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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 11 Jan 2009 Volume: 11 Number: 2113
Today's topics:
Re: Circular lists <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Circular lists sln@netherlands.com
Re: Circular lists sln@netherlands.com
Re: Circular lists <tim@burlyhost.com>
Re: Circular lists <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Re: Circular lists <tim@burlyhost.com>
Re: I am needing a gentle introduction to accessing a p <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: I am needing a gentle introduction to accessing a p <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl>
Re: Installing CPAN module that has no PPM package <george@example.invalid>
Is someone trying to delete this group? <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <tim@burlyhost.com>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <tim@burlyhost.com>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <tim@burlyhost.com>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Re: Is someone trying to delete this group? <tim@burlyhost.com>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <vrehm49grb144eqf2vajdikcauoeqfd76c@4ax.com>
gamo <gamo@telecable.es> wrote:
>On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, RedGrittyBrick wrote:
>> gamo wrote:
>> > I want to learn an effient way of handle circular lists.
>>
>> What do you mean by a circular list? AFAIK Perl only knows about plain lists.
>>
>...
>> Given a set a,b,c - the for loop could be used to yield
>> a b c
>> b c a
>> c a b
>> This might be the sort of thing you are looking for. I exclude b,c,a because
>> of the way I have interpreted your mention of "circular list".
>
>If a,b,c is a list
>b,c,a is the same list rotated b,c,a,b,c,a (note the a,b,c)
>c,a,b is the same too, because c,a,b,c,a,b (note the a,b,c)
>
>a,c,b is another list because a,c,b,a,c,b is new
>
>I expect this clarifies the problem.
Are you confirming Red's understanding of the problem or are you
correcting his understanding? To me both versions, his and yours, seem
to be the same.
If they are, then generating all your "circular lists" is trivial, as is
computing their number.
Obviously there are exactly as many circular lists as there are elements
in the original list, because each element can become the first element
in a result list.
And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list) and for
each result list concatenate the elements from $index to $#list with the
elements from 0 to $index-1.
jue
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:34:14 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <l81im4lae8e1a8ti51klm0bu55lrmfipqu@4ax.com>
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800, Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list) and for
>each result list concatenate the elements from $index to $#list with the
>elements from 0 to $index-1.
>
>jue
Haven't seen any code yet. I think this is easier for you to write the
manipulation of ring buffers in English than to actually do it.
Anybody can profess how it can be done, unless you actually do it of course.
That separates the men from the boys.
sln
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:50:58 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <4kuim45m8fb6qb4bqvuo1fsjmclpa75e0s@4ax.com>
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:34:14 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800, Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list) and for
>>each result list concatenate the elements from $index to $#list with the
>>elements from 0 to $index-1.
>>
>>jue
>
>Haven't seen any code yet. I think this is easier for you to write the
>manipulation of ring buffers in English than to actually do it.
>
>Anybody can profess how it can be done, unless you actually do it of course.
>That separates the men from the boys.
>
>sln
No problem bro, i'm writing a class that does it all
sln
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:57:15 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <%Sfal.8123$Nq5.6408@newsfe24.iad>
sln@netherlands.com wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:34:14 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800, Jürgen Exner
>><jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list) and
>>>for each result list concatenate the elements from $index to $#list
>>>with the elements from 0 to $index-1.
>>>
>>>jue
>>
>>Haven't seen any code yet. I think this is easier for you to write the
>>manipulation of ring buffers in English than to actually do it.
>>
>>Anybody can profess how it can be done, unless you actually do it of
>>course. That separates the men from the boys.
>>
>>sln
>
> No problem bro, i'm writing a class that does it all
>
> sln
You're replying to yourself again? Just so you know, you've replied to
your previous post saying you've not seen the code yet, and just
replied saying "no problem" and you're writing a class that does it
all?
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:19:35 -0800
From: "Rom" <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <Ybgal.18091$ZP4.13752@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>
Tim Greer wrote:
> sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:34:14 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800, Jürgen Exner
>>> <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list) and
>>>> for each result list concatenate the elements from $index to $#list
>>>> with the elements from 0 to $index-1.
