl lvirden@cas.org
Re: Is there a "Newsgroup" for Newbies to Perl? lvirden@cas.org
Re: Is there a "Newsgroup" for Newbies to Perl? <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: need help with regexp alternation problem <dcameron@nospam.bcs.org.uk>
News Reader in Perl (Leon)
Re: News Reader in Perl (A. Deckers)
perl linux database program? <gwaters@dorsai.org>
perl/shopping cart tiles@pyramidtile.com
Re: reading file permissions <sneaker@mediaone.net>
Re: reading file permissions <jdf@pobox.com>
Re: Running a CGISite! (Abigail)
Running Perl CGI in a Personal Web Server. <yairs@actcom.co.il>
Re: Someone put my munged e-mail address on a spam list <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Re: upgrade breakage? lvirden@cas.org
Urgent: Perl Win32 vs Unix Perl (J. Probert)
Re: Urgent: Perl Win32 vs Unix Perl <yairs@actcom.co.il>
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 8 Mar 97) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 11:08:47 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: Annoucement (was Re: Calling all Newbies)
Message-Id: <6g54bv$bgm$2@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Webmaster <bill@astro.fccj.cc.fl.us>:
:
:I am in the process of obtaining authorization to open some type of real-time
:chat system on one of the servers here at FCCJ. Also, I am working on getting
If you come to decide that you don't want to be bothered with building and
maintaining software, etc. you might check out one of the dozens or more
sites around the world who are already doing stuff like this. There's
ICQ, communityware, etc.
--
<URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
<*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:20:10 GMT
From: Sneaker's Nest <sneaker@mediaone.net>
To: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: Annoucement (was Re: Calling all Newbies)
Message-Id: <35262404.71EB@mediaone.net>
[Mailed & Posted}
lvirden@cas.org wrote:
>
> According to Webmaster <bill@astro.fccj.cc.fl.us>:
> :
> :I am in the process of obtaining authorization to open some type of real-time
> :chat system on one of the servers here at FCCJ. Also, I am working on getting
>
> If you come to decide that you don't want to be bothered with building and
> maintaining software, etc. you might check out one of the dozens or more
> sites around the world who are already doing stuff like this. There's
> ICQ, communityware, etc.
>
> --
> <URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
> <*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
> Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
> should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
Management wouldn't agree to it, afraid
of all the 'bad' perl hackers out here
in Internet land... They need a clue :-)
So, I have abandoned that idea entirely.
After some consideration, and input from
readers & posters here, I have decided
to do what many others are doing, basically
nothing. However, I already have a quasi-
FAQ building Perl code CGI in place (written
for an H/R, Minutes, and Cable Wiring Closet,
tracking system for FCCJ) that I modified
to utilize as a diary of my exploits :-)
Probably only valuable to me, but free for
anyone else to read and use if they don't
mind using Newbie Code in non-purist
way :-)
C'Ya,
Sneex :-)
PS - An update to 'dtcm' project, I am still
working out some calls to the X-Windows
App. Mr Welch of Scriptics says I have my
work cut out for me. I think it can be done
in Perl, maybe not TCL, but I'm too hard-headed
to know any better ;-)
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:34:39 GMT
From: bart.mediamind@tornado.be (Bart Lateur)
Subject: Re: contexts: is there such a thing as array?
Message-Id: <352f1ac3.7283219@news.tornado.be>
Spider Boardman wrote:
> If you can explain away this one:
>
> $a = @hash{'a','b','c','d'};
It actually smells like macro replacement, really.
@a = @hash{'a','b','c','d'}; ;
=> @a = ($hash{'a'}, $hash{'b'}, $hash{'c'}, $hash{'d});
= a list of values
$a = @hash{'a','b','c','d'}; ;
=> $a = ($hash{'a'}, $hash{'b'}, $hash{'c'}, $hash{'d});
= the comma operator (result = $hash{'d'});
There is a similar example of this rather odd behaviour (in my eyes),
currently being discussed in another thread:
\($x,$y,$z) is equivalent to (\$x,\$y,\$z)
i.e. @a = \($x, $y, $z);
=> @a = (\$x,\$y,\$z);
= a list of refs
$a = \($x, $y, $z);
=> $a = (\$x,\$y,\$z);
= the comma operator, not a list.
Macro replacement. That looks like it would explain it. Both.
Bart.
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 13:53:49 GMT
From: mjtg@cus.cam.ac.uk (M.J.T. Guy)
Subject: Re: contexts: is there such a thing as array?
