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Re: code written under 5.10.0 to be run under 5.8.8 <robsku@NO-SPAM-REMOVE-THIS.fiveam.org>
Re: code written under 5.10.0 to be run under 5.8.8 <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds ambarish.mitra@gmail.com
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds <someone@example.com>
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds (Jens Thoms Toerring)
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: FAQ 3.31 == FAQ 3.30 <brian.d.foy@gmail.com>
Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the d <Phillip.Ross.Taylor@gmail.com>
Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the d <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the d <Phillip.Ross.Taylor@gmail.com>
Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the d <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: I need to extract an array from a scalar regex-wise <buellboy@gmail.com>
Re: Identification of which line causing regex problem <devnull4711@web.de>
Re: None-textual content in tech groups ambarish.mitra@gmail.com
Re: None-textual content in tech groups <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Re: None-textual content in tech groups <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: None-textual content in tech groups <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:45:59 +0300
From: Sir Robin <robsku@NO-SPAM-REMOVE-THIS.fiveam.org>
Subject: Re: code written under 5.10.0 to be run under 5.8.8
Message-Id: <l60g24166btrkcgkmbg9u7n17ig3l9t9pd@4ax.com>
On Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:21 +0000 (UTC), Ben Bullock
<benkasminbullock@gmail.com> wrote:
>I believe the new features are all turned off by default anyway, so you
>have to "use 5.010;" anyway:
On what versions of perl5 do you believe has new features off by default? I
have always studied simply just perl5 programming and I have so far never
bumped in situation where my version of perl did not have some feature I use
off by default or feature of newer perl version and I have never paid
attention on if something I learn and then use is feature in perl5 version
newer than this or that so I don't know where to even look for if my code has
any other requirements than that it's not older than perl5 that is used to run
it...
If there is any program available that can check through piece of code and
report any features that are new features of some subversion of perl5 and list
those it finds with of course the version of perl5 that has the feature?
Or am I safe to assume that users with older perl5 version that I have tested
my code with can run my program if I dont have any "use 5.xxx;" line and the
script runs fine?
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:51:25 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: code written under 5.10.0 to be run under 5.8.8
Message-Id: <slrng2g89d.rei.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-05-12 08:45, Sir Robin <robsku@NO-SPAM-REMOVE-THIS.fiveam.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 11:06:21 +0000 (UTC), Ben Bullock
><benkasminbullock@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I believe the new features are all turned off by default anyway, so you
>>have to "use 5.010;" anyway:
>
> On what versions of perl5 do you believe has new features off by default?
In 5.10 you have to explicitely enable new features by adding a
"use 5.010;" line.
> I have always studied simply just perl5 programming and I have so far
> never bumped in situation where my version of perl did not have some
> feature I use off by default or feature of newer perl version and I
> have never paid attention on if something I learn and then use is
> feature in perl5 version newer than this or that so I don't know where
> to even look for if my code has any other requirements than that it's
> not older than perl5 that is used to run it...
I take a pragmatic approach there. I just write my programs for whatever
version of Perl I have available. When I notice that it doesn't work on
some older version (that's what test suites are for - among other
things) I either fix it or add a "use 5.xxx" for the oldest version
where it is known to work.
> If there is any program available that can check through piece of code and
> report any features that are new features of some subversion of perl5 and list
> those it finds with of course the version of perl5 that has the feature?
>
> Or am I safe to assume that users with older perl5 version that I have tested
> my code with can run my program if I dont have any "use 5.xxx;" line and the
> script runs fine?
It depends on your programming style, of course. For my code it is safe
to assume that it won't run with Perl 5.6.x or older unless I specially
took care to make it portable. There were a lot of nifty features added
in 5.8 and I am using them.
I haven't started using 5.10 features yet. All of my servers have some
variant of 5.8.x installed, and until a significant portion of them has
been upgraded to 5.10.x (which I expect to come with the next release
of RHEL and Debian - but we won't upgrade all our servers immediately
even then) using 5.10 features is just a waste of time.
hp
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:39:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: ambarish.mitra@gmail.com
Subject: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <a2fb6107-7c6b-4f51-ad0f-5bc0bf2a952e@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
precision.
