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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 06:09:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Sun, 15 Jun 2008 Volume: 11 Number: 1643
Today's topics:
Re: How Does One Implement a Timer in Perl? <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
new CPAN modules on Sun Jun 15 2008 (Randal Schwartz)
perl 5.10 <greymausg@mail.com>
Re: perl 5.10 <xemoth@gmail.com>
Re: perl 5.10 <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Re: perl 5.10 <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
rt.cpan.org works ok (was: Re: rt.cpan.org, search.cpan <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
rt.cpan.org, search.cpan.org: why so unuseable? <benkasminbullock@gmail.com>
Re: rt.cpan.org, search.cpan.org: why so unuseable? <bjoern@hoehrmann.de>
Re: sWiddu <ismo@narbe.net>
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:36:52 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: How Does One Implement a Timer in Perl?
Message-Id: <slrng587ek.m05.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-06-14 15:59, Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> Quoth Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>:
>> "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>> >However, that entry doesn't mention select, which seems to be more
>> >appropriate to what the OP has in mind.
>>
>> ???
>> You lost me. How does select help you to suspend execution for a
>> specific amount of time?
>
> select(undef, undef, undef, $timeout) is a standard way of doing
> sub-second sleeps.
Yep. But the real use of select is to wait (with a timeout) until I/O is
possible. And I understand this is what the OP wanted to do. Something
like (using the ooish IO::Select instead of the builtin):
use IO::Select;
...
$select = IO::Select->new()
$select->add($sock);
...
print $sock "ping\n";
my @fh = $select->can_read(5.0);
if (@fh) {
# server has answered, read the response
my $line = $fh[0]->readline;
} else {
# server didn't answer in 5 seconds.
}
This can easily be expanded to multiple I/O channels.
There are some caveats, though. Most importantly, select doesn't know
about buffers, so you may need to use sysread in some cases.
hp
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:42:19 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Sun Jun 15 2008
Message-Id: <K2HMEJ.1DCK@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
API-PleskExpand-1.03
http://search.cpan.org/~nrg/API-PleskExpand-1.03/
OOP interface to the Plesk Expand XML API (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/plesk/expand/).
----
CPU-Z80-Assembler-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~dcantrell/CPU-Z80-Assembler-1.01/
a Z80 assembler
----
Chart-Gnuplot-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~kwmak/Chart-Gnuplot-0.01/
Plot graph using Gnuplot on the fly
----
Class-DBI-Plugin-AsFdat-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Class-DBI-Plugin-AsFdat-0.03/
cdbi meets fillinform
----
Class-DBI-Plugin-DigestColumns-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Class-DBI-Plugin-DigestColumns-0.03/
easy to digest the digest
----
Class-DBI-Plugin-DistinctValues-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Class-DBI-Plugin-DistinctValues-0.02/
You can get unique values of a column
----
Class-DBI-Plugin-RetrieveFromSQL-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Class-DBI-Plugin-RetrieveFromSQL-0.03/
readable retrieve_from_sql plugin for Class::DBI
----
DBIx-Class-ResultSet-HashRef-1.000
http://search.cpan.org/~plu/DBIx-Class-ResultSet-HashRef-1.000/
Adds syntatic sugar to skip the fancy objects
----
DBM-Deep-1.0013
http://search.cpan.org/~rkinyon/DBM-Deep-1.0013/
A pure perl multi-level hash/array DBM that supports transactions
----
Data-SimplePassword-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~ryochin/Data-SimplePassword-0.03/
Simple random password generator
----
Egg-Release-Authorize-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~lushe/Egg-Release-Authorize-0.06/
Package kit for attestation.
