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Re: array comparision <whynot@pozharski.name>
Re: array comparision <mstep@podiuminternational.org>
Calling Another Application From Perl <no_spam@127.0.0.1>
Re: Calling Another Application From Perl xhoster@gmail.com
Re: FAQ 4.2 Why is int() broken? <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Re: FAQ 4.75 How do I define methods for every class/ob <ben@morrow.me.uk>
new CPAN modules on Sun Aug 17 2008 (Randal Schwartz)
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to sln@netherlands.com
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to sln@netherlands.com
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:19:53 +0300
From: Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>
Subject: Re: array comparision
Message-Id: <prljn5xk21.ln2@carpet.zombinet>
Marek <mstep@podiuminternational.org> wrote:
*SKIP*
> for (@array1) { push @array3, $_ if $_ =~ /^\d+(?:\.\d+)?$/ };
Be prepared to have problems with that naive parsing. I don't say that
that will fail for sure, but your data seems to be quite irregular.
There can be Easter Eggs.
Personally, I would match the whole line against complex RE with grabs
and then C<push @array1, [ $1, $2, $3 ]>. Though that's my personal
disease.
*SKIP*
> $same = $same && @array3 == @array4;
There's something strange. The left part of C<&&> isn't comparision.
It's assignment (you know).
> # this compares only the number of elements of these arrays.
> # how to iterate over each element and compare them?
L<Array::Compare>?
*CUT*
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Marek <mstep@podiuminternational.org>
Subject: Re: array comparision
Message-Id: <b13b95f8-2bca-4e1e-b2b6-2e12b27fdddc@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
Thank you all for your great answers! I learned a lot!
greetigs from Munich
marek
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:52:20 -0500
From: "M" <no_spam@127.0.0.1>
Subject: Calling Another Application From Perl
Message-Id: <z6qdnQTWIb7NGTrVnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@posted.haugcommunications>
I want to call scp to transfer a file to another server.
open(OUT, "|scp $backup_file $user\@$server:./");
print OUT "$pass\n";
close OUT;
This does not work though. SCP does not allow to specify the password
rather it prompts for it. Is there anyway to answer the prompt for password
with perl?
M
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Date: 17 Aug 2008 02:20:35 GMT
From: xhoster@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Calling Another Application From Perl
Message-Id: <20080816222039.505$Xg@newsreader.com>
"M" <no_spam@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> I want to call scp to transfer a file to another server.
>
> open(OUT, "|scp $backup_file $user\@$server:./");
> print OUT "$pass\n";
> close OUT;
You can probably configure scp to use stored ssh keys, no passwords
required.
> This does not work though. SCP does not allow to specify the password
> rather it prompts for it. Is there anyway to answer the prompt for
> password with perl?
Expect.pm
Xho
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:00:03 -0400
From: John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.2 Why is int() broken?
Message-Id: <48a78623$0$20933$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Martijn Lievaart wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:32:41 +0200, Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>
>> On 2008-07-30 19:50, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> Peter J. Holzer wrote:
>>>> On 2008-07-30 14:03, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> However, Intel is dragging its feet on adding decimal floating point,
>>>>> per IEEE-754r.
>>>> If there truly is demand for this, then that's good for IBM. They can
>>>> sell lots of Power6 boxes.
>>> And z/Architecture.
>> z/Architecture isn't exactly mass-market.
>
> Well, not mass market, but gaining in popularity pretty fast. You won't
> have one at home presumably, but all gigs I worked at the past ten years
> had several of those. Yes several, running multiple virtual machines.
>
> OTOH, those virtual machines typically ran AIX (or linux) and did not
> take advantage (AFAIK) of the decimal floating point at all.
But the decimal floating point feature is much less than ten years old,
so it's natural that it's not going to get much use until languages
start to be updated to support it. It's going to take a while in typed
languages, and untyped languages like Perl and Ruby are going to need
some philosophical examination. PL/I is about the only language that was
prepared.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and
Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes.
