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Thu Apr 10 15:17:17 1997
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 12:00:24 -0700
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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 10 Apr 1997 Volume: 8 Number: 271
Today's topics:
abort a script (Periat Henri)
Re: Affordable Web Hosting Solutions (none)
AnyDBM_File ? how to tell which package came in <zephyr@wesell.com>
Help: SDBM won't update! (Stele Prestxy)
Interprocess Communication (Digital Psychosis)
Re: Kudos to Tom Christiansen and problems with OO <lpa@sysdeco.no>
Newbe problems with Perl for NT: system commands <nnysiu@ny.ubs.com>
NIS+ Perl Library <civil@fidnet.com>
Re: No GUI environment for Perl? <cbaron@nwrain.com>
Re: Perl and FTP ???? (Jason Bodnar)
Re: Perl lib or module for MS-Word docs and/or RTF need <wsmith@maya.ctron.com>
perl parsing slashing question (Jon Nathan)
Re: Problems with LWP on Dynix 4.2.1 (Mark Doyle)
Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and <bhouse@dazsi.com>
Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and <bhouse@dazsi.com>
Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and (Rainer Joswig)
Sock_Stream not supported ?? Help. mgrabenstein@isinet.com
system & variables in perl (nicholas david pesce)
System Function, NT and multiple switches EScrubb@worldnet.att.net
Re: TCL & interface definitions (was Re: Ousterhout and <bvaleria@iosphere.net>
Re: Unix and ease of use (WAS: Who makes more ...) <helmut.zeisel@aon.at>
Re: what regexps work? <fishbowl@fotd.netcomi.com>
Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers? <clfranck@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers? (Ed Hook)
Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers? <clfranck@worldnet.att.net>
why can't arg 1 to shift be split? (Mathew A. Hennessy)
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 15:29:23 GMT
From: periat@ens.ascom.ch (Periat Henri)
Subject: abort a script
Message-Id: <5ij10k$piv@ascomax.hasler.ascom.ch>
Hi everybody
I have a Perl program, which starts compilers with system(gcc ...)
or `gcc ...` in a loop. Now I want to be able to abort the program when
ever I want to. But when I press Ctrl-C, the compiler stops but not my
Perl program and the loop goes on.
I studied page 337 anf following of the new Camel book but i couldn't
find a solution for my problem.
What can I do ?
Thanks
Henri
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:24:44 GMT
From: none@none.org (none)
Subject: Re: Affordable Web Hosting Solutions
Message-Id: <334d300c.12708601@news.rogers.com>
On Tue, 08 Apr 1997 23:21:25 -0600, woutlet@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> Wolrd Outlet Inc. (http://www.worldoutlet.com)
>
>
>$39.95 per month. Quality Web Hosting for Your Business:
>www.your_company.com (see http://www.wolrdoutlet.com)
>
>It is now easier to set your company apart from the rest with your own
>domain name. For $39.95 per month and a one time setup fee of $99.00*,
>your account will have full email capabilities (you@your_company.com)
>and a URL such as "www.your_company.com", as well as all of the
>following:
>
>- FREE SUBMISSIONS TO TOP 150 SEARCH ENGINES AND DIRECTORIES
>
>- Domain name registration provided (www.your_company.com)
>- Unlimited Email accounts included (you@your_company.com)
That's rather funny. You provide services to include email IDs for
their own domain yet you have yours as "woutlet@worldnet.att.net".
It's a strong confidence builder! [NOT!]
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:19:58 GMT
From: "john z." <zephyr@wesell.com>
Subject: AnyDBM_File ? how to tell which package came in
Message-Id: <01bc45d1$ba9d8ca0$2dd4b7cc@pciii>
AnyDBM_File is an interesting construct. But what is the
preferred way to find which class/ package was brought in.
my app moves to different platforms and id like to use
AnyDBM to see what the user has to work with.
couldnt find the answer in perl2 manual or samples.
tks.
zephyr@wesell.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:05:04 GMT
From: sp@sds.no (Stele Prestxy)
Subject: Help: SDBM won't update!
Message-Id: <334d1946.34377611@nntp.ifi.uio.no>
When I try to run the included cgi-script in order to update a
SDBM-file that already exists, the following error code shows up:
sdbm store returned -1, errno 2, key "1997.4.1018:39:48" at
j:\WEBSITE\CGI-SHL\MELDING.CGI line 356.
I've debugged the script and verified that the data is OK.
