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Perl-Users Digest           Fri, 11 Dec 2009     Volume: 11 Number: 2716

Today's topics:
    Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string? <derykus@gmail.com>
    Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string? <uri@StemSystems.com>
    Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string? <derykus@gmail.com>
    Re: Best way to replace a set of strings in large files <info@cpi-service.com>
    Re: How big do your programs get before you modularise  <rburbrid@cisco.com>
    Re: How big do your programs get before you modularise  <cartercc@gmail.com>
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@seesig.invalid
        regex find  then replace - a cleaner approach? <john1949@yahoo.com>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:38:01 -0800 (PST)
From: "C.DeRykus" <derykus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string?
Message-Id: <11844cd6-a9ac-4323-8595-c4671aa970db@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 10, 1:18=A0pm, Ben Morrow <b...@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> Quoth Sir Robert Burbridge <rburb...@cisco.com>:
>
> > On 12/09/2009 07:52 PM, Ben Morrow wrote:
>
> > > Don't ever check for class membership with 'ref'. In fact, most uses =
of
> > > 'ref' except as a boolean are bugs. The correct way to check for clas=
s
> > > membership is to call the ->isa method; if you aren't sure something =
is
> > > an object, you can use Scalar::Util::blessed or wrap it in an eval {}=
 .
>
> > Out of curiosity, why "Don't ever check for class membership with
> > 'ref'"? =A0Do you mean, "... unless you want to exclude subclassed
> > objects", or is there some more dire problem with it that I don't see..=
 .
>
> Consider
>
> =A0 =A0 ref bless [], "HASH";
> =A0 =A0 ref bless [], "0";
>
> for why one of reftype or blessed from Scalar::Util is better, depending
> on what you meant.
> ...

Aren't 'ref' and 'blessed' equally confusing here...am I
missing something?

perl -wle "use Scalar::Util 'blessed';$o=3Dbless [],'HASH';
print blessed $o;print ref $o"

HASH
HASH

--
Charles DeRykus


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:58:35 -0500
From: "Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com>
Subject: Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string?
Message-Id: <87aaxqm4qc.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "CD" == C DeRykus <derykus@gmail.com> writes:

  CD> On Dec 10, 1:18 pm, Ben Morrow <b...@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
  >> Quoth Sir Robert Burbridge <rburb...@cisco.com>:
  >> 
  >> > On 12/09/2009 07:52 PM, Ben Morrow wrote:
  >> 
  >> > > Don't ever check for class membership with 'ref'. In fact, most uses of
  >> > > 'ref' except as a boolean are bugs. The correct way to check for class
  >> > > membership is to call the ->isa method; if you aren't sure something is
  >> > > an object, you can use Scalar::Util::blessed or wrap it in an eval {}.
  >> 
  >> > Out of curiosity, why "Don't ever check for class membership with
  >> > 'ref'"?  Do you mean, "... unless you want to exclude subclassed
  >> > objects", or is there some more dire problem with it that I don't see...
  >> 
  >> Consider
  >> 
  >>     ref bless [], "HASH";
  >>     ref bless [], "0";
  >> 
  >> for why one of reftype or blessed from Scalar::Util is better, depending
  >> on what you meant.
  >> ...

  CD> Aren't 'ref' and 'blessed' equally confusing here...am I
  CD> missing something?

  CD> perl -wle "use Scalar::Util 'blessed';$o=bless [],'HASH';
  CD> print blessed $o;print ref $o"

  CD> HASH
  CD> HASH

but you know what function you called and can interpret the results
accordingly. $o is blessed into 'HASH' and is also a HASH ref. nothing
confusing there to me. actually reftype would be a better call there as
ref is returning the class, not the type.

