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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:09:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest           Fri, 3 Oct 2008     Volume: 11 Number: 1897

Today's topics:
    Re: Basic pattern matching - baffled <63f2-oyik@dea.spamcon.org>
    Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a we <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
    Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a we <ced@blv-sam-01.ca.boeing.com>
    Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a we <cartercc@gmail.com>
        pack and hex <dontmewithme@got.it>
        Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision:  tadmc@seesig.invalid
        Problems flushing my buffer! (perl) <nigel@bouteyres.com>
    Re: Problems flushing my buffer! (perl) <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
    Re: Problems flushing my buffer! (perl) <nigel@bouteyres.com>
    Re: Proxy in perl <bhasin@pacbell.net>
        Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:54:11 -0700
From: Xainin <63f2-oyik@dea.spamcon.org>
Subject: Re: Basic pattern matching - baffled
Message-Id: <hbnbe49flodne47fdo78dg1trb8of7njtl@4ax.com>

xhoster@gmail.com wrote:

>Xainin <63f2-oyik@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
>> Help!  I don't understand why this script:
>>
>> #!perl -w
>>
>> $a = 'C:\WINDOWS';
>> $b = 'C:\WINDOWS';
>>
>> if ( $a =~ /^$b$/i ) {
>>     print "matched '$a' to '$b'\n";
>> }
>> else {
>>     print "UNMATCHED '$a' vs. '$b'\n";
>> }
>
>\W is special in a regex.
>
>>
>> $ta = quotemeta "$a";
>
>$a is not used as a regex, it is treated as a literal string.  Protecting
>characters special to regexes in something not used that way is
>counterproductive.
>
>Xho

Thanks to all - I added strict/warnings and declared with "my", but the
key per your last comment was to change "$ta" to "$a" in my last test and
it works.

-- 
A waist is a terrible thing to mind.


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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:12:07 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@spamweary.invalid>
Subject: Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a web script?
Message-Id: <48e5e1e7$0$15272$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>


C.DeRykus wrote:
> On Oct 2, 11:50 am, cartercc <carte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can I assign a function to a scalar as a ref in a module file and call
>> the function by using the scalar in a heredoc?This is for a web app. I
>> have three components, a module, a CGI script, and a database. This is
>> a front end to a database which runs select, update, insert, and
>> delete queries and displays the results.
>>
>> I have a bunch of standard functions in the module, such as
>> print_header(), print_footer(), print_link(), connect_to_database(),
>> etc., along with some global variables.
>>
>> I have a CGI script that starts off like this:
>> use CGI;
>> use DBI;
>> use WebModule;
>> And mostly consists of a heredocs that output pure html.
>>
>> And I have a database (Postgres).
>>
>> The CGI script contains mostly forms for passing data to the
>> database.  I'm using heredocs to spit out the html. I'm finding that I
>> am repeating a bunch of code, six times now, which looks like this:
>>  <td><select name="postype">
>>                         <option>Classified</option>
>>                         <option>Faculty</option>
>>                         <option>Lecturer</option>
>>                         <option>PartTime</option>
>>                         <option>Professional</option>
>>                         <option>RFP</option>
>>                         <option>Vacant</option>
>>                     </select>
>>                     </td>
>>
>> I can create a function that prints this to the html document, but
>> that involves ending the heredoc, calling the function, and then
>> starting the heredoc, like this:
>>
>> print <<form;
>>   <!-- pure html -->
>> form
>>   print_select_element_in_form();
>> print <<form;
>>   <!-- more pure html -->
>> form
>>
>> Here is the question: Can I assign this function to a scalar ref in my
>> module file and call the function by using the scalar in the heredoc?
>> I'm slightly frustrated as I have spent most of the morning in a
>> futile attempt to do this (and I'm sure that I'm making some stupid
>> mistake, or maybe it can't be done.)
>>
> 
> Not much easier on the eyes but
> you could pare down to a single
> print with a stacked heredoc:
> 
> print <<FORM, func(), <<FORM;
> foo bar
> FORM
> bat boom
> FORM
> 

my $optionlist=func(); print <<FORM
foo bar
$optionlist
bat boom
FORM

Is there anything inherently wrong with this?

-- 
RGB


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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "C.DeRykus" <ced@blv-sam-01.ca.boeing.com>
Subject: Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a web script?
Message-Id: <02484d3d-8049-4db9-8517-a70bb0cc2dae@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Oct 3, 2:12 am, RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBr...@spamweary.invalid>
wrote:
> C.DeRykus wrote:
>...
>
> > Not much easier on the eyes but
> > you could pare down to a single
> > print with a stacked heredoc:
>
> > print <<FORM, func(), <<FORM;
> > foo bar
> > FORM
> > bat boom
> > FORM
>
> my $optionlist=func(); print <<FORM
> foo bar
> $optionlist
> bat boom
> FORM
>
> Is there anything inherently wrong with this?
>

Yes, that's better if there are multiple interpolations of the
same variable and then you don't
need to stack heredoc's at all.