I've also run a load-script that loads the SDBM-file with three
records and it works all fine. Furthermore, I hav no trouble fetching
records from the file.
Anyone who knows what this can be? All suggestions are appreciated!
------------------------- copy of load-script ------------------------
open(INPUT,$datafile) || die "Couldn't open $datafile";
tie(%hMelding, "SDBM_File", $dbMelding, O_RDWR | O_CREAT | O_BINARY,
0777);
while (<INPUT>) {
chop();
($timestamp, $skrevet, $fra, $til, $melding) = split(/\;/);
print $timestamp, $skrevet, $fra, $til, $melding, "\n";
$meldingKey = $timestamp;
while ($meldingKey =~ s/ +//) {}
$hMelding{$meldingKey} = "${skrevet}|${fra}|${til}|${melding}";
}
untie %hMelding;
close(INPUT);
------------------------- end of load-script ------------------------
-------------------------- copy of cgi-script ------------------------
tie(%hMelding, "SDBM_File", $dbMelding, O_RDWR|O_APPEND|O_BINARY,
0777);
$hMelding{$meldingKey} = "${nyDato}|${fra}|${til}|${melding}";
untie %hMelding;
-------------------------- end of cgi-script ------------------------
Stele Prestxy, Oslo, Norway
Work :Statens Datasentral a.s, phone 23145000
Mail :sp@sds.no
WWW :http://daneel.sds.no/~sp/
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:53:21 GMT
From: omard@stipple.seas.upenn.edu (Digital Psychosis)
Subject: Interprocess Communication
Message-Id: <5ij9eh$346@netnews.upenn.edu>
I want to open a telnet session, and link its INPUT and OUTPUT
to something else also OPENed in perl.
the problem is I can do either input or output, but Not both
since I cant access the input/output of a process one its been
started..... is there a way to do this?
omard
--
Never take a strangers advice, Never let a friend fool you twice,
Never be the first to believe, never be the last to deceive...
____________The City of Suffering_____________ omard@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~omard/welcome.shtml shade@resurrection.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:35:28 +0200
From: Luca Passani <lpa@sysdeco.no>
Subject: Re: Kudos to Tom Christiansen and problems with OO
Message-Id: <334D24E0.7E59@sysdeco.no>
OK, it looks like it's me against the world.
First off, my original message was only intended at thanking Tom and
making the answer public for others to use in the future.
The thread was started by a note of complaint about the fact that
my question had been unattended when it would have been so simple for
many to answer.
Douglas Seay wrote:
> While that is true of common folk like me, I doubt if TomC gets his
> thousand hours for each hour he spends. I am not even sure that he gets
> one hour for each thousand hours he spends.
I agree totally. Appointing him Perl Saint has my vote.
> Nope, that is groupthink. c.l.p.m is a collection of individuals. That
> no one individual decided to help you says nothing of the others. By
> reading this group we make no claims to usefulness. Just if someone
> sees something that they think that they can answer correctly, they
> reply. No promises, just friends helping friends.
If you post a question which is normally answered in a few hours, but
nobody really seems to care about it, I think a certain sense of having
been treated unfairly is normal.
Did I start a thread shouting how bad this newsgroup is?
I don't think so. I think this newsgroup is pretty good. In my
particular case, I was not so lucky and a marginal drop of complaint
slipped from my keybord.
Nobody has an obligation to do anything, of course,
but if newsgroups didn't work this way, not many people would be here
now.
> I don't remember seeing your post. I can't tell you why I didn't
> answer. Maybe I had a busy day and your subject didn't look interesting
> enough. Dunno.
I'm not saying that you are to blame. I'm saying that nobody cared to
take a (hard enough) look at my posting. I am not accusing anyone.
> It is so nice of you to set standards of conduct for the rest of us.
well, if I see an answered question and I know the answer*, I reply.
Luca
*and the newsgroup is the right one :-)
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Email: lpa@sysdeco.no | Trondheimsveien 184, 0570 Oslo, Norway
Tel: (+47) 22 09 66 06 | Fax: (+47) 22 09 65 03
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 12:09:34 -0400
From: Andrew Sirulnik <nnysiu@ny.ubs.com>
Subject: Newbe problems with Perl for NT: system commands
Message-Id: <334D10BE.C67@ny.ubs.com>
Hi,
I'm trying to write some elementary CGI scripts via NT 4's Peer Web
Services. Does anyone have any
insight into why certain NT system commands might work, but others
don't?? All work when the script is executed directly....