That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
I tried with the module DateTime, but that does not give the
milliseconds.
use DateTime;
my $dt = DateTime->now( time_zone => 'floating' );
Any idea how this can be achieved in Perl?
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:22:12 GMT
From: "John W. Krahn" <someone@example.com>
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <oTUVj.2202$KB3.224@edtnps91>
ambarish.mitra@gmail.com wrote:
> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
> precision.
>
> That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
>
> Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
>
>
> I tried with the module DateTime, but that does not give the
> milliseconds.
>
> use DateTime;
> my $dt = DateTime->now( time_zone => 'floating' );
>
>
> Any idea how this can be achieved in Perl?
$ perl -le'
use Time::HiRes q/gettimeofday/;
use POSIX q/strftime/;
print substr strftime( q/%Y%m%dT%H%M%S/, localtime ) . ( gettimeofday )[
1 ] . q/00000/, 0, 20;
'
20080512T03134231838
Of course there is no guarantee that the microseconds will apply to the
seconds field that strftime produces.
John
--
Perl isn't a toolbox, but a small machine shop where you
can special-order certain sorts of tools at low cost and
in short order. -- Larry Wall
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:36:12 +0100
From: bugbear <bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim>
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <IeOdnUUWJ58AgLXVnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@posted.plusnet>
ambarish.mitra@gmail.com wrote:
> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
> precision.
This may not be supported by your hardware and/or
O/S.
BugBear
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:44:59 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <48281fad$0$10647$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>
ambarish.mitra@gmail.com wrote:
> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
> precision.
>
> That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
>
> Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
No, 652.66 would be milliseconds with 5 digit (two decimal places) precision
>
>
> I tried with the module DateTime, but that does not give the
> milliseconds.
>
> use DateTime;
> my $dt = DateTime->now( time_zone => 'floating' );
C> perl -mDateTime -e "$dt=DateTime->now; print $dt->second"
29
C> perl -mDateTime -e "$dt=DateTime->now; print $dt->nanosecond"
0
>
>
> Any idea how this can be achieved in Perl?
>
http://perldoc.perl.org/Time/HiRes.html
--
RGB
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Date: 12 May 2008 10:53:46 GMT
From: jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring)
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <68qltpF2tu3lsU1@mid.uni-berlin.de>
ambarish.mitra@gmail.com wrote:
> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
> precision.
> That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
> Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
Sorry, but the pure milliseconds can only have 3 digits.
I guess you mean you want the time with a resolution of
10 microseconds, i.e. 5 digits of resolution for the
sub-seconds part
> I tried with the module DateTime, but that does not give the
> milliseconds.
But DateTime gives you the even better resolution of nano-
seconds (how useful that is is another question;-). Just
use the nanoseconds divided by 10_000 (or the milliseconds
method, divided by 10) and you get the sub-second part of
the time in 5-digits. so use
$dt->nanosecond / 10000
or
$dt->microsecond / 10
i.e., if you want to print something like "20080512T12094565266" do
printf "%sT%s%05d", $dt->ymd( '' ), $dt->hms( '' ), $dt->microsecond / 10;
But: Initialisation of a DateTime object with 'now' doesn't seem
to set sub-second values. In order to get the current time with
better than second resolution into your DateTime object you thus
may have to use
use DateTime;
use Time::HiRes qw/ gettimeofday /;
my ( $s, $us ) = gettimeofday;
my $dt = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => $s + 1.0e-6 * $us,
time_zone => 'floating' );
printf "%sT%s%05d", $dt->ymd( '' ), $dt->hms( '' ), $dt->microsecond / 10;
Regards, Jens
--
\ Jens Thoms Toerring ___ jt@toerring.de
\__________________________ http://toerring.de
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:58:17 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <slrng2g8mb.rei.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-05-12 07:39, ambarish.mitra@gmail.com <ambarish.mitra@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
> precision.
>
> That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
>
> Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
Since "milli" means "one thousandth", milliseconds by definition have
exactly 3 places of precision. The term you are looking for is
"fractional seconds".
> Any idea how this can be achieved in Perl?