>>>>
>>>> jue
>>>
>>> Haven't seen any code yet. I think this is easier for you to write
>>> the manipulation of ring buffers in English than to actually do it.
>>>
>>> Anybody can profess how it can be done, unless you actually do it of
>>> course. That separates the men from the boys.
>>>
>>> sln
>>
>> No problem bro, i'm writing a class that does it all
>>
>> sln
>
> You're replying to yourself again? Just so you know, you've replied
> to your previous post saying you've not seen the code yet, and just
> replied saying "no problem" and you're writing a class that does it
> all?
Maybe it's a multiple identify disorder? That may sound like a joke but it
is in fact a real human ailment. I mean all the trolls over the years in
various groups likely suffer from one mental illness or another. I must
admit, in all my years, I cannot recall seeing someone reply to themselves
in this way. Of course it is possible he just was tired and made an error
when replying to someone else; it happens.
--
Thanks, Rom.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:27:17 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Circular lists
Message-Id: <9jgal.14570$3_4.8216@newsfe10.iad>
Rom wrote:
> Tim Greer wrote:
>> sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:34:14 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:22:12 -0800, Jürgen Exner
>>>> <jurgenex@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And you can generate them by using a running $index (0..$#list)
>>>>> and for each result list concatenate the elements from $index to
>>>>> $#list with the elements from 0 to $index-1.
>>>>>
>>>>> jue
>>>>
>>>> Haven't seen any code yet. I think this is easier for you to write
>>>> the manipulation of ring buffers in English than to actually do it.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody can profess how it can be done, unless you actually do it
>>>> of course. That separates the men from the boys.
>>>>
>>>> sln
>>>
>>> No problem bro, i'm writing a class that does it all
>>>
>>> sln
>>
>> You're replying to yourself again? Just so you know, you've replied
>> to your previous post saying you've not seen the code yet, and just
>> replied saying "no problem" and you're writing a class that does it
>> all?
>
> Maybe it's a multiple identify disorder? That may sound like a joke
> but it is in fact a real human ailment. I mean all the trolls over the
> years in various groups likely suffer from one mental illness or
> another. I must admit, in all my years, I cannot recall seeing someone
> reply to themselves in this way. Of course it is possible he just was
> tired and made an error when replying to someone else; it happens.
>
Actually, he replies to himself all of the time. I really don't mind
it, it just seems weird.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:12:14 -0600
From: Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: I am needing a gentle introduction to accessing a perl array from a reference
Message-Id: <slrngmi08u.39h.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Larry W. Virden <lvirden@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 8:17 am, "Larry W. Virden" <lvir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 10, 4:17 am, "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usen...@hjp.at> wrote:
>>
>> > Since the rest of the code looks like it expects
>> > an array of hashrefs I have to ask whether you are sure that this is
>> > really the code which is called. Or is there a very similar method which
>> > differs only in calling fetchrow_hashref instead of fetchrow_array, and
>> > you are calling that instead?
> Ah - I see the reason for the descrepancy. As I mentioned, the
> web service has a lot of methods, and the one I was thinking was the
> one being called was not.
> Here's the code the
> function being called is using:
As you may have already deduced, this is poor quality code.
I give it a C+.
> sub GetManagerList{
>
> my (@next_row);
> my @retval; #this will be array of hashes
>
>
> #query db to find information
> my ($dbconn) = DBI->connect("DBI:Oracle:$DBHOST",$DBUSER,$DBPASS) or
> return \@retval;
Programs should not fail silently. They should fail noisily.
When the user gets no results, they cannot know if that is because
there were actually no results or if it was because a connection
to the database could not be established!
> my ($query) = $dbconn->prepare(
> "SELECT h.*, c.UNIX_UID from CSI_HR
> h, CSI_CORE c WHERE h.ALT_EMP_NO = c.HR_ALT_EMP_NO and EXISTS
> (Select * FROM CSI_HR h2 where
> h.Alt_Emp_No = h2.Supervisor_Emp_No) order by Last_Name");
Check the return value for the statement before this one.