uri

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:24:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "C.DeRykus" <derykus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Any way to tell if a scalar is a string?
Message-Id: <a774ed09-506e-41b8-9bcf-32c9d6f9d48a@a10g2000pre.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 10, 9:58=A0pm, "Uri Guttman" <u...@StemSystems.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "CD" =3D=3D C DeRykus <dery...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> =A0 CD> On Dec 10, 1:18=A0pm, Ben Morrow <b...@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> =A0 >> Quoth Sir Robert Burbridge <rburb...@cisco.com>:
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> > On 12/09/2009 07:52 PM, Ben Morrow wrote:
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> > > Don't ever check for class membership with 'ref'. In fact, mos=
t uses of
> =A0 >> > > 'ref' except as a boolean are bugs. The correct way to check f=
or class
> =A0 >> > > membership is to call the ->isa method; if you aren't sure som=
ething is
> =A0 >> > > an object, you can use Scalar::Util::blessed or wrap it in an =
eval {}.
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> > Out of curiosity, why "Don't ever check for class membership wit=
h
> =A0 >> > 'ref'"? =A0Do you mean, "... unless you want to exclude subclass=
ed
> =A0 >> > objects", or is there some more dire problem with it that I don'=
t see...
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> Consider
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> =A0 =A0 ref bless [], "HASH";
> =A0 >> =A0 =A0 ref bless [], "0";
> =A0 >>
> =A0 >> for why one of reftype or blessed from Scalar::Util is better, dep=
ending
> =A0 >> on what you meant.
> =A0 >> ...
>
> =A0 CD> Aren't 'ref' and 'blessed' equally confusing here...am I
> =A0 CD> missing something?
>
> =A0 CD> perl -wle "use Scalar::Util 'blessed';$o=3Dbless [],'HASH';
> =A0 CD> print blessed $o;print ref $o"
>
> =A0 CD> HASH
> =A0 CD> HASH
>
> but you know what function you called and can interpret the results
> accordingly. $o is blessed into 'HASH' and is also a HASH ref. nothing
> confusing there to me. actually reftype would be a better call there as
> ref is returning the class, not the type.
>

Um, I was confused about the earlier recommendation not to use
ref as a generic check for class membership. And, IIUC, a 'ref'
might be returning a builtin type (or even in a very weird case
bless [], 'HASH' ->  a package that looks like a builtin type);
whereas, Scalar::Util's blessed reports only a package.


--
Charles DeRykus





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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:09:28 -0800 (PST)
From: cvhLE <info@cpi-service.com>
Subject: Re: Best way to replace a set of strings in large files?
Message-Id: <2205f620-e60d-4b48-a8fd-32d259080ce3@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 10, 3:21=A0pm, Ryan Chan <ryanchan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Consider the case:
>
> You have 200 lines of mapping to replace, in a csv format, e.g.
>
> apple,orange
> boy,girl
> ...
>
> You have a 500MB file, you want to replace all 200 lines of mapping,
> what would be the most efficient way to do it?
>
> Thanks.

If you want to replace the whole line or know the column where you
need to replace it and the line has clear separators you may be be a
lot faster if you do it using awk:

cat csv|awk -F"," "$2~/apple/ {$2=3D"orange"; print $1,$2} " ...

otherwise I don't see a reason not to use the most obvious way:
starting from line 1 and running until the end ... especially if dont
know *where* the 200 lines are ...

#! /usr/bin/perl -w
%replace=3D('apple'=3D>'orange','boy'=3D>'girl');
$r=3D"(".join ("|", keys %replace ).")";$r=3Dqr($r);
while (<>) {
s/$r/$replace{$1}/g;
print;
}




[08:07:43] cvh@lenny:~$ echo "a boy named sue sings a song for apple
jack" | perl repl.pl
a girl named sue sings a song for orange jack
[08:07:45] cvh@lenny:~$ echo "a boy named sue sings a song for apple
jack" > test.txt
[08:07:59] cvh@lenny:~$ perl repl.pl test.txt
a girl named sue sings a song for orange jack
[08:08:11] cvh@lenny:~$ perl repl.pl test.txt >test_replace.txt
[08:08:24] cvh@lenny:~$ cat test_replace.txt
a girl named sue sings a song for orange jack
[08:08:40] cvh@lenny:~$




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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:56:24 -0500
From: Sir Robert Burbridge <rburbrid@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: How big do your programs get before you modularise most of it?
Message-Id: <1260543356.134043@sj-nntpcache-2.cisco.com>

