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Fri Feb 13 03:07:32 1998
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 00:00:34 -0800
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Perl-Users Digest Fri, 13 Feb 1998 Volume: 8 Number: 1885
Today's topics:
Re: ? Regular Expressions ? (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: A Pubilc Apology. <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Re: auto responder script (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: CRs in scripts - ARGH! <rra@stanford.edu>
Databases with multiple read/write accesses (Jonathan Nicholson)
environment under NT ? (Christian Bobber)
Re: Finding the last line in a list? <vallon@pearl.fi.bear.com>
HELP: Perl and LWP Memory Usage (Mike Artobello)
Re: How Do You Write an Empty While Statement? <vallon@pearl.fi.bear.com>
Re: Location: returns empty document? (Martien Verbruggen)
Make $$$ fixing bad perl scripts (Frank)
Re: Moderated ng [Was: Re: So what about last summer's (John Stanley)
Re: MS Visual Perl (A Satire!) (Martin Vorlaender)
Oh, Yeah - those pesky cr's! <lovegod@earthling.net>
Re: perl -e in Win95? (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: Perl and fast (big) file parsing <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Re: Perl Syntax Coloring For Visual Studio???? (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: Perl use on IIS 4 (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: reading in long file <dgoddard@us.oracle.com>
Re: RFC about "Matt's Script Archive" (Martien Verbruggen)
Re: RFC about "Matt's Script Archive" (Mark Kramer)
Re: So what about last summer's RFD? Let's go moderate <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Re: time for comp.lang.perl.more-needed ? (Re: repetiti <dgoddard@us.oracle.com>
Re: Why is Tom Christiansen so rude? <kperrier@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 04:43:46 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: ? Regular Expressions ?
Message-Id: <6c0j22$cdr$1@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <1d4cuck.19a15k71ezdpbgN@roxboro0-019.dyn.interpath.net>,
phenix@interpath.com (John Moreno) writes:
> They don't need to SEE them - we can filter or score on it's presence
> and Tom or somebody can set up a automatic reply to any post without it
> (or the equivalent in the sig). Add it in to the FAQ for the group, and
> we're set.
Whoops. Misread the original post, sorry.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:24:47 -0500
From: Larry D'Anna <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A Pubilc Apology.
Message-Id: <34E3F53F.49EF9058@hotmail.com>
Rich Grise wrote:
>
> I flew off the handle a few days ago, and it turns out
> I was wrong. It wasn't Mr. Christiansen (sp?) who issued
> the insult, it was some other person. All Mr Christianesn
> did was to tell me that my posting wasn't formatted right,
> and I blew up because I was still in a snit from that
> previous post, and I lost track of whom I was flaming. Mr.
> Christiansen, I ask your forgiveness for my being such
> a fool, and an abusive one at that.
>
> Humility is NOT one of the most desired places on the
> planet, is it?
>
> Yes, I'm sorry, I beg your forgiveness, I was a fool, and
> that's the last time. OK?
>
> Rich Grise
I wish all of the morons saying "Tom is a rude elitist ass hole"
would see the light like that. :-)
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|Democracy is the worst system of government. --
|Except for all the others
| -Winston Churchill
---------------------------------------------------
Larry D'Anna "eschew obfuscation"
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 04:57:01 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: auto responder script
Message-Id: <6c0jqt$cdr$4@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <34e3ab3c.133586415@news.enteract.com>,
spunge@ripco.com (Benji Spencer) writes:
> I am looking for a auto responder script. I knwo this wouldn't be all
If you receive mail on a unix system:
man forward
If you don't, it will depend on how you receive mail. It cannot be
answered in a general sense.
Martien
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Date: 12 Feb 1998 21:24:25 -0800
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
To: lovegod@earthling.net
Subject: Re: CRs in scripts - ARGH!
Message-Id: <m3u3a43wmu.fsf@windlord.Stanford.EDU>
[ Posted and mailed. ]
Rich Grise <lovegod@earthling.net> writes:
> is it possible to ask, (maybe I should ask in the CGI group) does perl
> (or maybe Unix shell - I hear it's possible to access that with a
> backtick or something) have anything like a "dir" function?
