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Re: Leanest way to get at keyboard events ? <peter@www.pjb.com.au>
Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Re: print array with separator? <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl>
Re: print array with separator? <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: print array with separator? <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
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Re: print array with separator? <john@castleamber.com>
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Date: 26 Jan 2010 06:02:14 GMT
From: Peter Billam <peter@www.pjb.com.au>
Subject: Re: Leanest way to get at keyboard events ?
Message-Id: <slrnhlt1b7.3kp.peter@box8.pjb.com.au>
On 2010-01-22, Alan Curry <pacman@kosh.dhis.org> wrote:
> In article <slrnhlhubu.3mc.peter@box8.pjb.com.au>,
> Peter Billam <contact.html@www.pjb.com.au> wrote:
>>In a small command-line app, e.g. running in an xterm or a
>>linux console, I need to get at the keydown and keyup events.
>
> On a VC (i.e. /dev/tty1 through /dev/tty63) you can put the keyboard
> into raw (scancode) or medium-raw (keycode) mode with the KDSKBMODE
> ioctl. Seeconsole_ioctl(4). It shouldn't take much to make that
> work from perl. ... The xterm case will probably be harder.
It didn't take long to give up the idea of kbd-event-handling from
the command-line :-) I thought about doing it as CGI/JavaScript,
but ended up just making it a _monophonic_ keyboard and reading
bytes from STDIN. Now in its first production version ...
http://www.pjb.com.au/midi/index.html
http://www.pjb.com.au/midi/midikbd.html
Thanks for help, Regards, Peter
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Peter Billam www.pjb.com.au www.pjb.com.au/comp/contact.html
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:13:29 -0600
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.9 $)
Message-Id: <0YydnZQzk8K0OcPWnZ2dnUVZ_rqdnZ2d@giganews.com>
Outline
Before posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Must
- Check the Perl Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
- Check the other standard Perl docs (*.pod)
Really Really Should
- Lurk for a while before posting
- Search a Usenet archive
If You Like
- Check Other Resources
Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
Is there a better place to ask your question?
- Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
- Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
- Use an effective followup style
- Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
- Ask perl to help you
- Do not re-type Perl code
- Provide enough information
- Do not provide too much information
- Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
Social faux pas to avoid
- Asking a Frequently Asked Question
- Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
- Asking for emailed answers
- Beware of saying "doesn't work"
- Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
Be extra cautious when you get upset
- Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
- Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
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email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:38:16 +0100
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <4b5eb808$0$22918$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Peng Yu wrote:
> @array=("a", "b", "c");
1. "array" is the stupidest name for an array.
2. whitespace is cheap
0. use strict; use warnings;
my @word = qw/ a b c /;
my @word = "a" .. "c";
--
Ruud
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:44:54 +0100
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <slrnhltht7.o54.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2010-01-26 09:38, Dr.Ruud <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> Peng Yu wrote:
>> @array=("a", "b", "c");
>
> 1. "array" is the stupidest name for an array.
[...]
> my @word = qw/ a b c /;
The name of a variable should tell the reader something about its
content and/or purpose. So I would agree that @array is in almost all
cases a very stupid name, as it doesn't tell you anything except that
it's an array, and it does so redundantly ("@" and "array").
However, in this example, the only thing important is that is an array.
It isn't important what kind of data is in the array (except that the
elements are strings or can be stringified) or what the data is used
for. So @array is ok, because it tells you that this is "just an array".
@word, however, is a bad name. It conveys that the array contains
"words". This then causes the reader to wonder what a "word" is (an
English word? No, "b" and "c" are not English words. Some other natural
language? Maybe. Strings matching /^\w+$/? Maybe.) and whether the
example is still valid if an element contains data which is not a
"word".
So @stringifiable_data might be ideal but it's a bit long. @strings is
already a bit too narrow (is 1 a string? Is an object with an
overloaded "" operator a string?), in about the same sense that @array
is too wide. So I don't really see that one of @stringifiable_data,
@strings or @array is clearly better than the others.
hp
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:39:43 -0800
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <qf6ul5ppld7ilesndl0cifvnu8avhsoubu@4ax.com>
"Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>On 2010-01-26 09:38, Dr.Ruud <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> Peng Yu wrote:
>>> @array=("a", "b", "c");
>>
>> 1. "array" is the stupidest name for an array.