Thanks in advance!
--Andrew
#
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
# $command = "dir" #this works...
# $command = "vol" #so does this
# $command = "nbtstat" #this craps out
# $command = "net view" #so does this
&print_head;
&print_body;
&print_tail;
# -----------------------------------
sub print_head {
print "Content-type: text/HTML
<HTML><HEAD>
<TITLE>NT NBTSTAT on the WWW</TITLE>
</HEAD><BODY>
<H1> Head-> ";
};
# -----------------------------------
# -----------------------------------
sub print_tail {
print " <-tail </H1>
</BODY></HTML>";
};
# -----------------------------------
# -----------------------------------
sub print_body {
$a = system("$command");
print $a;
};
# -----------------------------------
#
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 15:35:07 GMT
From: "Bryan B. Campbell" <civil@fidnet.com>
Subject: NIS+ Perl Library
Message-Id: <01bc45c5$78e86020$11ccd8cd@edecon.fidnet.com>
Anyone out there seen anything in the way of a generic Perl Lib for NIS+?
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:21:50 -0700
From: Chris Baron <cbaron@nwrain.com>
Subject: Re: No GUI environment for Perl?
Message-Id: <334D139E.581@nwrain.com>
elarishy@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <334c0caa.2460566@news.ntr.net>,
> mark@ntr.net (Mark Mills) wrote:
> >
> > On 8 Apr 1997 18:59:04 GMT, scott@lighthouse.softbase.com () wrote:
> >
> > >Luca Passani (lpa@sysdeco.no) wrote:
> > >: If Perl was delivered with a nice GUI interface (both on Unix and PCs),
> > >: it would gain much more appeal to the novices which are scared by a
> > >: learning curve they will have to climb anyway.
>
> > Unless there was *NO* way to turn off -w, :>
> >
> > Then it would help a little.
> >
> Hi Mark,
>
> Here what I am doing NOW, running under win95 .. I go to dos then edit
> then perl then reedit then perl then reedit .. get the picture ... can
> you help in making it easy for me to test and debug so I can enjoy perl
>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
I use PFE the nice freeware editor with a command set up to run Perl in
a DOS session and return the results in an editor window. Works great.
--
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chris@hypertising.com - http://www.hypertising.com/
Look for my new book "Drag n Drop CGI -
Enhancing your web site without programming"
from Addison-Wesley Developer's Press - mid '97
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:31:59 GMT
From: jason@cimedia.com (Jason Bodnar)
Subject: Re: Perl and FTP ????
Message-Id: <334d07e0.4941279@news.onr.com>
"Matteo Pelati" <pelatimtt@poboxes.com> wrote:
>I'd like to know if it possible to use perl commands ( for instance
>readdir, open ) when I'm connected to an ftp site and see the ftp archive
>as a local hard drive. If it's possible how can I tell perl to do that?
>
Take a look at the Net::FTP module on CPAN.
--
Jason C. Bodnar
jason@cimedia.com
Internet Programmer
Cox Interactive Media
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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 16:40:42 -0400
From: Will Smith <wsmith@maya.ctron.com>
To: "Simon Hyde (aka Jeckyll)" <shyde@poboxes.com>
Subject: Re: Perl lib or module for MS-Word docs and/or RTF needed!
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.93.970408163828.282A-100000@maya.ctron.com>
On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, Simon Hyde (aka Jeckyll) wrote:
|>If you know some perl program that can create/convert Word 6.0-7.0 and
|>Reach Text Format, or even the description of data format, please, send
|>me. I'd like both UNIX and Win32 versions.
|
|Why not just use the converter built into word?
because not everyone HAS WinDOZE yet. there are still some of us that
prefer to use something else.
______________________________________________
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| wsmith@ctron.com DAL/VNS Group |
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| |
|/\--------------------------------------------\
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:52:25 GMT
From: jn0729a@cage.cas.american.edu (Jon Nathan)
Subject: perl parsing slashing question
Message-Id: <5ij9cp$d47$1@paladin.american.edu>
hello
i'm trying to write a simple script that will read through a file and
subsitute
for all instances of
>-<
this is to fix up an html file that i made in an ugly way, but that's not
important. i've written
#!/usr/bin/perl
while(<>){
s/>-</> </g;
}
so, i should be able to run this by calling fix.pl file.html this runs
fine, no errors, and compiles (from perl -w) with no complaints either,
but it doesn't do anything to the file. my guess is that i need to \slash
out some characters, but i couldn't find which characters need to be
\slashed out on the web. any help would be great.
