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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 2423 Volume: 11
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Sun May 17 09:09:39 2009
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 06:09:05 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 17 May 2009 Volume: 11 Number: 2423
Today's topics:
Re: comma operator <frank@example.invalid>
Re: comma operator <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: comma operator <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: comma operator <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: comma operator sln@netherlands.com
Re: comma operator <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: FAQ 7.14 What is variable suicide and how can I pre <frank@example.invalid>
Re: FAQ 8.4 How do I print something out in color? <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Re: FAQ 8.4 How do I print something out in color? <ben@morrow.me.uk>
new CPAN modules on Sun May 17 2009 (Randal Schwartz)
Re: writing get_script as an external routine callable <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: writing get_script as an external routine callable <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 23:07:14 -0700
From: Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <z1zk0i2r2zm1$.1v8oo1z1txoha$.dlg@40tude.net>
In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of Uri Guttman Did Inscribe:
>>>>>> "R" == RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> writes:
>
> R> Franken Sense wrote:
[x-posted to clc]
> >>
> >> 100) A comma operator does not yield an lvalue.
> >>
> >> Is this also true in perl?
>
> C> perl -e "$x,$y = 42; print qq(x=$x, y=$y)"
> R> x=, y=42
>
> there is no lvalue in that first statement. comma binds lower than = so
> that was $x followed by $y = 42 which works. the problem is finding a
> way to have a comma operator which binds tighter than =. using parens
> won't work since that makes a list and it isn't a comma op anymore but a
> list element separator.
>
> and finally WTF is franken sense asking dumb sidebar questions and
> getting answers. he needs to focus on learning perl and not obscure side
> issues like comma ops and lvalues (i bet he doesn't even know what the term
> lvalue means)
>
> uri
Uri Guttman responded to a post that I clearly marked as a mispost with a
sentence that included the words "dumb fuck" and seems to think the problem
is that I get answers.
I learn what a comma operator is when I look into it, which is now. I'm
putting the finishing touches on a perl program that will stall now that
I've told your snippy, presumptuous self to consult the F standard.
I bet you don't know what F is. Tell you what, you change your modus
operandi and give me advice about code as opposed to advise about life, and
I'll move on.
Why doesn't this compile:
#!/usr/bin/perl
# perl bb8.pl
use warnings;
use strict;
my $filename3 = 'ot5.txt';
open(my $hh, '<', $filename3) or
die "cannot open $filename3 for reading: $!";
# open output file
my $filename2 = 'outfile16.txt';
open(my $gh, '>', $filename2) or
die "cannot open $filename2 for writing: $!";
my %Scripts;
my %comments;
local $/="";
while ( <$hh> )
{
my @s = split /\s+/, $_;
my $verse = $s[0];
my $counter = 0;
if ($s[0] =~ m/^\d/)
{
my $verse = $s[0];
my $script = join(' ', @s[1..$#s]);
$Scripts{$verse} = $script;
}
else
{
$counter++;
my $comment = join(' ', @s);
$comments($counter) = $comment;
print $_;
}
}
# close input and output files
close($hh) or die("Error closing $filename3: $!");
close($gh) or die("Error closing $filename2: $!");
C:\MinGW\source>perl bb8.pl
Global symbol "$comments" requires explicit package name at bb8.pl line 39.
syntax error at bb8.pl line 39, near "$comments("
Execution of bb8.pl aborted due to compilation errors.
C:\MinGW\source>
--
Frank
During the Reagan Administration, Bob Dole was present at a ceremony that
included each living ex-president. Looking at a tableau of Ford, Carter and
Nixon, Dole said, 'There they are: Hear No Evil, See No Evil and Evil.'
~~ Al Franken,
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:26:26 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <slrnh0v802.3u5.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote:
> In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of Lawrence Statton Did Inscribe:
>
>>> WTF
>
> For the record, it is uri, the person half my size and halfway around the
> world, who dropped the f-bomb, ungrammatically, first.
For the accurate record, Uri's F referred to "asking dumb sidebar questions"
while Franken's F and A referred to Uri.
One of them cursed an action while the other cursed a person.
i.e. one was ad hominem and one wasn't.
> Lawrence is the type of person to killfile a person with whom he has had no
> interaction.
I think your implication is that that it is bad somehow?
Killfiling someone you've had an argument with might be simply "sour grapes".
Killfiling someone you've had no interaction with is _more_ objective.
> Makes you wonder what his motive is,
No, it makes _you_ wonder.