----
HTML-Entities-ConvertPictogramMobileJp-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/HTML-Entities-ConvertPictogramMobileJp-0.08/
convert pictogram entities
----
HTTP-Server-Brick-0.1.1
http://search.cpan.org/~aufflick/HTTP-Server-Brick-0.1.1/
Simple pure perl http server for prototyping "in the style of" Ruby's WEBrick
----
HTTP-Server-Brick-0.1.2
http://search.cpan.org/~aufflick/HTTP-Server-Brick-0.1.2/
Simple pure perl http server for prototyping "in the style of" Ruby's WEBrick
----
HTTPx-Dispatcher-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/HTTPx-Dispatcher-0.05/
the uri dispatcher
----
JSON-RPC-Common-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/JSON-RPC-Common-0.01/
Transport agnostic JSON RPC helper objects
----
Jifty-Plugin-AuthzLDAP-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~yvesago/Jifty-Plugin-AuthzLDAP-0.02/
Jifty plugin to a add dynamic ldap authorization
----
Jifty-Plugin-WikiToolbar-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~yvesago/Jifty-Plugin-WikiToolbar-0.01/
Jifty plugin to add a wiki toolbar to your textarea box
----
Language-Kemuri-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Language-Kemuri-0.06/
Kemuri Interpreter.
----
Language-Lisp-ECLs-0.27
http://search.cpan.org/~vkon/Language-Lisp-ECLs-0.27/
Perl extension for ECL lisp
----
Locale-Handle-Pluggable-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/Locale-Handle-Pluggable-0.01/
MooseX::Types::VariantTable based plugins for Locale::Maketext.
----
Makefile-Parallel-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~ambs/Makefile-Parallel-0.04/
A distributed parallel makefile
----
MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.01/
DateTime related constraints and coercions for Moose
----
MooseX-Types-VariantTable-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/MooseX-Types-VariantTable-0.01/
Type constraint based variant table
----
Moxy-0.43
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Moxy-0.43/
Mobile web development proxy
----
Net-CIDR-MobileJP-0.13
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Net-CIDR-MobileJP-0.13/
mobile ip address in Japan
----
Net-POP3-SSLWrapper-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Net-POP3-SSLWrapper-0.02/
simple POP3S wrapper for Net::POP3
----
Net-SMS-TMobile-UK-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~benc/Net-SMS-TMobile-UK-0.02/
Send SMS Messages via the T-Mobile UK Website.
----
POE-Component-IRC-5.82
http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-IRC-5.82/
a fully event-driven IRC client module.
----
POE-Component-Pluggable-1.08
http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-Pluggable-1.08/
A base class for creating plugin enabled POE Components.
----
POE-Component-Supervisor-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~nuffin/POE-Component-Supervisor-0.04/
Erlang inspired babysitting
----
Religion-Bible-Reference-0.012
http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Religion-Bible-Reference-0.012/
canonicalize shorthand bible references
----
Sledge-Authorizer-BasicAuth-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Sledge-Authorizer-BasicAuth-0.04/
Basic Authentication module for Sledge
----
Sledge-Plugin-ShowImage-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~tokuhirom/Sledge-Plugin-ShowImage-0.03/
plugin to show image from data
----
String-MatchInterpolate-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~pevans/String-MatchInterpolate-0.02/
perform named regexp capture and variable interpolation from the same template.
----
WWW-IndexParser-0.10
http://search.cpan.org/~jeb/WWW-IndexParser-0.10/
Fetch and parse the directory index from a web server
----
XML-TinyXML-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~xant/XML-TinyXML-0.04/
Little and efficient Perl module to manage xml data.
----
autodie-1.10_04
http://search.cpan.org/~pjf/autodie-1.10_04/
Replace functions with ones that succeed or die with lexical scope
----
eGuideDog-Dict-Cantonese-0.41
http://search.cpan.org/~hgneng/eGuideDog-Dict-Cantonese-0.41/
an informal Jyutping dictionary.
----
eGuideDog-Dict-Mandarin-0.45
http://search.cpan.org/~hgneng/eGuideDog-Dict-Mandarin-0.45/
an informal Pinyin dictionary.
----
mysql-genocide-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~rsoliv/mysql-genocide-0.03/
----
stockmonkey-2.2
http://search.cpan.org/~jettero/stockmonkey-2.2/
----
version-0.7501
http://search.cpan.org/~jpeacock/version-0.7501/
Perl extension for Version Objects
If you're an author of one of these modules, please submit a detailed
announcement to comp.lang.perl.announce, and we'll pass it along.