thanks
--
Jon Nathan
jon@blading.com
www.csis.american.edu/~jn0729a
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:30:34 GMT
From: doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle)
Subject: Re: Problems with LWP on Dynix 4.2.1
Message-Id: <5ijbka$cde@sun20.ccd.bnl.gov>
doyle@aps.org (Mark Doyle) wrote:
[omitted]
Following up, the problem is more subtle than I thought. I have found that if
I run my test script in the debugger then it works. However, if I run it in
the debugger with tracing turned on, it fails as before. Anyone have any
ideas what might cause this kind of behavior? [I am running 5.003]
Cheers,
Mark
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:17:30 GMT
From: "Bill House" <bhouse@dazsi.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl ...)
Message-Id: <01bc45d1$8fed3460$03d3c9d0@wjh_dell_133.dazsi.com>
Graham Matthews <graham.matthews@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote in article
<334C2386.2916@maths.anu.edu.au>...
>
> Bill you are letting rational argument and empirical fact get in the way
> of the barrow you have to push :-) :-) [for the humour impaired]
>
Actually, since I'm not in sales and my employer doesn't sell a Lisp
programming tool, I guess my only "barrow" is that I hate to see good
technology (and techniques) go under utilized.
Bill House
Director of Engineering
DAZSI
--
bhouse@dazsi.com
http://www.dazsi.com
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:33:33 GMT
From: "Bill House" <bhouse@dazsi.com>
Subject: Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl ...)
Message-Id: <01bc45d3$cdf47fa0$03d3c9d0@wjh_dell_133.dazsi.com>
M. Prasad <prasadm@not4u.polaroid.com> wrote in article
<334CD665.186E@not4u.polaroid.com>...
> So hype or the lack of it doesn't quite do it.
Hype alone won't make an intelligent shopper buy, but without some form of
hype, the shopper needs to be quite a scrounger to even locate the
"product". In an ideal world, perhaps all products would be evaluated
fairly, but this world is no one's ideal.
Bill House
--
bhouse@dazsi.com
http://www.dazsi.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:54:59 +0200
From: joswig@lavielle.com (Rainer Joswig)
Subject: Re: Reply to Ousterhout's reply (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl ...)
Message-Id: <joswig-ya023180001004971854590001@news.lavielle.com>
In article <5ihqfv$fof@lynx.dac.neu.edu>, mkagalen@lynx.dac.neu.edu
(Michael Kagalenko) wrote:
> I think you'll excuse me for another mention of NeXT programming
> environment, based on dynamically-typed language. Interface
> builder allows you to create, change and test interface without
> compiling it. I do not know of any analog of this tool.
Why not compile it? Don't you guys have incremental compilation?
Even the ideas for the Interface Builder was once a Mac program
written in Lisp (ExperLisp?).
For a newer user- and object-oriented scripting language with strong
capabilities in user interface programming (multimedia) see the
SK8 project from Apple (http://sk8.research.apple.com/).
Btw., written in MCL.
--
http://www.lavielle.com/~joswig/
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:41:15 -0600
From: mgrabenstein@isinet.com
Subject: Sock_Stream not supported ?? Help.
Message-Id: <860697562.19487@dejanews.com>
I have Perl v5.003 installed on a Sparc4 running Solaris 2.5.1.
I am trying to bring up socket communication with protocol SOCK_STREAM
and I am getting a message saying "protocol not supported."
Is this normal for Solaris 2.5.1, or did I flub something when I built
Perl ? Do I have to wait for perl 5.004 ??
Please CC me in your response. TIA.
Later,
Mike
#include <stdio.h>
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 11:12:28 -0400
From: pesce@needle.cis.ohio-state.edu (nicholas david pesce)
Subject: system & variables in perl
Message-Id: <5ij00sINNkb9@needle.cis.ohio-state.edu>
I am trying to write a program that will check to see if anyone is on my
machine inside a network...
Thus I want to use the unix who command and translate the output into
an array that can be checked for my username, and that it is on the console
I understand that this is a simple program but I am having problems transfering
the system("who") data into a perl array, could someone help a newbie out on
this problem.
