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Re: basic hash question <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: basic hash question <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: basic hash question <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: basic hash question <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Dereferencing the arrays of array references <smilesonisamal@gmail.com>
Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references <sreehari.chowdary@gmail.com>
Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references <nospam.gravitalsun@hotmail.com.nospam>
Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references <NoSpamPleaseButThisIsValid3@gmx.net>
Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: Error checking reads <peter@makholm.net>
Re: Error checking reads (Seymour J.)
Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this <m@rtij.nl.invlalid>
Multiline regex not matching (Seymour J.)
Re: ssh tunnel [OT} <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: ssh tunnel <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: ssh tunnel <kaz@kylheku.com>
Re: ssh tunnel <kaz@kylheku.com>
Re: ssh tunnel <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: ssh tunnel <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: ssh tunnel <nospam@lisse.NA>
Re: ssh tunnel (Seymour J.)
Re: ssh tunnel (Tim McDaniel)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:18:57 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: basic hash question
Message-Id: <9on23hFvmvU1@mid.individual.net>
Jim,
thank you very much, I think am getting the gist of it :-)-O
el
on 2012-01-27 12:57 Dr Eberhard Lisse said the following:
> Jim,
>
> This oes what I want, and I'll use the weekend to try and
> understand it :-)-O
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> el
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:43:12 -0800
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: basic hash question
Message-Id: <3cpci759dpkcpl46elghmvbnshh02de4un@4ax.com>
Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>thank you very much, I think am getting the gist of it :-)-O
Whatever "it" is meant to be. "it" certainly is not Usenet manners.
Please do not top-post. It is confusing, irritating, and very much
frowned upon.
jue
>on 2012-01-27 12:57 Dr Eberhard Lisse said the following:
>> Jim,
>>
>> This oes what I want, and I'll use the weekend to try and
>> understand it :-)-O
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> el
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:00:45 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: basic hash question
Message-Id: <4F26785D.8080706@lisse.NA>
Ok, next time I also full-quote.
el
on 2012-01-30 11:43 Jürgen Exner said the following:
> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> thank you very much, I think am getting the gist of it :-)-O
>
> Whatever "it" is meant to be. "it" certainly is not Usenet manners.
> Please do not top-post. It is confusing, irritating, and very much
> frowned upon.
>
> jue
>
>> on 2012-01-27 12:57 Dr Eberhard Lisse said the following:
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> This oes what I want, and I'll use the weekend to try and
>>> understand it :-)-O
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> el
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:45:37 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: basic hash question
Message-Id: <87k449rsn2.fsf@new.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "EL" == Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> writes:
EL> on 2012-01-30 11:43 Jürgen Exner said the following:
>> Whatever "it" is meant to be. "it" certainly is not Usenet
>> manners. Please do not top-post. It is confusing, irritating,
>> and very much frowned upon.
EL> Ok, next time I also full-quote. el
You just don't seem to get it.
You are here asking for help. It would behoove you to adhere to the
conventions of the forum in which you are asking for help. Not doing
so, and being such a pill about not doing so that the most knowledgeable
people get irritated enough to killfile you, means you are cutting
yourself off from the very help you seek.
And that "I can't, I'm using Emacs" excuse? Hey! So am I! And yet
somehow I manage not to top-post.
Charlton
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 03:12:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Pradeep Patra <smilesonisamal@gmail.com>
Subject: Dereferencing the arrays of array references
Message-Id: <4e42e3c8-d87b-4b75-9c46-adb3ec0ec120@p12g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
Hi,
I am tryting out a perl program and I am having issue in
dereferencing the arrays or arrayreferences.
I am referring to the "growing your own" from perldoc perllol.
Regards
Pradeep
my $array_refs;
my @array;
for ($i=0;$i < 3; $i++)
{
@array = func1($i)
push(@{$array_refs},\@array);
}
for my $s (@{$array_refs})
{
my $c = $s->func2(); # This function works on actual arrays
}
I am getting an error "cannot call func2() on unblessed reference".
When I tried with below it works but I am getting the last array
values(from for loop i <3 as above) which I dont want. I tried with
@@{$array_refs} but i am getting some error"Global symbol
@@{$array_refs} in package". Can anybody please help me to figure out
what i am doing wrong?