>[...]
>> my @word = qw/ a b c /;
>
>The name of a variable should tell the reader something about its
>content and/or purpose. So I would agree that @array is in almost all
>cases a very stupid name, as it doesn't tell you anything except that
>it's an array, and it does so redundantly ("@" and "array").
>
>However, in this example, the only thing important is that is an array.
>It isn't important what kind of data is in the array (except that the
>elements are strings or can be stringified) or what the data is used
>for. So @array is ok, because it tells you that this is "just an array".
Ack
>@word, however, is a bad name. It conveys that the array contains
>"words".
Actually it conveys that @word contains exactly one word, maybe split
into individual letters.
>This then causes the reader to wonder what a "word" is (an
>English word? No, "b" and "c" are not English words. Some other natural
>language? Maybe. Strings matching /^\w+$/? Maybe.) and whether the
>example is still valid if an element contains data which is not a
>"word".
If that would have been the intented meaning then @words would have been
preferable to @word.
jue
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:11:20 +0100
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <slrnhlu8hp.dek.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2010-01-26 16:39, Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>>On 2010-01-26 09:38, Dr.Ruud <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>> Peng Yu wrote:
>>>> @array=("a", "b", "c");
>>>
>>> 1. "array" is the stupidest name for an array.
>>[...]
>>> my @word = qw/ a b c /;
>>
>>The name of a variable should tell the reader something about its
>>content and/or purpose. So I would agree that @array is in almost all
>>cases a very stupid name, as it doesn't tell you anything except that
>>it's an array, and it does so redundantly ("@" and "array").
>>
>>However, in this example, the only thing important is that is an array.
>>It isn't important what kind of data is in the array (except that the
>>elements are strings or can be stringified) or what the data is used
>>for. So @array is ok, because it tells you that this is "just an array".
>
> Ack
>
>>@word, however, is a bad name. It conveys that the array contains
>>"words".
>
> Actually it conveys that @word contains exactly one word, maybe split
> into individual letters.
[...]
> If that would have been the intented meaning then @words would have been
> preferable to @word.
I, too, prefer using the plural for array names.
But there are valid arguments for using the singular:
* $word[5] reads more naturally as "word (number) 5" than $words[5].
* In Perl, singular/plural is expressed by the sigil, so
@word is already "several word(s)" and the English plural-s is
at best redundant and at worst harmful, because Perl doesn't
understand it (@words is *not* the array containing $word[0],
$word[1], ...).
So I consider that a matter of personal style and decided not to
complicate this discussion by bringing up the singular/plural debate.
I should have known that somebody else would ...
hp
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:01 +0100
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <4b5f328d$0$22917$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2010-01-26 16:39, Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-26 09:38, Dr.Ruud <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>> Peng Yu wrote:
>>>>> @array=("a", "b", "c");
>>>> 1. "array" is the stupidest name for an array.
>>> [...]
>>>> my @word = qw/ a b c /;
>>> The name of a variable should tell the reader something about its
>>> content and/or purpose. So I would agree that @array is in almost all
>>> cases a very stupid name, as it doesn't tell you anything except that
>>> it's an array, and it does so redundantly ("@" and "array").
>>>
>>> However, in this example, the only thing important is that is an array.
>>> It isn't important what kind of data is in the array (except that the
>>> elements are strings or can be stringified) or what the data is used
>>> for. So @array is ok, because it tells you that this is "just an array".
>> Ack
>>
>>> @word, however, is a bad name. It conveys that the array contains
>>> "words".
>> Actually it conveys that @word contains exactly one word, maybe split
>> into individual letters.
> [...]
>> If that would have been the intented meaning then @words would have been
>> preferable to @word.
>
> I, too, prefer using the plural for array names.
>
> But there are valid arguments for using the singular:
>
> * $word[5] reads more naturally as "word (number) 5" than $words[5].