Thanks
-Nick
pesce@cis.ohio-state.edu
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:31:39 -0400
From: EScrubb@worldnet.att.net
Subject: System Function, NT and multiple switches
Message-Id: <MPG.db6edf9b8c54deb989680@netnews.worldnet.att.net>
Have done some research about this....however....when using the system
call on a string that has multiple switches, it seems like the only part
of the string that is executed is the first command. I know there was a
problem with this for Win95 in relation to command.com. I didn't think
there was a similiar problem with NT. The camel book says that the system
function calls the fork function first and I remember that there were
problems with fork being implemented in the NT port...is this the answer?
Also, if I am using Perl for ISAPI, the FAQ's say that it is
unadvisable to use the system function...is this also true, or does this
just complicate the problem further.
I am guessing my problem really isn't that hard, however, I am a
bit confused with the documentation that I have read. Any help would be
appreciated.
EScrubb@worldnet.att.net
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:35:15 GMT
From: bvaleria <bvaleria@iosphere.net>
Subject: Re: TCL & interface definitions (was Re: Ousterhout and Tcl lost the plot with latest paper)
Message-Id: <5iitr3$j2@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>
What's with the JavaScript bomb and the flashing text - you discover a
few new script commands and you have to show your new-found knowledge to
everyone??
Spamming jerk.... will you grow up and get a life, you reject....
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:04:42 +0200
From: 917312523 <helmut.zeisel@aon.at>
Subject: Re: Unix and ease of use (WAS: Who makes more ...)
Message-Id: <334D1DAA.4C3D@aon.at>
Ryurick M. Hristev wrote:
>
> "Tim Behrendsen" <tim@a-sis.com> writes:
>
> > But I don't even need to go there. Name one freely available
> > *significant* product that is *clearly* better than *any* commercial
> > product, regardless of price. There are some good programs of limited
> > size that are not worth a commercial entity rewriting (some may
> > say Emacs, but I wouldn't...), but I mean products of significant
> > size and complexity.
>
> TeX
A few other (not so good) examples:
Eispack/Linpack/Lapack
PGP
Netscape and MS Internet Explorer (they are free and commercial)
But it is clear that if a free product is *clearly* better than a
commercial product, the commercial product will not survive.
There is no commercial competitor to TeX - it would be very
difficult to write one that is better.
Helmut Zeisel
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0500
From: "James L. McGill" <fishbowl@fotd.netcomi.com>
To: Eli the Bearded <process@qz.little-neck.ny.us>
Subject: Re: what regexps work?
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970410133446.4785D-100000@fotd.netcomi.com>
On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, Eli the Bearded wrote:
>Does procmail use locale for [a-z] expansions? (Perl does not.)
According to Tom Christiansen and Jeffrey Friedl, it does.
How did you determine that it does not?
Perl uses whatever libc uses to determine its character classes.
\w is magic for [a-zA-Z_]
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 17:09:08 GMT
From: Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers?
Message-Id: <5ij6rk$rks@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>
kaz@vision.crest.nt.com (Kaz Kylheku) wrote:
>In article <5ihhpq$pfq@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>,
>Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>At the time the statement was made I am sure it was true.
>>Things change fast in the computer industry...
>
>You can't change the origin of a name.
Not without strong Orwellian overtones. :-)
>Why don't we agree that USA stands for Unexplored Southern Area? (From
>a Canadian point of view, anyway). Heck, things change!
The thing that got me to respond was the part about 'UNIX' still
belonging to Bell Labs. As an aside, the company I work for,
GTECH, name used to be an acronym for "Gaming TECHnology" (they
implement lotteries). However, someone else owns that name, and
if you ask anyone what the letters stand for they will tell you
"nothing". Of course, that doesn't change what they used to stand
for, or what inspired the name.
--
Craig
clfranck@worldnet.att.net
Manchester, NH
Man is the only animal for whom his own existence is
a problem which he has to solve. -- Erich Fromm
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:06:38 GMT
From: hook@cscsun3.larc.nasa.gov (Ed Hook)
Subject: Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers?