Yup. See opendir, readdir, and closedir in the perlfunc documentation.
> I've got a script that creates a directory, and then writes files to
> it. When one of those becomes extraneous (whole directories, that is) ,
> not only can I not delete it with FTP ( the owner is something like
> "nobody") but I have to go through the whole dir structure of the thing
> and write a little script that will delete each and every file. Can't
> that be done automaticllly?
Do you have shell access to this machine? It sounds like you need to do
an rm -rf on those directories (of course, that's hard if they're owned by
nobody and you don't have root). I suppose you can modify your CGI script
that creates those files to delete them if they're unnecessary.
The other function you'll want to look into is "unlink" to delete files.
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 07:46:59 -0000
From: jono@nospam.nowhere.noorg (Jonathan Nicholson)
Subject: Databases with multiple read/write accesses
Message-Id: <6c0tpj$88l$1@acme.demon.co.uk>
I've been using DB_File to access a database, however this doesn't appear
to hold up too well in a multiple access application.
I've written some code to make it a bit more stable, but I'm not convinced
that it's the 'right thing to do'
This is the 'psudo' code of what I'm trying to do:-
Loop n times
Fork
If child:-
Open database if failed retry 3 times or exit
do stuff and update databse with exclusive write
sync database
release lock
close database
exit
else
Check that we're ok on the number of kid's else wait for
exits
endloop
I've written this (in perl) using DB_File as a test bed / demo and on 1000
times around the loop with 10 simultaneous writes (from the child
processes) I've not seen a problem.
Is this just a fluke, or is this an acceptable way of doing this?
I need to be confident that the database will be consistant for the main
application. Is there a better database format than dbfile?
Should I be looking at upgrading the underlying BerkleyDB? This would
cause problems as I'm not the only person using this library, I'd have to
run the versions in parallel.
Thanks in advance
Jonathan
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| TV doesn't rule my life, it just has a casting vote |
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Date: 13 Feb 98 07:13:51 GMT
From: cbo@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de (Christian Bobber)
Subject: environment under NT ?
Message-Id: <6c0rv7$osn$1@narses.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
Hello,
I would set an environment variable from perl for NT.
The following command don't work:
1. $ENV{'VARIABLE'} = "VALUE";
2. system('set variable=value');
Whats wrong ?
Thanks Christian
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 01:11:47 -0500
From: Justin Vallon <vallon@pearl.fi.bear.com>
Subject: Re: Finding the last line in a list?
Message-Id: <x6ed8gsm3to.fsf@pearl.fi.bear.com>
mwang@alhena.ibk.ml.com (Michael Wang) writes:
> The following is my _prototype_ tail program in Perl. As you can see, it is
> not any simpler than doing the same in C. As a matter of fact, if you
> stripe out the $ signs, then it can be compiled with C compiler. If you
> have a quick and *effective* way than mine, let me know. Thanks.
Same idea, but just split and see if you have enough lines.
my $num_lines = 10;
my $line_length = 80;
my $pos = $length;
$pos -= $num_lines * $line_length;
my @buf;
while (1) {
$pos -= $line_length;
$pos = 0 if $pos < 0;
seek $fd, $pos, $SEEK_SET;
read $fd, $buf, $length - $pos;
@buf = split /\n/, $buf;
last if @buf > $num_lines;
last if !$pos;
}
die "fewer than $num_lines in file" if @buf < $num_lines;
print $buf[-3] if $num_lines >= 3;
print $buf[-2] if $num_lines >= 2;
print $buf[-1];
--
-Justin
vallon@bear.com
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Date: 12 Feb 1998 21:26:17 -0800
From: marto@ccnet.com (Mike Artobello)
Subject: HELP: Perl and LWP Memory Usage
Message-Id: <6c0lhp$lof$1@ccnet3.ccnet.com>
I have a Perl script that runs via crontab and uses LWP. My provider has
complained that it's using too much memory (there can be as many as 10
scripts running concurrently). A PS command shows pmem at 1.9%, sz at
1276, and vsz 5104. So 10 of these uses almost 20% of the system memory.
