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Perl-Users Digest Tue, 8 Mar 2011 Volume: 11 Number: 3311
Today's topics:
"getting" a website <Uno@example.invalid>
Re: "getting" a website <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: "getting" a website <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Re: contexts (Randal L. Schwartz)
Re: contexts <cartercc@gmail.com>
Re: efficiency of if ( my @a = /pattern/g ) { print "@a <jidanni@gmail.com>
Re: Hashes are good, but not good enough. <blgl@stacken.kth.se>
perl reg expression help. <rifazrazeek@gmail.com>
Re: perl reg expression help. <cartercc@gmail.com>
Re: perl reg expression help. <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:26:09 -0700
From: Uno <Uno@example.invalid>
Subject: "getting" a website
Message-Id: <8tletiFjriU1@mid.individual.net>
My family owns this website, and I serve as an agent in its behalf.
http://germanresistance.com/
I have the _Perl Cookbook_, but have never actually gone and taken
somebody's website before. I can assure you that the law is on my side
here, unless it isn't because Barack has pointy ears.
The guys I'm taking it from have to answer to the fbi and the local fuzz.
Looking for tips as I do this with or without you.
--
Uno
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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:34:41 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: "getting" a website
Message-Id: <slrninb1jt.js0.tadmc@tadbox.sbcglobal.net>
Uno <Uno@example.invalid> wrote:
> I have the _Perl Cookbook_, but have never actually gone and taken
> somebody's website before.
What do you mean when you say "take" a website?
> Looking for tips as I do this with or without you.
Tips on how to do what, exactly?
And how do expect to use Perl for whatever it is that you do mean to do?
Ask us a question about Perl, and we will answer it.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:50:07 -0800
From: Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net>
Subject: Re: "getting" a website
Message-Id: <vilain-9D5CD1.19500707032011@news.individual.net>
In article <8tletiFjriU1@mid.individual.net>, Uno <Uno@example.invalid>
wrote:
> My family owns this website, and I serve as an agent in its behalf.
>
> http://germanresistance.com/
>
> I have the _Perl Cookbook_, but have never actually gone and taken
> somebody's website before. I can assure you that the law is on my side
> here, unless it isn't because Barack has pointy ears.
>
> The guys I'm taking it from have to answer to the fbi and the local fuzz.
>
> Looking for tips as I do this with or without you.
If you don't have ftp access to the server's docroot, you'll only get
static html and image files. Since this is a Wordpress site, perl
programming will only help you capture the pages that the CMS constructs
and presents to a browser. I'd let the authorities do their job before
you muddy the waters of your case and make it that much harder to
prosecute the owners of the site. Start by contacting 1and1, the ISP
hosting the site.
Open your wallet wide.
--
DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 06:47:04 -0800
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: contexts
Message-Id: <86lj0pfz4n.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
>>>>> "Charlton" == Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net> writes:
Charlton> The core of the commentary is that flattening lists in Perl4
Charlton> was a bad decision because it makes hierarchical data
Charlton> structures difficult,
But it made sense since Perl4 didn't have hierarchical data structures!
That statement makes about as much sense as
"Perl4 didn't have elephant harnesses, so it made dealing with
elephants difficult."
Uh yeah. Not designed for that.
Charlton> that
Charlton> objects and references seem like a bolted-on solution to people who are
Charlton> accustomed to languages that are OO from the ground up,
Necessary to stay within backward compatibility. Perl6 makes a
different set of sins though.
Charlton> and that
Charlton> contexts baffle people who are unaccustomed to them.
And yet, you can pronounce "w i n d" as either the thing that blows or a
circular motion just fine given the *context* of the sentence. So,
you're clearly familiar with contextual clues. Perl just takes a *tiny*
advantage of that so that you don't have to give two different names to
string reverse() and list reverse(). (Yes, PHP, I'm looking at you.)
Charlton> Also, Perl has a
Charlton> lot of edge cases where what code should do is not apparent or
Charlton> intuitive.
Really? Name 3. 3 would be a subset of "a lot". But I bet you have a
strange meaning for "edge case".
It's taken me a while, but Perl doesn't surprise me, at all. I find it
*very* apparent and *very* intuitive, once you learn to think like a
Perl programmer.
I think you could legitimately say that Perl is *hard* for the *casual*
programmer. But it's not meant for the casual programmer. It's meant
for the professional programmer. If you're not hacking Perl at least an
hour a day, feel free to use something else.
Charlton> It's expressed in over-the-top hyperbole, but none of these
Charlton> are statements I could reasonably disagree with.
Not having read the original article, I won't go slashdotty here.
print "Just another Perl hacker,"; # the original
--
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:08:12 -0800 (PST)
From: ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: contexts
Message-Id: <465454a9-a590-490e-b7f4-3e6cdeb582c4@34g2000pru.googlegroups.com>
On Mar 4, 6:00=A0pm, K4 Monk <k4m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was reading a funny (and quite informative) article on computer
> languages (http://sites.google.com/site/steveyegge2/tour-de-babel)
I think Stevey's blog is a reasonable take on programming languages --
seen through his eyes and not technically precise, but certainly
within common experience.
Two comments of my own:
(1) Some languages survive in spite of their age, as FORTRAN, LISP,
and COBOL. They survive because they make viable tradeoffs between
utility, practicality, and tradition. Perl may fall into this category
in time to come, but that's okay. When talking to a computer, what we
say is a lot more important than how we say it, and talking to a
computer in the computing equivalent of Shakespearean English may get
the job done better and faster than current hip-hop.