The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being
corrected."
-- G. K. Chesterton
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:34:03 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.75 How do I define methods for every class/object?
Message-Id: <bpbkn5-u341.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth PerlFAQ Server <brian@stonehenge.com>:
>
> 4.75: How do I define methods for every class/object?
>
> Use the "UNIVERSAL" class (see UNIVERSAL).
Ouch! Should this *really* be recommended in the FAQ?
Ben
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:42:22 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Sun Aug 17 2008
Message-Id: <K5qAEM.1I95@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
Apache2-ASP-1.59
http://search.cpan.org/~johnd/Apache2-ASP-1.59/
Perl extension for ASP on mod_perl2.
----
Audio-MPD-0.19.4
http://search.cpan.org/~jquelin/Audio-MPD-0.19.4/
class to talk to MPD (Music Player Daemon) servers
----
Benchmark-Apps-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~ambs/Benchmark-Apps-0.01/
Simple interface to benchmark applications.
----
Benchmark-Apps-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~ambs/Benchmark-Apps-0.02/
Simple interface to benchmark applications.
----
CGI-Imagemap-2.01
http://search.cpan.org/~jpierce/CGI-Imagemap-2.01/
interpret NCSA imagemaps for CGI programs
----
CGI-Lazy-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~vayde/CGI-Lazy-0.06/
----
CGI-Lazy-0.07
http://search.cpan.org/~vayde/CGI-Lazy-0.07/
----
CGI-Lazy-ModPerl-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~vayde/CGI-Lazy-ModPerl-0.03/
----
Catalyst-Controller-POD-0.02002
http://search.cpan.org/~perler/Catalyst-Controller-POD-0.02002/
Serves PODs right from your Catalyst application
----
DBD-SQLite-Amalgamation-3.6.1.2
http://search.cpan.org/~audreyt/DBD-SQLite-Amalgamation-3.6.1.2/
Single C-file based DBD::SQLite distribution
----
DateTime-Format-Natural-0.72
http://search.cpan.org/~schubiger/DateTime-Format-Natural-0.72/
Create machine readable date/time with natural parsing logic
----
ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.24
http://search.cpan.org/~kwilliams/ExtUtils-CBuilder-0.24/
Compile and link C code for Perl modules
----
Finance-Bank-Cahoot-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~masaccio/Finance-Bank-Cahoot-1.01/
Check your Cahoot bank accounts from Perl
----
Getopt-Chain-0.002
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Getopt-Chain-0.002/
Option and subcommand processing in the style svn(1) and git(1)
----
Getopt-Chain-0.003
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Getopt-Chain-0.003/
Option and subcommand processing in the style svn(1) and git(1)
----
Google-SAML-Response-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~manni/Google-SAML-Response-0.05/
Generate signed XML documents as SAML responses for Google's SSO implementation
----
Hash-Param-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Hash-Param-0.02/
CGI/Catalyst::Request-like parameter-hash accessor/mutator
----
Hash-Param-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Hash-Param-0.03/
CGI/Catalyst::Request-like parameter-hash accessor/mutator
----
Hash-Slice-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Hash-Slice-0.03/
Make a hash from a deep slice of another hash
----
JavaScript-Dumper-0.004
http://search.cpan.org/~perler/JavaScript-Dumper-0.004/
Dump JavaScript data structures from Perl objects. Allows unquoted strings and numbers.
----
Log-Log4perl-Appender-Stomp-0.0.1
http://search.cpan.org/~aflott/Log-Log4perl-Appender-Stomp-0.0.1/
Log messages via STOMP
----
Module-Inspector-1.05
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Module-Inspector-1.05/
An integrated API for inspecting Perl distributions
----
Module-Math-Depends-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Module-Math-Depends-0.02/
Convenience object for manipulating module dependencies
----
Module-Release-2.00_03
http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Module-Release-2.00_03/
Automate software releases
----
MogileFS-Utils-2.13
http://search.cpan.org/~dormando/MogileFS-Utils-2.13/
Command line utilities for the MogileFS distributed file system.