Message-Id: <6g5e1d$ca$1@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>
Jason Gloudon <jgloudon@bbn.com> wrote:
>From the glossary of "Programming Perl" (First Edition):
>
>List
>
> An ordered set of values with a beginning and an end. Or, an attribute of a
>leaning ship, decreasing in value, at the beginning of its end.
>
>LIST
>
> A Syntactic construct representing a comma-separated list of expressions,
>evaluated to produce an array value. Each expression in a LIST is evaluated
>in an array context.
>
>Array Value
>
> An unnamed list of scalar values that may be passed around within a program
>and passed to any function that provides an array context.
>
>My book is of course out-of-date, have these definitions changed ?
In the context of this discussion, they've changed significantly.
The second edition has
list
An ordered set of values.
LIST
A Syntactic construct representing a comma-separated list of expressions,
evaluated to produce a list value. Each expression in a LIST is evaluated
in a list context.
array context
A quaint, archaic expression used by people who have read the first
edition of this book. Nowadays called list context.
array value
Another archaic phrase. See list value.
Mike Guy
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 03:17:43 -0500
From: alecler@cam.org (Andre L.)
Subject: Re: Database sorting problem
Message-Id: <alecler-0404980317430001@dialup-576.hip.cam.org>
Andy,
Here's a program that demoes how to do what you want, using your data. It
was a useful exercise for me to "sort" that out, as I am learning Perl
myself.
Use an array of records, so you can index $a and $b in the sort proc. It
would work too with an array of hashes.
-------------------------------------------------------
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
# what, no "use strict"!? shame on me :-P
@stuff = (
'9|04-02-98|today|364604|today|NULL',
'10|04-01-98|yesterday|364603|yesterday|NULL',
'11|04-03-98|tomorrow|364605|tomorrow|NULL'
);
# Put the data in a LoL:
for (0..$#stuff) {
# put chomp here if read from a file
@fields = split(/\|/,$stuff[$_]);
for $i (0..$#fields) {
$data[$_][$i] = $fields[$i];
}
}
# Assuming numerical field; if literal, use cmp.
@sorted = sort { $a->[3] <=> $b->[3] } @data; # see?
for (@sorted) { for (@$_) { print "$_ " }; print "\n"; }
---------------------------------------------------------
Tada! the records are sorted by the 4th field.
10 04-01-98 yesterday 364603 yesterday NULL
9 04-02-98 today 364604 today NULL
11 04-03-98 tomorrow 364605 tomorrow NULL
Also see perlfaq4 for some of those sibylline explanations that we love so much.
Or is it sybilline? I can never remember.
HTH,
A.L.
=================================
In article <352507D7.6C103686@culinary.com>, chefandy@culinary.com wrote:
> I have a flatfile database like such:
>
> 9|04-02-98|today|364604|today|NULL
> 10|04-01-98|yesterday|364603|yesterday|NULL
> 11|04-03-98|tomorrow|364605|tomorrow|NULL
>
> I'm trying to sort the database by the fourth field in each record
> (364604,364603,364605,...). Any suggestions how to do this? Thanks.
>
> Andy Biegel
> andy@culinary.com
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:21 -0800
From: Tom Phoenix <rootbeer@teleport.com>
To: Chris Formulak <formy@hill.ucr.edu>
Subject: Re: Determining variable types
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980403232844.1988W-100000@user2.teleport.com>
On 3 Apr 1998, Chris Formulak wrote:
> For a given variable, is there a way to tell if it contains a string or
> a number? For example, let's say I had two variables:
>
> $str = "123";
> $num = 123;
Generally speaking, there's no difference. If you're worried about
the difference, you're probably worrying too much. :-)
There are only three cases I know of where Perl distinguishes between a
number and a string equivalent:
1. Return value of sort-definition subroutine
2. Parameters to syscall
3. Bitwise operators
Taking these in order: A sort-definition routine must return a number. But
you'll never accidentally write an otherwise-correct one that doesn't, I'm
sure.
When passing parameters to syscall, you need to know whether the
underlying system call expects numbers or strings in each position. But
you need simply stringify or numify as needed.
$number = 0+$some_number; # force numeric
$string = "$some_string"; # force stringy
So, we come to bitwise operators. These can take either numbers or
strings, so we can use these to distinguish one from the other. The sub
below is suitable for use where a Boolean value is needed. But use it with
care! It's easy to stringify or numify without realizing it, e.g. when
printing.
sub is_string ($) { '00' & $_[0] | '00' }
If you study this a little, thinking about how bitwise ops work, how it
works should eventually become clear. Have fun with it!
