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Perl-Users Digest           Tue, 9 Dec 2008     Volume: 11 Number: 2044

Today's topics:
    Re: debug cgi programs with post forms <michaelgang@gmail.com>
    Re: herding ones and zeroes into bytes <george@example.invalid>
        ordered hashes <julian@invalid>
    Re: ordered hashes <michaelgang@gmail.com>
    Re: ordered hashes <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
    Re: ordered hashes <julian@invalid>
    Re: ordered hashes <julian@invalid>
    Re: ordered hashes <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
        perl debugger problem <michaelgang@gmail.com>
    Re: perl debugger problem <Peter@PSDT.com>
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@seesig.invalid
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 01:12:16 -0800 (PST)
From: david <michaelgang@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: debug cgi programs with post forms
Message-Id: <4a46c102-e1ac-497f-b335-d1582ddee565@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

On Nov 20, 6:27=A0pm, xhos...@gmail.com wrote:
> david <michaelg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
>
> > How do idebugcgiprograms where the html contains a post form ?
> > If it contains a get form it is easy because i can run perl -d from
> > the command line.
> > In this case i have a very large form with many variables and it is a
> > post form.
>
> Does it have file upload fields?
>
> > How can idebugit ?
>
> What kind of bugs are you looking for?
>
> > I made a google search and found answers like printing the environment
> > variables and then run it like a get command with perl -d but this is
> > a bit tedious.
> > Is there a "best practice" for this type of problem ?
>
> I find the best practice is not making bugs in the first place. :)
>
> I also often add code to theCGIto process secret debugging parameter,
> which turns on strategically placed extra print or warn statements.
>
> warn "Now I'm doing $foo" if $cgi->url_param('debug');
>
> If you really want todebugunder -d, then you can run the program using
> $cgi->save($file_handle) to save the query and then perl -d script.cgi<
> saved_query_file
>
> (this won't work with file upload fields, as the file contents are not
> saved.)
>
> Where the script useCGIhas been changed to something like:
> useCGIqw(-debug);
>
> Xho
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I have now another problem. The $cgi->save($file_handle) does not save
cookie data. How it is possible to work with it when using also cookie
data ?


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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 03:26:47 -0700
From: George <george@example.invalid>
Subject: Re: herding ones and zeroes into bytes
Message-Id: <1c1rd47fwzfyz$.1i0h86edbd7km.dlg@40tude.net>