(2) The 'new' things 'new' languages do also have value. Scala (for
example) strikes one at first as an ugly hack with an ugly mix of the
ancient and modern, but after a while it makes sense as a combination
that actually works. Erlang (my current favorite) kicks ass, as it
"makes hard things easy and easy things hard." PowerShell owes more
than a little to Perl and Lisp, and in fact may be the natural
offspring of the union of Perl and Lisp, sharing its parents' vices
and virtues.
There is no perfect language, but there is a semi-perfect 'mix' of
languages. I don't think there's any reason why a journeyman
programmer can't know two dozen languages, and use each of them for
the job they do best, the same as a journeyman carpenter or mechanic
knows how to use dozens of tools, each for a particular task.
CC.
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 04:56:56 -0800 (PST)
From: jidanni <jidanni@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: efficiency of if ( my @a = /pattern/g ) { print "@a\n" }
Message-Id: <409397fa-7dd9-4a91-ae4f-05e3abab90f8@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com>
OK thanks fellas. (I was doing my own homebrew scan of
http://code.google.com/apis/youtube/2.0/reference.html#youtube_data_api_tag_media:restriction
)
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:50:21 +0100
From: Bo Lindbergh <blgl@stacken.kth.se>
Subject: Re: Hashes are good, but not good enough.
Message-Id: <il420t$hdh$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In article <slrnim3gj3.ihm.nospam-abuse@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>,
Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> wrote:
> On 2011-02-19, Bo Lindbergh <blgl@stacken.kth.se> wrote:
> > The /usr/share/dict/words that comes with Mac OS X 10.6 has 234936 words
> > totalling 2251877 bytes (newlines excluded). A trie matching these
> > words (with a one-bit flag per vertex instead of end-of-word edges) has
> > 791089 vertices. An optimal DAWG based on this trie has 130892 vertices.
> > I don't know about you people, but I call a factor of six "significant
> > savings".
>
> This is an example of a completely useless stat. What is the URL for
> this list? Do you consider tries or folded tries (those with a
> string-per-node, not char-per-node)? 6x-difference in node count MAY
> be still trivial if node sizes differ.
http://www.stacken.kth.se/~blgl/triedawgfoldtest/
The provided program should give you more than enough useful information
to compare the sizes of various trie variations. Plus, you can feed its
output to Graphviz to make pretty diagrams! (Bring lots of paper if you
want to visualise an entire English dictionary.)
/Bo Lindbergh
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 03:16:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 <rifazrazeek@gmail.com>
Subject: perl reg expression help.
Message-Id: <52023f97-b1e3-464d-b7e6-196c661248c5@glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com>
Hi,
I am looking to compile a regular expression to meet the following req's if anybody hands on with perl can help
1. looking for string 'files' (in a given folder location) i.e. C:\program files\files or /home/files
2. string should match any case (upper/lower and mix)
3. string should occur at the end (whats leading is regardless)
4. if there are multiple occurences (i.e. program files\files) it should match the last one only
Many Thanks
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 06:12:35 -0800 (PST)
From: ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: perl reg expression help.
Message-Id: <c7649461-154a-434f-bf9f-1f047bc87a9b@k15g2000prk.googlegroups.com>
On Mar 8, 6:16=A0am, Master Chief Petty Officer John-117
> 1. looking for string 'files' (in a given folder location) i.e. C:\progra=
m files\files or /home/files
> 2. string should match any case (upper/lower and mix)
> 3. string should occur at the end (whats leading is regardless)
> 4. if there are multiple occurences (i.e. program files\files) it should =
match the last one only
Probably easiest to use grep. This command returns all instances of
"files" contained in any file in the current working directory:
grep files *
That should be enough to get you started. Look for 'case insensitive'
and 'word boundary' switches.
CC.
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 08:14:32 -0600
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: perl reg expression help.
Message-Id: <slrnince4l.sh4.tadmc@tadbox.sbcglobal.net>
Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 <rifazrazeek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am looking to compile a regular expression to meet the following req's
> if anybody hands on with perl can help
If you happen to be using an operating system that provides useful
tools, then you do not need regular expressions, nor even perl,
to meet all of your requirements:
find . -iname '*files'
> 1. looking for string 'files' (in a given folder location)
> i.e. C:\program files\files or /home/files
[ you meant e.g. (for example) rather than i.e. (that is)]
You are not looking for a string. You are looking (recursively)
for a filename.
Looks like you might not have the useful tool above...
> 2. string should match any case (upper/lower and mix)
> 3. string should occur at the end (whats leading is regardless)
> 4. if there are multiple occurences (i.e. program files\files)
> it should match the last one only
... so write one in Perl then.
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#!/usr/bin/perl
use warnings;
use strict;
use File::Find;
die "provide an argument\n" unless @ARGV;
find sub {print "$File::Find::name\n" if /$ARGV[0]$/i}, '.';
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--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:15:09 -0600
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.9 $)
Message-Id: <hZadndlARtsQeOjQnZ2dnUVZ5oadnZ2d@giganews.com>
Outline
Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Must
- Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
Really Really Should
- Lurk for a while before posting
- Search a Usenet archive
If You Like
- Check Other Resources
Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Is there a better place to ask your question?
- Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
- Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
- Use an effective followup style
- Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
- Ask perl to help you
- Do not re-type Perl code
- Provide enough information
- Do not provide too much information
- Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
Social faux pas to avoid
- Asking a Frequently Asked Question
- Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
- Asking for emailed answers
- Beware of saying "doesn't work"
- Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
Be extra cautious when you get upset
- Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
- Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
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indicating *in the body* that you are doing so.
Be extra cautious when you get upset
Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
This is recommended in all Usenet newsgroups. Here in clpmisc, most
flaming sub-threads are not about any feature of Perl at all! They
are most often for what was seen as a breach of netiquette. If you
have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
make such posts in the first place.
But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.
Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
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once it has been said.
AUTHOR
Tad McClellan and many others on the comp.lang.perl.misc newsgroup.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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