--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/
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Date: 04 Apr 1998 11:49:39 +0200
From: Tony Curtis <Tony.Curtis+usenet@vcpc.univie.ac.at>
Subject: Re: File Uploading...
Message-Id: <7xn2e1x6ff.fsf@beavis.vcpc.univie.ac.at>
Re: File Uploading..., Darryl <dblackbu@runet.edu> said:
Darryl> I wrote a perl script that allows users to
Darryl> upload a binary file to the server. I did this on a
Not that you tell us what kind of server this is...or show
us any examples of what is going wrong, or any code
demonstrating a problem or undesired behaviour.
How can anyone possibly help if you provide no useful
information?
tony
--
Tony Curtis, Systems Manager, VCPC, | Tel +43 1 310 93 96 - 12; Fax - 13
Liechtensteinstrasse 22, A-1090 Wien, AT | http://www.vcpc.univie.ac.at/
"Everything I am, I learned on the back of cereal boxes" ~ RJ, "Over the Hedge"
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:41:21 GMT
From: probe@hotmail.com (J. Probert)
Subject: Re: How do you put a string into a array?
Message-Id: <3525f1c0.4875404@news.saix.net>
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:41:14 -0500, "Seong Y. Kim"
<seong@cse.bridgeport.edu> wrote:
>Let's say that I have a string "I you he she they me her him
>his them their", and I want the array like this.
>
>$string = "I you he she they me her him his them their";
>
>@array;
>$array [1]= "I";
>$array[2]= "you";
>$array[3]="he";
>.....
>$array[11]="their";
>
>how do you do this?
>
>thanks to ....... ;-)
>
>
This is very simple.
What you need is to split the string at every space, like this:
@array = split(/ /, $string);
Justin.
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Date: 04 Apr 1998 03:06:31 -0500
From: Jeff Trawick <trawick@ibm.net>
Subject: how to create name for temporary file
Message-Id: <m3iuoqovso.fsf@k5.localdomain>
Are there any functions in the standard Perl 5.004
distribution to create names for temporary files
(like tmpnam() in C Standard Library)?
Thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeff Trawick | trawick@ibm.net | PGP public key at web site:
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/9289/
Born in Roswell... married an alien...
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Date: 04 Apr 1998 09:55:26 -0400
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: how to create name for temporary file
Message-Id: <lntln12p.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
Jeff Trawick <trawick@ibm.net> writes:
> Are there any functions in the standard Perl 5.004
> distribution to create names for temporary files
> (like tmpnam() in C Standard Library)?
A quick search through the docs reveals: POSIX::tmpnam()
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 11:26:57 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: internationalisation of MacPerl
Message-Id: <6g55e1$bgm$4@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Matthias Neeracher <neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch>:
:> Is it possible to make functions like "\u", "\L", or "uc" work with non
:> ASCII characters on a Macintosh
:
:I'm afraid I see no prospect for implementing this in the near future.
Interesting - I would have thought with the recent announcement that
during 1998 perl would be upgraded to support Unicode and XML in the core
would have resulted in a version of perl that, when ported to the Mac, would
do just that.
--
<URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
<*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 11:19:12 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: Is there a "Newsgroup" for Newbies to Perl?
Message-Id: <6g54vg$bgm$3@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net>:
:How would its charter (or actual use) differ from c.l.p.misc?
I don't know what the others are thinking of. But a comp.lang.perl.help
that was chartered to allow questions on 'how do I do X in perl' and
had folk who could help answer such questions seems like a useful group
for new folk to perl. When these types of questions get asked in perl,
they seem to be answered with 'that's not a perl question; it can be done
in any language'. But for someone who knows no other language and has
never written anything like X, they need to work out the details...
--
<URL:mailto:lvirden@cas.org> Quote: In heaven, there is no panic,
<*> O- <URL:http://www.teraform.com/%7Elvirden/> only planning.
Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting
should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Date: 04 Apr 1998 09:22:48 -0400
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a "Newsgroup" for Newbies to Perl?
Message-Id: <pvixn2l3.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
Lloyd Zusman <ljz@asfast.com> writes:
> If we were to create some sort of ".novices" newsgroup in addition to
> the current comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup, we could optimize each of
> these two newsgroups for the target audience in each one. The people
> making use of the more advanced newsgroup could spend less time
> explaining introductory topics over and over to new Perl users
> (thereby lowering their levels of frustration and thereby also
> probably lowering the level of rudeness that some of them display).