But there was some doubt:

 BenM> If the repeated HTML really
 BenM>  is the same every time you
 BenM> can simply assign it to a
 BenM>  variable and interpolate
 BenM> that ... otherwise, the only
 BenM> way to interpolate random
 BenM> expressions.

If random though, a stacked heredoc
with a single print is simpler
than the OP's code IMO. The suggested HTML::Template may be best in
the long run.

--
Charles DeRykus



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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: cartercc <cartercc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Can I use a function ref to call a function in a web script?
Message-Id: <ed65cdf8-9fc5-450a-b2c0-8b358c8b0e56@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>

On Oct 3, 5:12=A0am, RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBr...@spamweary.invalid>
wrote:
> my $optionlist=3Dfunc(); print <<FORM
> foo bar
> $optionlist
> bat boom
> FORM
>
> Is there anything inherently wrong with this?

No, there isn't. I had never used a $scalar to hold multi-line text
before, but following Ben's suggestion I assigned the entire <select>
element to a variable in the module and it worked just as I had
wanted. I didn't realize that you could do this, but now I know.

I've been playing with Lisp a lot for a few months, and am noticing a
certain amount of commonality between Lisp and Perl. Writing functions
that return data is (obviously) a common Lisp idiom, and I've been
trying to do the same in Perl. I guess that this is something that one
language supports but another language does not.

On another (longish) note, we seem to have a number of paradigms for
web applications. Roughly, they seem to fall into these categories
(the names are merely suggestive):
1. Flash - creating movies that stand in for web sites.
2. Visual (Dreamweaver, FrontPage), etc) - creating web sites by using
point and click tools.
3. Hand Coding - the way we used to do it.
4. Templating (PHP, ColdFusion, JSP, etc.) - writing web pages that
incorporate snippets of code. You write the HTML and where ever you
want functionality you insert a tag that does what you want.
5. Programming (CGI inc. Perl and Python) - writing programs that
produce HTML as output. You write the code and where ever you want
HTML you write a procedure that outputs HTML.

It seems to me that web apps that are data driven rely mostly on
Templating and Programming. By inclination and philosophy, I much
prefer Programming to Templating, although Templating seems to be used
much more than Programming. Maybe it's how we view user interfaces. I
see a user interface as incidental to the data and functionality and
like to focus on getting the requirements in code before considering
the user interface. Most of my colleagues seem to focus on the
interface first and concentrate on the functionality later (not that
we could ever make a clean cut distinction between functionality and
interface.)

Comments?

CC


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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:16:52 +0200
From: Larry <dontmewithme@got.it>
Subject: pack and hex
Message-Id: <dontmewithme-62C426.12165203102008@news.tin.it>

Hi,

  before I go into my questions here's a little excerpt from a web site: 
http://www.id3.org/id3v2-00

"The ID3 tag size is encoded with four bytes where the first bit (bit 7) 
is set to zero in every byte, making a total of 28 bits. The zeroed bits 
are ignored, so a 257 bytes long tag is represented as $00 00 02 01."

"The reason to use 28 bits (representing up to 256MB) for size 
description is that we don't want to run out of space here."

I tried to convert 00 00 02 01 from hex to decimal by using my calc and 
it gave me 513 not 257

In order to get 257 I should have done 00 00 01 01, what am I doing 
wrong?

is there anyway to have "pack" to get round it?

Here's a little more from the web site:

"The three character frame identifier is followed by a three byte size 
descriptor, making a total header size of six bytes in every frame."

is there anyway to have "pack" to get round this? a number value into 3 
bytes? $00 $00 $00 ??

thanks ever so much!


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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:15:22 GMT
From: tadmc@seesig.invalid
Subject: Posting Guidelines for comp.lang.perl.misc ($Revision: 1.8 $)
Message-Id: <eEjFk.1689$fD.1345@flpi145.ffdc.sbc.com>

Outline
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       - Sending a "stealth" Cc copy
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 02:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nigel <nigel@bouteyres.com>
Subject: Problems flushing my buffer! (perl)
Message-Id: <32735b58-dfa2-4f68-a920-37dba8cdfdd1@p49g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>

Hi there,

I hope you can help - I'm writing a perl program and I want it report
back to the browser
on its progress. I read the perl faq and saw that by setting $| true
the buffer would be
flushed each time I printed instead of waiting until the program
terminates. But I can't
get it to work.

I'm expecting the web page to say that it's on the job, then every
second (for 10 seconds) to say Please Wait and then at the end to say
it's finished. But what happens is I wait ten seconds for a response
and the whole lot appears at once. Any advice would be VERY welcome.

Here is my VERY basic program...