Works:
=====
for my $s (@array){
{
my $c = $s->func2();
}
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 04:33:45 -0800 (PST)
From: sreehari <sreehari.chowdary@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references
Message-Id: <ff6b7c7c-ea9d-47aa-848e-55d253cfcff7@s7g2000vby.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 29, 6:12=A0am, Pradeep Patra <smilesonisa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> =A0 I am tryting out a perl program and I am having issue in
> dereferencing the arrays or arrayreferences.
> I am referring to the "growing your own" from perldoc perllol.
>
> Regards
> Pradeep
>
> my $array_refs;
> my @array;
> for ($i=3D0;$i < 3; $i++)
> {
> =A0 =A0@array =3D func1($i)
> =A0 =A0push(@{$array_refs},\@array);
>
> }
>
> for my $s (@{$array_refs})
> {
> =A0 =A0my $c =3D $s->func2(); # This function works on actual arrays
>
> }
>
> I am getting an error "cannot call func2() on unblessed reference".
> When I tried with below it works but I am getting the last array
> values(from for loop i <3 as above) which I dont want. I tried with
> @@{$array_refs} but i am getting some error"Global symbol
> @@{$array_refs} in package". Can anybody please help me to figure out
> what i am doing wrong?
>
> Works:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> for my $s (@array){
> {
> =A0 =A0my $c =3D $s->func2();
>
>
>
> }
Hi,
What you are trying to do is calling a method on an array reference
which is wrong.
Assuming that your func1() returns an array of objects, then
for my $s (@{$array_refs})
{
for my $o (@$s) {
my $c =3D $o->func2();
}
}
If the func1() doesn't return an array of objects, then you can't call
methods on those
References in the first place.
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:19:45 +0200
From: George Mpouras <nospam.gravitalsun@hotmail.com.nospam>
Subject: Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references
Message-Id: <jg3h1h$1fqu$1@news.ntua.gr>
# I think this is what you want
sub func1 {"blue$_[0]","sky$_[0]"}
my $func2 = sub {"watch @{$_[0]}"};
my $array_refs;
for ($i=0;$i < 3; $i++)
{
my @array = func1($i);
push @{$array_refs}, \@array;
}
for my $s (@{$array_refs})
{
my $c = $func2->($s);
print "$c\n";
}
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:11:11 +0100
From: Wolf Behrenhoff <NoSpamPleaseButThisIsValid3@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references
Message-Id: <4f255380$0$6640$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net>
Am 29.01.2012 12:12, schrieb Pradeep Patra:
> Hi,
> I am tryting out a perl program and I am having issue in
> dereferencing the arrays or arrayreferences.
First question: why are you creating a reference to an array of arrayrefs?
> my $array_refs;
> my @array;
> for ($i=0;$i < 3; $i++)
> {
> @array = func1($i)
> push(@{$array_refs},\@array);
> }
I think $array_refs should better be @array_refs. First, it matches the
name better and also I don't see a point in using a reference here. In
addition, you don't need the @array outside of the loop. So keep it inside.
Code could be:
my @array_refs;
for my $i (0..2) {
my @array = func1($i);
push @array_refs, \@array;
}
or even better - no need to use a loop, make use of map:
my @array_refs = map [func1($_)], (0..2);
> for my $s (@{$array_refs})
> {
> my $c = $s->func2(); # This function works on actual arrays
Exactly. It is working on an array. The the array does not have a
function called "func2". Your objects in the array might have this
function. You need to loop over the array elements.
It is always good to provide minimal code which one can run, including
your func1 and func2.
So try this:
--------------------8<--------------------
package xxx;
sub new { bless {('name' => $_[1])}, $_[0]; }
sub func2 { $self=shift; print "Hi, I am func2 $self->{name}\n" }
package main;
sub func1 { return (xxx->new($_[0]), xxx->new($_[0] . ", version2")) }
my @array_refs = map [func1($_)], (0..2);
for my $arrayref (@array_refs) {
for my $element (@$arrayref) {
$element->func2();
}
}
--------------------8<--------------------
- Wolf
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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:14:44 +0000
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Dereferencing the arrays of array references
Message-Id: <4g0hv8-3re.ln1@anubis.morrow.me.uk>
Quoth Wolf Behrenhoff <NoSpamPleaseButThisIsValid3@gmx.net>:
> Am 29.01.2012 12:12, schrieb Pradeep Patra:
> > Hi,
> > I am tryting out a perl program and I am having issue in
> > dereferencing the arrays or arrayreferences.
