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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT)
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Today's topics:
[OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups <sisyphus359@gmail.com>
Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups <someone@example.com>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <helmut@wollmersdorfer.at>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <helmut@wollmersdorfer.at>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Perl Opportunity <yolandaref@gmail.com>
Re: Perl Opportunity <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: Replacing text containing parenthesis <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
split-like thing <nospam@nospam.com>
Re: split-like thing <devnull4711@web.de>
Re: split-like thing <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: split-like thing sln@netherlands.com
u will find a lot of........... jabeenmuneeb@gmail.com
Re: What does `my' do?! (Tim McDaniel)
Re: What does `my' do?! <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression? <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression? <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression? <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression? sln@netherlands.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: sisyphus <sisyphus359@gmail.com>
Subject: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups
Message-Id: <5495798e-948f-4116-b013-b9fe3fdc61e2@s38g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
Hi,
No problems posting to comp.lang.perl.modules and comp.lang.perl.misc,
but whenever I post to perl.beginners (which, I believe, is
moderated), the post simply fails to show up. I get the customary
"your post was successful" message ... and that's the end of it.
Is there something I can do to fix this ?
I'm posting via google groups (google.groups.com.au).
Cheers,
Rob
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:12:02 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups
Message-Id: <49edd436$0$2482$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>
sisyphus wrote:
> Hi,
> No problems posting to comp.lang.perl.modules and comp.lang.perl.misc,
Those are Internet newsgroups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup
> but whenever I post to perl.beginners
That isn't a newsgroup it is only a Google-group AFAIK.
> (which, I believe, is moderated),
Which menas things don't show up until the moderator looks at them and
OK's them.
> the post simply fails to show up.
Maybe the moderator is slower than you expect or rejected your posting
for some reason?
> I get the customary
> "your post was successful" message ... and that's the end of it.
Isn't that what you would expect? Presumably it means it is waiting for
the moderator to review it and either accept or reject it.
> Is there something I can do to fix this ?
Yes
> I'm posting via google groups (google.groups.com.au).
I recommend you read http://improve-usenet.org/
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:18:32 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups
Message-Id: <49edd5bb$0$2483$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>
RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>
> sisyphus wrote:
>> but whenever I post to perl.beginners
>
> That isn't a newsgroup it is only a Google-group AFAIK.
>
Oops, it's a mailing list.
>
>> Is there something I can do to fix this ?
>
> Yes
>
>
>> I'm posting via google groups (google.groups.com.au).
>
> I recommend you read http://improve-usenet.org/
>
>
Which is still relevant because http://learn.perl.org/ says
"You can now read the beginners lists ... with your newsreader ... from
the news server nntp.perl.org. You can also browse it on the web"
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:22:50 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups
Message-Id: <Xns9BF46998E15DCasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid> wrote in
news:49edd436$0$2482$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk:
> sisyphus wrote:
>> Hi,
>> No problems posting to comp.lang.perl.modules and
>> comp.lang.perl.misc,
>
> Those are Internet newsgroups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup
>
>
>> but whenever I post to perl.beginners
>
> That isn't a newsgroup it is only a Google-group AFAIK.
I can access it using a newsreader via nntp.perl.org.
I am going to try to post sisyphus' question.
Sinan
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:27:48 -0700
From: "John W. Krahn" <someone@example.com>
Subject: Re: [OT] Posting to perl.beginners via google groups
Message-Id: <aumHl.33241$Qh6.20012@newsfe14.iad>
sisyphus wrote:
> Hi,
> No problems posting to comp.lang.perl.modules and comp.lang.perl.misc,
> but whenever I post to perl.beginners (which, I believe, is
> moderated), the post simply fails to show up. I get the customary
> "your post was successful" message ... and that's the end of it.
>
> Is there something I can do to fix this ?
> I'm posting via google groups (google.groups.com.au).
