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[OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?! <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Re: [OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?! <peter@makholm.net>
Re: [OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?! <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: CGI Program Questions <derek.moody@clara.net>
Re: CGI Program Questions <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.invalid>
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:43:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Subject: [OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?!
Message-Id: <slrni3od9b.tp7.nospam-abuse@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
I'm starting a kid, kid writes something to TTY (which is explicitely
opened in the kid). The kid also writes something to a pipe open()ed
to a parent.
parent closes the pipe opened to the kid (opened via
open F, "@kid_cmd 2>&1 |"...
). My assumption is that at this moment, all the traces of kid
existence should disappear.
However, what I observe is that the kid's output to TTY is
interdispersed with output from the next kid, and is interdispersed
with output to TTY from the parent. (Parent does not open TTY, it
just writes to STDERR which happens to be TTY.)
It looks like the output of kid is somehow "stuck" in a TTY (and it
writes whole lines!) for some time after the kid terminates. (Doing
`sleep 1' in a parent IS a workaround...)
The system is
Linux foo 2.6.18-194.3.1.el5PAE #1 SMP Thu May 13 13:48:44 TZ 2010
i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
Is it expected somehow?
Thanks,
Ilya
P.S. Test script is available, but it is somewhat convoluted since I
was testing for some OTHER problems. ;-) :-(
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 11:50:51 +0200
From: Peter Makholm <peter@makholm.net>
Subject: Re: [OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?!
Message-Id: <87mxtvlngk.fsf@vps1.hacking.dk>
Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> writes:
> I'm starting a kid, kid writes something to TTY (which is explicitely
> opened in the kid). The kid also writes something to a pipe open()ed
> to a parent.
So the child process is doing something like
open my $fh, ">", "/dev/tty";
?
> parent closes the pipe opened to the kid (opened via
> open F, "@kid_cmd 2>&1 |"...
> ). My assumption is that at this moment, all the traces of kid
> existence should disappear.
I would not expect closing this file handle to have eny other effect
on the child than it's STDOUT would now point to a closed pipe, which
would mean that any attempt to write to STDOUT would result in a
SIGPIPE.
I would neither expect it to kill the child process or to have eny
effect on other file handles the child process might have opened.
> Is it expected somehow?
Yes, if you explicitly opens a filehandle to /dev/tty I believe this
is to be expected.
//Makholm
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:17:45 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT?] kid's output stuck in a TTY?!
Message-Id: <942ug7-rft1.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth Peter Makholm <peter@makholm.net>:
> Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org> writes:
>
> > I'm starting a kid, kid writes something to TTY (which is explicitely
> > opened in the kid). The kid also writes something to a pipe open()ed
> > to a parent.
>
> So the child process is doing something like
>
> open my $fh, ">", "/dev/tty";
>
> ?
>
> > parent closes the pipe opened to the kid (opened via
> > open F, "@kid_cmd 2>&1 |"...
> > ). My assumption is that at this moment, all the traces of kid
> > existence should disappear.
>
> I would not expect closing this file handle to have eny other effect
> on the child than it's STDOUT would now point to a closed pipe, which
> would mean that any attempt to write to STDOUT would result in a
> SIGPIPE.
>
> I would neither expect it to kill the child process or to have eny
> effect on other file handles the child process might have opened.
Closing a piped-open filehandle will wait for the child, so once close
has returned the child will have exitted. (This may of course take some
time if the child isn't killed by SIGPIPE.)
> > Is it expected somehow?
>
> Yes, if you explicitly opens a filehandle to /dev/tty I believe this
> is to be expected.
It's not what I see here, at least with a simple test. If I run
my $K;
unless (open $K, "-|") {
warn "kid: $$";
open my $T, ">", "/dev/tty";
print $T "one two three\n";
sleep 4;
print $T "four five six\n";
exit 22;
}
close $K;
warn +($?>>8) . ": seven eight nine";
I consistently get the parent waiting for the child to finish before
continuing. Ilya: can you try that code, to see if you see the same
behaviour?
Ben
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:54:35 +0100
From: "Derek.Moody" <derek.moody@clara.net>
Subject: Re: CGI Program Questions
Message-Id: <ant1314350b0BxcK@strongarm.half-baked-idea.co.uk>
In article <leKdndSMzbUGkaHRnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, E.D.G.
<URL:mailto:edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> application and did not have a program that could do that. It is almost an
> accident that I learned that this application is actually possible. And,
> it really isn't that complex.