<snip good stuff>
>
> > for my $s (@{$array_refs})
> > {
> > my $c = $s->func2(); # This function works on actual arrays
>
> Exactly. It is working on an array. The the array does not have a
> function called "func2". Your objects in the array might have this
> function. You need to loop over the array elements.
I suspect that Pradeep doesn't have any objects at all, but an ordinary
function which takes an array (or rather, a list). In that case what
s?he [1] wants is
for my $s (@array_refs) {
my $c = func2(@$s);
}
[1] Please excuse my ignorance: I'm afraid I don't know whether Pradeep
is a male or a female name.
> It is always good to provide minimal code which one can run, including
> your func1 and func2.
...in which case, there would have been no ambiguity :).
Ben
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:57:40 +0100
From: Peter Makholm <peter@makholm.net>
Subject: Re: Error checking reads
Message-Id: <87fwezwt7f.fsf@vps1.hacking.dk>
Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> writes:
> Dave Saville <dave@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I was taught to check *anything* that produced a return code.
>
>
> A rather obvious exception is the return value from print().
>
> Once you have a properly opened filehandle, about the only thing
> that can go wrong is "file system full", and if that happens, you
> won't need your little Perl program to tell you that something is
> wrong, because the whole 'puter will stop working. :-)
Except for filehandles you don't, such as a pipe or a socket.
Also the whole 'puter will not stop working just because you have filled
one of multiple filesystems. I have written a few batch processing
systems with seperate scratch space filesystems just for data.
//Makholm
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:56:52 -0500
From: Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid>
Subject: Re: Error checking reads
Message-Id: <4f24b574$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
In <slrnji84al.qai.tadmc@tadbox.sbcglobal.net>, on 01/28/2012
at 09:08 AM, Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> said:
>Once you have a properly opened filehandle, about the only thing that
>can go wrong is "file system full", and if that happens, you won't
>need your little Perl program to tell you that something is wrong,
>because the whole 'puter will stop working. :-)
Perhaps in windoze; certainly not on my machine.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:24:31 -0800
From: Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Subject: Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this
Message-Id: <vilain-AF1FF5.21243128012012@news.individual.net>
In article <877h0c6koc.fsf@lifelogs.com>,
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:02:04 +0000 Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@mssgmbh.com>
> wrote:
>
> RW> tmcd@panix.com (Tim McDaniel) writes:
>
> >> To me, the key figure is: how quickly and reliably can you accomplish
> >> your tasks? If you quickly find that someone has already done that
> >> SMTP protocol module, or image-manipulation package, or whatever, and
> >> it's publicly usable, then I think they deserve bonus points: they've
> >> saved hours or months of work and may well have got something more
> >> reliable and featureful than what they could have done on their own.
>
> Reason and logic do not work on Rainer, unfortunately. It's like
> talking to Eliza.
>
> RW> If you're convinced of that everybody who ever published some code
> RW> somewhere must have been more competent than you, as this seems to
> RW> suggest, this obviously implies that you have exactly no competence in
> RW> this area and consequently, your opinions on 'programming' don't
> RW> matter.
>
> Rainer, this is exactly the conversation we should be having. I'm so
> glad you've stopped beating the "undef" horse.
>
> Ted
The reason I'd use a CPAN module is the 'Hallmark programming' idea ("We
care enough to steal the very best."). If it's to get a job done, I see
no harm it using publicly available code. Here the result is something
that works, is maintainable, and fairly well documented (so you or
whomever don't have to go back 6 months later and wonder "What the hell
is going on here?")
If it's a programming challenge, that's different. The mental exercise
of figuring out the problem yourself (and seeing how others did it) is
the result of the exercise.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:41:38 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this
Message-Id: <87obtlrstp.fsf@new.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "TMcD" == Tim McDaniel <tmcd@panix.com> writes:
TMcD> To me, the key figure is: how quickly and reliably can you
TMcD> accomplish your tasks? If you quickly find that someone has
TMcD> already done that SMTP protocol module, or image-manipulation
TMcD> package, or whatever, and it's publicly usable, then I think
TMcD> they deserve bonus points: they've saved hours or months of
TMcD> work and may well have got something more reliable and
TMcD> featureful than what they could have done on their own.