----
Net-IMAP-Server-1.00
http://search.cpan.org/~alexmv/Net-IMAP-Server-1.00/
A single-threaded multiplexing IMAP server implementation, using Net::Server::Coro.
----
Net-IMAP-Server-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~alexmv/Net-IMAP-Server-1.01/
A single-threaded multiplexing IMAP server implementation, using Net::Server::Coro.
----
Net-Twitter-Search-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~shiny/Net-Twitter-Search-0.01/
----
Net-Twitter-Search-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~shiny/Net-Twitter-Search-0.02/
----
Net-Twitter-Search-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~shiny/Net-Twitter-Search-0.03/
----
Net-Twitter-Search-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~shiny/Net-Twitter-Search-0.04/
----
Object-Tiny-1.06
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Object-Tiny-1.06/
Class building as simple as it gets
----
OpenGuides-0.63
http://search.cpan.org/~dom/OpenGuides-0.63/
A complete web application for managing a collaboratively-written guide to a city or town.
----
POE-Component-Supervisor-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/POE-Component-Supervisor-0.05/
Erlang inspired babysitting
----
Parse-CPAN-Whois-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~martijn/Parse-CPAN-Whois-0.01/
Parse CPAN's authors/00whois.xml file
----
Path-Abstract-0.093
http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/Path-Abstract-0.093/
Fast and featureful UNIX-style path manipulation
----
Perl-Signature-1.09
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Perl-Signature-1.09/
Generate functional signatures for Perl source code
----
Perl-Squish-1.04
http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/Perl-Squish-1.04/
Reduce Perl code to a few characters as possible
----
PerlIO-via-EscStatus-2
http://search.cpan.org/~kryde/PerlIO-via-EscStatus-2/
dumb terminal status display layer
----
Socket6-0.21
http://search.cpan.org/~umemoto/Socket6-0.21/
IPv6 related part of the C socket.h defines and structure manipulators
----
Statistics-Zscore-0.00002
http://search.cpan.org/~miki/Statistics-Zscore-0.00002/
Simple scoring module that uses statistics STANDARD SCORE.
----
Term-Size-0.207
http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Term-Size-0.207/
Retrieve terminal size (Unix version)
----
Term-Size-Win32-0.208
http://search.cpan.org/~ferreira/Term-Size-Win32-0.208/
Retrieve terminal size (on Windows)
----
Tk-Pod-0.9939_51
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-Pod-0.9939_51/
Pod browser toplevel widget
----
Tk-Pod-0.9939_52
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-Pod-0.9939_52/
Pod browser toplevel widget
----
Tk-Pod-0.9939_53
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-Pod-0.9939_53/
Pod browser toplevel widget
----
Unicode-Properties-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~bkb/Unicode-Properties-0.01/
find out what properties a character has
----
Unicode-Properties-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~bkb/Unicode-Properties-0.02/
find out what properties a character has
----
WWW-Myspace-0.84
http://search.cpan.org/~grantg/WWW-Myspace-0.84/
Access MySpace.com profile information from Perl
----
Workflow-0.32_3
http://search.cpan.org/~jonasbn/Workflow-0.32_3/
Simple, flexible system to implement workflows
----
XML-LibXML-SAX-ChunkParser-0.00002
http://search.cpan.org/~dmaki/XML-LibXML-SAX-ChunkParser-0.00002/
Parse XML Chunks Via LibXML SAX
----
XML-Rules-1.04
http://search.cpan.org/~jenda/XML-Rules-1.04/
parse XML and specify what and how to keep/process for individual tags
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:46:18 -0400
From: John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <48a782e9$0$20913$607ed4bc@cv.net>
Martijn Lievaart wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:33:30 -0400, John W Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Actually, I was thinking of the 1401. But both the 1620 and the 1401
>> (without the optional Advanced Programming Feature) share the basic
>> omission of any instruction that could do call-and-return without
>> hard-coding an adcon with the address of the point to be returned to.