As has been said in this thread several times: I just can't imagine
that happening. 9 out of 10 people with what they perceive to be an
*urgent* need to know how to do a web-counter in Perl will look at the
two newsgroups available and choose the one that they think will have
more experts in it.
> I would say something similar to a few of the people in
> comp.lang.perl.misc: there's a steady flow of novices coming into this
> newsgroup, and if can't discuss the FAQ and other introductory topics
> with these novices without becoming frustrated, testy, rude, and
> condescending, then you probably should just not post anything at all
> and just hit the 'n' key.
As a personal choice, I agree. Why raise my blood pressure? But I
have to admit that I'm sometimes entertained by the sarcastic posts.
Sometimes it takes harsh medicine to cure what ails you.
It occurs to me now that when I first started posting heavily, I
leaned more towards severity than I do now. And I got letter after
letter thanking me for my help, with maybe three or four folks taking
offense (usually not the people to whom I responded). Since I've
become more mellow and "hand-holding," the responses have dried up
entirely. Maybe I should start flaming again.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 11:08:14 GMT
From: "Duncan Cameron" <dcameron@nospam.bcs.org.uk>
Subject: Re: need help with regexp alternation problem
Message-Id: <01bd5fb9$bc20da20$bb3563c3@dns.btinternet.com>
In your example, the regexp extends over three lines, so there is a
<newline> as the first character of the second and third alternatives.
That's why you only ever get a match on the first alternative. You need to
either put the regexp on a single line (unreadable) or use /x which allows
white space and comments within the regexp. See Camel, p57.
Also (1) the bracketing needs to be
/(first part)|(second part)|(third part)/
as the | alternatives are tried left to right.
Also (2), a side-effect of the bracketing is assignment to $1, $2, etc. If
you don't want or need those assignments then you can use (?:first part)
etc. See Camel, p68.
HTH
--
Remove 'nospam.' to get my return address.
Rebecca Ideus <becca@emrtc.nmt.edu> wrote in article
<35240F80.D62348E8@emrtc.nmt.edu>...
snip
>
> /(Jan\s{1,2}([5-9]|[1-2][0-9]|[3][0-1]).{12}98|
> (Feb)\s{1,2}([1-9]|[1-2][0-9]|[3][0-1]).{12}98|
> Mar\s{1,2}([1-9]|[1][0-9]|[2][0-7]).{12}98)/
>
> and it doesn't match anything. The 3rd line in the above regexp is
> almost identical to the first regexp above. I've tried all combination
> of parentheses around everything and it still does not match. It's as
> if putting the | is screwing it up. Is something wrong, or do I just
> not understand alternation right? Please help.
>
>
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 12:10:46 GMT
From: leonar_n@ion.epita.fr (Leon)
Subject: News Reader in Perl
Message-Id: <6g5806$hkg$1@news.epita.fr>
Hello
I must do a news reader in Perl using the unix telnet command. And
I don't know how to do it ...
Please help me !!
--
// \\
|| LeOn || E-mail : leonar_n@epita.fr
\\ // leoon@chez.com
Il est moche hein, mon .sig ???
"J'aime pas les phrases a la con !!"
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 10:24:56 GMT
From: Alain.Deckers@man.ac.uk (A. Deckers)
Subject: Re: News Reader in Perl
Message-Id: <slrn6ic2jn.437.Alain.Deckers@bashful.rediris.es>
In <6g5806$hkg$1@news.epita.fr>,
Leon <leonar_n@ion.epita.fr> wrote:
> Hello
>
>I must do a news reader in Perl using the unix telnet command. And
>I don't know how to do it ...
Don't do that. Use News::NNTPClient, a Perl module designed to talk to
nntp servers. It makes the whole thing _much_ easier.
Look for this module on CPAN (URL in third line of my signature).
Alain
--
Perl reference: <URL:http://reference.perl.com/>
Perl language: <URL:http://language.perl.com/>
Perl archive: <URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/>
Perl FAQ: <URL:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/FAQ/>
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:34:47 -0500
From: "Greg Waters" <gwaters@dorsai.org>
Subject: perl linux database program?
Message-Id: <6g59kp$sbe@enews1.newsguy.com>
Does anybody know resource information and help files on how to create perl
databases for linux? Did someone write a program?
