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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:09:07 -0800 (PST)
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Perl-Users Digest           Tue, 22 Nov 2011     Volume: 11 Number: 3549

Today's topics:
        compiling 5.14.2 on openbsd5.0 failing <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
    Re: compiling 5.14.2 on openbsd5.0 failing <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
    Re: Generating an anonymous reference to an OO method <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
    Re: Perl Humor <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@seesig.invalid
        Sorting hash of hashes <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
    Re: Sorting hash of hashes (Tony Mountifield)
    Re: Sorting hash of hashes <jimsgibson@gmail.com>
    Re: Sorting hash of hashes <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
    Re: will there or is there a www.prevayler.org in PERL? <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
    Re: will there or is there a www.prevayler.org in PERL? <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:56:40 -0800 (PST)
From: gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
Subject: compiling 5.14.2 on openbsd5.0 failing
Message-Id: <10246976.12.1321919800625.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prgt40>

wtf


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 22:49:25 -0800 (PST)
From: gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: compiling 5.14.2 on openbsd5.0 failing
Message-Id: <28431438.3.1321944565060.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prms22>

hmm it worked once I switched to -O from the default -O2 and picked threaded perl.

odd

cpanm and cpan-outdated rock


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:19:07 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: Generating an anonymous reference to an OO method
Message-Id: <slrnjckngu.v8.tadmc@tadbox.sbcglobal.net>

Miranda McKennitt <agquarx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, can I waive the copyright somehow? 


You are asking in the wrong place.

There is a newsgroup for discussing intellectual property issues:

    misc.int-property


-- 
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:05:03 -0800 (PST)
From: gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Humor
Message-Id: <5647563.312.1321920303874.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prlm15>

I love tranny porn.


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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 02:08:50 -0600
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.9 $)
Message-Id: <ANmdnVd2z9UPxVbTnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@giganews.com>

Outline
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      Social faux pas to avoid
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-- 
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email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
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I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:04:05 +0000
From: Justin C <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
Subject: Sorting hash of hashes
Message-Id: <5tcqp8-9cc.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>


I have a hash of hashes containing sales orders. The hash is structured
(as below) order number -> line number -> item info. The dump of the
data below is edited for brevity, there are at least half a dozen other
fields at the bottom level of the hash.

I'm trying to sort the orders by order number and then line number so
that I can output them in the order they have been received - how our
customer would expect to see them.

My first sort appears to work OK, but the second level of sorting fails.
I'm missing something simple here, I'm sure, can someone remind me
please?

   Justin.


Demo of how it doesn't work as I expect:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use YAML;

my $tmp;
while (<DATA>) {
	$tmp .= $_;
}
my $all_orders = Load($tmp);

for my $order (sort keys %$all_orders) {
	print "Order: ", $order, "\n";
	foreach my $line (sort { $all_orders->{$order}{$a} <=> $all_orders->{$order}{$b} }  keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {
		print "Line: ", $line, "\n";
	}
}



__DATA__
---
1107/02454:
  3859:
    stock_code: WP/AAM/VIKINGS
  3860:
    stock_code: GB/AAM/VIKINGS
  3872:
    stock_code: WP/BTL/SEAOFSC
  4356:
    stock_code: GB/IM/FINALFS
1108/02859:
  10:
    stock_code: WP/KIS/KISSARM
  17:
    stock_code: AK/AC/LOGORUB
  18:
    stock_code: ST/AC/OVALLOG
  73:
    stock_code: WP/PF/BLOCKWA
  76:
    stock_code: WP/PF/DARKSIO
  77:
    stock_code: WP/PF/DIVISIE
  90:
    stock_code: SP/TEST/LOGO
1109/03591:
  12:
    stock_code: WP/IM/LIVEAFT
  13:
    stock_code: GB/IM/FEAROFT
  14:
    stock_code: SB/IM/LOGOFIN
  20:
    stock_code: SP/MOT/ACEOFSP
  22:
    stock_code: WP/KIS/CREATUR
  24:
    stock_code: WP/KIS/FACESPU
  25:
    stock_code: WP/KIS/KISSARM
  38:
    stock_code: WP/ACOO/EYESBLA
  43:
    stock_code: WP/HHOR/TASTETH
  52:
    stock_code: ST/KIS/CREATUR
  57:
    stock_code: ST/KIS/DESTROY
  60:
    stock_code: ST/KIS/DYNASTY
  67:
    stock_code: SP/KIS/LOGOFAC
  69:
    stock_code: ST/KIS/LOVEGUN
1109/03609:
  415:
    stock_code: BA/SFLY/OMEN
  16:
    stock_code: LA/IM/FINALFR
  17:
    stock_code: LA/QUE/LOGOAND
  19:
    stock_code: ST/MOT/BORNTOL
  21:
    stock_code: ST/MOT/HAMMERE
  24:
    stock_code: LA/KIS/LOGO
  5:
    stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS
  55:
    stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS
  555:
    stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS




