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Perl-Users Digest, Issue: 2388 Volume: 11
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 3 May 2009 Volume: 11 Number: 2388
Today's topics:
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky sln@netherlands.com
EasyNews and this Perl group sln@netherlands.com
Re: EasyNews and this Perl group <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: learn about computer <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: learn about computer sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features? sln@netherlands.com
Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message bodie sln@netherlands.com
Re: Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message b <nat.k@gm.ml>
Re: Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message b sln@netherlands.com
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:41:11 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <2b0sv4tvnp8hskgsqa37jvhlkm44kqi7oa@4ax.com>
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:41:24 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <eb0sv4p30ui9311nc1c6l338iigisobchb@4ax.com>
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:41:35 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <pb0sv4prrjmuep7col380n7r7i1k7pvslv@4ax.com>
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:42:36 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <3d0sv41ifils22f94kn27p0u9ri1eplk09@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 12:00:31 +0100, Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> wrote:
>Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>> <html>
>> <head>
>
>Please try not to post HTML encoded messages.
>
>
>Rui Maciel
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
And so do you
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:44:06 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <fg0sv41140vihvc65nubujp72erlilrmai@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 10:20:09 -0700, Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>> <html>
>>> <head>
>>
>>Please try not to post HTML encoded messages.
>
>Oh, I had no idea Mr. DeFaria is still around. You must be new because
>everyone else has plonked him a loooooong time ago.
>
>jue
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:44:19 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: "Perl has been pretty much forgotten" says Spolsky
Message-Id: <tg0sv41ul7971jlm5p2jj202lh392f7j0t@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:01:57 -0400, Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "RM" == Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> writes:
>
> RM> Andrew DeFaria wrote:
> >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> >> <html> <head>
>
> RM> Please try not to post HTML encoded messages.
>
>We've had this dust-up with Mr. DeFaria before. You're better off just
>plonking him.
>
>Charlton
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:25:06 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: EasyNews and this Perl group
Message-Id: <fp2sv4tbmb9bthvjs4t1pabf3f1p2n4pkl@4ax.com>
Lets see if this one gets through.
-sln
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So let me get this straight.
I originate a post to/on EasyNews servers, it gets posted to Usenet but doesen't
hit your YOUR server for 30 minutes?
Thats not even possible. This is a some other problem.
I'm very unhappy with your service. I am looking into a different provider.
----- Original Message -----
From: Support via RT
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Ticket #825385] '[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]'
Hello,
Posts normally take in the order of 30 minutes to appear on our servers,
though they do make it out to Usenet sooner than this. We have plans to
implement a posting-oriented server for people who value speed, but at
the moment, posts simply take a bit to appear. Please let us know if you
have any questions or concerns.
Easynews Support Team
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:03:24 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: EasyNews and this Perl group
Message-Id: <MwoLl.12062$Jc3.9422@newsfe16.iad>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> Lets see if this one gets through.
> -sln
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> So let me get this straight.
>
> I originate a post to/on EasyNews servers, it gets posted to Usenet
> but doesen't hit your YOUR server for 30 minutes?
>
> Thats not even possible. This is a some other problem.
>
> I'm very unhappy with your service. I am looking into a different
> provider.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Support via RT
> To:
Hey weirdo, you know this group isn't your news service provider, right?
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:00:51 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: learn about computer
Message-Id: <nuoLl.12042$Jc3.6925@newsfe16.iad>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> On Sat, 2 May 2009 22:20:31 -0700 (PDT), "daniswati007@gmail.com"
> <daniswati007@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>free computer using tips for more visit www......tk
>
> Can you send me about 10,000 units please.
>
> -sln@netherlands.com
Try and figure out how to not quote a spammer's URL when you reply to
the spam (for some reason).
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:14:22 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: learn about computer
Message-Id: <c99sv49bjr32o52n4k9kvghr0jd32f9k8m@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:00:51 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 May 2009 22:20:31 -0700 (PDT), "daniswati007@gmail.com"
>> <daniswati007@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>free computer using tips for more visit www......tk
>>
>> Can you send me about 10,000 units please.
>>
>> -sln@netherlands.com
>
>Try and figure out how to not quote a spammer's URL when you reply to
>the spam (for some reason).
FUCK OFF .. JACK OFF!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <aeurv41bqrclbrti8bspl1jv1l42um27fo@4ax.com>
And again test for not available.
1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <phurv45e1cpt2e7cg5cg08ntjia0sg6eqq@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>And again test for not available.
>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>
>-sln
I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
One more incident and your history.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:13:05 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <1lurv4pn04iso569b8rjph9muevgl0qqke@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>>And again test for not available.
>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>
>>-sln
>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>One more incident and your history.
>
>-sln
I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:22:56 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <67vrv498q2ndcge5ihhe0t47heaka16gek@4ax.com>
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:24:23 -0400, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <spamtrap@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote:
>Perl 5.10.0 has been out long enough that it is no longer bleeding edge.
>Some of the useful new features are labelled as experimental, suggesting
>that they not be used in production code. However, the enhancements that
>I'm interested in are also in Perl 6, albeit with different syntax.
>
>Does anybody have a feel for which experimental features might plausibly
>be removed in a hypothetical Perl 5.11 and which have been solid enough or
>won enough acceptance that removal is unlikely? I'm particularly concerned
>with 0 width code insertions in regexen that apply a semantic constraint,
>e.g., do (*FAIL) if a numeric match is out of range, e.g.
