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Today's topics:
WhizBase vs. Perl <nurazije@gmail.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <someone@example.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl (Randal L. Schwartz)
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <nn@nn.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <smallpond@juno.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <nurazije@gmail.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <nurazije@gmail.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <Peter@PSDT.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: WhizBase vs. Perl <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: XML Parser <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com>
Subject: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <54b9a61b-8e54-427f-bc5a-a043c8c0487a@g19g2000yql.googlegroups.com>
Hi,
I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com) and PERL, can
anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
study about the differences.
Best regards,
Ashraf Gheith
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:10 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <4a488879$0$18238$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>
NurAzije wrote:
> Hi,
> I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com) and PERL, can
> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
> study about the differences.
One is a respected freely available general-purpose cross-platform
programming language with a large user-contributed library and a huge
established base of users and a name that isn't entirely silly.
The other isn't.
--
RGB
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 05:31:21 -0700
From: "John W. Krahn" <someone@example.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <tu22m.8122$3O.1921@newsfe25.iad>
RedGrittyBrick++
:-)
John
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:37:46 +0100
From: bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <-tqdnc8ewvwnTNXXnZ2dnUVZ8lVi4p2d@brightview.co.uk>
NurAzije wrote:
> Hi,
> I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com) and PERL, can
> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
> study about the differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whizbase
quote:
"Unlike other solutions mentioned, WhizBase is not a programming language"
That would be different from Perl then.
BugBear
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:50:28 -0700
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <8663efqekr.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
>>>>> "bugbear" == bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> writes:
bugbear> "Unlike other solutions mentioned, WhizBase is not a programming language"
bugbear> That would be different from Perl then.
Looks like WhizBase is closest to Template Toolkit, which while being
an application tool written in Perl, is deliberately crippled so that
you won't do much beyond templating.
print "Just another Perl hacker,"; # the original
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:38:43 +0200
From: ace <nn@nn.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <h2au7e$71u$1@ss408.t-com.hr>
RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
>> study about the differences.
>
> One is a respected freely available general-purpose cross-platform
> programming language with a large user-contributed library and a huge
> established base of users and a name that isn't entirely silly.
>
> The other isn't.
lol :)
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:02:24 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <4d82m.8862$3O.1169@newsfe25.iad>
NurAzije wrote:
> Hi,
> I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com)
Never heard of it, so that's probably a good indication of how it
compares.
> and PERL,
I've never heard of PERL either. Maybe you mean Perl?
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:33:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: smallpond <smallpond@juno.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <5d9e50f5-129e-4a33-830d-49809363e08e@d10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 29, 4:14=A0am, NurAzije <nuraz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com) =A0and PERL, can
> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
> study about the differences.
>
> Best regards,
> Ashraf Gheith
Biggest difference: Perl isn't promoted by trolling
multiple usenet groups wasting people's time asking
them to visit your website.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:17:36 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <87vdmewxhr.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "N" == NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com> writes:
N> I need a comparison between WhizBase (www.whizbase.com) and PERL, can
N> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
N> study about the differences.
as others have said, whizbase is a templating system and there are a
million of them. perl is a full programming language. do you want to
know the differences between apples and oranges too?
and if you want a perl based templater, i will plug mine,
Template::Simple on cpan. it probably does all the whizzy stuff you want
with less effort than whizzy.
uri
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <4b83f9e4-3fae-4bea-9918-696caca3cb3d@c36g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 29, 11:17=A0pm, Uri Guttman <u...@stemsystems.com> wrote:
> >>>>> "N" =3D=3D NurAzije =A0<nuraz...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> =A0 N> I need a comparison betweenWhizBase(www.whizbase.com) =A0and PERL,=
can
> =A0 N> anyone please provide me with some true comparisons? I am making a
> =A0 N> study about the differences.
>
> as others have said,whizbaseis a templating system and there are a
> million of them. perl is a full programming language. do you want to
> know the differences between apples and oranges too?
>
> and if you want a perl based templater, i will plug mine,
> Template::Simple on cpan. it probably does all the whizzy stuff you want
> with less effort than whizzy.
>
> uri
>
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Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
are very subjective, but I will use some of yours in my study, anyway
you helped me better than other groups.
I am not a spammer, I am making a study with more programming
languages with WhizBase, so please do not attack me with that.