In attempting to find out why memory was so large, I created the
following script:
#!/usr/local/bin/perl
use LWP::UserAgent;
sleep 20;
exit;
Then from another telnet session I did a PS command and it showed
pmem at 1.2%, sz at 835 and vsz at 3340.
If I comment out the use LWP::UserAgent pmem is at .6%, sz at 489, vsz at
1956.
So it appears that Perl and LWP are taking up a large chunk of memory,
putting me over 1% of the system memory without any additional code.
Is there anything I can do about this or is this just the nature of Perl?
My provider suggested re-writting the script in C. Is there an LWP
equivalent in C? Would the Perl compiler help in this case?
I'd appreciate a quick response as my provider is getting ready to pull
the plug on this script. If you can help please email me at marto@ccnet.com.
--
Regards,
Mike
____________________________
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email: marto@ccnet.com
WWW: http://www.ccnet.com/~marto
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 00:51:46 -0500
From: Justin Vallon <vallon@pearl.fi.bear.com>
Subject: Re: How Do You Write an Empty While Statement?
Message-Id: <x6eg1lom4r1.fsf@pearl.fi.bear.com>
? the platypus {aka David Formosa} <dformosa@st.nepean.uws.edu.au> writes:
> In <6bt62c$qt8@sf18.dseg.ti.com> simonsen_nospam@skopen.dseg.ti.com (Kevin M
> Simonson) writes:
>
> > while (`ls Hmm.Hmm | wc -l < 1`);
>
> > syntax error at Hmm line 2, near ");"
>
> This should be
>
> while (`ls Hmm.Hmm | wc -l <1`) {};
>
> I hope this helps.
>
Probably:
while (`ls Hmm.Hmm | wc -l` < 1) {}
Or, better yet:
while (`ls Hmm.Hmm` eq "") {}
But, then you'll get "No such file or directory" messages to STDERR.
while (`ls Hmm.Hmm 2> /dev/null` eq "") {}
You might want to sleep as well so you don't waste CPU cycles:
while (`ls Hmm.Hmm` eq "") { sleep 1; }
Then, use the postfix notation:
sleep 1 while `ls Hmm.Hmm` eq "";
Then, use the -e operator:
sleep 1 while ! -e 'Hmm.Hmm';
>
> --
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> I'm sorry but I just don't consider 'because its yucky' a convincing argument
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 05:50:49 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Location: returns empty document?
Message-Id: <6c0mvp$co8$2@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
[comp.lang.perl is long dead. Please inform your news admin that that
group should be removed.]
In article <34E3C371.D27D62FF@no.spam.wxs.nl>,
"P. Schmitz" <schmitzp@no.spam.wxs.nl> writes:
> Does anyone have any idea why the following perl script:
>
> print "Location: www.yahoo.com\n\n";
>
> doesn't redirect my browser to Yahoo!, but instead gives a 'Document
This is not a perl problem. Perl will neatly compile and run that
line. It is either a problem with your server, your browser, or with
the implementation of the HTTP protocol. All of those are discussed in
the comp.infosystems.www.* groups. You'd be better off asking there.
> The same thing in a C++ CGI-bin works
Then maybe the perl script never gets executed by your server. It's
still the same thing. That would be a problem with your server setup.
Martien
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:25:28 GMT
From: FHeasley@chemistry.com (Frank)
Subject: Make $$$ fixing bad perl scripts
Message-Id: <34e3d827.9344212@news.halcyon.com>
Just in case anybody bothers to read this, it's in response to recent
complaints about bad perl scripts from various sources.
Opportunity knocks!
Plan A.
1. Find the bad scripts. Shouldn't be too hard - just run some
searches and find folks with counters, forms, guest books, etc. etc.
2. Determine which of your "finds" is a profitable web site (don't
bother with the unprofitable ones - they're busy posting questions to
clpm looking for free advice).
3. Offer to fix the bad scripts. Explain why they need fixing. Be
nice - don't be threatening. Offer reasonable rates.