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 21:03:36 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 20:35:46 -0700, George <george@example.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>I continue to try to implement a black word/white word encoding similar to 
>>the treatment given in chp. 18 of _unleashed_.
>>
>>#include <stdio.h>
>>#include <stdlib.h>
>>
>>#define PATH "george.txt"
>>#define NUMBER 100
>>#define MAXFMTLEN 2000
>>
>>int main(void)
>>{
>>  FILE *fp;
>>  char pattern[MAXFMTLEN];
>>  char lbin[NUMBER];
>>  char line[MAXFMTLEN];
>>
>>  if ((fp = fopen(PATH, "r")) == NULL ) {
>>    fprintf(stderr, "can't open file\n");
>>    exit(1);
>>  }
>>
>>  sprintf(pattern, "%%*s %%%ds", NUMBER-1);
>>
>>
>>   
>> while(fgets(line, MAXFMTLEN, fp) == line){
>>    sscanf(line, pattern , lbin);
>>    
>>    printf("%s\n", lbin);
>>  }
>>  
>>
>>
>>  fclose(fp);
>>  return 0;
>>}
>>
>>// gcc -o x.exe chad6.c
>>
>>output is:
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>gcc -o x.exe chad6.c
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>x
>>0001000000000000001
>>0001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>10000011001000000000000001
>>100000001111100
>>100000001111100
>>100000001111100
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>1000001110110111100000000000001
>>0001000000000000001
>>
>>The next step is to herd these into bytes.  I tried to follow what Jack 
>>Klein does, but his encode.c is too complex for me to follow, and it's 20 
>>K.  I'm able to do it in fortran and know that the file I want looks like:
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>od -tx1 -Ax -v bin3.dat
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>dump bin3.dat
>>
>>000000 0d 0a 10 00 22 00 06 0c 80 01 83 20 00 60 c8 00
>>000010 18 32 00 06 0c 80 01 83 20 00 60 c8 00 18 32 00
>>000020 06 03 e4 20 c8 0f 90 76 f0 00 60 ed e0 00 c1 db
>>000030 c0 01 83 b7 80 03 20 6f 00 06 0e de 00 08 80 01
>>000040
>>
>>, without the initial crlf.  I added that because encode.c to try to be 
>>kosher with the usage (it would make my code garbage).  Maybe, hints of of 
>>why I don't succeed follow:
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>gcc encode1.c -o prog.exe
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>prog
>>usage: encode binary-input-file, t4-output-file
>>
>>C:\MinGW\source>prog bin3.dat out.t4
>>encoded 0 rows from bin3.dat to out.t4
>>
>>
>>It's kind of a rambling post; let me restate my intent.  I'd like to herd 
>>the ones and zeroes in  char lbin[NUMBER] into bytes. I have 8 bit bytes, 
>>but there isn't any reason not to write it portably.  The final byte is to 
>>be padded with zeroes to the left.  The output I believe to be correct is 
>>the last 62 values in the hex dump.
>>
>>Thanks for your comment.
> 
> Hey, just a reminder this is not a C group, although this is easy to
> do in Perl. I have no idea what your trying to accomplish but
> here is a free extension course:
> 
> char *Bits =
> "0001000000000000001\
> 0001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 10000011001000000000000001\
> 100000001111100\
> 100000001111100\
> 100000001111100\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 1000001110110111100000000000001\
> 0001000000000000001";
> 
> 	printf ("\nlength Bits = %d\nBits = %s", strlen(Bits), Bits);
> 	
> 	if (0)
> 		for (int i=0; i<strlen(Bits); i+=8)
> 		{
> 			char sbyte[9] = "00000000";
> 			strncpy(sbyte, &Bits[i], 8);
> 			int byte = 0;
> 			for (int d=7; d>=0; d--)
> 				byte += ((sbyte[d]-'0')<<(7-d));
> 			printf ("%02x   %s\n", byte, sbyte);
> 		}
> 	// or simply:
> 	for (int i=0; i<strlen(Bits); i+=8)
> 	{
> 		int byte = 0;
> 		for (int d=7; d>=0; d--)
> 			byte += ((Bits[i+d]-'0')<<(7-d));
> 		printf ("%02x\n", byte);
> 	}
> 
> sln


C:\MinGW\source> perl sln1.pl
Operator or semicolon missing before *Bits at sln1.pl line 1.
Ambiguous use of * resolved as operator * at sln1.pl line 1.
Bareword found where operator expected at sln1.pl line 32, near ")
                                byte"
        (Missing operator before byte?)
Bareword found where operator expected at sln1.pl line 40, near ")
                        byte"
        (Missing operator before byte?)
Can't modify multiplication (*) in scalar assignment at sln1.pl line 21,
near "0
001000000000000001";"
  (Might be a runaway multi-line "" string starting on line 2)
syntax error at sln1.pl line 26, near ")
                for "
syntax error at sln1.pl line 27, near "8)
                "
syntax error at sln1.pl line 29, near "&Bits["
syntax error at sln1.pl line 32, near ")
                                byte "
syntax error at sln1.pl line 40, near ")
                        byte "
Execution of sln1.pl aborted due to compilation errors.

C:\MinGW\source>
-- 
George

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assassins. The killers will fail, and the Iraqi people will live in
freedom.
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:22:30 +0100
From: Julian <julian@invalid>
Subject: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <493e46e6$0$2850$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>

Hi,
Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?

For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record with 
a fixed number of fields.

Here are some solutions but I don't find them very elegant:

Solution 1:
Two arrays: the first array holds the keys, the second array holds the 
values.

my @arrkeys = ("first name", "age", "food"....)
my @arrvalues = ("joe", 39, "corn flakes",...)


Solution 2:
An array of hashes:
my @orderedhash = (
	{ FieldName => "first name", Value => "Joe" },
	{ FieldName => "age", Value => 39 },
	...
);

Solution 3:
An array to keep the order of the field, and then a hash.
my @fieldnames = ( "first name", "age", "food",...);
my %h = { "first name" => "joe", "age" => 39,...)

