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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Fri, 31 May 2013 Volume: 11 Number: 3958
Today's topics:
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <glex_no-spam@qwest-spam-no.invalid>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <cartercc@gmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Re: Would anyone teach me perl? <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com>
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <d0932d51-c649-4b10-a1b8-ffdee7f1d0e3@googlegroups.com>
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:04:50 AM UTC-7, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
> I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble. I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
>
> titles:
>
> Learning Perl
>
> Programming Perl
>
> Perl Cookbook
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Can anyone put the time in to teaching me to program?
>
> Are you willing to help me even though I'm don't know how?
>
> I'm a pretty fast learner, so don't even worry about getting flustered.
I am under 18 and I can not do college courses, so don't talk to me like one, but understand I have super limited options!!!
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 10:17:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <0d4937aa-41ef-46de-9547-e8b6258e7ab1@googlegroups.com>
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:04:50 AM UTC-7, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
> I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble. I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
>
> titles:
>
> Learning Perl
>
> Programming Perl
>
> Perl Cookbook
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Can anyone put the time in to teaching me to program?
>
> Are you willing to help me even though I'm don't know how?
>
> I'm a pretty fast learner, so don't even worry about getting flustered.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I am fully aware that computer science is a college major I want to pursue when I get to college, but I'm trying to start early. The earlier I start the further along I'll be later.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:50:36 -0500
From: "J. Gleixner" <glex_no-spam@qwest-spam-no.invalid>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <51a7916c$0$75672$815e3792@news.qwest.net>
On 05/30/13 11:47, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:04:50 AM UTC-7, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
>> I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble. I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
>>
>> titles:
>>
>> Learning Perl
>>
>> Programming Perl
>>
>> Perl Cookbook
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Can anyone put the time in to teaching me to program?
>>
>> Are you willing to help me even though I'm don't know how?
>>
>> I'm a pretty fast learner, so don't even worry about getting flustered.
>
> I am under 18 and I can not do college courses, so don't talk to me like one, but understand I have super limited options!!!
Wow.. First, it might be good to learn how to post follow-ups.
Age is a lame excuse, you have access to the Internet. Everything
you ever wanted to learn is available to you. Read books, read
code (pick a module you're interested in, on CPAN or your local
installation, and read through it), write code that does something
you want to do, ask questions. There are a lot of online courses, even
college courses, books, and documentation. If you need a teacher,
then sign-up for a class either online, or some local company.
I'd suggest experimenting/reading about other languages too. Everyone
seems to like/dislike various languages for different reasons and maybe
Perl is/isn't the language for you.
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:56:05 -0700
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <pabfq8d8a3gq8mona9l34b4i8a8ko5pl4i@4ax.com>
Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:04:50 AM UTC-7, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
>> Can anyone put the time in to teaching me to program?
>>
>> Are you willing to help me even though I'm don't know how?
>>
>> I'm a pretty fast learner, so don't even worry about getting flustered.
>
>I am under 18 and I can not do college courses,
It certainly would have helped to understand your situation if you had
mentioned that in your first article. People are not mind readers and in
a medium like Usenet the only information you get is what the other
person wrote.
>so don't talk to me like one, but understand I have super limited options!!!
Inquire at your school. I cannot imagine that there is a school that
doesn't offer programming classes. And if there really really is none
then gather a few co-students with the same interest and found a
programming group yourself. Heck, we founded our computer group over 30
years ago in 10th grade using a TI-59. Only 2 years later the school
finally bought the first Apple-II.
jue
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <98a9cb0f-8032-4db5-9b62-216eeddfc71b@googlegroups.com>
On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:04:50 AM UTC-4, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
> I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble. I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
There's plenty of good Perl in the standard distribution. Read through it and figure out what each expression, statement, and function does. You will also find that reading perldoc is very helpful.
CC.
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:42:34 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <q88l7a-5i92.ln1@anubis.morrow.me.uk>
Quoth ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:04:50 AM UTC-4, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
> > I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble.
> I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
Do you mean the second edition? (And, do you mean the Camel Book,
'Programming Perl'?) That's thoroughly out of date, and while it will be
possible to learn basic Perl from that, you'd be better off getting a
copy of the third or fourth edition.
(For the record, I learnt Perl from the 3rd edition and the manpages,
but then I already knew basic programming [no pun intended]. I learnt
programming at the age of about 10 with a BBC Master 128 and The Usborne
Book of Computer Programming, later supplemented with a proper Acorn
manual (which explained about nifty constructions like DEFPROC which
weren't in portable BASIC). I have never had any formal instruction, bar
a single course on 'Automata and Formal Languages' I took at University,
most of which I already knew from reading the Bison manual.)
> There's plenty of good Perl in the standard distribution.
Hmm. There's also plenty of bad Perl, or, at least, Perl-4-era Perl.
Many of the core modules are maintained on a 'don't touch it unless it
breaks' basis, which is a pretty sound policy for important and
well-tested code, but doesn't necessarily make for good examples to
learn from.