Plan B.
Set up a web site with a fee-based download area containing really
good versions of all of the really bad scripts. Make sure everyone
who uses the bad scripts knows where to get good replacements. Make
sure that the good replacements are also easier to install than the
old bad scripts.
Laugh all the way to the bank...
Frank
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 06:03:37 GMT
From: stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU (John Stanley)
Subject: Re: Moderated ng [Was: Re: So what about last summer's RFD? Let's go moderated.]
Message-Id: <6c0nnp$p8g$1@news.orst.edu>
In article <6c0htq$1ip@fridge.shore.net>,
Nathan V. Patwardhan <nvp@shore.net> wrote:
>John Stanley (stanley@skyking.OCE.ORST.EDU) wrote:
>
>: Russ, you shouldn't need this clue, but here it is anyway: nothing is
>: stopping the elite from discussing elite things right here in this
>: newsgroup. The only problem that the elite might have is that scum using
>
>Yes, that's true. The problem's with the noise. There's no sense
>in wading through hundreds of messages, many of which are completely
>unnecessary.
You missed the point. If you killfile what you consider to be noise, you
don't see it and you don't "wade through it." Oh, yes, you might see the
notice that the article had been killed, if you want to waste time
reading them as they scroll by. You don't see the article.
>And no, killfiling doesn't help.
Of course a killfile helps. If you had said "killfiles are not a 100%
solution", then I would have agreed, but something that doesn't solve
every problem can still be a help.
>The rigorous killfile
>removes entities where there might be kernels of knowledge.
There might be kernels of knowledge in every article in every group. I
doubt that you will argue that this is a reason to stop having
thousands of groups and that they should be lumped into one big one. If
your killfile removes articles you want to see, fix yor killfile.
>The lame
>killfile only removes the few things that irritate you the most.
So don't use a lame killfile.
>And
>chances are that the most irritating people who you've killfiled will
>keep reinventing themselves so you'll have to add them to your
>killfile over and over.
Here's another problem with killfiling people: sometimes they say
something you want to hear. Maybe that is an argument for writing your
killfile based on topics and not people, and not an argument against
killfiles per se.
>I'd rather read fewer postings in a moderated group.
Than read fewer postings in a group that already exists.
>The spamming business is another issue and I'm sick of discussing it.
Since I didn't mention spamming in this article, I am not sure which
"spamming issue" you are unwilling to discuss.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:42:22 +0100
From: martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE (Martin Vorlaender)
Subject: Re: MS Visual Perl (A Satire!)
Message-Id: <34e3cf2e.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>
Stuart Bullock (stuart_bullock@bigfoot.com) wrote:
: Microstuff Announce MS Visual Perl 2.0 - A Satire
: =================================================
Let's all hope it continues to be a satire...
cu,
Martin
P.S.: The official product name of course is MS Visual P++ :-)
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:46:21 -0600
From: Rich Grise <lovegod@earthling.net>
Subject: Oh, Yeah - those pesky cr's!
Message-Id: <34E3D01D.60DC@earthling.net>
So far, what seems to work for me is
$input =~ s/\r*\n//g;
I don't know if that's "right" or not, but it works for me!
Rich
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 04:55:04 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: perl -e in Win95?
Message-Id: <6c0jn8$cdr$3@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <887342929.544608@ins8.netins.net>,
lethr@dont.spam.the.net (lethr) writes:
> C:\perl.scripts>perl -e 'print "Hello\n;"'
> Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e line 1.
This is not a perl problem, but a DOS (*) problem. The DOS shell just
can't deal too well with these sorts of things. You could try
installing a more intelligent shell on your box. And no, I don't know
where to find one. Try one of the DOS archives, or www.shareware.com,
and look for 'shell' or something like that.
Alternatively, you can try things like:
prompt> perl
print "Hello\n"
__END__
Hello
prompt>
Martien
(*) With DOS I mean DOS and derivatives like Win95, NT, and the like.
They all share this.