Message-Id: <5ija7e$ja0$1@reznor.larc.nasa.gov>
In article <5ihhpq$pfq@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>, Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net> writes:
|> abigail@ny.fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
|> >
|> >"UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories. `UNIX' is *not* an acronym,
|> > but a weak pun on MULTICS, the operating system that Thompson and
|> > Ritchie worked on before UNIX."
|>
|> I wouldn't call it a weak pun. :-) Anyway, AT&T sold its UNIX
|> System Laboratories (USL) to Novell in 1993. Later that year,
|> the UNIX trademark was transferred from Novell to X/Open;
|> Novell, I believe, still holds the source code license.
|>
This doesn't seem particularly relevant to the present discussion.
|> >That is the footnote on the first page of the prefeace of
|> >"The UNIX programming environment" by Brian W. Kernighan
|> >and Rob Pike. [ISBN 0-13-937699-2]
|> >
|> >You think you know better?
|>
|> At the time the statement was made I am sure it was true.
|> Things change fast in the computer industry...
|>
The statement in question concerns an _historical_ fact -- the actual
genesis of the name "UNIX". Its truth or falsity does not evolve over
time. Given the source, I think that we may safely believe it to be true.
|> --
|> Craig
|> clfranck@worldnet.att.net
|> Manchester, NH
|> Man is the only animal for whom his own existence is
|> a problem which he has to solve. -- Erich Fromm
|>
|>
--
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 18:11:29 GMT
From: Craig Franck <clfranck@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Who makes more $$ - Windows vs. Unix programmers?
Message-Id: <5ijagh$a9h@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>
abigail@fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>On 10 Apr 1997 02:03:38 GMT, Craig Franck wrote in
>comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.lang.c <URL: news:5ihhpq$pfq@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>:
>++ abigail@ny.fnx.com (Abigail) wrote:
>++ >
>++ >"UNIX is a trademark of Bell Laboratories. `UNIX' is *not* an acronym,
>++ > but a weak pun on MULTICS, the operating system that Thompson and
>++ > Ritchie worked on before UNIX."
>++
>++ I wouldn't call it a weak pun. :-) Anyway, AT&T sold its UNIX
>++ System Laboratories (USL) to Novell in 1993. Later that year,
>++ the UNIX trademark was transferred from Novell to X/Open;
>++ Novell, I believe, still holds the source code license.
>
>That doesn't mean UNIX suddenly became an acronym.
Where did I say it did? I disputed the puns characterization
as "weak".
>++ >That is the footnote on the first page of the prefeace of
>++ >"The UNIX programming environment" by Brian W. Kernighan
>++ >and Rob Pike. [ISBN 0-13-937699-2]
>++ >
>++ >You think you know better?
>++
>++ At the time the statement was made I am sure it was true.
>++ Things change fast in the computer industry...
>
>
>Uhm, historical facts don't change. Or aren't Ritchie and Thompson
>no longer the original authors of Unix anymore? Maybe nowadays
>Unix was designed by Microsoft?
Boy, talk about being a nasty, sacrastic bitch! You post out
of date information, challenge the whole of Usenet with "You
think you know better?" and then respond with this crap about
Microsoft designing UNIX.
The thrust of my resonse to your posting of misinformation onto
Usenet had to do with your quoting a book that stated that Bell
Labs owned the UNIX name. All I said about what the name meant
was that it wasn't a *weak* pun and even added a smiley face.
It appears my attempt at saving you from future embarrassment
by pointing out the actual facts of the matter was unwelcome.
The only thanks I receive is to get mauled by heavy sarcasm.
--
Craig
clfranck@worldnet.att.net
Manchester, NH
Man is the only animal for whom his own existence is
a problem which he has to solve. -- Erich Fromm
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Date: 10 Apr 1997 14:06:18 -0400
From: hennessy@cloud9.net (Mathew A. Hennessy)
Subject: why can't arg 1 to shift be split?
Message-Id: <5ija6q$4dc@cloud9.net>
checked perlfunc,perlfaq4, no answer..
I want to do this:
require perl5;
$user_name=shift( (split(/:/,$htpasswd_line)) );
However, I get this in reply:
Type of arg 1 to shift must be array (not split) at build-user_info.pl
line 35, near ") )"
Execution of build-user_info.pl aborted due to compilation errors.
And, this works, but is extremely inelegant (IMHO):
require perl5;
@crud=split(/:/,$htpasswd_line);
$user_name=shift(@crud);
Now, what I am interested in knowing is if split returns a
"second-class" list of some kind.. Why can't I shift the list returned
by split? I'm not used to Perl telling me I _must_ do _anything_..
Thanks,
--
- Matt (hennessy@thoughtcrime.com)
<em><a href="http://www.cloud9.net/~hennessy">My mildly useful page</a></em>
"Funny, how just when you think life can't possibly get any worse,
it suddenly does." -Marvin, HHGTTG
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