>
> my $OctetPat = qr/ ( (?<!\d) \d{1,3} )
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Rediculous. Look behind not digit and matching 1 to 3 digits
will always match any 2 digits not preceded by a digit.
So .456789053433 will always match $^N < 255 in a code conditional.
> (?(?{$^N > 255})
> (*FAIL)
> )
> /x;
Look before you leap. The enhanced regex features are experimental and
complex in nature and offer extended pattern matching and are peculiar
to Perl for now. Perl has at large competitors in the regex market and it
won't be second to no one. However, there is a common denominator that is
the 'least', of all the suppliers out there.
For that reason, any extension (including simple non-capture grouping) is not portable
in the sense it can be cut and pasted to other software that knows regex.
There are many issues, buy you should learn the basics first instead of worrying
about 'experimental' verbage in documentation. There is no standard beyond the basics
yet. If you can't solve your problem with basic regex form first, you won't know
what to do with advanced, language/lib specific features.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:38:39 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <l50sv41emp135barsu6trg0u8v6bilcjq2@4ax.com>
[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]
EasyNews sucks Donkey Dick !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <yvoLl.12052$Jc3.953@newsfe16.iad>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>And again test for not available.
>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>
>>>-sln
>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>One more incident and your history.
>>
>>-sln
> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>
> -sln
Who the hell are you talking to?
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:05:05 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <hn8sv4p8b5lei6u5mfbuu1gghutvt92g5p@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
FUCK OFF ASSWIPE BEFORE I KICK THE MOTHER FUCKIN SHIT OUT OF YOU
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:15:21 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <5b9sv4pehkip8ulush2s1iqdi3du4gbakl@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
EAT A DICK SCUMBAG !!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:17:30 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <le9sv45agqthf1pvatu9vgto3btdd8f52u@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
TO YOU, I'M SAYING I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER LAST NIGHT
AND SHE SQEALED LIKE A PIG !!!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:21:01 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <jj9sv4561c0f2btvdjsq6vluob5h4o3auf@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
YOU AND YOUR WIFE WHO I FUCKED IN THE ASS LAST NIGHT !!
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:23:20 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <ko9sv45jt4sngqe5qgkf21hblf4658d2op@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
YOU AND YOUR SISTER WHO PAYS TO GIVE BLOW-JOB'S.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:24:31 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Perl 5.10: Safety of experimental features?
Message-Id: <8s9sv45e48ckna49h7u3vihiqh9p8s1brr@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:02:06 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:11:32 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 May 2009 13:09:16 -0700, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>And again test for not available.
>>>>1 More time and EasyNews gets cancled.
>>>>
>>>>-sln
>>>I'm going to assume you had a brain fart for now EasyNews.
>>>One more incident and your history.
>>>
>>>-sln
>> I'm cancelling. I don't need to pay you.
>>
>> -sln
>
>Who the hell are you talking to?
YOU SCUMBAG AND YOUR FATHER WHO LIKES IT UP THE ASS.
-sln
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 14:36:48 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message bodies from Perl groups
Message-Id: <pe3sv4pvp38cmpmb27vu096g551ib22gjn@4ax.com>
I forgot to tell you. The message headers are on your server. The body of the message
is no longer available. Is that something new, sort of latent body distribution in the Usenet
arena? Maybe comes 30 minutes later?
You knew the intent of my message. Unless there is some sort of unique "Header Servers" and
"Body Servers".
-me
----- Original Message -----
From: me
To: support@easynews.com
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Ticket #825385] '[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]'
So let me get this straight.
I originate a post to/on EasyNews servers, it gets posted to Usenet but doesen't
hit your YOUR server for 30 minutes?
Thats not even possible. This is a some other problem.
I'm very unhappy with your service. I am looking into a different provider.
-me
----- Original Message -----
From: Support via RT
To: me
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Ticket #825385] '[Sorry. This message is no longer available.]'
Hello,
Posts normally take in the order of 30 minutes to appear on our servers,
though they do make it out to Usenet sooner than this. We have plans to
implement a posting-oriented server for people who value speed, but at
the moment, posts simply take a bit to appear. Please let us know if you
have any questions or concerns.
Easynews Support Team
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 15:04:48 -0700
From: Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml>
Subject: Re: Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message bodies from Perl groups
Message-Id: <4yoLl.12070$Jc3.2284@newsfe16.iad>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> I forgot to tell you. The message headers are on your server. The body
> of the message is no longer available. Is that something new, sort of
> latent body distribution in the Usenet arena? Maybe comes 30 minutes
> later?
>
Let me ask you, why in the world do you think all of the views of this
group care about your whining and complaints about your nntp provider?
Go away.
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Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 16:04:06 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Unbelievable, Easy News trashes arbitrary message bodies from Perl groups
Message-Id: <ol8sv4pldbmoho9njtef3jvk02926hj1dp@4ax.com>
On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:04:48 -0700, Nathan Keel <nat.k@gm.ml> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> I forgot to tell you. The message headers are on your server. The body
>> of the message is no longer available. Is that something new, sort of
>> latent body distribution in the Usenet arena? Maybe comes 30 minutes
>> later?
>>
>
>Let me ask you, why in the world do you think all of the views of this
>group care about your whining and complaints about your nntp provider?
>Go away.
Hey, FUCK OFF ASSHOLE. GOT THAT SCUMBAG ??????????????????????????????????????
-sln
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