If you want to subscribe to the Perl Beginners *mailing* *list* go to:
http://lists.cpan.org/search.cgi?cat=Beginners
John
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annoyance to those of us who do. -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:19:20 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <49edc7db$0$2536$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk>
I'm assuming the goal is something like ensuring straße.txt doesn't
overwrite strase.txt nor strasse.txt on a filesystem where file names
can only use the printable ASCII character repertoire.
You want the target characters to resemble the originals for mnemonic
purposes?
January Weiner wrote:
> Having a clever module that can uniquly assign various weird characters to
> the basic ASCII set would be a really great thing,
When Unicode has over 100,000 assigned code points and ASCII only 127 I
don't see how you could do this "uniquely" on a single character to
single character basis.
If you are replacing single Unicode characters with multiple ASCII
characters then you might as well either
a) Substitute non-ASCII characters with their Unicode names from
http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/NamesList.txt
b) Substitute the hex or base-64 representation of the Unicode code-point.
Any mnemonic scheme will probably only cope with a tiny subset of the
"weird characters".
Would this clever module also be able to represent Sanscrit in file
names that are mnemonic for Mandarin speakers on computers with
file-systems where file names are restricted to Big-5 encoded characters?
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:56:00 -0700
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <7cmru4ddjtgj184l6k8m2dkdc3crhiqq3b@4ax.com>
bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:
>Jürgen Exner wrote:
>> First of all how would you react, if someone is mangling your name?
>> There is no "English version" of my first name.
>
>But an English speaker might well search for "Jurgen Exner"
>and hope to find you.
And my name may come up as the closest hit with a 91% match.
>Accent folding is a key component of "loose" matching.
Having a second, closer look you are right. The OPs character set is
indeed very restricted to just simple accented characters and doesn't
include any of the more complex or additional characters found in the
other Latin-X sets.
jue
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:41:42 +0200
From: Helmut Wollmersdorfer <helmut@wollmersdorfer.at>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <gskpig$nk6$1@geiz-ist-geil.priv.at>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> "Guy" <someone@somewhere.nb.ca> wrote:
>> I'm sure there are many ways to do this, but is there a much better way?
>>
>> $value=~tr/àâÀéèëêÉÊçÇîïôÔùû/aaaeeeeeecciioouu/;
>> $word=lc($value);
>>
>> I want $word to equal the english version of $value. So if
>> $value="Théodore", I want $word="theodore".
>
> This is A Very Bad Idea(TM). We had those discussions 10 years ago and I
> am suprised that people still want to make the same mistakes.
It's not a mistake, if you know what you are doing.
There are reasons to 'unaccent' a string, e.g. in fault tolerant
matching, similarity of queries, e-mail accounts like
'jurgen.exner@international.com'.
The 'very bad idea' is the small selection of accented characters.
> First of all how would you react, if someone is mangling your name?
Will the name of Russian or Japanese people in a German phone book be in
Cyrrilic or Katakana?
> There is no "English version" of my first name.
There are transliterations to ASCII.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:44:40 +0200
From: Helmut Wollmersdorfer <helmut@wollmersdorfer.at>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <gskpo0$nk6$2@geiz-ist-geil.priv.at>
Guy wrote:
> I'm sure there are many ways to do this, but is there a much better way?
> $value=~tr/àâÀéèëêÉÊçÇîïôÔùû/aaaeeeeeecciioouu/;
> $word=lc($value);
use Text::Undiacritic qw(undiacritic);
$ascii_string = lc(undiacritic( $value ));
This is a general solution not restricted to your few characters.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:22:54 -0700
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <0urru4te2dmcje4tcedtbv7b5btrj6ntl7@4ax.com>
Helmut Wollmersdorfer <helmut@wollmersdorfer.at> wrote:
>Jürgen Exner wrote:
>> First of all how would you react, if someone is mangling your name?
>
>Will the name of Russian or Japanese people in a German phone book be in
>Cyrrilic or Katakana?
They will be as the _person_ wrote them in German characters. That is
very different from a computer program deciding how to change the name,
based on some programmer's ideas who's internationalization expertice
typically is very questionable.
I have seen variations of my first name ranging from 'Juergen' and
'Jurgen' over 'Jrgen' and 'J Rgen' all the way to 'J¼Ãrgen', usually
because some programmer decided to accept non-ASCII input but then
didn't deal with properly.