Check the return value for the statement after this one.
Do not check the return value for this statement?
Using "select *" is a very bad practice.
If the table was defined like this:
create table test (
address text,
name text
);
then you get address followed by name from "select *".
If the table was defined like this:
create table test (
name text,
address text
);
then you get name followed by address from "select *".
> $query->execute() or return \@retval; #problem return empty array
>
>
> @next_row= $query->fetchrow_array();
> while (@next_row) #get rows and add to return array of hashes
> {
>
> #get UID and Name
>
> push(@retval,{Alt_Emp_No => $next_row[0], Job_Class => $next_row
> [1], Title => $next_row[2],Dept_Code => $next_row[3],
> Dept_No => $next_row[4],Last_Name => $next_row
> [5],First_Name => $next_row[6],Middle_Name => $next_row[7],
> Supervisor_Emp_No => $next_row[8], HR_Status =>
> $next_row[9],
> HR_Create => $next_row[10],
> HR_Mod => $next_row[11], User_Name => scalar getpwuid
> ($next_row[12])});
>
> @next_row= $query->fetchrow_array();
> }
while ( my $href = fetchrow_hashref ) {
push @retval, $href;
}
Does (probably) the same thing in 2 lines instead of in 7 lines...
> Anow now that I found the right function, I see the code manufactures
> its own hash in the return value from the flat arrays. That makes so
> much more sense.
That makes more sense with regard to how you're seeing what you're seeing.
It makes a great deal less sense with regard to how the hash is getting built.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:33:28 +0100
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+usenet@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: I am needing a gentle introduction to accessing a perl array from a reference
Message-Id: <4968dbe8$0$182$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>
Larry W. Virden wrote:
> @next_row= $query->fetchrow_array();
> while (@next_row) #get rows and add to return array of hashes
Yuck, see "{ Slice => {} }" in the DBI doc.
--
Ruud
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:00:06 -0700
From: George <george@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: Installing CPAN module that has no PPM package
Message-Id: <1sqq586j7yzw0.zs8a7e7z2mv6$.dlg@40tude.net>
On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:17:15 -0800, Tim Greer wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Are you on windows?
>
> The OP said:
>
> "I have ActiveState Perl 5.10"
>
> "I got a compatible version of nmake from MS"
>
> "I have Visual Studio 6 and 8 installed on this machine"
>
> "Using vcvars32.at from VS6"
>
> "-libpath\:"C\:\\Perl\\lib\\CORE""
>
> "Using vcvarsall.bat from VS8"
>
> So, these very likely are an answer that they are on a Windows system,
> for future reference.
It certainly would seem so. Rightly or not, I associate perl folks more
with the linux crowd.
When I started in with activestate, figuring out the modules was a huge
part of it. One difficulty is that the names aren't specified uniquely and
unambigously. Many times, you have to use cpan to figure out exactly which
module you are looking for.
When you find the right one, it has to go in a certain folder in your
activestate install, the name of which corresponds somewhat to the module
name. I think it's in the lib subfolder of the site folder.
I'm obviously rusty with this information, but I hope my recollections
help.
Cheers,
--
George
I believe in the transformational power of liberty. I believe that the free
Iraq is in this nation's interests. I believe a free Afghanistan is in this
nation's interest.
George W. Bush
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:16:42 -0800
From: "Rom" <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Subject: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <%gfal.18076$ZP4.15123@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>
Over the past couple months or so, I've been seeing messages like the
following in the thread list here:
<quote>
From: bleachbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: cmsg cancel
<05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
Control: cancel
<05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:49:53 +0100
Organization: Nowhere Corp.
Sender: "www.iofferkicks.com" <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
Message-ID:
<cancel.66de.05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
[...]
X-Original-Message-ID:
<05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST)
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.22.140.157**
</quote>
(** seems to be different in each one from this poster.)