-- 
Justin C, by the sea.


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:16:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: tony@mountifield.org (Tony Mountifield)
Subject: Re: Sorting hash of hashes
Message-Id: <jae4h0$fvo$1@softins.clara.co.uk>

In article <5tcqp8-9cc.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>,
Justin C  <justin.1104@purestblue.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a hash of hashes containing sales orders. The hash is structured
> (as below) order number -> line number -> item info. The dump of the
> data below is edited for brevity, there are at least half a dozen other
> fields at the bottom level of the hash.
> 
> I'm trying to sort the orders by order number and then line number so
> that I can output them in the order they have been received - how our
> customer would expect to see them.
> 
> My first sort appears to work OK, but the second level of sorting fails.
> I'm missing something simple here, I'm sure, can someone remind me
> please?

Yes, you are sorting on what the second level points at, (HASH(0x12345678)),
rather than the indices themselves. Try this line instead:

foreach my $line (sort { $a <=> $b } keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {

Another neat thing you can do is to have this near the top of the program:

sub numerically { $a <=> $b }

and then do this:

foreach my $line (sort numerically keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {

Cheers
Tony

>    Justin.
> 
> 
> Demo of how it doesn't work as I expect:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use YAML;
> 
> my $tmp;
> while (<DATA>) {
> 	$tmp .= $_;
> }
> my $all_orders = Load($tmp);
> 
> for my $order (sort keys %$all_orders) {
> 	print "Order: ", $order, "\n";
> 	foreach my $line (sort { $all_orders->{$order}{$a} <=> $all_orders->{$order}{$b} }  keys
> %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {
> 		print "Line: ", $line, "\n";
> 	}
> }
> 
> 
> 
> __DATA__
> ---
> 1107/02454:
>   3859:
>     stock_code: WP/AAM/VIKINGS
>   3860:
>     stock_code: GB/AAM/VIKINGS
>   3872:
>     stock_code: WP/BTL/SEAOFSC
>   4356:
>     stock_code: GB/IM/FINALFS
> 1108/02859:
>   10:
>     stock_code: WP/KIS/KISSARM
>   17:
>     stock_code: AK/AC/LOGORUB
>   18:
>     stock_code: ST/AC/OVALLOG
>   73:
>     stock_code: WP/PF/BLOCKWA
>   76:
>     stock_code: WP/PF/DARKSIO
>   77:
>     stock_code: WP/PF/DIVISIE
>   90:
>     stock_code: SP/TEST/LOGO
> 1109/03591:
>   12:
>     stock_code: WP/IM/LIVEAFT
>   13:
>     stock_code: GB/IM/FEAROFT
>   14:
>     stock_code: SB/IM/LOGOFIN
>   20:
>     stock_code: SP/MOT/ACEOFSP
>   22:
>     stock_code: WP/KIS/CREATUR
>   24:
>     stock_code: WP/KIS/FACESPU
>   25:
>     stock_code: WP/KIS/KISSARM
>   38:
>     stock_code: WP/ACOO/EYESBLA
>   43:
>     stock_code: WP/HHOR/TASTETH
>   52:
>     stock_code: ST/KIS/CREATUR
>   57:
>     stock_code: ST/KIS/DESTROY
>   60:
>     stock_code: ST/KIS/DYNASTY
>   67:
>     stock_code: SP/KIS/LOGOFAC
>   69:
>     stock_code: ST/KIS/LOVEGUN
> 1109/03609:
>   415:
>     stock_code: BA/SFLY/OMEN
>   16:
>     stock_code: LA/IM/FINALFR
>   17:
>     stock_code: LA/QUE/LOGOAND
>   19:
>     stock_code: ST/MOT/BORNTOL
>   21:
>     stock_code: ST/MOT/HAMMERE
>   24:
>     stock_code: LA/KIS/LOGO
>   5:
>     stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS
>   55:
>     stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS
>   555:
>     stock_code: BA/FF/LOGOS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Justin C, by the sea.