Best regrads,
Ashraf Gheith
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:26:16 +0200
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <befj45dcmrjkcgqgkkggle862f2h7e1kur@4ax.com>
NurAzije wrote:
>Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
>are very subjective
Well, duh???????? What did you expect!
You're asking peopel to compare 2 uncomparable things, so of course,
it's only their preferences that come on top!
--
Bart.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <c362d801-988d-4488-886d-396872e1cc7c@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 30, 9:26=A0am, Bart Lateur <bart.lat...@pandora.be> wrote:
> NurAzije wrote:
> >Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
> >are very subjective
>
> Well, duh???????? What did you expect!
>
> You're asking peopel to compare 2 uncomparable things, so of course,
> it's only their preferences that come on top!
>
> --
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Bart.
I have expected some one to tell me the most common reasons why they
use Perl, and not WhizBase or for example another language. What Perl
has and other do not for example.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:58:51 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <87ab3pu8kk.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "N" == NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com> writes:
N> Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
N> are very subjective, but I will use some of yours in my study, anyway
N> you helped me better than other groups.
N> I am not a spammer, I am making a study with more programming
N> languages with WhizBase, so please do not attack me with that.
your question is subjective so how can you complain about subjective
answers? and as many of us said you are comparing apples and
oranges. you don't compare general purpose programming languages to
specialized odd little web tools.
uri
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:17:31 GMT
From: Peter Scott <Peter@PSDT.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <%7p2m.1412$Ei4.1331@newsfe13.iad>
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:12:22 -0700, NurAzije wrote:
> On Jun 30, 9:26Â am, Bart Lateur <bart.lat...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> NurAzije wrote:
>> >Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
>> >are very subjective
>>
>> Well, duh???????? What did you expect!
>>
>> You're asking peopel to compare 2 uncomparable things, so of course,
>> it's only their preferences that come on top!
>
> I have expected some one to tell me the most common reasons why they use
> Perl, and not WhizBase or for example another language. What Perl has
> and other do not for example.
Do you understand what "uncomparable" means?
Try this: I need a comparison between halibut and crude oil. Please
explain the differences and why you use one instead of the other.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:45:21 -0400
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <86vdmd93we.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "NA" == NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com> writes:
NA> I have expected some one to tell me the most common reasons why
NA> they use Perl, and not WhizBase or for example another
NA> language. What Perl has and other do not for example.
Perl is an open source fully featured programming language that runs on
the platforms I use. Thousands of people have contributed to CPAN,
which means that for any task I may want to use Perl for, I can go to
CPAN and find some starting points and possibly a full solution.
WhizBase is a proprietary hypertext processor, not even a full
programming language, that automates database queries. It runs only on
platforms I don't use -- no, actually, only on platforms I actively
avoid. It's proprietary and, so far as I can tell, not extensible, so
very few people have contributed to it. It's only useful for a limited
range of tasks; if I want to do anything more complex than its creators
have envisioned, I have to switch to another language anyway.
If you don't understand the difference between "open source" and
"proprietary," "programming language" and "hypertext processor," and
"CPAN" and "not extensible," I'm not sure anything anyone can say in
this newsgroup will make it clear to you why we don't use WhizBase.
One of Kernighan, Ritchie, and Thompson said that the sign of a good
tool is that it can be productively used for things that its creator
never imagined. Is that true of WhizBase?
Charlton
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:53:10 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <8763edu621.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "N" == NurAzije <nurazije@gmail.com> writes:
N> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Bart Lateur <bart.lat...@pandora.be> wrote:
>> Well, duh???????? What did you expect!
>>
>> You're asking peopel to compare 2 uncomparable things, so of course,
>> it's only their preferences that come on top!
N> I have expected some one to tell me the most common reasons why they
N> use Perl, and not WhizBase or for example another language. What Perl
N> has and other do not for example.
but you didn't ask about that. and what you did ask was a poor thing to
ask. if you check cpan perl is used for every possible thing as that is
what a general purpose language can do. perl is still used for many web
projects but that is a small fraction of its total use.
uri
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:04:03 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <U_6dnSCXZM8p8tfXnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@bt.com>
NurAzije wrote:
>>> Thank you for your reply all, it is very sad that a lot of the replies
>>> are very subjective
>
> I have expected some one to tell me the most common reasons why they
> use Perl, and not WhizBase or for example another language. What Perl
> has and other do not for example.