>> There is no "English version" of my first name.
>
>There are transliterations to ASCII.
Yes. And to do them properly you need much, much more than a tr///
command!
jue
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:19:15 -0500
From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a better way to convert foreign characters?
Message-Id: <8663gxx42k.fsf@lifelogs.com>
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:58:00 +0200 (CEST) January Weiner <january.weiner@gmail.com> wrote:
JW> You have read a great book by an author called Żmiwór Ściepełkowski. You
JW> want to look up in your favorite library database what else he has written.
JW> What do you do?
JW> a) you enter "Zmiwor Sciepelkowski"
JW> b) you figure out what these characters are, from what set, and in the
JW> end you spend half an hour trying to locate "Åš" and other characters (and
JW> not Ŝ, Š, Ṥ, Ṧ or Ṩ or one of a dozen of other variants, which are, in
JW> fact, all very different, although they might look very similar).
...
JW> Having a clever module that can uniquly assign various weird characters to
JW> the basic ASCII set would be a really great thing, and I would be really
JW> grateful to anyone who could offer a better solution than that of the OP.
Unicode::Transliterate does at least some of this. It uses the IBM ICU
project; the ICU documentation section on transforms may be particularly
useful. For example, see the "Any->Accents" transliteration:
http://userguide.icu-project.org/transforms/general
That may be a better solution in the long run, depending on the OP's
goals, but a simple regex is not a bad thing as long as it's used
carefully and documented sufficiently.
Ted
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: lala <yolandaref@gmail.com>
Subject: Perl Opportunity
Message-Id: <15a920fd-312e-4487-aec6-ebb863919027@r34g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>
Any very strong Perl Developers looking for contracting please contact
yolanda@refcomputer.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:10:07 -0400
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
To: lala <yolandaref@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl Opportunity
Message-Id: <87prf53mkg.fsf@quad.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "l" == lala <yolandaref@gmail.com> writes:
l> Any very strong Perl Developers looking for contracting please contact
l> yolanda@refcomputer.com
this group is not for posting jobs. use the perl jobs list at
jobs.perl.org.
uri
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:05:32 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Replacing text containing parenthesis
Message-Id: <Xns9BF470D5CC45Fasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
markhobley@hotpop.donottypethisbit.com (Mark Hobley) wrote in
news:713nb6-p2p.ln1@neptune.markhobley.yi.org:
> John W. Krahn <someone@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Run:
>>
>> echo "s/\$\(top_srcdir\)\/\.\.\/config\/override\.m4//g;"
>> from the shell to see how the shell interpolates it.
>
> Hmmm, it appeared to be ok ...
>
> echo "s/\$\(top_srcdir\)\/\.\.\/config\/override\.m4//g;"
> s/$\(top_srcdir\)\/\.\.\/config\/override\.m4//g;
How is that OK?
Now, instead of \$\( you have $\(
Sinan
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:30:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: john <nospam@nospam.com>
Subject: split-like thing
Message-Id: <slrngusenq.cjb.nospam@nospam.invalid>
Hi,
If I have a string "abcdefgh", what's the best way to get an array with
the characters in pairs? ("ab", "cd", "ef", "gh")
Thanks!
