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[OT] Re: ampersand subroutine <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: ampersand subroutine <uri@StemSystems.com>
Re: ampersand subroutine <uri@StemSystems.com>
Re: ampersand subroutine <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: ampersand subroutine <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: ampersand subroutine <uri@StemSystems.com>
Re: ampersand subroutine <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: ampersand subroutine <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: ampersand subroutine <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: ampersand subroutine <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: Archive::Zip and correct extension (mixture of Word <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Re: double variable interpolation question <mvdwege_public@myrealbox.com>
Re: EasyNews and this Perl group <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: edit array in place <brandon@geronimoa11oys.invalid>
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:04:18 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: [OT] Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <Xns9C13ADA63505Casu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com> wrote in
news:874ovcc2m7.fsf@quad.sysarch.com:
> check out this for some horrible coding style. of course you will
> probably like it:
>
> http://search.cpan.org/~domizio/
Oh my.
I know it makes no difference to perl but I don't think I could get used
to this:
; my $exec = \&CGI::Builder::_::exec
; sub CGI::Builder::_::exec
{ my $s = shift
; my $h = shift
; Class::Util::gather { $s->$_(@_) } '&OH_'.$h
, $s->overrun_handler_map($h)
}
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:19:12 -0400
From: "Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <874ovcc2m7.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
>> comments may be wrong.
NK> Maybe, but irrelevant.
your views on what is irrelevent is what makes your comments
irrelevent. try to listen to what others who know more than you. but you
won't as you have to have your say.
>> As so often: coding style especially in the perl community varies a
>> lot.
NK> Indeed.
and some styles are inherently better than others. just because some
code like c or worse doesn't make it good perl. check out this for some
horrible coding style. of course you will probably like it:
http://search.cpan.org/~domizio/
uri
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:26:44 -0400
From: "Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <87zld4anp7.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
NK> Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
>>
NK> It's unfortunate that you'll have random lines of code that
>> could
NK> execute that you don't want, and your solution is to use exit.
>> Your NK> choice, doesn't affect me, so by all means, go ahead... I
>> just don't NK> agree (big deal).
>>
>> you don't have a solution.
NK> I do, we just disagree.
you can disagree and still be wrong. see creationists and ID types. or
cheney.
>> __END__ is not one.
NK> It can be, if you're worried about comments having code that will
NK> potentially run that you don't want to run.
comments having code??
>> keep barking and maybe
>> someone will pay attention to you.
NK> You're a dick, you always are a dick here to anyone that doesn't
NK> mindlessly agree with you.
nope. i amnot a dick. i am an uri. and i have no issue with reasonable
discourse. you see incapable of it because you never defend anything
with facts, logic or deep understanding of perl.
>> your perl skills don't warrant it.
NK> A true dick thing to say. My skills have nothing to do with
NK> disagreeing with you (oh God, AGAIN). Grow up.
EWWW!! i will switch to python now just because of that.
>> as for your not agreeing with me, i will file that into /dev/null
>> where it belongs.
NK> Yes, you've said that before, but you seem to enjoy being a dick
NK> and fighting with people. Learn to use your shift key while
NK> you're at it.
and learn to use the delete key.
>> yes, that is another insult.
NK> Yes, that's all you seem to do.
nope. i help people who help themselves. plenty of proof of that. i
don't tolerate fools and you keep proving yourself to be one.
NK> You seem to think more highly of yourself than you are deserving
NK> of. You just can't deal with the fact I don't put up with your
NK> bullshit. You're not that important to me, I've got to be honest.
NK> I'm just posting here, and you being an arrogant twat doesn't
NK> really mean dick.
you don't put up with much. like studying perl. but don't worry, i won't
ever have to try to place you in a perl job.
>> note that others don't.
NK> I guess that explains the literally thousands of archived posts of
NK> you being an arrogant prick to people any time that discuss
NK> something and don't agree with your stubborn methods. Who really
NK> cares? Get thicker skin, for God's sake!
my skin is as thick as it needs to be. you are the one who seems to be
prickly. but you won't detect that. too bad.
>> seems to me you are the cause.
NK> Yes, I'm aware you think everyone else but YOU have the attitude
NK> problem. I also realize that you're such a fucking prick that you
NK> can't help yourself and you could never accept that anyone but you
NK> could be right about anything, including their own feelings about
NK> a topic. In closing, I don't give a damn who you think you are
NK> and how you think you can treat people, you're a piece of shit in
NK> my opinion.
ooohh! cursing now. the last refuge of the incompetent.i have yet to
spew vulgar invective at you as you aren't worthy of such bile. simple
off-hand comments are plenty of trigger for you. try learning some more
perl soon. it may cure your attitude.
have fun!
and finally, exit() is the correct and inarguable solution to marking
the end of executable code in a top level perl script. let's start to
discuss explicit or implicit return values next!
uri
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:45:13 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <slrnh1e779.g2.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Uri Guttman <uri@StemSystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
> NK> Yes, I'm aware you think everyone else but YOU have the attitude
> NK> problem.