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Date: 15 Jun 2008 10:37:50 GMT
From: greymaus <greymausg@mail.com>
Subject: perl 5.10
Message-Id: <slrng59ppv.66e.greymausg@maus.org>
I have perl 5.8.8, instaled 5.10, had some small problems with it, so I
wemt back to 5.8.8 (ln /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl). Now, I want to
do some work with 5.10. How do I get the system to have one user have
perl->perl5.10.0 and the rest have perl->perl5.8.8.?
Something in his/her .profile ?
--
Greymaus
Time for thought.
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Owen <xemoth@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: perl 5.10
Message-Id: <cc976981-fa74-47df-8558-2a41a94c914b@w8g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
On Jun 15, 6:37 pm, greymaus <greyma...@mail.com> wrote:
> I have perl 5.8.8, instaled 5.10, had some small problems with it, so I
> wemt back to 5.8.8 (ln /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl). Now, I want to
> do some work with 5.10. How do I get the system to have one user have
> perl->perl5.10.0 and the rest have perl->perl5.8.8.?
> Something in his/her .profile ?
try something like this in the .bashrc or .profile files
export PERL5LIB="/usr/bin/perl5.10.0"
See if that works.
Owen
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:53:23 +0100
From: Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk>
Subject: Re: perl 5.10
Message-Id: <jecfi5-in2.ln1@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org>
Quoth Owen <xemoth@gmail.com>:
> On Jun 15, 6:37 pm, greymaus <greyma...@mail.com> wrote:
> > I have perl 5.8.8, instaled 5.10, had some small problems with it, so I
> > wemt back to 5.8.8 (ln /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl). Now, I want to
> > do some work with 5.10. How do I get the system to have one user have
> > perl->perl5.10.0 and the rest have perl->perl5.8.8.?
> > Something in his/her .profile ?
>
> try something like this in the .bashrc or .profile files
>
> export PERL5LIB="/usr/bin/perl5.10.0"
Err... no. Not even close.
The simplest answer is to install 5.10 without the /usr/bin/perl alias
(pass -Dversiononly -Uusrbinperl to Configure) and then set up a shell
alias perl => perl5.10.0 for that user. The alternative would be to
install 5.10 somewhere else entirely (like /usr/local, or /opt/perl5.10)
and put that location first in that user's path.
Both of these require that you install perl yourself from source. If
you're installing it from a package system you will need to see if that
package system supports this sort of thing.
Ben
--
"Faith has you at a disadvantage, Buffy."
"'Cause I'm not crazy, or 'cause I don't kill people?"
"Both, actually."
[ben@morrow.me.uk]
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:05:58 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: perl 5.10
Message-Id: <slrng5a1d7.2kf.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-06-15 11:02, Owen <xemoth@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 15, 6:37 pm, greymaus <greyma...@mail.com> wrote:
>> I have perl 5.8.8, instaled 5.10, had some small problems with it, so I
>> wemt back to 5.8.8 (ln /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 /usr/bin/perl). Now, I want to
>> do some work with 5.10. How do I get the system to have one user have
>> perl->perl5.10.0 and the rest have perl->perl5.8.8.?
>> Something in his/her .profile ?
>
>
> try something like this in the .bashrc or .profile files
>
> export PERL5LIB="/usr/bin/perl5.10.0"
PERL5LIB tells the interpreter where to look for modules. It doesn't
tell the OS where the interpreter is.
On Unix systems (and I assume greymaus is using something unixish
because of the unix-like pathnames and the mentioning of .profile) you
usually use the shebang line to tell the OS where the interpeter is.
Just start your scripts with
#!/usr/bin/perl5.10.0
or
#!/usr/bin/perl5.8.8
depending on which interpreter you want to use.
If you install something from CPAN, it will automatically be installed
for the interpreter you use for the installation.