NurAzije is the author of the WhizBase page on Wikipedia, which is
mostly a direct copy from the WhizBase.com website.
NurAzije has posted this question to the newsgroups for Perl, PHP,
Python, Lisp, ASP.Net and Applescript. A URL for WhizBase is included
but not for PHP or the others.
In several postings NurAzije's signature was "Ashraf Gheith."
Ashraf Gheith and Faik Djikic (developer and owner of WhizBase) are the
only contributors of articles to a WhizBase blog at blogspot.
Ashraf Gheith suggested to W3Schools Forum that they cover WhizBase. He
and Faik Djikic have posted there a list of differences between PHP and
WhizBase.
I can't help feeling that someone isn't being entirely open and candid
about their relationship with Djikic Ltd.
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:59:27 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <87tz1xphe8.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "R" == RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo> writes:
R> Ashraf Gheith suggested to W3Schools Forum that they cover
R> WhizBase. He and Faik Djikic have posted there a list of differences
R> between PHP and WhizBase.
so why doesn't he troll php sites asking for differences between them
and whiz (which can mean to take a leak! :)? and why would you buy some
dumb commercial crap when you can get php crap for nothing!
R> I can't help feeling that someone isn't being entirely open and candid
R> about their relationship with Djikic Ltd.
yep!
uri
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:14:18 -0700
From: Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <aqbqh6x9rh.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
On 2009-06-30, Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "R" == RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo> writes:
>
> R> Ashraf Gheith suggested to W3Schools Forum that they cover
> R> WhizBase. He and Faik Djikic have posted there a list of differences
> R> between PHP and WhizBase.
>
> so why doesn't he troll php sites asking for differences between them
> and whiz (which can mean to take a leak! :)? and why would you buy some
> dumb commercial crap when you can get php crap for nothing!
He probably did. Perhaps none of those places outed him like RGB did.
(w3schools didn't, though to be fair Djikic did disclose his affiliation
with WB. ''Gheith'' didn't.)
--keith
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:36:23 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <slrnh4l85a.njc.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "R" == RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo> writes:
>
> R> Ashraf Gheith suggested to W3Schools Forum that they cover
> R> WhizBase. He and Faik Djikic have posted there a list of differences
> R> between PHP and WhizBase.
>
> so why doesn't he troll php sites asking for differences between them
> and whiz (which can mean to take a leak! :)?
He has:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_uauthors=nurazije%40gmail.com
PHP, along with Perl, Lisp, C, VB, C#, .NET, Haskell, ColdFusion, et. al.
So there's another difference.
Perl was not created by spammers, and take-a-whiz was created by spammmers.
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:46:16 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: WhizBase vs. Perl
Message-Id: <87bpo5nv3r.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "TJM" == Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> writes:
TJM> Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com> wrote:
>> so why doesn't he troll php sites asking for differences between them
>> and whiz (which can mean to take a leak! :)?
TJM> He has:
TJM> http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_uauthors=nurazije%40gmail.com
TJM> PHP, along with Perl, Lisp, C, VB, C#, .NET, Haskell, ColdFusion, et. al.
yow! what a luser! such an obvious troll with the same subject but a
diff lang name. doesn't bode well for their product either that they
can't even do that well.
uri
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:47:35 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: XML Parser
Message-Id: <slrnh4bqlo.vh1.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2009-06-25 03:20, taz <tazwin1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone, was wondering if someone might be able to point me in
> the right direction. I have been working on a project that involves
> reading XML files and taking some information from the file and
> inserting into a MySQL db. I am fairly new to processing XML. I am
> using xml simple to retrieve the needed information. I am getting all
> the information I need, but when I pull it out of the XML I am getting
> entities converted to their single characters (&) becomes &, etc.
> Is there a way to keep the entity or do I have to use something else
> to convert the string and have the characters into their proper format
> before I insert it into the db?
I am not sure why you would want to store strings with embedded entities
in a database, but you can simply reencode them before inserting them,
for example with escapeHTML from the CGI module or something like
$s =~ s/([&<>'"])/sprintf("&#%d;", ord($1))/eg;
hp
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