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NSW, Australia |
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:53:25 -0500
From: Larry D'Anna <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl and fast (big) file parsing
Message-Id: <34E3EDE5.3D61AA8B@hotmail.com>
Amine wrote:
>
> Hello all ,
>
> i am trying to parse every character of a big file by doing like this
>
> while (!eof(MGRFILE))
> {
> seek(MGRFILE,$i,0);
> read(MGRFILE,$a,1);
> $i++;
> }
>
> but this is taking very very long time for big files like 10+ Mo
> how can i do it more quikly without rewriting it in C ?
> Note that i don't want to slurp it in memory this will take too much
> memory .
>
>
> Thanks in advance
> Amine
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|Democracy is the worst system of government. --
|Except for all the others
| -Winston Churchill
---------------------------------------------------
Larry D'Anna "eschew obfuscation"
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 05:52:36 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Perl Syntax Coloring For Visual Studio????
Message-Id: <6c0n34$co8$3@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <34E22C05.37367247@advancedsw.com>,
Michael Schreiber <mschreiber@advancedsw.com> writes:
> Does anyone know where to find a module that I can plug into Visual
> Studio to get this.
This is not a perl question, but a question about Visual studio. You
should probably find a newsgroup that talks about editors, and ask
there. This group is meant for discussion of the perl language.
Martien
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 05:44:54 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: Perl use on IIS 4
Message-Id: <6c0mkm$co8$1@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <34e3b83e.0@news.netacc.net>,
"Ted Thomas" <tthomas@netacc.net> writes:
> I have been unable to get the PWS version of IIS 4, running on a standalone
> NT 4 workstation, to run Perl cgi scripts. They either result in the error
> message "%1 is not a valid Windows NT command" or, in the case of SSI
> scripts, they are ignored. I added the string value
> "e:\ntreskit\perl\perl.exe %s %s" with key ".cgi" to the registry, but this
> made no difference.
This really isn't a perl problem. It's a problem with the
configuration of your web server. You will probably get a better
response rate if you ask things like this in a newsgroup that
discusses web servers, like one of the comp.infosystems.www.* groups.
Doesn't the documentation for the web server tell you how to do this?
Martien
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:52:00 -0800
From: Denis Goddard <dgoddard@us.oracle.com>
To: mwang@alhena.ibk.ml.com
Subject: Re: reading in long file
Message-Id: <34E3DF80.AFB0204F@us.oracle.com>
I wrote:
>>Your program is slow because of the start-snd-stop, unbuffered IO.
>>It will be *MUCH* faster to suck as much into memory as you possibly can
>>(even if the memory manager does some disk swapping).
And received the reply from 'mwang':
>What do you mean as much as you can.
Okay, I mean, as much as will fit in RAM and/or will not
cause excessive swapfile thrashing.
Oh, and pre-grow yer array before sucking in:
$#file_contents_array = 10000;
Anyways, 'mwang' continues:
> ...To read an entire huge file,
>it is definitely faster to suck BUFSIZE by BUFSIZE than the whole
>file at once.
Well, seems to me, a single, long, continuous read on (a relatively
defragmented) disk is going to be quicker than tens of thousands
of individual, discrete IO requests, even if you are sensible enough to
read BUFSIZE at a time. At best, a smart O/S and smart disk controller
will just keep the drive spinning for ya, and read ahead for ya, trying as
best as they can to emulate just reading the whole thing in one nice, long
sweep.
Which, in database parlance, is why sometimes a full table scan is
sometimes preferable over (for example) a bounded key search.
But I am human and fallible.
Maybe I am missing something?
-Denis
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Date: 13 Feb 1998 04:48:37 GMT
From: mgjv@comdyn.com.au (Martien Verbruggen)
Subject: Re: RFC about "Matt's Script Archive"
Message-Id: <6c0jb5$cdr$2@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>
In article <EoAsAq.LI7@world.std.com>,
c28f62@world.std.com (Mark Kramer) writes:
> Can anyone reading this thread, where Matt has been referred to as
> either evil or bad, wonder why people don't jump up and down with glee
> at the thought of giving their code to this group?