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use CGI::Carp qw(fatalsToBrowser);
use CGI qw(:standard escape escapeHTML);

# Force the buffer to flush
$|++;

my $i;

print << "EOF";

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://
www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en">
<head>
<title>Test Buffer</title>
</head>
<body>
Working on it!<br />
EOF

for ($i=0;$i<10;$i++) {
  print "Please wait!<br />\n";
  sleep 1;
};

print << "EOF";
All Done!
</body>
</html>

EOF

exit (0);


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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 04:30:39 -0700
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Problems flushing my buffer! (perl)
Message-Id: <t40ce419pskr5p6ltlig6h87ul0qnf5qgr@4ax.com>

Nigel <nigel@bouteyres.com> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I hope you can help - I'm writing a perl program and I want it report
>back to the browser
>on its progress. I read the perl faq and saw that by setting $| true
>the buffer would be
>flushed each time I printed instead of waiting until the program
>terminates. But I can't
>get it to work.
>
>I'm expecting the web page to say that it's on the job, then every
>second (for 10 seconds) to say Please Wait and then at the end to say
>it's finished. But what happens is I wait ten seconds for a response
>and the whole lot appears at once. Any advice would be VERY welcome.

The whole lot appears at once _WHERE_?

Run your sample program from the command line and you will notice,that
there is the desired one second pause between each  "Please wait!<br
/>".

Of course your web server typically will not transmit the HTTP response
in such small chuncks but wait until it recieves EOF. And a web browser
may not display any HTML-page until it has been downloaded completely.
But neither of these has _ANYTHING_ to do with Perl but would happen
exactly the same way no matter in which programming language the CGI
program was written in.

jue


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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 06:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nigel <nigel@bouteyres.com>
Subject: Re: Problems flushing my buffer! (perl)
Message-Id: <d1c7e452-32df-4985-a211-050e280d0656@u28g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

On Oct 3, 1:30=A0pm, J=FCrgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nigel <ni...@bouteyres.com> wrote:
> >Hi there,
>
> >I hope you can help - I'm writing a perl program and I want it report
> >back to the browser
> >on its progress. I read the perl faq and saw that by setting $| true
> >the buffer would be
> >flushed each time I printed instead of waiting until the program
> >terminates. But I can't
> >get it to work.
>
> >I'm expecting the web page to say that it's on the job, then every
> >second (for 10 seconds) to say Please Wait and then at the end to say
> >it's finished. But what happens is I wait ten seconds for a response
> >and the whole lot appears at once. Any advice would be VERY welcome.
>
> The whole lot appears at once _WHERE_?
>
> Run your sample program from the command line and you will notice,that
> there is the desired one second pause between each =A0"Please wait!<br
> />".
>
> Of course your web server typically will not transmit the HTTP response
> in such small chuncks but wait until it recieves EOF. And a web browser
> may not display any HTML-page until it has been downloaded completely.
> But neither of these has _ANYTHING_ to do with Perl but would happen
> exactly the same way no matter in which programming language the CGI
> program was written in.
>
> jue

To clarify - it all appears at once in my web browser.

So it seems I must rephrase my question and perhaps address it to a
different Group as apparently the problem isn't with my Perl as
such...but I am writing this in Perl so I guess I still have a Perl
related question: Is it possible to achieve what I want i.e. to
request my perl program from my browser and have the program tell me
the progress it is making from time to time and have that appear in my
browser in real time? My impression from what I read in the faq (and
elsewhere) was that such a thing IS possible, but perhaps I've
misunderstood. In the worked examples I saw, they talked about
'Forking' - which I understand to mean that one part of the program
responds to the browser, whilst another part carries on with the
processing. I have to say I couldn't really get my head around the
examples I saw which is why I was trying to start off simple! Thanks
for the response anyway.


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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 05:43:36 -0700
From: secSwami <bhasin@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Proxy in perl
Message-Id: <48E61378.5050406@pacbell.net>

Ben Morrow wrote:
> Quoth secSwami <bhasin@pacbell.net>:
>> Thanks Tim and Martein for your reponses on this.  Here is what I am 
>> doing to setup a simple proxy on my box localy using HTTP::Proxy module.
>>
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> use HTTP::Proxy;
>>
>>
>> my $proxy=HTTP::Proxy->new (port => 3128);
>>
>> $proxy->start;
>>
>>
>> Just these 4 lines starts up the proxy server on my local machine 
>> listening on port 3128 and then I point my browser's proxy setting to 
>> "localhost" and port "3128".  This all works great.  No issues there.
>>
>> However, I would like to see the URL that the user just typed in the 
>> broswer and then take the URL and see if another upstream server app 
>> thinks its blocked or not (a central server) and if the central server 
>> returns a block then spit that out to the users browser. How can I 
>> intercept the user request? and see what that request was in the code above.
> 
> You need to use the ->push_filter method on the proxy object before you
> call ->start. See the documentation for HTTP::Proxy.
> 
> Ben
> 

Thanks Ben.  I will give it a shot.


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