It is fairly obvious to the rest of us.
His motive it to not waste time on foolishness.
> because it has nothing to do with me.
Right.
It does not have to do with you.
It has to do with your actions.
You have _earned_ your plonking.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:52:16 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <slrnh0v9gg.4fm.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote:
> Why doesn't this compile:
> my %comments;
> $comments($counter) = $comment;
Because you access a hash's value using {curly} brackets, not (parenthesis).
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:53:06 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <slrnh0v9i2.4fm.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote:
> Uri Guttman responded to a post that I clearly marked as a mispost with a
> sentence that included the words "dumb fuck"
What post included those words?
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:19:00 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <bhev055aqe9r7fkj7rugspfv21i7nbtjeo@4ax.com>
On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:44:16 -0700, Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote:
>In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of Lawrence Statton Did Inscribe:
>
>>> WTF
>
>For the record, it is uri, the person half my size and halfway around the
>world, who dropped the f-bomb, ungrammatically, first.
>
>Lawrence is the type of person to killfile a person with whom he has had no
>interaction.
>
>Makes you wonder what his motive is, because it has nothing to do with me.
Your an absoluted dick head. What are your motives?
Attention whore, thats what.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:12:49 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: comma operator
Message-Id: <Xns9C0E5395030D0asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote in
news:z1zk0i2r2zm1$.1v8oo1z1txoha$.dlg@40tude.net:
>> and finally WTF is franken sense asking dumb sidebar questions and
>> getting answers. he needs to focus on learning perl and not obscure
>> side issues like comma ops and lvalues (i bet he doesn't even know
>> what the term lvalue means)
...
> Uri Guttman responded to a post that I clearly marked as a mispost
> with a sentence that included the words "dumb fuck" and seems to think
> the problem is that I get answers.
You might want to make thedailywtf.com your daily reading.
Oh, and Uri never used the phrase "dumb f**k". You lied.
Bye bye.
Sinan
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Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:37:19 -0700
From: Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: FAQ 7.14 What is variable suicide and how can I prevent it?
Message-Id: <11zvaekxmkg4s.5psx2e5sz1vd$.dlg@40tude.net>
In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of brian d foy Did Inscribe:
> In article <573vd6-ro5.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>, Ben Morrow
> <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Quoth frank@example.invalid:
>>> In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of PerlFAQ Server Did Inscribe:
>>>
>>> > 7.14: What is variable suicide and how can I prevent it?
>>> >
>>> > This problem was fixed in perl 5.004_05, so preventing it means
>>> > upgrading your version of perl. ;)
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Does it bother perl to hit the same variable in a loop when scoped as my?
>
>> Perhaps this FAQ could be retired?
>
> I'll add it to the list of candidates for the old-FAQ home :)
So apparently, my dumb question motivated a positive response.
--
Frank
[G. W. Bush's] pro-air pollution Clear Skies Initiative is designed to
clear the skies of birds.
~~ Al Franken,
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:02:43 GMT
From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.4 How do I print something out in color?
Message-Id: <slrnh0vklj.vvp.nospam-abuse@chorin.math.berkeley.edu>
On 2009-05-17, Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> On Win32, the native console doesn't understand ANSI escapes, but
> you can use the Win32::Console::ANSI module to translate ANSI
> sequences into something it can understand. If you want your code to
> be portable to Win32 systems, you will need to include
>
> BEGIN {
> if ($^O eq "MSWin32" and -t STDOUT) {
> require Win32::Console::ANSI;
> }
> }
>
> or
>
> use if $^O eq "MSWin32" && -t STDOUT, "Win32::Console::ANSI";
>
> before C<use Term::ANSIColor;>.
??? Why not just make it part of Term::ANSIColor instead?
Puzzled,
Ilya
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:39:49 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: FAQ 8.4 How do I print something out in color?
Message-Id: <5k25e6-v7b2.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>:
> On 2009-05-17, Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > use if $^O eq "MSWin32" && -t STDOUT, "Win32::Console::ANSI";
> >
> > before C<use Term::ANSIColor;>.
>
> ??? Why not just make it part of Term::ANSIColor instead?
Don't ask me, I didn't write either of the modules involved :). I just
though that since there's an available solution, the FAQ could mention
it.
Ben
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 04:42:27 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Sun May 17 2009
Message-Id: <KJruEr.4yB@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.0516141813
http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.0516141813/
Do nothing.
----
Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.0516222530
http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.0516222530/
Do nothing.