What is left is manually invoking perl - I usually do this only when
debugging (perl -d script) or when installing my own modules (perl
Build.PL or perl Makefile.PL). In this case you can either get into the
habit of invoking the interpreter you want (perl5.8.8 -d script) or put
a symlink perl -> /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 in a personal directory (I
use $HOME/bin) and put that at the front of the path.
hp
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 11:46:40 +0200
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: rt.cpan.org works ok (was: Re: rt.cpan.org, search.cpan.org: why so unuseable?)
Message-Id: <g32vih.168.1@news.isolution.nl>
Ben Bullock schreef:
> Whenever I try to submit a bug via rt.cpan.org, I have to go through
> about five screens in order to log in.
I go to https://rt.cpan.org and am automatically loggged in, without any
hassle at all.
On the top of the initial page it says:
Please report any issues with rt.cpan.org to
rt-cpan-admin@bestpractical.com.
> what's wrong with search.cpan.org? I
> have no idea what software is behind the search engine, but sometimes
> the search pages come up totally blank or they miss things which I
> know are there.
I use it every day and have never had that experience, so the problem
must be at your end.
> Instead of wasting money on Perl 6, which surely will never be
> finished:
Perl 6 is great and is getting greater every day.
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 00:34:37 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ben Bullock <benkasminbullock@gmail.com>
Subject: rt.cpan.org, search.cpan.org: why so unuseable?
Message-Id: <g31o2s$i67$1@ml.accsnet.ne.jp>
Whenever I try to submit a bug via rt.cpan.org, I have to go through
about five screens in order to log in. First, I get the login screen,
which tells me I'm an anonymous guest. Then I press login, and wait about
five seconds or more to get a screen which tells me "You have been logged
out of rt.cpan.org. You're welcome to log back in again." If I leave this
screen open, I'll be sent back automatically to the previous screen. If I
keep going, and try to log in with my "bitcard account", I have to click
through an invalid certificate notice, click, wait, click, wait, click,
wait, until finally I arrive at a page where it tells me I'm logged in.
Then, having finally logged in to the system, I have no way to get back
to the page where I was going to report a bug, except by going back in
the browser and then reloading the page.
This contorted login process alone probably puts off about half or more
of the people who try to report a bug.
My question is, why is rt.cpan.org so unuseable? Perl should be able to
do much better. CPAN should tell the people behind rt.cpan.org to make it
useable, or ditch the whole RT system in favour of something which
actually works, like Bugzilla (also written in Perl). The fact that this
cranky, slow software is used as a vital component of CPAN doesn't
inspire confidence.
Secondly, while I'm about it, what's wrong with search.cpan.org? I have
no idea what software is behind the search engine, but sometimes the
search pages come up totally blank or they miss things which I know are
there.
Instead of wasting money on Perl 6, which surely will never be finished:
http://news.perlfoundation.org/2008/05/tpf_receives_large_donation_in.html
it would be better if the Perl foundation spent its money employing a
full-time administrator of CPAN to sort out these bugs.
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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 02:40:50 +0200
From: Bjoern Hoehrmann <bjoern@hoehrmann.de>
Subject: Re: rt.cpan.org, search.cpan.org: why so unuseable?
Message-Id: <63p85499n5r5d615tmcnkv0fu3h1tg9aer@hive.bjoern.hoehrmann.de>
* Ben Bullock wrote in comp.lang.perl.misc:
>Whenever I try to submit a bug via rt.cpan.org, I have to go through
>about five screens in order to log in. First, I get the login screen,
>which tells me I'm an anonymous guest.
Actually you can just send a mail to bug-<dist>@rt.cpan.org, the only
difference is that your report might not be associated with the account
you use on rt.cpan.org.
--
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Date: 15 Jun 2008 07:30:40 GMT
From: Ismo Hautamäki <ismo@narbe.net>
Subject: Re: sWiddu
Message-Id: <4854c51d$0$90768$c30e37c6@pit-reader.telstra.net>
Alan arvostuksesta kertoo varsin suoraan se miten alan ammattityöväestö
suhtautuu tekemiseensä. Siitä voidaan ottaa esimerkkejä laajasti.