Actually, what I find at this stage of my career is that my skill at
coding _de novo_ is less and less relevant. "Write a program to
compute all permutations of this string," as an interview problem, is as
pointless a waste of time as asking me why manhole covers are round.
Well, possibly not *as* pointless -- more than once I have interviewed
applicants for a position who could not handle the rudiments of
programming, and that question would definitely eliminate them. But
translating algorithms into code is the *beginning* of programming, not
the end -- just as programming is the *beginning* of professional
software development, not the end.
Charlton
--
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:32:00 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this
Message-Id: <87y5sprt9r.fsf@new.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "TZ" == Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
TZ> Charlton is a known plagiarist. He's been using other people's
TZ> modules in his code for YEARS. But, of course, among Perl
TZ> programmers this is hardly exceptional, they wrote CPAN so they
TZ> could steal credit more easily.
And I've been giving useless answers to stupid questions for even
longer!
Charlton
--
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cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:51:28 +0100
From: Martijn Lievaart <m@rtij.nl.invlalid>
Subject: Re: job cull; Warner Brothers; try this
Message-Id: <ge5jv8-rus.ln1@news.rtij.nl>
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:02:04 +0000, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> The people who posted the challenge
> presumably weren't interested in 'Charton Wilbers' 'rip free stuff off
> the internet' skills. Actually, I doubt anyone else was, either.
I *expect* an applicant to be able to reuse code where ever possible. I
would give Charlton extra points for his solution.
M4
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:38:48 -0500
From: Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid>
Subject: Multiline regex not matching
Message-Id: <4f26d5a8$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
I'm having a problem doing a regex match on a multi-line string. The
actual program[1] is rather large, but I've come up with a test case
that demonstrates the problem. I'm running on OS/2, which uses CRLF as
a line end.
#y $FWS = qr/ (?:[ \t]*\15?\12)? [ \t]+ /mx;
my $FWS = qr/ (?:[ \t]*\15?\n)? [ \t]+ /mx;
my $CFWS = qr/
(?: (?:$FWS+ $commentPat)+ $FWS?) |
$FWS
/mx;
my $testheader = <<'EOF';
from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by lincoln-at-leros.patriot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BBE55E73
for <marianne@patriot.net>; Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:23:59 -0500 (EST)
EOF
if ($testheader =~ /(\) $CFWS BY)/imx) {
print STDERR "\n\$testheader matched FWS\n";
print STDERR "\n";
print STDERR "\n\$PREMATCH =$`\n";
print STDERR "\n\$POSTMATCH=$'\n";
foreach (sort keys %+) {
print STDERR "\$+{$_}=$+{$_}\n";
}
print STDERR "\n";
} else {
print STDERR "\n\$testheader did not match FWS\n";
}
If you replace the regex with the one that's commented out, the
results are the same. I dumped $header in hex and the lines are
separated by LF ('0A'X) rather than CRLF ('0D0A'X), which is normal
for Perl. Does anybody see what I'm doing wrong? Thanks.
[1] Available offline on request; it's too big to post here.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:21:30 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel [OT}
Message-Id: <4F26530A.5070708@lisse.NA>
Shmuel,
I agree, but often the same as below happens, the editor used (I use
emacs and AlphaX) don't recognize the kk> for formatting purposes,
wiithout some intervention :-)-O
el
on 2012-01-29 05:05 Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz said the following:
> In <20120128110415.346@kylheku.com>, on 01/28/2012
> at 07:12 PM, Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> said:
>
>> In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet
>> newsgroups and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is
>> better suited for complex discussions with multiple points.
>
> The BBS world is the odd man out; there the convention is not a bare
> ">" but rather the initials of the poster, e.g.,
>
> kk> In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet kk>
> newsgroups and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is kk>
> better suited for complex discussions with multiple points.
>
> IMHO it's a better convention, especially with nested quotes.
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:53:18 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <4F24441E.2080104@lisse.NA>
Sorry, you didn't realize that you are unconcerned about appearing arrogant.
el
On 2012-01-27 16:50 , Tad McClellan wrote:
> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> And you can go and see Isak N. Jacobsen.
>>
>> el
>>
>>
>> on 2012-01-27 06:23 Tad McClellan said the following:
>>> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, that helps.
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps you do not realize it, but you appear to be rude.