----
Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.051623835
http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Acme-MirrorTracer-2009.051623835/
Do nothing.
----
Audio-Analyzer-0.20
http://search.cpan.org/~triddle/Audio-Analyzer-0.20/
----
AutoXS-Header-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/AutoXS-Header-0.06/
Container for the AutoXS header files
----
CLI-Dispatch-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~ishigaki/CLI-Dispatch-0.03/
simple CLI dispatcher
----
Catalyst-Controller-DBIC-API-1.003000
http://search.cpan.org/~lsaunders/Catalyst-Controller-DBIC-API-1.003000/
----
Catalyst-Controller-Resources-0.07
http://search.cpan.org/~masaki/Catalyst-Controller-Resources-0.07/
Catalyst Collection Resources Controller
----
Catalyst-Engine-Stomp-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~chrisa/Catalyst-Engine-Stomp-0.01/
write message handling apps with Catalyst.
----
Catalyst-Engine-Stomp-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~chrisa/Catalyst-Engine-Stomp-0.02/
write message handling apps with Catalyst.
----
Class-XSAccessor-1.00
http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/Class-XSAccessor-1.00/
Generate fast XS accessors without runtime compilation
----
Class-XSAccessor-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/Class-XSAccessor-1.01/
Generate fast XS accessors without runtime compilation
----
Class-XSAccessor-Array-1.00
http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/Class-XSAccessor-Array-1.00/
Generate fast XS accessors without runtime compilation
----
Class-XSAccessor-Array-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~smueller/Class-XSAccessor-Array-1.01/
Generate fast XS accessors without runtime compilation
----
DBIx-Class-Preview-1.000000
http://search.cpan.org/~lsaunders/DBIx-Class-Preview-1.000000/
----
DateTime-Format-Strptime-1.0901
http://search.cpan.org/~rickm/DateTime-Format-Strptime-1.0901/
Parse and format strp and strf time patterns
----
Devel-Optrace-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~gfuji/Devel-Optrace-0.02/
Traces opcodes which are running now
----
Devel-PartialDump-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Devel-PartialDump-0.08/
Partial dumping of data structures, optimized for argument printing.
----
Diff-LibXDiff-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Diff-LibXDiff-0.03/
Calculate a diff with LibXDiff (via XS)
----
Document-TriPart-0.021
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Document-TriPart-0.021/
Read, write & edit a tri-part document (preamble, YAML::Tiny header, and body)
----
ELF-Extract-Sections-0.0101
http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/ELF-Extract-Sections-0.0101/
Extract Raw Chunks of data from identifiable ELF Sections
----
ELF-Extract-Sections-0.0102
http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/ELF-Extract-Sections-0.0102/
Extract Raw Chunks of data from identifiable ELF Sections
----
Email-Stuff-2.09
http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Email-Stuff-2.09/
A more casual approach to creating and sending Email:: emails
----
File-AtomicWrite-0.94
http://search.cpan.org/~jmates/File-AtomicWrite-0.94/
writes files atomically via rename()
----
File-Class-0.0.1
http://search.cpan.org/~ivanwills/File-Class-0.0.1/
Simplifies handling of files in a portable way (Hopefully :-) )
----
Geometry-Primitive-0.14
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Geometry-Primitive-0.14/
Primitive Geometry Entities
----
Geometry-Primitive-0.15
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Geometry-Primitive-0.15/
Primitive Geometry Entities
----
Getopt-Chain-0.013
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Getopt-Chain-0.013/
Command-line processing like svn and git
----
Graph-PetriNet-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~drrho/Graph-PetriNet-0.01/
Perl extension for Petri Nets
----
Graphics-Primitive-0.42
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Graphics-Primitive-0.42/
Device and library agnostic graphic primitives
----
Graphics-Primitive-Driver-Cairo-0.38
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Graphics-Primitive-Driver-Cairo-0.38/
Cairo backend for Graphics::Primitive
----
HTML-SiteTear-1.43
http://search.cpan.org/~tkurita/HTML-SiteTear-1.43/
Make a separated copy of a part of the site
----
IPC-Open3-Utils-0.4
http://search.cpan.org/~dmuey/IPC-Open3-Utils-0.4/
Functions for facilitating some of the most common open3() uses
----
Layout-Manager-0.21
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Layout-Manager-0.21/
2D Layout Management
----
Layout-Manager-0.22
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Layout-Manager-0.22/
2D Layout Management
----
Layout-Manager-0.23
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Layout-Manager-0.23/
2D Layout Management
----
Layout-Manager-0.24
http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Layout-Manager-0.24/
2D Layout Management
----
Log-Deep-0.1.0
http://search.cpan.org/~ivanwills/Log-Deep-0.1.0/
Deep Logging of information about a script state
----
MoneyWorks-pm-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~sprout/MoneyWorks-pm-0.02/
----
MooseX-Has-Sugar-0.0200
http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/MooseX-Has-Sugar-0.0200/
Sugar Syntax for moose 'has' fields.