>> (The Advanced Programming Feature added a 1401 instruction, Store
>> B-address Register, that, executed as the first instruction of a
>> subroutine, could store the return-to address.)
>
> Raaaagh!!!!
>
> Don't. Bring. Back. Those. Nightmares. Please.
>
> The 1401 was a decent enough processor for many industrial tasks -- at
> that time -- but for general programming it was sheer horror.
But the easiest machine language /ever/.
--
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And the heart of our lord Taliessin determined the war."
-- Charles Williams. "Mount Badon"
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:22:04 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's - Action_Memo_Scan_Composite.doc (0/8)
Message-Id: <o98fa4hdem8tk2e1hh8b17stjmknua74l2@4ax.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:23:05 GMT, sln@netherlands.com wrote:
True to my word, a Word doc is attached. It contains low res scans of
my communication with Ashto Tate, and scans of various docs (very old)
that are just a drop in the ocean of the over 6 inch thick of code and docs.
This is unorthadox, its a binary (a word doc) not uuenc translated text.
There are no virus, I wouldn't do that.
You will notice that the program is called "Action Memo" and the database
records are called "Action Items". Thier usage and functionality are absolutely
identical to modern usage as found in large software franchises like Lotus Notes.
You will also notice that I "Copyrighted" it on my single distribution to
Ashton-Tate. Additionally you will notice that Ashton-Tate did not tell me
they would attain those rights. Gee, the Supreme Court declaired that
unconstitutional in the 70's.
I did a search on Yahoo for "Action Memo", there were hundreds of pages,
each %100 in relavence to exactly what my program did. The same for
"Action Item". None of the hits date back to when I wrote this program.
I didn't tradmark my "art"full terms, but I did Copyright my program.
And the name was "Action Memo" with "Action Items" in the database.
I can find no relavent hits before my programs inception date.
In fact, in 1986, I don't know of anyone with INTERNET access, do you?
Maybe usenet, or weird bbs's.
I certainly didn't. This is not something I stole from somebody,
contrarily someone did steal it from me!
Everybody gets thier 15 minutes of fame. This was mine, and I know it.
I feel like the guy who invented the ratchet while working for Sears.
They gave him a bonus. Later, the courts gave him 40 million dollars,
plus life time royalties.
I copyrighted my software (its one of the scans) when I sent it to Ashton-Tate.
The software was extremely sophisticated, even by todays standards. No wonder
the exact constructs are used today in fine detail as to what I composed.
Like I said, I have rheames of evidece of 14" wide tractor green/white
printouts of heavily documented code.
So, If you know a real good lawyer who would like to make a percentage (millions)
can you steer them my way please.
Thank you,
sln
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:39:51 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's - Action_Memo_Scan_Composite.doc (1/8)
Message-Id: <7defa4h737iambjos08lcd9u24eab0rq17@4ax.com>
Are you completely nuts? Some 76000 lines of whatever? Where on earth
did you see "binary" in the title of this NG?
jue
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:31:56 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <ek6fa4pjlauu0e009e3b0nfm4m99irrske@4ax.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:56:44 GMT, Michael Carman <mjcarman@mchsi.com> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>> Lotus owes me big time royalties..........
>>
>> I am the inventor of Action Memo and Action Item construct's !!!!
>>
>> If you think I am telling the truth, and I am, any lawyers out there
>> willing to take up my case?
>
>Do you even have a case? Did the contest rules say anything about
>copyright? e.g. that you retained it, or that they were free to do
>whatever they wanted with entries? It wouldn't surprise me if it had
>wording indicating the latter.
>
>-mjc
This is a good point, didn't see anything about copyright at any time,
nor notified as of what you said about rules.