TIA


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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:26:27 -0800 (PST)
From: david <michaelgang@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <da17b9eb-5e4c-4626-811a-f79727fa41e5@m2g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>

On Dec 9, 12:22=A0pm, Julian <julian@invalid> wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?
>
> For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record with
> a fixed number of fields.
>
> Here are some solutions but I don't find them very elegant:
>
> Solution 1:
> Two arrays: the first array holds the keys, the second array holds the
> values.
>
> my @arrkeys =3D ("first name", "age", "food"....)
> my @arrvalues =3D ("joe", 39, "corn flakes",...)
>
> Solution 2:
> An array of hashes:
> my @orderedhash =3D (
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 { FieldName =3D> "first name", Value =3D> "Joe" },
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 { FieldName =3D> "age", Value =3D> 39 },
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ...
> );
>
> Solution 3:
> An array to keep the order of the field, and then a hash.
> my @fieldnames =3D ( "first name", "age", "food",...);
> my %h =3D { "first name" =3D> "joe", "age" =3D> 39,...)
>
> TIA

why do you need an ordered hash ?
What are you trying to achieve in the program


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:36:04 +0000
From: bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Subject: Re: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <Uq-dneJB0JiqxKPUnZ2dnUVZ8v-dnZ2d@posted.plusnet>

Julian wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?
> 
> For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record with 
> a fixed number of fields.


That's a 2D array.

   BugBear


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:41:17 +0100
From: Julian <julian@invalid>
Subject: Re: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <493e757c$0$2846$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>

bugbear a écrit :
> Julian wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?
>>
>> For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record 
>> with a fixed number of fields.
> 
> 
> That's a 2D array.
> 

yes, the file is a 2D array. But I'm processing one line at a time (the 
files I'm processing can have hundreds of thousands records).
A line is a 1D array.
But for example the 24th field is the social security number, the 25th 
field is the wage, and so on.
In my program I don't want to write $arr[23] = ..., $arr[24]=...
A hash of some kind is more appropriate:
$current_record{SSNumber} = ... , $current_record{Wage} = ...




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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:50:50 +0100
From: Julian <julian@invalid>
Subject: Re: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <493e77ba$0$2846$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>

david a écrit :
> On Dec 9, 12:22 pm, Julian <julian@invalid> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?
>>
>> For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record with
>> a fixed number of fields.
>>
>> Here are some solutions but I don't find them very elegant:
>>
>> Solution 1:
>> Two arrays: the first array holds the keys, the second array holds the
>> values.
>>
>> my @arrkeys = ("first name", "age", "food"....)
>> my @arrvalues = ("joe", 39, "corn flakes",...)
>>
>> Solution 2:
>> An array of hashes:
>> my @orderedhash = (
>>         { FieldName => "first name", Value => "Joe" },
>>         { FieldName => "age", Value => 39 },
>>         ...
>> );
>>
>> Solution 3:
>> An array to keep the order of the field, and then a hash.
>> my @fieldnames = ( "first name", "age", "food",...);
>> my %h = { "first name" => "joe", "age" => 39,...)
>>
>> TIA
> 
> why do you need an ordered hash ?
> What are you trying to achieve in the program

It's a generic question. I often manipulate csv files or tab-separated 
files, where each field has some semantic. When I read or write a line, 
I need an array. But when I work on the values of the fields I prefer to 
work on a variable whose name has a meaning rather than on n'th element 
of the array.


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:57:50 -0800
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ordered hashes
Message-Id: <a0usj4t66a98hh1iktbrqfq3jiethrmt5r@4ax.com>

Julian <julian@invalid> wrote:
>bugbear a écrit :
>> Julian wrote:
>>> Is there a best practice to implement an "ordered hash" in Perl?
>>>
>>> For example I need to manipulate a csv file: each line is a record 
>>> with a fixed number of fields.
>> 
>> That's a 2D array.
>> 
>
>yes, the file is a 2D array. But I'm processing one line at a time (the 
>files I'm processing can have hundreds of thousands records).
>A line is a 1D array.

Then I misunderstand your intial question, too.

>But for example the 24th field is the social security number, the 25th 
>field is the wage, and so on.