Huh, that's funny.
I'd thought the same of you (Nathan).
> NK> I also realize that you're such a fucking prick
> NK> In closing,
Promise?
> ooohh! cursing now. the last refuge of the incompetent.
Indeed.
> let's start to
> discuss explicit or implicit return values next!
What would be the point of that?
Even a fucking prick would know that explicit return values rock!
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:05:28 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <ZcGRl.64717$9w4.34914@newsfe08.iad>
Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
>
> NK> Uri Guttman wrote:
> >>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
> >>
> NK> It's unfortunate that you'll have random lines of code that
> >> could
> NK> execute that you don't want, and your solution is to use exit.
> >> Your NK> choice, doesn't affect me, so by all means, go ahead...
> >> I just don't NK> agree (big deal).
> >>
> >> you don't have a solution.
>
> NK> I do, we just disagree.
>
> you can disagree and still be wrong.
Of course, and YOU need to realize that as well! For once in your usenet
life.
> see creationists and ID types. or
> cheney.
Off topic banter.
> >> __END__ is not one.
>
> NK> It can be, if you're worried about comments having code that
> will NK> potentially run that you don't want to run.
>
> comments having code??
What you said, not what I said.
> >> keep barking and maybe
> >> someone will pay attention to you.
>
> NK> You're a dick, you always are a dick here to anyone that doesn't
> NK> mindlessly agree with you.
>
> nope. i amnot a dick.
Yes, you are.
> i am an uri (nal cake).
> and i have no issue with reasonable
> discourse.
I guess that explains why you snap at so many people with rude,
inconsiderate and arrogant attacks so often?
> you see incapable of it because you never defend anything
> with facts, logic or deep understanding of perl.
Actually, that's just what YOU *always* claim when you don't agree with
someone. You've once again provided nothing of substance to dispute
it.
> >> your perl skills don't warrant it.
>
> NK> A true dick thing to say. My skills have nothing to do with
> NK> disagreeing with you (oh God, AGAIN). Grow up.
>
> EWWW!! i will switch to python now just because of that.
I wish.
> >> as for your not agreeing with me, i will file that into /dev/null
> >> where it belongs.
>
> NK> Yes, you've said that before, but you seem to enjoy being a dick
> NK> and fighting with people. Learn to use your shift key while
> NK> you're at it.
>
> and learn to use the delete key.
Uh huh, you say such things, but you can't HELP yourself but to reply
and argue.
> >> yes, that is another insult.
>
> NK> Yes, that's all you seem to do.
>
> nope.
Yes, in fact.
> i help people who help themselves.
Irrelevant, I didn't ask for your help, and I don't need your help.
> plenty of proof of that.
You sometimes help people, only because it's self serving, but you're
also a dick to a lot of people without any reason. If you have a
reason, it's all fair game, but you rarely do... because you're a dick.
> i
> don't tolerate fools
How do you live with yourself?
> and you keep proving yourself to be one.
Not really, you just don't like me because I don't tolerate your shit,
so of course you'll make such claims.
> NK> You seem to think more highly of yourself than you are deserving
> NK> of. You just can't deal with the fact I don't put up with your
> NK> bullshit. You're not that important to me, I've got to be
> honest. NK> I'm just posting here, and you being an arrogant twat
> doesn't NK> really mean dick.
>
> you don't put up with much.
I put up with plenty, until some asshole like you shows a persistent
pattern of arrogance.
> like studying perl.
I'm sure you do, but that's irrelevant to your shitty attitude on this
group towards a lot of people.
> but don't worry,
Why would you worry? You think too highly of yourself to ever worry
about anything but how you think any discussion on usenet means you
have to win some fight with someone.
> i
> won't ever have to try to place you in a perl job.
You've said that before, which is just another pathetic means you try
and act like you're a big shot. In fact, you're a dick. Like I said
last time, I would never WANT you to place me in a job, I would NEVE
seek your help. Your attempts to act like you are a god here are
ridiculous and pathetic.
> >> note that others don't.
>
> NK> I guess that explains the literally thousands of archived posts
> of NK> you being an arrogant prick to people any time that discuss
> NK> something and don't agree with your stubborn methods. Who
> really
> NK> cares? Get thicker skin, for God's sake!
>
> my skin is as thick as it needs to be.
Apparently not.
> you are the one who seems to be
> prickly.
I suppose some arrogant fuck like you would believe that when someone
doesn't put up with their shitty attitude, that it's THAT person whom
has the problem. I'm simply reacting to the way you treat people. I
don't give a damn who you think you are, you're not even half the man
you wish you were.