And more recently:
<quote>
From: udpbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
Subject: cmsg cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
Control: cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:28:40 +0100
Organization: Nowhere Corp.
Sender: Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
Message-ID: <cancel.6520.1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
[...]
X-Original-Message-ID: <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:24:46 -0600
X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de
</quote>
The ones from "bleachbot" are what I've been seeing for a while now, and the
ones from "udpbot" seems to have just started. "bleachbot" seems to somehow
be doing it from Google groups -- I didn't even know that was
possible??!! -- and "udpbot"'s appear to originate from superfeed.net...
I would simply like to know what the hell is going on... is this group in
any danager from being deleted (canceled) from any servers... seems my
server (at&t) is still carrying it. Even if these are bogus, isn't there
anything that can be done? I know the nntp-posting-host seems to change each
time, so I don't if any real tracing can be done... it's akin to
mass-spamming using botnets or something similar.
--
Thanks, Rom.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:56:16 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <5Sfal.8122$Nq5.416@newsfe24.iad>
Rom wrote:
> Over the past couple months or so, I've been seeing messages like the
> following in the thread list here:
>
> <quote>
> From: bleachbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
> Subject: cmsg cancel
> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> Control: cancel
> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:49:53 +0100
> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
> Sender: "www.iofferkicks.com" <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
> Message-ID:
>
<cancel.66de.05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> [...]
> X-Original-Message-ID:
> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
> X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST)
> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.22.140.157**
> </quote>
> (** seems to be different in each one from this poster.)
>
>
> And more recently:
>
> <quote>
> From: udpbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
> Subject: cmsg cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
> Control: cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:28:40 +0100
> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
> Sender: Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
> Message-ID: <cancel.6520.1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
> [...]
> X-Original-Message-ID: <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
> X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:24:46 -0600
> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de
> </quote>
>
>
> The ones from "bleachbot" are what I've been seeing for a while now,
> and the ones from "udpbot" seems to have just started. "bleachbot"
> seems to somehow be doing it from Google groups -- I didn't even know
> that was possible??!! -- and "udpbot"'s appear to originate from
> superfeed.net...
>
> I would simply like to know what the hell is going on... is this group
> in any danager from being deleted (canceled) from any servers... seems
> my server (at&t) is still carrying it. Even if these are bogus, isn't
> there anything that can be done? I know the nntp-posting-host seems to
> change each time, so I don't if any real tracing can be done... it's
> akin to mass-spamming using botnets or something similar.
>
Those appear to be spam postings and google groups might have removed
them, but they are still there. Also, it's canceling of the spam
posts/messages, not the actual group. The group is still alive and
well (you delete posts (cancel, supercede, etc.), not the group
itself).
Canceled spam posts/examples:
The hoffmann@ion.com "poster" posted a spam with:
Re: Hyvää Joulua
From:
Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
Date:
Saturday 10 January 2009 5:24:46 pm
Groups:
comp.lang.perl.misc
Followup-To:
sfnet.harrastus.biljardi,sfnet.harrastus.perhoset,sfnet.urheilu,comp.lang.perl.misc
References: 1
The iokicks "poster":
(WWW.spamurl.COM)nike shoes:$32,handbag:$35,NFL:$20,jeans:$30,UGG boot
$50(FREE SHIPPING)
From:
www.iofferkicks.com <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
Date:
Friday 09 January 2009 11:49:53 am
Groups:
comp.lang.perl.misc
X-User-Agent:
G2/1.0
Organization:
http://groups.google.com
no references
You get the idea. There's nothing to worry about. Google isn't going
to drop the Perl news group, unless they just stop their service
altogether (though I don't know how many would actually miss it, and
some welcome it -- I do miss the old DejaNews though).