On 12/10/2009 10:55 PM, Xho Jingleheimerschmidt wrote:
> Sir Robert Burbridge wrote:
>>
>> That makes packaging it pretty trivial when it grows past that.
>> Sometimes putting a couple minutes of thought into it first shows me
>> that it should *start out* modularized.
>
> I actually find this rather rare. If I can come up with a modular design
> within a couple minutes, then almost certainly those modules have
> already been thought of and already exist on CPAN, and I should use
> those rather than writing my own. When a module doesn't already exist,
> I've found that dashing out to write one based on a few minutes of
> hubris and navel gazing is not the most propitious start.
>
>
> Xho

Apparently you don't have to deal with IT and getting new modules 
installed =)

-Sir



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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 07:56:32 -0800 (PST)
From: ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: How big do your programs get before you modularise most of it?
Message-Id: <f0296f21-31fb-44d7-89f4-3d95c7b2e0a5@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 10, 11:52=A0pm, J=FCrgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You don't need a program for that! That's just one SQL statement (which
> may take a few minutes to think about) and then an output to PDF if that
> is required.

JUE:

I think you missed my point. Yes, in many cases I can open the dataset
in Excel directly, save it as an Excel file, and be done with it.

My point was that you don't need to spend several hours thinking about
a script that only takes a few minutes to write. An electrician
doesn't need to draw a schematic to change a light fixture, and a
programmer doesn't need to generate UML diagrams for a simple script.

The other point which we haven't addressed is requirements. In my
case, I write a script to produce a report WITHOUT any requirements
specification. Over a period of time, we have requirements creep, in
dribbles and drabs. The 'easy' approach is to use the script that you
used last time and tack on a few lines to satisfy the new
requirements. Many of the largest (in LOCs) scripts I maintain started
off with a very simple request that got added to over the years. How
do you think and plan about specifications that you don't know exist?

I've had several graduate level course in OO programming, SwE, QA, and
the like, and have used my share of tools (Rational Rose, Eclipse,
Visual Studio, etc.) to generate very nice UML, and generate skeletal
code based on UML diagrams. If I were a professional programmer, I
would certainly use these tools to automate development. This isn't
what the OP asked.

I fully agree with you that planning is extremely important. As the
old saw goes, fifty percent of SW development is requirements
engineering, and the other fifty percent is testing and debugging. ;-)
However, the OP focused on the zero percent of SW development that
lies between specification and testing. Just because my experience is
different from yours doesn't mean that the lessons I have learned by
experience are wrong.

CC.


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 02:13:19 -0600
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.9 $)
Message-Id: <rrqdnXYW_peCYrzWnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@giganews.com>

Outline
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   Posting to comp.lang.perl.misc
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       - Question should be about Perl, not about the application area
      How to participate (post) in the clpmisc community
       - Carefully choose the contents of your Subject header
       - Use an effective followup style
       - Speak Perl rather than English, when possible
       - Ask perl to help you
       - Do not re-type Perl code
       - Provide enough information
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       - Do not post binaries, HTML, or MIME
      Social faux pas to avoid
       - Asking a Frequently Asked Question
       - Asking a question easily answered by a cursory doc search
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       - Beware of saying "doesn't work"
       - Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
      Be extra cautious when you get upset
       - Count to ten before composing a followup when you are upset
       - Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
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        have lurked for a bit, then you will know what is expected and won't
        make such posts in the first place.

        But if you get upset, wait a while before writing your followup. I
        recommend waiting at least 30 minutes.

    Count to ten after composing and before posting when you are upset
        After you have written your followup, wait *another* 30 minutes
        before committing yourself by posting it. You cannot take it back
        once it has been said.

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-- 
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.liamg\100cm.j.dat/"


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:42:18 -0000
From: "John" <john1949@yahoo.com>
Subject: regex find  then replace - a cleaner approach?
Message-Id: <hftp8n$l0h$1@news.albasani.net>

Hi

I have

if ($SIC =~m |20745|) {
       $SIC =~s |20745|567345|g;
       $sql="UPDATE $table SET SIC='$SIC' WHERE id='$id'"
}

It works, but there must be a cleaner way without having to repeat the 
'find' first and then the 'replace'.  The $sql line only takes effect if 
there is a successful match.

Regards
John







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