Personally, I have never seen a rule that says you give up your copyright
to software ever. If you do, the supreme court will not rule in your favor.
Whitniss China..
Btw, I posted a word doc with scans from the actual communication with Ashton-Tate,
along with some real evidence of truth of my claims. Posted in the outer level.
Thanks,
sln
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:40:05 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <307fa4li13347up4716vkauosim88i4hdi@4ax.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:38:01 -0400, Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "sln" == sln <sln@netherlands.com> writes:
>
> sln> It was recently brought to my attention, that my phrases, my
> sln> software phrase descriptions and in particular "Action Memo",
> sln> "Action Item's" are used heavily in contact management software
> sln> programs.
>
> sln> If the usage in terms did not happen to coincide with the exact
> sln> software functionality, I would have not cared, however it is
> sln> what I invented exactly!
>
>"Action item" is as a management term of art. It is highly doubtful
>that your use of the term was the first, let alone that all the other
>uses of it were inspired by you.
>
> sln> If you think I am telling the truth, and I am, any lawyers out
> sln> there willing to take up my case?
>
>I think a lawyer would tell you that unless you trademarked the term,
>you're out of luck. But I am not a lawyer, and I offer you my advice
>for free, rather than for hundreds of dollars an hour.
>
>Charlton
Thank you for your responce, I appretiate it.
::"Action item" is as a management term of art.
As well as "Action Memo". I thank you for this praise.
I am the artist who invented it.
I've posted a word doc on the outer level that contains
scans that corroborate my inventions.
Thanks,
sln
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:44:26 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <4h7fa4pmid0fuqhidllfh7h40istbemscn@4ax.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:58:39 -0500, Tad J McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com <sln@netherlands.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to post this here, but I only posted this here
>> so ignore if you don't know. This if very OT for a Perl
>> group.
>
>
>You will get more help if you posted to a newsgroup where
>it _was_ on topic...
>
>
>> I am the inventor of Action Memo and Action Item construct's !!!!
>>
>> If you think I am telling the truth, and I am, any lawyers out there
>> willing to take up my case?
>>
>> I have not been to a lawyer. I have all the documents from Ashton Tate
>> for validation, as well as all the source that can be dated.
>
>
>Intellectual property lawyers hang out in:
>
> misc.int-property
I am sorry for being OT here. It won't happen again.
Thank you, Havn't checked that ng but, I may hang for a day watching.
sln
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:53:10 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <7n7fa4llghjb6inc03bsbcmj722a3tna08@4ax.com>
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:55:39 -0400, John W Kennedy <jwkenne@attglobal.net> wrote:
>sln@netherlands.com wrote:
>> It was recently brought to my attention, that my phrases,
>> my software phrase descriptions and in particular "Action Memo",
>> "Action Item's" are used heavily in contact management software
>> programs.
>
>A mere name is neither patentable nor copyrightable. It can be
>trademarked, but you have made no attempt to do so. If you go to a
>lawyer with this story, he will laugh at you and then bill you about
>€350 for wasting his time.
Thanks for your response. Along with the terms you mention, in fact,
I wrote a program with a copyright label, that depicted exactly, the
modern day functions of Action Memo/Item's used in many software titles
today, including Lotus Notes. On the outer level, I've poste a word doc
with some scans. They provide simple evidence. In reality, I've got a
stack of printouts 6 inches thick.
For the corporate world, I guess the terms were too good to substitute.
sln
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:34:01 -0400
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <86r68ogszq.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "sln" == sln <sln@netherlands.com> writes:
sln> ::"Action item" is as a management term of art.
sln> As well as "Action Memo". I thank you for this praise. I am
sln> the artist who invented it.
Er, it's not praise. It is itself a term of art - a phrase that has a
specific technical meaning in a specific context. "Agile," in the
context of software development, is another term of art. "Scrum" is a
term of art both in software engineering and in sport. And so on.