> but you won't detect that. too bad.
Yes, it's too bad you don't own a mirror. At least I admit I can be
wrong, and I can be a jerk, but that's your entire existence. Don't
worry, I'm sure other long time members here will back you up and say
I'm the troll (like I care). To hell with any sarcastic, petty arrogant
prick that wants to jump on the bandwagon.
> >> seems to me you are the cause.
>
> NK> Yes, I'm aware you think everyone else but YOU have the attitude
> NK> problem. I also realize that you're such a fucking prick that
> you NK> can't help yourself and you could never accept that anyone
> but you NK> could be right about anything, including their own
> feelings about
> NK> a topic. In closing, I don't give a damn who you think you are
> NK> and how you think you can treat people, you're a piece of shit
> in NK> my opinion.
>
> ooohh! cursing now.
Yes, it's pretty scary.
> the last refuge of the incompetent.
Not really, since I'm just stating the facts that you are what you are.
You'll say anything to try and win your usenet fight.
> i have yet to
> spew vulgar invective at you as you aren't worthy of such bile.
Irrelevant. Unlike you, I don't base my opinions and claims of the
person you are on such trivial things of no consqeuence.
> simple
> off-hand comments are plenty of trigger for you.
You could easily be speaking of yourself there. I'm not emotional about
it, I'm just calling it how I see it.
> try learning some
> more perl soon.
Again, you act like you aren't being lowly, yet you will never pass up a
chance to try and insult someone. You have no idea what I do or do not
know, and I'm not the only one that disagreed with you (some of those
people are known to be people that are just as, or more experienced
than even the great uri(nal cake).
> it may cure your attitude.
My attitude has nothing to do with Perl, it has to do with your shitty
attitude.
> have fun!
You leave and we'll see what happens. Oh, that's never going to happen,
you think you run this group. You don't.
> and finally, exit() is the correct and inarguable solution to marking
> the end of executable code in a top level perl script.
It's perfectly fine, but it's not the most appropriate and your excuses
about WHY you use it, are pathetic (and yet you want to claim you're so
much more of an expert than anyone else).
> let's start to
> discuss explicit or implicit return values next!
No need.
> uri
nal cake.
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:19:42 -0400
From: "Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <87k548914h.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>> uri
NK> nal cake.
wow! high school attempts at humor. i am shocked! i say SHOCKED that you
went there. now begone with ye and get thee to python. they need
humorists like you since high school humor is a step up from where they
are.
in the mean time, keep your trap shut. you won't win as you have nothing
to stand on. but you will reply as you are commanded by the crazy voices
inside your skull. keep on listening to them. and i have outlasted
moronzillas and more. you aren't even a speck of sand on this perly
beach.
have fun being you!
and one more thing: exit( 'keel' ) ;
uri
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:24:47 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <4vGRl.75292$CN5.50048@newsfe23.iad>
Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
>
>
> >> comments may be wrong.
>
> NK> Maybe, but irrelevant.
>
> your views on what is irrelevent is what makes your comments
> irrelevent.
Spoken like a person suffering from truly biased and unearned arrogance.
> try to listen to what others who know more than you.
The problem here, is that you think you know more than everyone else,
even if you are wrong.
> but
> you won't as you have to have your say.
Are you speaking for yourself again? Because that completely applies to
you.
> >> As so often: coding style especially in the perl community varies
> >> a lot.
>
> NK> Indeed.
>
> and some styles are inherently better than others.
I agree.
> just because some
> code like c or worse doesn't make it good perl.
Of course not. I never said otherwise.
> check out this for
> some horrible coding style.
I need not look, I've already agreed. You just can't accept that your
style isn't agreed to be the best by everyone else. I even corrected
myself a few posts earlier in this thread when I saw that you
elaborated on. Instead of just acknowledging that I therefore agreed
in that aspect, you chose to insult. You enjoy egging people on, and
you're so damned arrogant that you would rather fight with someone than
to find common ground. Why? Because you think you're so much better
than everyone else.
> of course you will probably like it:
Oh, you're so funny. You should take that bit out on the road.
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:08:58 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <fvGRl.75293$CN5.47100@newsfe23.iad>
Tad J McClellan wrote:
> Uri Guttman <uri@StemSystems.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "NK" == Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> writes:
>
>> NK> Yes, I'm aware you think everyone else but YOU have the attitude
>> NK> problem.
>
>
> Huh, that's funny.
>
> I'd thought the same of you (Nathan).
Nothing funny about it. I have no problem with people thinking the same
as me, and I'm not the only one that thinks that about some members
here. It sucks when the regulars have the attitude like anyone that's
not a regular is the enemy and are the targets of insults. Besides, I
never denied I wouldn't give an attitude to someone that's being a
dick.