--
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:58:25 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <5Ufal.8124$Nq5.3810@newsfe24.iad>
Tim Greer wrote:
> Rom wrote:
>
>> Over the past couple months or so, I've been seeing messages like the
>> following in the thread list here:
>>
>> <quote>
>> From: bleachbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>> Subject: cmsg cancel
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> Control: cancel
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:49:53 +0100
>> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
>> Sender: "www.iofferkicks.com" <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
>> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
>> Message-ID:
>>
>
<cancel.66de.05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> [...]
>> X-Original-Message-ID:
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST)
>> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.22.140.157**
>> </quote>
>> (** seems to be different in each one from this poster.)
>>
>>
>> And more recently:
>>
>> <quote>
>> From: udpbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>> Subject: cmsg cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> Control: cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:28:40 +0100
>> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
>> Sender: Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
>> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
>> Message-ID: <cancel.6520.1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> [...]
>> X-Original-Message-ID: <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:24:46 -0600
>> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> The ones from "bleachbot" are what I've been seeing for a while now,
>> and the ones from "udpbot" seems to have just started. "bleachbot"
>> seems to somehow be doing it from Google groups -- I didn't even know
>> that was possible??!! -- and "udpbot"'s appear to originate from
>> superfeed.net...
>>
>> I would simply like to know what the hell is going on... is this
>> group in any danager from being deleted (canceled) from any
>> servers... seems my server (at&t) is still carrying it. Even if these
>> are bogus, isn't there anything that can be done? I know the
>> nntp-posting-host seems to change each time, so I don't if any real
>> tracing can be done... it's akin to mass-spamming using botnets or
>> something similar.
>>
>
> Those appear to be spam postings and google groups might have removed
> them, but they are still there. Also, it's canceling of the spam
> posts/messages, not the actual group. The group is still alive and
> well (you delete posts (cancel, supercede, etc.), not the group
> itself).
>
> Canceled spam posts/examples:
>
> The hoffmann@ion.com "poster" posted a spam with:
>
>
> Re: Hyvää Joulua
> From:
> Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
> Date:
> Saturday 10 January 2009 5:24:46 pm
> Groups:
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> Followup-To:
>
sfnet.harrastus.biljardi,sfnet.harrastus.perhoset,sfnet.urheilu,comp.lang.perl.misc
> References: 1
>
>
>
> The iokicks "poster":
>
>
>
> (WWW.spamurl.COM)nike shoes:$32,handbag:$35,NFL:$20,jeans:$30,UGG boot
> $50(FREE SHIPPING)
> From:
> www.iofferkicks.com <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Friday 09 January 2009 11:49:53 am
> Groups:
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> X-User-Agent:
> G2/1.0
> Organization:
> http://groups.google.com
> no references
>
>
>
>
> You get the idea. There's nothing to worry about. Google isn't going
> to drop the Perl news group, unless they just stop their service
> altogether (though I don't know how many would actually miss it, and
> some welcome it -- I do miss the old DejaNews though).
Actually, re-reading it, I suppose it might not have anything to do with
google groups. Still, the reasons and worries are the same (and
there's nothing to worry about).
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:59:57 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <xVfal.8125$Nq5.1685@newsfe24.iad>
Ugh, I didn't notice I left some of the spammer post's actual URL in
part of one of my quotes. Sorry about that.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:07:49 -0800
From: "Rom" <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <V0gal.18086$ZP4.6372@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>
Tim Greer wrote:
> Rom wrote:
>
>> Over the past couple months or so, I've been seeing messages like the
>> following in the thread list here:
>>
>> <quote>
>> From: bleachbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>> Subject: cmsg cancel
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> Control: cancel
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:49:53 +0100
>> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
>> Sender: "www.iofferkicks.com" <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
>> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
>> Message-ID:
>>
> <cancel.66de.05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> [...]
>> X-Original-Message-ID:
>> <05ac600c-8b78-4014-b3d2-ef676d98bce6@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>> X-Original-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:49:53 -0800 (PST)
>> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 58.22.140.157**
>> </quote>
>> (** seems to be different in each one from this poster.)
>>
>>
>> And more recently:
>>
>> <quote>
>> From: udpbot <bleachbot@httrack.com>
>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>> Subject: cmsg cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> Control: cancel <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:28:40 +0100
>> Organization: Nowhere Corp.