-- 
Tony Mountifield
Work: tony@softins.co.uk - http://www.softins.co.uk
Play: tony@mountifield.org - http://tony.mountifield.org


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:43:51 -0800
From: Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sorting hash of hashes
Message-Id: <211120111043511788%jimsgibson@gmail.com>

In article <5tcqp8-9cc.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>, Justin C
<justin.1104@purestblue.com> wrote:

> I have a hash of hashes containing sales orders. The hash is structured
> (as below) order number -> line number -> item info. The dump of the
> data below is edited for brevity, there are at least half a dozen other
> fields at the bottom level of the hash.
> 
> I'm trying to sort the orders by order number and then line number so
> that I can output them in the order they have been received - how our
> customer would expect to see them.
> 
> My first sort appears to work OK, but the second level of sorting fails.
> I'm missing something simple here, I'm sure, can someone remind me
> please?

You are sorting on the /value/ of the second-level hash, not the /key/.
See below.

> Demo of how it doesn't work as I expect:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use YAML;
> 
> my $tmp;
> while (<DATA>) {
>   $tmp .= $_;
> }
> my $all_orders = Load($tmp);
> 
> for my $order (sort keys %$all_orders) {
>   print "Order: ", $order, "\n";
>   foreach my $line (sort { $all_orders->{$order}{$a} <=>
> $all_orders->{$order}{$b} }  keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {

    foreach my $line ( 
      sort { $a <=> $b } 
    ) keys %{$all_orders->{$order}} ) {

>     print "Line: ", $line, "\n";
>   }
> }
> 
> 
> 
> __DATA__

[data snipped]

-- 
Jim Gibson


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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:56:44 +0000
From: Justin C <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
Subject: Re: Sorting hash of hashes
Message-Id: <cobsp8-pgn.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>

On 2011-11-21, Tony Mountifield <tony@mountifield.org> wrote:
> In article <5tcqp8-9cc.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>,
> Justin C  <justin.1104@purestblue.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a hash of hashes containing sales orders. The hash is structured
>> (as below) order number -> line number -> item info. The dump of the
>> data below is edited for brevity, there are at least half a dozen other
>> fields at the bottom level of the hash.
>> 
>> I'm trying to sort the orders by order number and then line number so
>> that I can output them in the order they have been received - how our
>> customer would expect to see them.
>> 
>> My first sort appears to work OK, but the second level of sorting fails.
>> I'm missing something simple here, I'm sure, can someone remind me
>> please?
>
> Yes, you are sorting on what the second level points at, (HASH(0x12345678)),
> rather than the indices themselves. Try this line instead:

Of course I am! D'oh! Sometimes you just can't see it for looking.

Thank you, and also thanks to Jim, for pointing out the error of my
ways.

>
> foreach my $line (sort { $a <=> $b } keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {
>
> Another neat thing you can do is to have this near the top of the program:
>
> sub numerically { $a <=> $b }
>
> and then do this:
>
> foreach my $line (sort numerically keys %{$all_orders->{$order}}) {

I quite like this, it's not anything less to type, but if there's a
whole bunch of sorting to be done it's very clear from the outset what
you're doing.

   Justin.

-- 
Justin C, by the sea.


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Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:03:36 -0800 (PST)
From: gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: will there or is there a www.prevayler.org in PERL?
Message-Id: <13291052.13.1321920216775.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prgt40>

awesome eh? get rida oracle and microsoft!


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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:59:03 +0000
From: Justin C <justin.1104@purestblue.com>
Subject: Re: will there or is there a www.prevayler.org in PERL?
Message-Id: <nsbsp8-pgn.ln1@zem.masonsmusic.co.uk>

On 2011-11-22, gavino <gavcomedy@gmail.com> wrote:
> awesome eh? get rida oracle and microsoft!

CPAN IYF.

   Justin.

-- 
Justin C, by the sea.


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