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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Mon, 20 Aug 2012 Volume: 11 Number: 3763
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[OT] Re: still good extant newsgroups Re: Man, has this <kst-u@mib.org>
Re: magic installation woes [OT] <cal@example.invalid>
Re: Pause until external program exits with success? <cal@example.invalid>
still good extant newsgroups Re: Man, has this newsgrou <cal@example.invalid>
Re: using cpan effectively <cal@example.invalid>
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 03:06:00 -0700
From: Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Subject: [OT] Re: still good extant newsgroups Re: Man, has this newsgroup shrunk. Why? Where gone to?
Message-Id: <lnsjbhkhdj.fsf_-_@nuthaus.mib.org>
Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> writes:
[...]
> Curious how circumstances find me asking you a question again.
>
> It's been a lot of ticks on the real world clock since I did a lot with
> usenet, so I wonder, where are the good groups leftover? I think the
> pride of the pack is comp.lang.fortran , but that might just be another
> extension to you.
>
> My question is whether there's still that good windows group with a dash
> in it? lots of syllables.
(I would have replied by e-mail, since this isn't particularly
Perl-related, but you didn't provide a valid address. I'll be
brief.)
comp.lang.c and comp.std.c are far from dead, though the former is
still somewhat infested with trolls. comp.unix.programmer is also
doing reasonably well. I think the Windows group you're referring
to is comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32; I haven't visited lately.
There are likely others, but I can't read everything.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Will write code for food.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:31:34 -0600
From: Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: magic installation woes [OT]
Message-Id: <_LydnbE27MYrVqzNnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@supernews.com>
On 08/17/2012 05:04 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid> writes:
>> On 08/15/2012 01:17 AM, Mart van de Wege wrote:
>>> install ImageMagick
>>
>> [x-posted to alt.os.linux.ubuntu]
>>
>> I tried hard today but failed. I understand that people don't want to
>> see logs. I mean other people, usually the barkey ones. I don't find
>> it unpleasant to read a log.
>>
>> Q1) Can anybody who has Imagemagick.h in a place that does something
>> useful tell me where it is on his/her installation?
>
> First, have you considered to install the Ubuntu package for the
> module in question? This should take care of installing any
> depedencies automatically and you won't even need the build
> dependencies. The Debian package is called 'perlmagic', cf
Thanks for your reply, rainer; you are definitely rainer einer. I got
stung pretty hard on disambiguating the terms with Image, image magick
magic, and perl. perllib wasn't even hooked up correctly, which
surprised me, because I watched perl 5.14.2 get downloaded before my eyes.
One of the many things I've learned so far is what's supposed to go in
usr. I untarred files but can not yet say that that has ever done
anything good for me.
>
> ,----
> | [rw@sapphire]~ $sudo apt-cache search magick | grep perl
> | libgraphics-magick-perl - format-independent image processing - perl interface
> | perlmagick - Perl interface to the ImageMagick graphics routines
> | libchart-gnuplot-perl - module for generating two- and three-dimensional plots
> | libimage-size-perl - module for determining image sizes in several common formats
> `----
>
> It is generally a better idea to use software packaged by the
> distribution insofar available. You can spare yourself a lot of
> trouble if you don't use any 'upstream sources' directly except if you
> need specific features (or fixes) not yet available elsewhere or if
> you want or need to use them as base for independent developments (eg,
> the DBD::Pg I'm presenty using as been significantly changed by me
> because I needed working support for asychronous database interactions
> and more differentiated error handling than die("It failed!"), two
> things of no particular concern to the people who maintain the public
> version).
>
> Assuming you still want to install the CPAN-version, the easiest way
> to deal with its build depedencies is to use the packaged versions for
> these. Since you want to compile something which uses this library,
> the library package alone won't do, you'll need the so-called
> development package as well. Again using apt-cache to search for
> likely suspects yields
My real problem here was that I couldn't use my OS for system updates as
I had before. The look was completely different. I typed in
ImageMagick and got nothing. I'd be interesting from Mike Easter and
others how to put the best face on it, as he has experience explaining
to me how linux bugs are actually features.
>
> ,----
> | [rw@sapphire]~ $sudo apt-cache search magick | grep lib | grep -- -dev
> | graphicsmagick-libmagick-dev-compat - image processing librariesproviding ImageMagick interface
> | libgraphicsmagick++1-dev - format-independent image processing - C++ development files
> | libgraphicsmagick1-dev - format-independent image processing - C development files
> | libmagick++-dev - object-oriented C++ interface to ImageMagick - development files
> | libmagickcore-dev - low-level image manipulation library - development files
> | libmagickwand-dev - image manipulation library - development files
> | libvips-dev - image processing system good for very large images (dev)
> `----
>
> Since you were missing a library named MagickCore and a header of the
> same name, the candidate suggesting itself would be libmagickcore-dev.