Ben
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:23:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <211729c5-1a87-4012-a42b-3ffc89d9b66b@googlegroups.com>
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:56:05 PM UTC-7, J=FCrgen Exner wrote:
> Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> >On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:04:50 AM UTC-7, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
>=20
> >> Can anyone put the time in to teaching me to program?
>=20
> >>=20
>=20
> >> Are you willing to help me even though I'm don't know how?
>=20
> >> Thanks for posting and I've already desided to start a group in hopes =
of learning about other languages. My practice with perl is getting better.=
The name of my group is Programming all Languages. I will see about what m=
y school offers.
>=20
> >> I'm a pretty fast learner, so don't even worry about getting fluste=
red.
>=20
> >
>=20
> >I am under 18 and I can not do college courses,=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> It certainly would have helped to understand your situation if you had
>=20
> mentioned that in your first article. People are not mind readers and in
>=20
> a medium like Usenet the only information you get is what the other
>=20
> person wrote.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> >so don't talk to me like one, but understand I have super limited option=
s!!!
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Inquire at your school. I cannot imagine that there is a school that
>=20
> doesn't offer programming classes. And if there really really is none
>=20
> then gather a few co-students with the same interest and found a
>=20
> programming group yourself. Heck, we founded our computer group over 30
>=20
> years ago in 10th grade using a TI-59. Only 2 years later the school
>=20
> finally bought the first Apple-II.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> jue
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Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:30:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dailey Kohtz <dailey.kohtz@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <d0602bdd-55c3-4bd9-b7eb-17d9e21d49fe@googlegroups.com>
On Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:42:34 PM UTC-7, Ben Morrow wrote:
> Quoth ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>:
>=20
> > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:04:50 AM UTC-4, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
>=20
> > > I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble=
.
>=20
> > I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Do you mean the second edition? (And, do you mean the Camel Book,
>=20
> 'Programming Perl'?) That's thoroughly out of date, and while it will be
>=20
> possible to learn basic Perl from that, you'd be better off getting a
>=20
> copy of the third or fourth edition.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> (For the record, I learnt Perl from the 3rd edition and the manpages,
>=20
> but then I already knew basic programming [no pun intended]. I learnt
>=20
> programming at the age of about 10 with a BBC Master 128 and The Usborne
>=20
> Book of Computer Programming, later supplemented with a proper Acorn
>=20
> manual (which explained about nifty constructions like DEFPROC which
>=20
> weren't in portable BASIC). I have never had any formal instruction, bar
>=20
> a single course on 'Automata and Formal Languages' I took at University,
>=20
> most of which I already knew from reading the Bison manual.)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> > There's plenty of good Perl in the standard distribution.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Hmm. There's also plenty of bad Perl, or, at least, Perl-4-era Perl.
>=20
> Many of the core modules are maintained on a 'don't touch it unless it
>=20
> breaks' basis, which is a pretty sound policy for important and
>=20
> well-tested code, but doesn't necessarily make for good examples to
>=20
> learn from.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ben
don't care, congrats on your successful childhood. I have learned good thin=
gs from the copy I have and I'm looking at forth adition. Thank you for the=
advise anyway. I am sorry for my rude posts. I'm glad ya hit me in the hea=
d, because I needed it. (just saying... still not quitting.)
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Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 12:49:09 +0100
From: Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com>
Subject: Re: Would anyone teach me perl?
Message-Id: <874ndjqsi2.fsf@sapphire.mobileactivedefense.com>
ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com> writes:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:04:50 AM UTC-4, Dailey Kohtz wrote:
>> I've practiced enough to do a helloworld program,but I've had trouble. I have the v5 and second adition O'Rielly.
>
> There's plenty of good Perl in the standard distribution. Read
> through it and figure out what each expression, statement, and
> function does.
I beg to differ here: Reading code is the worst idea I can presently
imagine for learning how to use a programming language except in very
rare cases (when the code was specifically written to teach something
to someone and the author happened to have a clue[*]). 'Read the
documentation and write code' is much better. This will likely end up
as (already 50,000 time re-implemented) general purpose library for
doing this, that or something else. Which is totally fine when the
purpose is to learn something (other than showing off on the
internet). The result will likely be useless but before one can move
to getting the complicated stuff wrong, one has to get the simple
stuff wrong first :-).
[*] Eg, I have a (meanwhile seriously dated) copy of Sedgewick's
"Algorithms in C" at home and while I consult the explanations whenever
I'm moving into an area where they're applicable, the code examples
are total crap because the guy not only didn't know the language very
well but had a couple of 'mathy' habits, such as restricting itself to
using single-letter variable names, which greatly impede understanding
(the opposite habit, UseFifteenCamelCasedWordsForEverything,
is as bad [no, IDE-autocompletion doesn't help. It won't
auto-complete the alphabetic tapeworm in the mind of a reader]).
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