>
> * In Perl, singular/plural is expressed by the sigil, so
> @word is already "several word(s)" and the English plural-s is
> at best redundant and at worst harmful, because Perl doesn't
> understand it (@words is *not* the array containing $word[0],
> $word[1], ...).
>
> So I consider that a matter of personal style and decided not to
> complicate this discussion by bringing up the singular/plural debate.
> I should have known that somebody else would ...
When calling it @word, I hoped for these comments.
:)
--
Ruud
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:29:19 -0600
From: John Bokma <john@castleamber.com>
Subject: Re: print array with separator?
Message-Id: <87bpggk9ds.fsf@castleamber.com>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com> writes:
>>>>>> "JB" == John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> writes:
>
> JB> I wouldn't use it though, but like Abigail, IIRC, once wrote, there is
> JB> no reason to have a problem with map in void context because we use
> JB> other functions in void context without problems (like print).
>
> the point with map in void context is not efficiency
It used to be, and back then, IMO there was a much stronger argument to
not use map in void context.
> but in conveying
> meaning to the reader. map is intended to generate a list, not execute
> side effects.
But who decides that map is not intended for its side effects? In Perl
there are IMO quite some constructs that are used in somewhat unexpected
ways, especially to people new to the language.
> for modifier does the same thing and is meant for side
> effects as it doesn't generate a list. perl has many related things like
> this and you should choose the one with better semantics for your
> intentions. map generates lists so use it that way. for modifier doesn't
> generate lists so use it for side effects.
Like I wrote, I don't like it, and won't use it. But the arguments
against using map in void context are more a matter of taste IMO. The
"its not intended for that" is weak at best, in my (current) opinion.
--
John Bokma j3b
Hacking & Hiking in Mexico - http://johnbokma.com/
http://castleamber.com/ - Perl & Python Development
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:52:26 -0800
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: What are the minimum and maximum float numbers and integers?
Message-Id: <6paul5p1288p40puinvl5p9s2fg42htdvo@4ax.com>
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:19:32 -0800 (PST), Peng Yu <pengyu.ut@gmail.com> wrote:
>Is there a way to get the minimum and maximum float numbers and
>integers?
Something like this should get you in the range.
-sln
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use strict;
use warnings;
my $exp = 10;
while (sprintf("%e", 10**$exp) !~ /inf/i) {
++$exp;
}
--$exp;
my $places = 6;
my $mant = 2 - .1; # Because 2 always overflows
while (sprintf("%e", $mant * 10**$exp) =~ /inf/i) {
$mant /= 1 + 10**(-$places);
}
printf ("UINT: %u\n", -1);
printf ("INT: +/- %d\n", sprintf ("%u", -1) / 2);
printf ("FLOAT: +/- %.".$places."e\n", $mant * 10**$exp);
__END__
UINT: 4294967295
INT: +/- 2147483647
FLOAT: +/- 1.797693e+308
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:38:14 +0100
From: "Jochen Lehmeier" <OJZGSRPBZVCX@spammotel.com>
Subject: Re: When to use "use strict;"?
Message-Id: <op.u64p50wtmk9oye@frodo>
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:34:46 +0100, Peng Yu <pengyu.ut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do I still need to add "use strict" to my perl program?
Yes.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:09:28 +0000
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: When to use "use strict;"?
Message-Id: <4b5ef798$0$2540$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>
Peng Yu wrote:
> I was told to always use "use strict;" in another thread in this
> newsgroup. However, I checked Programming Perl. It seems that "use
> strict" is not necessary for small program.
>
> In my case, each my perl script is less than 100 lines and would be
> reused anywhere else. Do I still need to add "use strict" to my perl
> program?
I always use strict (except in one-liners).
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:23:54 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: When to use "use strict;"?
Message-Id: <867hr4al7p.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "PY" == Peng Yu <pengyu.ut@gmail.com> writes:
PY> I was told to always use "use strict;" in another thread in this
PY> newsgroup. However, I checked Programming Perl. It seems that
PY> "use strict" is not necessary for small program.
If you need to ask, you aren't experienced enough to know when you don't
need it. And if you are experienced enough to know when you don't need
it, you've also been bitten by stupid bugs often enough to always use it
anyway.
Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cwilbur@chromatico.net
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