> You can install that with
>
> apt-get install libmagickcore-dev
This is the thing I need to rely on.
>
> This will install a bunch of other stuff the package maintainer
> considered to be necessary for using this package (which might or
> might not be true) or thought you should really be using for whatever
> reason (aka 'avahi-daemon' ...) but unless you're seriously short of
> diskspace or want/ need to control every detail, that's not worth
> bothering with.
>
> I usually disable automatic installation of 'recommended other
> packages' because I grew tired of deinstalling the avahi- and
> dbus-daemons over and over again :->. This can be done by creating a
> file /etc/apt/apt.conf with the following content (or by adding it to
> an existing apt.conf file)
>
> APT {
> Install-Recommends "false";
> };
>
You lost me there at the end, but I'll assume that they were
qualifications to a more-learned crowd.
I think I've got more of it than I don't:
#!/usr/bin/perlfred@fred-desktop:~/Desktop/scripts$ perl im1.pl
Read...
Exception 435: unable to open image `model.gif': @
error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587 at im1.pl line 18.
Exception 435: unable to open image `smile.gif': @
error/blob.c/OpenBlob/2587 at im1.pl line 24.
Transform image...
Adaptive Blur...
Can't locate object method "Label" via package "Exception 410: no images
defined `Image::Magick' @ error/Magick.xs/XS_Image__Magick_Clone/2928"
(perhaps you forgot to load "Exception 410: no images defined
`Image::Magick' @ error/Magick.xs/XS_Image__Magick_Clone/2928"?) at
im1.pl line 35.
fred@fred-desktop:~/Desktop/scripts$
#
# Overall demo of the major PerlMagick methods.
#
use Image::Magick;
#
# Read model & smile image.
#
print "Read...\n";
$null=Image::Magick->new;
$null->Set(size=>'70x70');
Contention: because the first error is after logo.gif, then the use
statement worked.
I'm trying not to make superlong posts, so I'll sign out and leave the
source for im1.pl after the sig.
I'm bin durch diese Erfahrung begeistert worden.
--
Cal
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# Overall demo of the major PerlMagick methods.
#
use Image::Magick;
#
# Read model & smile image.
#
print "Read...\n";
$null=Image::Magick->new;
$null->Set(size=>'70x70');
$x=$null->ReadImage('NULL:black');
warn "$x" if "$x";
$model=Image::Magick->new();
$x=$model->ReadImage('model.gif');
warn "$x" if "$x";
$model->Label('Magick');
$model->Set(background=>'white');
$smile=Image::Magick->new;
$x=$smile->ReadImage('smile.gif');
warn "$x" if "$x";
$smile->Label('Smile');
$smile->Set(background=>'white');
#
# Create image stack.
#
print "Transform image...\n";
$images=Image::Magick->new();
print "Adaptive Blur...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Adaptive Blur');
$example->AdaptiveBlur('0x1');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Adaptive Resize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Adaptive Resize');
$example->AdaptiveResize('60%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Adaptive Sharpen...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Adaptive Sharpen');
$example->AdaptiveSharpen('0x1');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Adaptive Threshold...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Adaptive Threshold');
$example->AdaptiveThreshold('5x5+5%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Add Noise...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Add Noise');
$example->AddNoise("Laplacian");
push(@$images,$example);
print "Annotate...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Annotate');
$example->Annotate(text=>'Magick',geometry=>'+0+20',font=>'Generic.ttf',
fill=>'gold',gravity=>'North',pointsize=>14);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Auto-gamma...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Auto Gamma');
$example->AutoGamma();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Auto-level...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Auto Level');
$example->AutoLevel();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Blur...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Blur');
$example->Blur('0.0x1.0');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Border...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Border');
$example->Border(geometry=>'6x6',color=>'gold');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Channel...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Channel');
$example->Channel(channel=>'red');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Charcoal...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Charcoal');
$example->Charcoal('0x1');
push(@$images,$example);
print "ColorMatrix...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('ColorMatrix');
$example->ColorMatrix([1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0.5, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0,
0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1]);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Composite...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Composite');
$example->Composite(image=>$smile,compose=>'over',geometry=>'+35+65');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Contrast...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Contrast');
$example->Contrast();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Contrast Stretch...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Contrast Stretch');
$example->ContrastStretch('5%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Convolve...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Convolve');
$example->Convolve([1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1]);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Crop...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Crop');
$example->Crop(geometry=>'80x80+25+50');
$example->Set(page=>'0x0+0+0');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Despeckle...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Despeckle');
$example->Despeckle();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Distort...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Distort');
$example->Distort(method=>'arc',points=>[60],'virtual-pixel'=>'white');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Draw...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Draw');
$example->Draw(fill=>'none',stroke=>'gold',primitive=>'circle',
points=>'60,90 60,120',strokewidth=>2);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Detect Edges...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Detect Edges');
$example->Edge();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Emboss...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Emboss');
$example->Emboss('0x1');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Equalize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Equalize');
$example->Equalize();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Implode...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Explode');
$example->Implode(-1);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Flip...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Flip');