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:51:47 +0200
From: Frank Seitz <devnull4711@web.de>
Subject: Re: split-like thing
Message-Id: <756tfgF16k4lfU2@mid.individual.net>
john wrote:
>
> If I have a string "abcdefgh", what's the best way to get an array with
> the characters in pairs? ("ab", "cd", "ef", "gh")
@arr = $str =~ /(..)/g;
Frank
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:56:35 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: split-like thing
Message-Id: <IsmdnYyyCI6F3HPUnZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d@bt.com>
john wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If I have a string "abcdefgh", what's the best way to get an array with
> the characters in pairs? ("ab", "cd", "ef", "gh")
>
One way (not necessarily "best") is
C:\> perl -e "$_='abcdefgh'; @x=m/../g; print join(',',@x)"
ab,cd,ef,gh
or
C:\> perl -e "@x='abcdefgh'=~m/../g; print join(',',@x)"
ab,cd,ef,gh
--
RGB
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:04:47 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: split-like thing
Message-Id: <3bgsu41s28bfqq0pprs59l78h15g7b3c3f@4ax.com>
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:51:47 +0200, Frank Seitz <devnull4711@web.de> wrote:
>john wrote:
>>
>> If I have a string "abcdefgh", what's the best way to get an array with
>> the characters in pairs? ("ab", "cd", "ef", "gh")
>
>@arr = $str =~ /(..)/g;
^ ^
Don't need to capture the whole pattern, that is the default in list context,
otherwise subpatterns as such will get it: @arr = $str =~ /.(.)/g;
This also works as well:
@arr = $str =~ /.{2}/g;
-sln
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: jabeenmuneeb@gmail.com
Subject: u will find a lot of...........
Message-Id: <426eeb11-8e5c-4131-a7cf-c4b5ff90c85e@b7g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
hi friends r u looking for something interesting
u will find a lot of interesting headlines from all over the world
www.newszo.blogspot.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:15:48 +0000 (UTC)
From: tmcd@panix.com (Tim McDaniel)
Subject: Re: What does `my' do?!
Message-Id: <gskrfk$g8c$1@reader1.panix.com>
In article <otovb6-209.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>,
Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
>The scope of the name begins at the end of the statement and ends at
>the end of the innermost containing block
except where hidden by other "my" or "local" declarations within
that scope. Is that correct?
--
Tim McDaniel, tmcd@panix.com
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:30:37 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: What does `my' do?!
Message-Id: <tgq1c6-3nj.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth tmcd@panix.com:
> In article <otovb6-209.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>,
> Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> >The scope of the name begins at the end of the statement and ends at
> >the end of the innermost containing block
>
> except where hidden by other "my" or "local" declarations within
> that scope. Is that correct?
'my' only. You can't 'local' a lexical, so
my $x;
local $x;
is a syntax error.
Ben
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:31:02 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression?
Message-Id: <slrngurm57.1jo.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2009-04-19 22:26, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
> sln@netherlands.com <sln@netherlands.com> wrote:
>><-- Don't include <a href='mailto:test@Woogle.com'> me -->
>
>
> Why not?
>
> I thought the point was to find <a> elements, not ignore them.
This isn't an a element, it is a comment.
hp
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50:15 -0500
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression?
Message-Id: <slrngurqpn.mp5.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
> On 2009-04-19 22:26, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>> sln@netherlands.com <sln@netherlands.com> wrote:
>>><-- Don't include <a href='mailto:test@Woogle.com'> me -->
^^^
^^^ should be <!--
>>
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> I thought the point was to find <a> elements, not ignore them.
>
> This isn't an a element, it is a comment.
It is not a comment. The bang is missing.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:26:58 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression?
Message-Id: <slrngursuj.am4.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2009-04-21 15:50, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
> Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>> On 2009-04-19 22:26, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>>> sln@netherlands.com <sln@netherlands.com> wrote:
>>>><-- Don't include <a href='mailto:test@Woogle.com'> me -->
> ^^^
> ^^^ should be <!--
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> I thought the point was to find <a> elements, not ignore them.
>>
>> This isn't an a element, it is a comment.
>
>
> It is not a comment. The bang is missing.
My fault, sorry.
hp
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:56:02 -0700
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: What's wrong with the following regular expression?
Message-Id: <dmcsu4hbauq2vu8l910s73132qgh6eiqrr@4ax.com>
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50:15 -0500, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>> On 2009-04-19 22:26, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>>> sln@netherlands.com <sln@netherlands.com> wrote:
>>>><-- Don't include <a href='mailto:test@Woogle.com'> me -->
> ^^^
> ^^^ should be <!--
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> I thought the point was to find <a> elements, not ignore them.
>>
>> This isn't an a element, it is a comment.
>
>
>It is not a comment. The bang is missing.
My apologies.
-sln
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