Further, I do not believe that you were the sole inventor of it; to
establish that, you'd have to show that it was not used anywhere else
before you used it, and that all subsequent uses of it can be traced
back to you.
And even then, if you could show that, you didn't trademark it, and you
haven't defended it as a trademark since, and so I don't think you have
a snowflake's chance in hell of doing anything except making lawyers
richer.
But have at it. As noted, I'm not a lawyer.
Charlton
--
Charlton Wilbur
cwilbur@chromatico.net
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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:04:59 GMT
From: sln@netherlands.com
Subject: Re: This is very OT, and its just a request. It has to do with Ashton Tate Framework 2/PC World contest in the 1980's
Message-Id: <5mbfa4dvreni4vruoomsniktrljh32cgjq@4ax.com>
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:34:01 -0400, Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "sln" == sln <sln@netherlands.com> writes:
>
> sln> ::"Action item" is as a management term of art.
>
> sln> As well as "Action Memo". I thank you for this praise. I am
> sln> the artist who invented it.
>
>Er, it's not praise. It is itself a term of art - a phrase that has a
>specific technical meaning in a specific context. "Agile," in the
>context of software development, is another term of art. "Scrum" is a
>term of art both in software engineering and in sport. And so on.
>
>Further, I do not believe that you were the sole inventor of it; to
>establish that, you'd have to show that it was not used anywhere else
>before you used it, and that all subsequent uses of it can be traced
>back to you.
>
>And even then, if you could show that, you didn't trademark it, and you
>haven't defended it as a trademark since, and so I don't think you have
>a snowflake's chance in hell of doing anything except making lawyers
>richer.
>
>But have at it. As noted, I'm not a lawyer.
>
>Charlton
Hey great! Hope you have picked up the scans I posted. I didn't mean
to be flip with you at all. Maybe in 1985, the internet was everywhere
and I just stole my idea from somebody else.
I find it interresting you classify my idea's with the modern day terms
of agile and scrum. Both of which I have intimate knowledge of and have
used at corporations. Both of which suck beyond compare! I feel almost
slighted you would classify my art in that realm.
However, don't be fooled, my software depicts exactly in word and deed
an art used today to a very fine detail. Specifically, Lotus Notes (the big guy).
If you can find a genisis before my proof, then hey, tell me where...
Hey, now you can say you know one of the pioneers of modern day technology.
Who happens to own the technology copyright!
sln
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:34:29 -0500
From: "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <FKidnZBeNYqnATrVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AFB294E84A5castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> What does
>
> perldoc Win32::Sound
>
> report?
>
It lists the documentation for how to use the command. But as I stated,
when I tried the command there was no response. I will give it a few more
tries to see if I might have typed in the code incorrectly or something.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:51:48 -0500
From: "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <IradnaMlysnVPTrVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlink.com>
"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9AFB294E84A5castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> I can't imagine it got removed in Active Perl 5.10 and I am quite sure it
> came with Active Perl 5.6 and 5.8
Problem solved or at least identified.
As stated in other notes, when I tried to get the Sound command to work
there was no response. With a few more tries I found that the command was
actually working. However, even with a 100% volume setting the tone was so
quiet I could not hear it. I turned the Windows volume control up to full
volume and can still barely hear the sound. However, since it is now at
least working it should be possible to find a way to boost the volume.
Thanks for the help.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:06:59 -0500
From: "E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Tone generation question plus Windows XP and Vista information
Message-Id: <-IKdnR7zh6REPjrVnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@earthlink.com>
"E.D.G." <edgrsprj@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:IradnaMlysnVPTrVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Problem solved or at least identified.
>
Also, the Sound command documentation says to use the form
Win32::Sound::Play("file.wav");
I had to use Win32::Sound::Play('file.wav'); for it to work.
Either the documentation needs to be corrected, or different versions of
Perl differ in what they will allow, or there is something else about the
command that I don't presently understand.
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