Ammattilaiset haluavat usein myös jälkikasvustaan työnsä jatkajia.
Yritysmaailma on pullollaan työstä ylpeitä isältä pojalle siirrettyä
sukuosaamista. Mutta yksi ala loistaa poissaolollaan. Yksikään ydinalan
ammattilainen ei kehu firmaansa julkisesti netissä, lehdissä, ei edes asiaa
kyselevälle lapselleen. Jos katsomme ketkä julkisuudessa ydinlobbailevat,
niin yhtään alan ammattilaista ei taatusti näy lehtiotsikoissa, netissä
saati mualla. Vain rahalla ostettavia politikkoja ja vastaavia, jotka eivät
erota uraania hiilimustasta taatusti.
Rupesin todella ihmettelemään miksi. Ja ennenkaikkea KETKÄ ovat maassamme
nykyään ydinalan ammattilaisia? Heitä on maassamme tietysti tuhansittain,
mutta keitä? Heille on yhteinen piirre se, ettei näillä ole esim.
perustuslakiemme mukaista lakko-oikeutta, kellään! Toinen keskeinen piirre
on niinikää lainvastaiset ylipitkät jopa 12h työvuorot ja loputtomat
ylityöjaksot vailla omaa päätäntäoikeutta. Kolmas ominaisuus on tekemänsä
työn arkaluontoisuus, mikä tarkoittaa orjallista vaitiololupauspakotetta
uhkailu-ukaaseineen ydinjohdolta. Esim. OL-1,OL-2 ja OL-3 työmailla ei
KETÄÄN saa mennä vapaasti jututtamaan tekemisistään ja määräys on ehdoton,
vaikka maamme pitäisi olla demokratia. Mikä kertoo myös alan valonarkuudesta
ja hämäryydestä enemmän kuin paljon.
Niinikää ydintyöläisten palkkataso on enmemmän kuin romahtanut loistonsa
päivistä. Jos lasketaan Suomen ydintyöläisten ansiotasot saadaan tyytyä jopa
7 euron tuntipalkkoihin! Reippaasti alle jopa siivoojaminimistä puhutaan
ydinalan ammattilaisistamme keskimäärin kautta maamme! Kun vielä 70-luvulla
ydinosaaja oli huippupalkkalainen ja arvostettu, on hän tänään lähinnä
kansan hyljeksimä reppupuolalainen, liettualaisorja, turkkilainen, yms.
joita katsotaan pitkin nenänvartta, jopa kaupan kassalla, koska heitä
arvotetaan toki myös olemattoman orjapalkkaostovopimansa mukaan
olemattomuuksiin. Ja tieto siitä, että suurin osa ei maksa edes veroja,
saati sotuja ja vastaavia alentaa tasoa mutasarjaan kansan silmin.
Vaarallisesta työstä johtuvat moninkymmenkertaiset sairastumisriskit
työtapaturmista, kielitaidottomuutensa takia tulee valtavasti
onnettomuuslisäriskejä, samoin kouluttautumattomuuksistaan, säteilystä ja
vastaavista lisäriskeistä kiistatta puhutaan ydintyöläisissä. Hyvällä ei
näihin pitkälti "slummiparakeissaan "huuhaileviin" ydinorjin suhtauduta enää
edes harmistuneitten kauppiaitten piirissä. Säteilyvaaransa takia heillä on
normaalityöläisiä ankarammat
lääkärintarkastusvaateet jne. Ydintyöläiselle on kauhistus , jos lapsensa
tulisivat samaan työhön jatkajiksi.Voi vaan hämmästellä kuinka nopeasti
ydinalan mega-arvostus on romahtanut nykyiseen mitäänsanomattomuuteensa.
heijastellen sitä pettymystä mitä ydinvoiman loisteliaitten lupausten
romahdettua tshernobyliin on tuottanut. Voi vaan arvailla, että kuinkan näin
totaalisen pettymyksen ala saa enää jatkossa KETÄÄN kiinostumaan sen
ylläpidosta?
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#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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