>
>> NK> I also realize that you're such a fucking prick
>
>> NK> In closing,
>
>
> Promise?
Well, I would, but then I wouldn't see your pretty (font) face.
>
>> ooohh! cursing now. the last refuge of the incompetent.
>
>
> Indeed.
Indeed you'll agree with "uri", since he's a long time member here, as
you are. Anyone doesn't put up with either of your guy's shit and
you're both foaming at the mouth ready to claim this and that about the
person. Why not consider WHY someone reacts the way they do and either
move on, take it with a grain of salt, or at least have the common
sense to understand why they copped an attitude in response. Anything
else is nothing more than arrogance.
>
>> let's start to
>> discuss explicit or implicit return values next!
>
>
> What would be the point of that?
I agree.
> Even a fucking prick would know that explicit return values rock!
Okay then...
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:29:45 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <Xns9C13C64F299EDasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com> wrote in
news:87k548914h.fsf@quad.sysarch.com:
>
> >> uri
>
> NK> nal cake.
>
> wow!
...
> and one more thing: exit( 'keel' ) ;
exit [ keel => pos ];
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:29:55 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: ampersand subroutine
Message-Id: <UzGRl.75294$CN5.66452@newsfe23.iad>
Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> >> uri
>
> NK> nal cake.
>
> wow! high school attempts at humor.
Sorry that I'm not an old butter jerk, like you. Wait, no I'm not! :-)
..snip...
> in the mean time, keep your trap shut.
Fuck you, you aren't my boss. I know that's difficult for you to
accept, but you don't control everyone and you're not always right.
Not that I care if you can't accept that, until you fight with me for
no good reason. You're just going to have to accept that I won't put up
with your attempts to bully me. You're a joke.
> you won't win as you have
> nothing to stand on.
Just saying such things out of arrogance doesn't make them true. I
believe the same about you. However, unlike you, I don't make claims
because I'm so arrogant that I can't stand to be wrong.
> but you will reply as you are commanded by the
> crazy voices inside your skull.
Is that what motivates you to respond? It's sure not why I do, so maybe
this puzzle is starting to fit together and I'm starting to understand
why you can't help yourself. Don't worry, I get it. If I reply, I
have a mental disorder, but you're free to reply and egg people on,
because you're immune to your own rules and sarasm. Yawn.
> keep on listening to them. and i have
> outlasted moronzillas and more. you aren't even a speck of sand on
> this perly beach.
Yes, yes, yes... I know you think you're special and anyone else is
insignificant. Thank God you have no actual power to do anything in
this world.
> have fun being you!
I do. You seem miserable though, which might explain your attitude.
> and one more thing: exit( 'keel' ) ;
Yawn.
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 00:17:43 +0200
From: Bart Lateur <bart.lateur@pandora.be>
Subject: Re: Archive::Zip and correct extension (mixture of Word and PowerPoint files)?
Message-Id: <e39e15p2egpcktio16o55o8b1qt4tpuqs5@4ax.com>
Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>Please read the whole thread before starting
>a discussion about a problem which is already solved.
It's solved the wrong way: butt first.
--
Bart.
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 22:13:00 +0200
From: Mart van de Wege <mvdwege_public@myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: double variable interpolation question
Message-Id: <86vdnsucab.fsf@gareth.avalon.lan>
ccc31807 <cartercc@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> There is a book on Catalyst that I've been thinking about
> buying. Would it be worth my time to buy it and read it? I work on web
> enabled apps fairly often.
If that is Jonathan Rockway's book, yeah it's worth it. Do keep the
perldoc close though, as there were some changes from Catalyst 5.7 to
5.8, and not some of Jonathan's advice is now considered deprecated
(like using BindLex).
Mart
--
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--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:56:18 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: EasyNews and this Perl group
Message-Id: <Xns9C13AC4ADBE0Casu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Vincent <vinnie_baddabing@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:gv6nnn0fll@drn.newsguy.com:
> I had problems with Easynews since January.
Now you have another problem.
Sinan
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Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:17:03 -0500
From: Brandon Metcalf <brandon@geronimoa11oys.invalid>
Subject: Re: edit array in place
Message-Id: <slrnh1e388.6il.brandon@cedar.geronimoalloys.com>
On 2009-05-22, Uri Guttman <uri@StemSystems.com> wrote:
...
> in map/grep/for (in fact anytime $_ is implied for looping), it is
> aliased to its value so you can modify $_ and it modifies the original
> value.
You know, this is quite obvious now and I've used this many, many
times. I guess my brain was locking up at the time.
--
Brandon
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#to almanac@ruby.oce.orst.edu with the command "send perl-users x.y",
#where x is the volume number and y is the issue number.
#For other requests pertaining to the digest, send mail to
#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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End of Perl-Users Digest V11 Issue 2436
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