>> Sender: Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
>> Approved: bleachbot@httrack.com
>> Message-ID: <cancel.6520.1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> [...]
>> X-Original-Message-ID: <1231637086_1497@news-in1.superfeed.net>
>> X-Original-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:24:46 -0600
>> X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: gpftor2.privacyfoundation.de
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> The ones from "bleachbot" are what I've been seeing for a while now,
>> and the ones from "udpbot" seems to have just started. "bleachbot"
>> seems to somehow be doing it from Google groups -- I didn't even know
>> that was possible??!! -- and "udpbot"'s appear to originate from
>> superfeed.net...
>>
>> I would simply like to know what the hell is going on... is this
>> group in any danager from being deleted (canceled) from any
>> servers... seems my server (at&t) is still carrying it. Even if
>> these are bogus, isn't there anything that can be done? I know the
>> nntp-posting-host seems to change each time, so I don't if any real
>> tracing can be done... it's akin to mass-spamming using botnets or
>> something similar.
>>
>
> Those appear to be spam postings and google groups might have removed
> them, but they are still there. Also, it's canceling of the spam
> posts/messages, not the actual group. The group is still alive and
> well (you delete posts (cancel, supercede, etc.), not the group
> itself).
>
> Canceled spam posts/examples:
>
> The hoffmann@ion.com "poster" posted a spam with:
>
>
> Re: Hyv Joulua
> From:
> Jonni <hoffmann@ion.com>
> Date:
> Saturday 10 January 2009 5:24:46 pm
> Groups:
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> Followup-To:
> sfnet.harrastus.biljardi,sfnet.harrastus.perhoset,sfnet.urheilu,comp.lang.perl.misc
> References: 1
>
>
>
> The iokicks "poster":
>
>
>
> (WWW.spamurl.COM)nike shoes:$32,handbag:$35,NFL:$20,jeans:$30,UGG boot
> $50(FREE SHIPPING)
> From:
> www.iofferkicks.com <iofferkicks49@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Friday 09 January 2009 11:49:53 am
> Groups:
> comp.lang.perl.misc
> X-User-Agent:
> G2/1.0
> Organization:
> http://groups.google.com
> no references
>
>
>
>
> You get the idea. There's nothing to worry about. Google isn't going
> to drop the Perl news group, unless they just stop their service
> altogether (though I don't know how many would actually miss it, and
> some welcome it -- I do miss the old DejaNews though).
> --
> Tim Greer, CEO/Founder/CTO, BurlyHost.com, Inc.
> Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated & Semi-Dedicated servers
> and Custom Hosting. 24/7 support, 30 day guarantee, secure servers.
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A, silly me, yes I clearly misread those... yeah cancel is for Posts,
rmgroup (or something similar) is for group removals. I just got back from
vacation so my head hasn't quite settled, so thanks for the correction :)
--
Thanks, Rom.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:11:29 -0800
From: "Rom" <Rom@nospaM.invalid>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <p4gal.18087$ZP4.15850@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>
Tim Greer wrote:
> Ugh, I didn't notice I left some of the spammer post's actual URL in
> part of one of my quotes. Sorry about that.
No worries, you were just giving an example, and clearly not endorsing or
pushing it. I think it's safe to say anyone whose sucessfully passed primary
(elementary) school can see such a difference :)
--
Thanks, Rom.
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:26:23 -0800
From: Tim Greer <tim@burlyhost.com>
Subject: Re: Is someone trying to delete this group?
Message-Id: <jigal.14569$3_4.1915@newsfe10.iad>
Rom wrote:
> A, silly me, yes I clearly misread those... yeah cancel is for Posts,
> rmgroup (or something similar) is for group removals. I just got back
> from vacation so my head hasn't quite settled, so thanks for the
> correction :)
What's this... "Vay-kay-shun" thing, and where would I inquire for
one? :-)
Anyway, glad the mystery was solved.
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