$example->Flip();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Flop...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Flop');
$example->Flop();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Frame...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Frame');
$example->Frame('15x15+3+3');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Fx...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Fx');
push(@$images,$example->Fx(expression=>'0.5*u'));
print "Gamma...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Gamma');
$example->Gamma(1.6);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Gaussian Blur...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Gaussian Blur');
$example->GaussianBlur('0.0x1.5');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Gradient...\n";
$gradient=Image::Magick->new;
$gradient->Set(size=>'130x194');
$x=$gradient->ReadImage('gradient:#20a0ff-#ffff00');
warn "$x" if "$x";
$gradient->Label('Gradient');
push(@$images,$gradient);
print "Grayscale...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Grayscale');
$example->Set(type=>'grayscale');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Implode...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Implode');
$example->Implode(0.5);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Level...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Level');
$example->Level('20%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Median Filter...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Median Filter');
$example->MedianFilter();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Modulate...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Modulate');
$example->Modulate(brightness=>110,saturation=>110,hue=>110);
push(@$images,$example);
$example=$model->Clone();
print "Monochrome...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Monochrome');
$example->Quantize(colorspace=>'gray',colors=>2,dither=>'false');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Morphology...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Morphology');
$example->Morphology(method=>'Dilate',kernel=>'Diamond',iterations=>3);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Motion Blur...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Motion Blur');
$example->MotionBlur('0x13+10-10');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Negate...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Negate');
$example->Negate();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Normalize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Normalize');
$example->Normalize();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Oil Paint...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Oil Paint');
$example->OilPaint();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Plasma...\n";
$plasma=Image::Magick->new;
$plasma->Set(size=>'130x194');
$x=$plasma->ReadImage('plasma:fractal');
warn "$x" if "$x";
$plasma->Label('Plasma');
push(@$images,$plasma);
print "Polaroid...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Polaroid');
$example->Polaroid(caption=>'Magick',rotate=>-5.0,gravity=>'center');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Quantize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Quantize');
$example->Quantize();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Radial Blur...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Radial Blur');
$example->RadialBlur(10);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Raise...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Raise');
$example->Raise('10x10');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Reduce Noise...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Reduce Noise');
$example->ReduceNoise();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Resize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Resize');
$example->Resize('60%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Roll...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Roll');
$example->Roll(geometry=>'+20+10');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Rotate...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Rotate');
$example->Rotate(45);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Sample...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Sample');
$example->Sample('60%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Scale...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Scale');
$example->Scale('60%');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Segment...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Segment');
$example->Segment();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Shade...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Shade');
$example->Shade(geometry=>'30x30',gray=>'true');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Sharpen...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Sharpen');
$example->Sharpen('0.0x1.0');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Shave...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Shave');
$example->Shave('10x10');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Shear...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Shear');
$example->Shear('-20x20');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Sketch...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Sketch');
$example->Set(colorspace=>'Gray');
$example->Sketch('0x20+120');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Sigmoidal Contrast...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Sigmoidal Contrast');
$example->SigmoidalContrast("3x50%");
push(@$images,$example);
print "Spread...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Spread');
$example->Spread();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Solarize...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Solarize');
$example->Solarize();
push(@$images,$example);
print "Swirl...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Swirl');
$example->Swirl(90);
push(@$images,$example);
print "Unsharp Mask...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Unsharp Mask');
$example->UnsharpMask('0.0x1.0');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Vignette...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Vignette');
$example->Vignette('0x20');
push(@$images,$example);
print "Wave...\n";
$example=$model->Clone();
$example->Label('Wave');
$example->Wave('25x150');
push(@$images,$example);
#
# Create image montage.
#
print "Montage...\n";
$montage=$images->Montage(geometry=>'128x160+8+4>',gravity=>'Center',
tile=>'5x+10+200',compose=>'over',background=>'#ffffff',
font=>'Generic.ttf',pointsize=>18,fill=>'#600',stroke=>'none',
shadow=>'true');
$logo=Image::Magick->new();
$logo->Read('logo:');
$logo->Zoom('40%');
$montage->Composite(image=>$logo,gravity=>'North');
print "Write...\n";
$montage->Set(matte=>'false');
$montage->Write('demo.jpg');
print "Display...\n";
$montage->Write('win:');
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Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 23:51:08 -0600
From: Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: Pause until external program exits with success?