Greg
http://www.silly.com/~gwaters
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 06:39:31 -0600
From: tiles@pyramidtile.com
Subject: perl/shopping cart
Message-Id: <6g59m3$mlr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
Does any body know of a person or persons that give training for Perl/web and
shopping cart instructions over the phone or email?
I would like to learn how to set up my own shopping cart on my web site.
I know how to make web pages and just learned to telnet to my shell server.
But would like to learn how to customize my web pages so that browsers could
order my selection of tools.
I just don't wan't to travel to places and spend ton's of money to lean how to
set up a shopping cart.
Is there an economical way of doing this?
Thanks
Bill
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:31:30 GMT
From: Sneaker's Nest <sneaker@mediaone.net>
To: David Shirley <david@dpeinc.com>
Subject: Re: reading file permissions
Message-Id: <352626AB.72E7@mediaone.net>
[Mailed & Posted...]
David Shirley wrote:
>
> Newbie question here:
>
> How does one go about reading the existing permissions on a file? I can
> figure out how to change them but I'm looking for a simple way to determine
> what they currently are for owner, group and world.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> David
A possible answer:
#!/usr/loca/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use diagnostics;
my $file_sec = (split(/\ /, (`ls -l /etc/shadow`)))[0];
print "$file_sec\n";
# Further analysis is upto the reader...
# This will only work on Unix, or on
# NT Systems with Posix installed...
HTH,
Sneex :-)
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Date: 04 Apr 1998 09:52:45 -0400
From: Jonathan Feinberg <jdf@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: reading file permissions
Message-Id: <n2e1n176.fsf@mailhost.panix.com>
david@dpeinc.com (David Shirley) writes:
> How does one go about reading the existing permissions on a file?
You want the "stat" builtin, which is documented in perlfunc.
--
Jonathan Feinberg jdf@pobox.com Sunny Brooklyn, NY
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 09:39:50 GMT
From: abigail@fnx.com (Abigail)
Subject: Re: Running a CGISite!
Message-Id: <6g4v56$1ge$1@client2.news.psi.net>
Tom Phoenix (rootbeer@teleport.com) wrote on MDCLXXVII September MCMXCIII
in <URL: news:Pine.GSO.3.96.980403232427.1988V-100000@user2.teleport.com>:
++ On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, TheTool wrote:
++
++ > How difficult is it to retrieve information from a
++ > FORM in an HTML file without Using CGI.PM?
++
++ This is like asking, "How difficult is it to build a house without using
++ tools?" But, more importantly, why would you want to avoid using CGI.pm?
Uhm, cause CGI is bloated? ;)
Abigail
--
perl -pwle '$_ .= reverse'
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:01:27 +0300
From: Yair Schaffer <yairs@actcom.co.il>
Subject: Running Perl CGI in a Personal Web Server.
Message-Id: <35262117.1958@actcom.co.il>
Hi,
I have Perl5 running on my pc.
and also front page98 and microsoft personal web server runnig.
What should I do to run a perl CGI in the server ?
(I mannaged running a C cgi but I get a server Error when
trying to address a perl CGI)
Tanx
yair.
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 10:46:40 GMT
From: ? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Someone put my munged e-mail address on a spam list
Message-Id: <891686800.706026@cabal>
In <6g4hug$5k0$1@news.orst.edu> stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley) writes:
>In article <891661616.31034@cabal>,
>? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:
>>However Usenet grew out of a mail system and is tightly it.
[...]
>As for USENET being "tightly it", I have no idea what you mean.
Oops I dropped a word there "and is tightly bound to it."
[...]
>>Because Usenet has worked on the assumention that mail exists.
>USENET works even when email does not. There is no such assumption.
Usenet the propergation dose, Usenet the culture doese not.
>>Due to this intermasy many tradtions require email to work correctly.
>>You need the ablity to comment privertly to a public post.
>There is no such "need". Some people desire it, but that does not make
>it a need.
It is needed for the culture to work.
>What is an "intermasy"?
Intermasy, being close to someone else.
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Date: 4 Apr 1998 10:52:38 GMT
From: lvirden@cas.org
Subject: Re: upgrade breakage?
Message-Id: <6g53dm$bgm$1@srv38s4u.cas.org>
According to Earl Hood <ehood@medusa.acs.uci.edu>:
:I'd be surprised if perl breaks moving from Solaris 2.5.1 to 2.6.
I have run at least some scripts using Solaris 2.5.1 compiled perl on
Solaris 2.6 (for that matter, I've only found one program I had to recompile
during the transition... metamail).
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should be construed as representing my employer's opinions.