Why would you want to order SSN and wage? WIth extremely few exceptions
the SSN will always be larger than the wage.

>In my program I don't want to write $arr[23] = ..., $arr[24]=...
>A hash of some kind is more appropriate:
>$current_record{SSNumber} = ... , $current_record{Wage} = ...

Ok, then, why don't you do it? Where is the problem?

jue


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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 00:57:23 -0800 (PST)
From: david <michaelgang@gmail.com>
Subject: perl debugger problem
Message-Id: <4ef0b903-ac72-4e81-afdf-b5154b171575@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

Hi all,

I have the following problem.
In the perl debugger when using the m  command on a module it spawns
me the following error.

Not a subroutine reference at perl5db.pl line 7930.

I googled and searched here and in perlmonks and did not found an
answer.

I am using perl 5.10 on a linux machine.

Thanks,
David


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:04:59 GMT
From: Peter Scott <Peter@PSDT.com>
Subject: Re: perl debugger problem
Message-Id: <fWu%k.14629$yB4.9628@newsfe07.iad>

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:57:23 -0800, david wrote:
> In the perl debugger when using the m  command on a module it spawns me
> the following error.
> 
> Not a subroutine reference at perl5db.pl line 7930.
> 
> I googled and searched here and in perlmonks and did not found an
> answer.
> 
> I am using perl 5.10 on a linux machine.

Confirmed.  This is a regression from 5.8.8.  It appears to stem from new 
code in constant.pm.  I shall post a bug report.  Thanks!

-- 
Peter Scott
http://www.perlmedic.com/
http://www.perldebugged.com/


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 08:11:02 GMT
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Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.8 $)
Message-Id: <qKp%k.6430$hc1.1123@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>

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AUTHOR
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-- 
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 02:49:03 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Farber" <Alexander.Farber@gmail.com>
Subject: Using integers up to 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Message-Id: <dad09444-869b-49a8-a858-e9ec399d36ca@k36g2000pri.googlegroups.com>

Hello perl users,

I'm programming a card game were 32 cards are used.

I'd like to represent each of those cards by a bit,
because it makes several things easier for me
(for example I can set a mask for a user,
restricting the cards she can play at some moment)

Unfortunately constants like these:

use constant ALL_CARDS  => 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF;  # line 46
use constant ALL_SPADES => 0x1111111111111111
use constant ALL_CLUBS  => 0x2222222222222222
use constant ALL_DIAMONDS => 0x4444444444444444
use constant ALL_HEARTS => 0x8888888888888888

give me errors:

Integer overflow in hexadecimal number at Const.pm line 46.
Hexadecimal number > 0xffffffff non-portable at Const.pm line 46.

Does anybody have an advice, how could I handle this best?

I'm using perl 5.8.8 at 32-bit OpenBSD 4.3 (and soon 4.4)

Thank you!
Alex


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:48:40 +0000
From: bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Subject: Re: Using integers up to 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Message-Id: <CNadnUj5KMym96PUnZ2dnUVZ8tDinZ2d@posted.plusnet>

A. Farber wrote:
> Hello perl users,
> 
> I'm programming a card game were 32 cards are used.
> 
> I'd like to represent each of those cards by a bit,
> because it makes several things easier for me
> (for example I can set a mask for a user,
> restricting the cards she can play at some moment)
> 
> Unfortunately constants like these:
> 
> use constant ALL_CARDS  => 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF;  # line 46


How many bits do you think are set in that constant?

   BugBear


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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 05:06:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. Farber" <Alexander.Farber@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Using integers up to 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Message-Id: <d81d85c2-308c-4820-b2b6-24719ad6a3c0@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com>

On 9 Dez., 13:48, bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim> wrote:
> A. Farber wrote:
> > I'm programming a card game were 32 cards are used.
>
> > I'd like to represent each of those cards by a bit,
> > because it makes several things easier for me
> > (for example I can set a mask for a user,
> > restricting the cards she can play at some moment)
>
> > use constant ALL_CARDS  => 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF;  # line 46
>
> How many bits do you think are set in that constant?

Whoops you're right! I need

use constant ALL_CARDS  => 0xFFFFFFFF;

Thank you
Alex


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