----
MooseX-Log-Log4perl-0.40
http://search.cpan.org/~lammel/MooseX-Log-Log4perl-0.40/
A Logging Role for Moose based on Log::Log4perl
----
Muldis-D-0.72.0
http://search.cpan.org/~duncand/Muldis-D-0.72.0/
Formal spec of Muldis D relational DBMS lang
----
Net-GitHub-0.15
http://search.cpan.org/~fayland/Net-GitHub-0.15/
Perl Interface for github.com
----
POSIX-strptime-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~gozer/POSIX-strptime-0.09/
Perl extension to the POSIX date parsing strptime(3) function
----
Parse-CPAN-Meta-1.38
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Parse-CPAN-Meta-1.38/
Parse META.yml and other similar CPAN metadata files
----
Parse-Dia-SQL-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~aff/Parse-Dia-SQL-0.09/
Convert Dia class diagrams into SQL.
----
Parse-Dia-SQL-0.10
http://search.cpan.org/~aff/Parse-Dia-SQL-0.10/
Convert Dia class diagrams into SQL.
----
SQL-Abstract-1.55
http://search.cpan.org/~ribasushi/SQL-Abstract-1.55/
Generate SQL from Perl data structures
----
Smoke-In-A-Box-0.01_01
http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/Smoke-In-A-Box-0.01_01/
----
Statistics-SocialNetworks-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~emorisse/Statistics-SocialNetworks-0.02/
----
Test-CleanNamespaces-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Test-CleanNamespaces-0.01/
Check for uncleaned imports
----
Text-CSV-1.12
http://search.cpan.org/~makamaka/Text-CSV-1.12/
comma-separated values manipulator (using XS or PurePerl)
----
Tie-Hash-ReadonlyStack-0.2
http://search.cpan.org/~dmuey/Tie-Hash-ReadonlyStack-0.2/
Treat multiple hashes as a single hash and do not modify original hashes when assigning values
----
TryCatch-1.001001
http://search.cpan.org/~ash/TryCatch-1.001001/
first class try catch semantics for Perl, without source filters.
----
WWW-HtmlUnit-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~awwaiid/WWW-HtmlUnit-0.05/
Inline::Java based wrapper of the HtmlUnit library
----
Win32-VisualStyles-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~robertmay/Win32-VisualStyles-0.01/
Apply Win32 Visual (aka XP) Styles to windows
----
YAML-Tiny-1.37
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/YAML-Tiny-1.37/
Read/Write YAML files with as little code as possible
----
YAML-Tiny-1.38
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/YAML-Tiny-1.38/
Read/Write YAML files with as little code as possible
----
cucumber-0.1
http://search.cpan.org/~steveha/cucumber-0.1/
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 00:31:18 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: writing get_script as an external routine callable by C
Message-Id: <slrnh0v896.3u5.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote:
> In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of Uri Guttman Did Inscribe:
>
>>>>>>> "FS" == Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> writes:
>>
>> FS> C:\MinGW\source>perldoc File::Slurp
>> FS> No documentation found for "File::Slurp".
>>
>> duh! you install it from cpan!
> I was looking for documentation.
The documentation is in the module, therefore you must install
the module before its documentation will be available on your machine.
If you just what to see the documentation without installing, then
you won't find it on your own machine, but you can find its docs on CPAN.
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email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:16:08 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: writing get_script as an external routine callable by C
Message-Id: <Xns9C0E5425198A1asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> wrote in
news:1vf8t7pu5gwtv$.5esq4gueffsa$.dlg@40tude.net:
> In Dread Ink, the Grave Hand of Uri Guttman Did Inscribe:
>
>>>>>>> "FS" == Franken Sense <frank@example.invalid> writes:
>>
>> FS> C:\MinGW\source>perldoc File::Slurp
>> FS> No documentation found for "File::Slurp".
>>
>> duh! you install it from cpan!
...
> I'm curious how you treat your clients.
You are not a client. But you are a little too dense to understand that
apparently.
Sinan
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#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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