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 08:30:04 GMT
From: probe@hotmail.com (J. Probert)
Subject: Urgent: Perl Win32 vs Unix Perl
Message-Id: <3525e058.418441@news.saix.net>
Hello all,
I have a situation in which I need to make a decision urgently, and
any guidance will be much appreciated.
I am setting up a commercial website using Frontpage extensions, and
Perl for the cgi's. Everything is set up and running beautifully on my
personal Win95 pc, with Perl for Win32 and Isapi installed. My version
is
version 5.003_07, build 313.
The service provider who quoted on the hosting of this site is busy
preparing their side for the upload, and have informed me that all the
Perl scripts will be placed on their Unix machine, the rest of the
Frontpage stuff will be on an NT machine.
Their reason is that Perl Win32 is "buggy, and more than capable of
causing NT to crash, and Perl is more stable on Unix", and they are
not prepared to put their other clients hosted on that NT machine at
risk.
Now I know that Perl was born on Unix, and logic says it probably is
more stable on it, but the scripts I intend running are
straightforward pattern-matching searchscripts, and any machine with a
fast processor and lots of RAM should cope easily.
Separating the cgi's from frontpage is going to cause me extra
trouble, the HTML ACTION tags all have to be changed, the scripts all
need the #!path to perl added to the first line etc., and all the
paths to files that the scripts are to open and read from etc. need to
change.
So, to get to my question(s):
How bad is Perl on NT, is the service provider being reasonable -- or
should I insist they run Perl on NT just for me - on a seperate server
if they have to. They knew right from the start of my enquiry with
them that I wanted Frontpage and Perl -- they never once indicated
that the two were "incompatible".
Perhaps someone from ActiveWare can comment on this "incompatibility".
And maybe someone knows some more implications of separating Frontpage
and Perl CGI, just so I can get some idea of what I'm in for.
My apologies for taking so long to get to the point, and my thanks
for your time and comment.
P.S. The site (not up yet) will be at
http://www.sabtin.co.za
Justin Probert [South Africa]
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Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:55:04 +0300
From: Yair Schaffer <yairs@actcom.co.il>
Subject: Re: Urgent: Perl Win32 vs Unix Perl
Message-Id: <35261F98.409F@actcom.co.il>
J. Probert wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have a situation in which I need to make a decision urgently, and
> any guidance will be much appreciated.
>
> I am setting up a commercial website using Frontpage extensions, and
> Perl for the cgi's. Everything is set up and running beautifully on my
> personal Win95 pc, with Perl for Win32 and Isapi installed. My version
> is
> version 5.003_07, build 313.
>
> The service provider who quoted on the hosting of this site is busy
> preparing their side for the upload, and have informed me that all the
> Perl scripts will be placed on their Unix machine, the rest of the
> Frontpage stuff will be on an NT machine.
> Their reason is that Perl Win32 is "buggy, and more than capable of
> causing NT to crash, and Perl is more stable on Unix", and they are
> not prepared to put their other clients hosted on that NT machine at
> risk.
>
> Now I know that Perl was born on Unix, and logic says it probably is
> more stable on it, but the scripts I intend running are
> straightforward pattern-matching searchscripts, and any machine with a
> fast processor and lots of RAM should cope easily.
>
> Separating the cgi's from frontpage is going to cause me extra
> trouble, the HTML ACTION tags all have to be changed, the scripts all
> need the #!path to perl added to the first line etc., and all the
> paths to files that the scripts are to open and read from etc. need to
> change.
>
> So, to get to my question(s):
>
> How bad is Perl on NT, is the service provider being reasonable -- or
> should I insist they run Perl on NT just for me - on a seperate server
> if they have to. They knew right from the start of my enquiry with
> them that I wanted Frontpage and Perl -- they never once indicated
> that the two were "incompatible".
>
> Perhaps someone from ActiveWare can comment on this "incompatibility".
> And maybe someone knows some more implications of separating Frontpage
> and Perl CGI, just so I can get some idea of what I'm in for.
>
> My apologies for taking so long to get to the point, and my thanks
> for your time and comment.
>
> P.S. The site (not up yet) will be at
> http://www.sabtin.co.za
>
> Justin Probert [South Africa]
*********************************************************************
HI Justin,
Your question is very interseting I have the same dilema.
I'd be very happy to informed if you find something interseting.
Now, I also have the perl running on my pc but I don't know how to make
my
Personal web server run perl CGI's could you advise me ?
Thank you
yair.
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