The root of the problem inherent in this thread and many like it is that the
problem as stated was impossible whilst at the same time being almost
trivial if approached conventionally - as such it lit a lot of red lights
and then you appeared to ignore answers that contained everything you
needed to address the problem.
All you need is a mailbox, POP will do, and a simple script to address it
(rfc 1939) The rest is just processing the emails (rfc 2045) and filing.
Cheerio,
--
>> derek.moody@clara.net
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:38:14 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.invalid>
Subject: Re: CGI Program Questions
Message-Id: <VPadnW1SH_k2XaHRnZ2dnUVZ8iqdnZ2d@bt.com>
On 13/07/2010 07:50, E.D.G. wrote:
> "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:LOKdnXj21vE94KTRnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>> After consulting with various parties including the ones who are
>> running the Web server where I have a Web site it appears that not too
>> many people know how to answer these types of questions. So, back to
>> the Perl Newsgroup.
>>
>> Question: Can anyone recommend a specific Perl language program that
>> can be stored on a Web site where it will do the following?
Here you ask for a specific Perl program.
- A single program, Not a set of programs which together might
accomplish the task. There must be potentially many such sets.
- A Program written in Perl, not a binary program provided by your
web-hosting company.
>>
>> --- Accept an E-mail letter sent to some address at the Web site
E-mail addresses are not *at* a web site. What you probably mean is sent
to an e-mail address that has the same domain-name as that used for a
web-site. In many cases, perhaps most, the web-server for
www.example.com is not the same computer as the mail server for
someone@example.com. The name "example.com" is a domain name, it is not
a web-site name nor is it an e-mail address, though it is a *part* of both.
>> --- Extract attached files such as GIF picture files from the E-mail
>> letter
>> --- Store those picture files in some directory at the Web site
>
> It took some doing and numerous conversations. But it appears that this
> type of application is possible after all.
But not as stated in your question and subject-line.
This is the classic X-Y problem. You wish to solve X, you believe that Y
is the solution, you do not initially mention X but only ask how to
accomplish Y. There is much fruitless discussion of Y. Eventually X is
revealed and it emerges that Z is a solution to X.
I believe there is a more efficient way to approach problem-solving that
is more satisfying for all involved.
> The Web server where I have a Web site lets people install and run an
> E-mail forwarding program. I have already started using it.
>
> Somewhere in the forwarding program setup (if you know that that the
> option even exists) there is an option that lets Web site users "pipe"
> incoming E-mails to other programs at the site such as a Perl or PHP
> program. And those programs can then extract picture files etc. from the
> E-mail and store them in a directory at the Web site.
They are not CGI programs (see subject line).
The programs are not really "at the Web site", they are (probably)
located on the same server that hosts the web-site. The images are only
*at* the web-site if they are placed in a directory that the web-server
makes visible in some way.
Maybe some part of your unstated requirement is that you need some sort
of gallery or indexing program for the images?
Perhaps you also need some way of authenticating image contributors, or
at least vetting the images?
> So, now it is probably just a matter of developing that Perl or PHP
> program and then linking it with the input for a bulletin board program.
> And I expect that a Perl language bulletin board program might even be
> used as the receiver for the piped E-mails.
Unlikely as stated. However there will be a solution for the real objective.
> Before posting a note here I read all of the available Web server
> documentation and contacted the people running the Web server about
> this. And they told me that they didn't know anything about this type of
> application and did not have a program that could do that.
Maybe they thought you insisted on a Perl CGI program for some reason?
> It is almost
> an accident that I learned that this application is actually possible.
> And, it really isn't that complex.
I think "Possible" means bolting together existing components. It does
not mean there exists a single program or even a preconfigured set of
programs that already do what you want.
In your shoes, I'd work on a clear set of requirements, without too many
preconceptions about solutions. I'd then consider how to fund
professional project management and developer resources.
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:10:20 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: Control CAPSLOCK state?
Message-Id: <slrni3opds.q8e.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2010-07-12 10:24, tereza <tereza@majka.trw> wrote:
> How to control if CAPS LOCK key ON or OFF form Perl program?
Do you actually mean "control" or do you mean "check"?
hp
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 02:13:20 -0500
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.9 $)
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Outline
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I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.
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Date: 6 Apr 2001 21:33:47 GMT (Last modified)
From: Perl-Users-Request@ruby.oce.orst.edu (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
Subject: Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01)
Message-Id: <null>
Administrivia:
To submit articles to comp.lang.perl.announce, send your article to
clpa@perl.com.
Back issues are available via anonymous ftp from
ftp://cil-www.oce.orst.edu/pub/perl/old-digests.
#For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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