>
>
> Sorry, I did not realize that you are unconcerned about appearing clueless.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:03:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <20120128110147.891@kylheku.com>
On 2012-01-27, Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
> Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>>> Perhaps you do not realize it, but you appear to be rude.
>
> Sorry, I did not realize that you are unconcerned about appearing clueless.
Yet, you fixed your top-posting in response to Dr. Lisse, so it was
not entirely in vain. :)
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:12:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <20120128110415.346@kylheku.com>
On 2012-01-27, Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> And you can go and see Isak N. Jacobsen.
Doc, it really is better if you trim the quoted material, break it up into
pieces that you want to respond to and reply below those pieces. Try it!
(This is why the > characters are there; to clearly distinguish
between your embedded pieces and the original text.)
It's not "rude" otherwise; it's just a different cultural convention. In the
corporate world of Mirosoft Exchange/Outlook e-mail communication, full quoting
and top-posting is the norm. (And note that > quoting is not used!)
In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups
and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is better suited for complex
discussions with multiple points.
The posting sotware you are using is already doing half the job of sticking to
the convention by inserting the > characters.
Cheers ...
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:37:13 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <slrnji8nik.r2k.tadmc@tadbox.sbcglobal.net>
Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
> Sorry, you didn't realize
^^^
^^^
You are apologizing for me?
That seems a bit presumptuous...
> On 2012-01-27 16:50 , Tad McClellan wrote:
>> Sorry, I did not realize
Here I apologized for me.
You apologize for you.
You are not priveleged to apologize for me.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:51:36 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <4F245FD8.7060603@lisse.NA>
I think you must get out more.
el
On 2012-01-28 22:37 , Tad McClellan wrote:
> Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>
>
>> Sorry, you didn't realize
> ^^^
> ^^^
>
> You are apologizing for me?
>
> That seems a bit presumptuous...
>
>
>> On 2012-01-27 16:50 , Tad McClellan wrote:
>
>>> Sorry, I did not realize
>
>
> Here I apologized for me.
>
>
>
> You apologize for you.
>
> You are not priveleged to apologize for me.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:56:14 +0200
From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <4F2460EE.2090006@lisse.NA>
Thank you very much for explaining this to me.
But you see, old habits die hard, been top-posting and full-quoting
now for 30 years or so, initially nn but TBird does this also very
well.
We are now hoever getting well off topic, and though I enjoy a
good flame as the next one I wasn't really trolling.
greetings, el
On 2012-01-28 21:12 , Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> On 2012-01-27, Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> wrote:
>> And you can go and see Isak N. Jacobsen.
>
> Doc, it really is better if you trim the quoted material, break it
> up into pieces that you want to respond to and reply below those
> pieces. Try it!
>
> (This is why the > characters are there; to clearly distinguish
> between your embedded pieces and the original text.)
>
> It's not "rude" otherwise; it's just a different cultural
> convention. In the corporate world of Mirosoft Exchange/Outlook
> e-mail communication, full quoting and top-posting is the norm.
> (And note that > quoting is not used!)
>
> In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet
> newsgroups and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is
> better suited for complex discussions with multiple points.
>
> The posting sotware you are using is already doing half the job of
> sticking to the convention by inserting the > characters.
>
> Cheers ...
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:05:06 -0500
From: Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid>
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <4f24b762$3$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
In <20120128110415.346@kylheku.com>, on 01/28/2012
at 07:12 PM, Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> said:
>In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet
>newsgroups and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is
>better suited for complex discussions with multiple points.
The BBS world is the odd man out; there the convention is not a bare
">" but rather the initials of the poster, e.g.,
kk> In the classic world of Internet e-mail, mailing lists, Usenet kk>
newsgroups and BBS's, we have > with in-between quoting. It is kk>
better suited for complex discussions with multiple points.
IMHO it's a better convention, especially with nested quotes.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:25:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: tmcd@panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Subject: Re: ssh tunnel
Message-Id: <jg6jpj$hn0$1@reader1.panix.com>
In article <4F2460EE.2090006@lisse.NA>,
>We are now hoever getting well off topic,
Meta-discussion is related to the topic.
>and though I enjoy a
>good flame as the next one I wasn't really trolling.
When multiple people tell you about group customs and explain why
they're practical, and you loudly refuse to follow and denigrate the
reasons: yes, you are indeed trolling. Luckily, my news reader has a
"killfile" that can filter by sender.
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