Lots of people have donated well written code to the perl community.
Maybe you should visit CPAN once in a while?
Martien
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Webmaster www.tradingpost.com.au | Make it idiot proof and someone will
Commercial Dynamics Pty. Ltd. | make a better idiot.
NSW, Australia |
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 06:17:20 GMT
From: c28f62@world.std.com (Mark Kramer)
Subject: Re: RFC about "Matt's Script Archive"
Message-Id: <EoB04w.DCM@world.std.com>
In article <6c0jb5$cdr$2@comdyn.comdyn.com.au>,
Martien Verbruggen <mgjv@comdyn.com.au> wrote:
>In article <EoAsAq.LI7@world.std.com>,
> c28f62@world.std.com (Mark Kramer) writes:
>
>> Can anyone reading this thread, where Matt has been referred to as
>> either evil or bad, wonder why people don't jump up and down with glee
>> at the thought of giving their code to this group?
>
>Lots of people have donated well written code to the perl community.
Yes, some do, but many more don't. All those people who don't consider
it worth their while to "donate" if they may be labelled "evil" for the
way they write their code. Remember that old chestnut: there's more
than one way to do it? And remember the lament that more people aren't
embracing the "free software" philosophy?
Admit it; if it was someone besides Tom who was complaining that a free
piece of software wasn't written the way he liked code to be written,
would you you be supporting him or telling him to write his own if he
didn't like the free stuff?
>Maybe you should visit CPAN once in a while?
Maybe you should argue the issue and not make snide comments about
things you don't understand. Boy, won't you feel foolish when you
realize that I have been to CPAN a lot, and that is why I have noticed
that there aren't a lot of names there.
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:14:07 -0500
From: Larry D'Anna <ldanna@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: So what about last summer's RFD? Let's go moderated.
Message-Id: <34E3F2BF.3FF07085@hotmail.com>
John Stanley wrote:
> The proposal died because there was no consensus about mandating
> "valid" spammable addresses for every posting. There wasn't a valid way
> of defining "valid", but it was a requirement. The proponents decided
> they didn't have time to discuss the proposal any more, and it expired.
>
> If this same proposal comes up again, I will be just as opposed to any
> mandate for spammable addresses as I was when it came up the first
> time. There is no reason this group needs to serve up verified
> addresses to spammers on a silver platter.
This seems to be a silly reason not to have a moderated group.
<snip>
> If it was going to die because there isn't a moderated group, it would
> have died a long time ago.
It is dying, slowly.
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|Democracy is the worst system of government. --
|Except for all the others
| -Winston Churchill
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Larry D'Anna "eschew obfuscation"
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:01:18 -0800
From: Denis Goddard <dgoddard@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: time for comp.lang.perl.more-needed ? (Re: repetitive FAQ posts)
Message-Id: <34E3D39E.2C592F05@us.oracle.com>
Remove xx to reply [no comment, but also no courtesey reply...]
> clp.misc is just too vague. It almost invites lots of
> rubbish...
Much as this may offend the NetGods, I have to agree.
It's almost like a "post anything you like here" sign
hung over the door.
Granted, this alone does not explain away the "how do I sort
lines in a file" questions!
-Denis
(who hopes Tom does not decide to go away forever,
and thinks it's way cool that Randall posted something.. anything, really...)
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Date: 12 Feb 1998 22:51:47 -0600
From: Kent Perrier <kperrier@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
Subject: Re: Why is Tom Christiansen so rude?
Message-Id: <cs1zx89kf0.fsf@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM>
Gellyfish@btinternet.com (Jonathan Stowe) writes:
> In article <6bv95t$ira$1@csnews.cs.colorado.edu>, tchrist@mox.perl.com
> says...
>
> >For this, Ken invented grep.
> >
>
> This probably is not why Bill G. "invented" the happless find though ;-{
>
But the FSF has provided a functional equivalent of the unix grep for
Bill'$ broken OS.
Kent
--
Kent Perrier kperrier@neosoft.com
Corporations don't have opinions, people do. These are mine.
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