Message-Id: <MLKdnT5LgqXRTazNnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@supernews.com>
On 08/16/2012 09:07 AM, J. Gleixner wrote:
> On 08/14/12 16:53, Cal Dershowitz wrote:
>> On 08/14/2012 01:35 PM, J. Gleixner wrote:
>>> On 08/14/12 13:53, Cal Dershowitz wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>
>>> Instead of hijacking a previous post, which doesn't have anything to
>>> do with your particular question, it would be better if you would
>>> post a new one with a pertinent subject and question.
>>
>> How is asking for the OP's source a "hijack." I don't want to start a
>> new thread with this, because it's not the most important thing I'm
>> working on now, and who died to leave you as Abigail van Buren to
>> c.l.p.misc?
>
> Whatever.. I'm trying to help you, before everyone starts filtering all
> of your posts because you continue to do this.
Juergen, ich habe mich bei Dir zu entchuldigen. Ich wollte nicht
glauben, dass ich so wiederum machem musste.
>
>>>
>>> BTW: ImageMagick (PerlMagick) can do this pretty easily.
>>
>> OP already posted that, so your response added ZERO new data to this
>> thread.
>
> And yours continues to lower your relevance.
Woran?
>
>
> My point is, What does your post asking how to resize images have to do
> with 'Pause until external program exits with success?'...
>
I couldn't say. Again, I apologize for not wanting to hear bad news and
making it seem like it was your problem.
--
Cal
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:28:13 -0600
From: Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid>
Subject: still good extant newsgroups Re: Man, has this newsgroup shrunk. Why? Where gone to?
Message-Id: <luidnWUC7opgRazNnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@supernews.com>
On 08/03/2012 12:45 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
{I'd snip it, but tja}
> "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> [...]
>> It would be much easier if either the Perl or Gnuplot programmers
>> created a version of Gnuplot that would link with Perl as a module. Then
>> simple "Plot" commands could be used directly from Perl. And there would
>> not be any timing problems.
>
> http://search.cpan.org/search?query=gnuplot&mode=all
>
>> Both languages are written using C++ code if I
>> remember correctly.
>
> Perl and Gnuplot are both implemented in C, not C++.
>
> (Note that Gnuplot is not related to the GNU project.)
>
Hi Keith,
Curious how circumstances find me asking you a question again.
It's been a lot of ticks on the real world clock since I did a lot with
usenet, so I wonder, where are the good groups leftover? I think the
pride of the pack is comp.lang.fortran , but that might just be another
extension to you.
My question is whether there's still that good windows group with a dash
in it? lots of syllables.
--
Cal
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 00:08:25 -0600
From: Cal Dershowitz <cal@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: using cpan effectively
Message-Id: <IaWdnZt3TvDFSazNnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@supernews.com>
On 08/18/2012 10:46 AM, Dänk 42Ø wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 23:15:08 -0600, Cal Dershowitz wrote:
>
>> I seem to have wiped out my previous perl install when updating ubuntu,
>> so I'm back to square one. I've installed cpan, Data::Dumper, YAML,
>> File::Slurp successfully, but hit a snag when installing Image::Magick.
>>
>> What does a person do when make install fails? The particular error
>> looks to be:
>>
>> [can only paste as quotation]
>>> CPAN.pm: Going to build J/JC/JCRISTY/PerlMagick-6.77.tar.gz
>>>
>>> Checking if your kit is complete...
>>> Looks good Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lMagickCore
>>
>> ...
>>> Magick.xs:60:31: fatal error: magick/MagickCore.h: No such file or
>>> directory compilation terminated.
>>
>> They give a help link at cpan, and I didn't see this issue there.
>>
>> Beyond this particular issue, what modules would you install and play
>> with a bit just to be familiar with them and have them?
>>
>> Thanks for your comment,
>
> I had the same problem, and I kind of forgot what I did, but I think I
> just installed ImageMagick via the apt repository (I'm assuming you are
> using Linux), and it installed the perl module.
>
> sudo apt-get install imagemagick
>
Danke, Daenk, das ist genau das, dessen ich bedarf.
Gruss aus Amiland.
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Cal
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