Time::HiRes
hp
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 14:20:01 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: Current Time with 5 digits of milliseconds
Message-Id: <slrng2gdfj.sk5.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-05-12 10:22, John W. Krahn <someone@example.com> wrote:
> ambarish.mitra@gmail.com wrote:
>> I need to get the current date-time with milliseconds upto 5 places of
>> precision.
>>
>> That is, 20080512T12094565266 => YYYY MM DD T HH mm SS ms-5 digits
>>
>> Here, 65266 is the milli-second with 5 places of precision.
[...]
>> Any idea how this can be achieved in Perl?
>
> $ perl -le'
> use Time::HiRes q/gettimeofday/;
> use POSIX q/strftime/;
> print substr strftime( q/%Y%m%dT%H%M%S/, localtime ) . ( gettimeofday )[
> 1 ] . q/00000/, 0, 20;
> '
> 20080512T03134231838
>
> Of course there is no guarantee that the microseconds will apply to the
> seconds field that strftime produces.
That's because you are getting the "current time" twice: Once with
localtime and once with gettimeofday, and then you use the seconds from
the first call and the microseconds from the second call. Of course the
seconds may have changed between the calls. If you get the current time
only once that cannot happen:
my ($seconds, $microseconds) = gettimeofday;
print strftime( q/%Y%m%dT%H%M%S/, localtime($seconds)),
sprintf("%05d", $microseconds/10);
(your code also prints the fractional part wrong: 2713 microseconds
should be printed as 00271 but is printed as 27130)
hp
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:14:05 +0200
From: brian d foy <brian.d.foy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 3.31 == FAQ 3.30
Message-Id: <120520081114057452%brian.d.foy@gmail.com>
In article <48260eb4$0$14354$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jo
<jo@nosp.invalid> wrote:
> FAQ 3.30 and FAQ 3.31 posted in comp.lang.perl.misc are duplicates.
Curious, since it's question "What's MakeMaker" is the last one in
perlfaq3 and isn't duplicated in the file.
Thanks for the notice,
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:41:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Philluminati <Phillip.Ross.Taylor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the difference?
Message-Id: <75eda6f3-346e-4439-b96d-683a1c10adba@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On May 12, 8:03 am, PerlFAQ Server <br...@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> This is an excerpt from the latest version perlfaq4.pod, which
> comes with the standard Perl distribution. These postings aim to
> reduce the number of repeated questions as well as allow the community
> to review and update the answers. The latest version of the complete
> perlfaq is athttp://faq.perl.org.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 4.14: How can I compare two dates and find the difference?
>
> (contributed by brian d foy)
>
> You could just store all your dates as a number and then subtract. Life
> isn't always that simple though. If you want to work with formatted
> dates, the "Date::Manip", "Date::Calc", or "DateTime" modules can help
> you.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The perlfaq-workers, a group of volunteers, maintain the perlfaq. They
> are not necessarily experts in every domain where Perl might show up,
> so please include as much information as possible and relevant in any
> corrections. The perlfaq-workers also don't have access to every
> operating system or platform, so please include relevant details for
> corrections to examples that do not work on particular platforms.
> Working code is greatly appreciated.
>
> If you'd like to help maintain the perlfaq, see the details in
> perlfaq.pod.
Honestly, what is the point of posting this? It really doesn't help.
It makes the newsgroup harder to read and they are never relevant.
It's basically spam. If the person doesn't google the question before
posting then they sure as hell aren't going to search the group. So
unless the correct answer to the question is on the groups active
discussion page, it really is a waste of space and bandwidth.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:40:06 +0100
From: RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBrick@SpamWeary.foo>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the difference?
Message-Id: <48281e89$0$10638$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk>
Philluminati wrote:
> On May 12, 8:03 am, PerlFAQ Server <br...@stonehenge.com> wrote:
>>
>> These postings aim to
>> reduce the number of repeated questions as well as allow the community
>> to review and update the answers. The latest version of the complete
>> perlfaq is athttp://faq.perl.org.
>
> Honestly, what is the point of posting this?
I may be wrong but I think the point is described in the part you quoted.
> It makes the newsgroup harder to read ...
Have you considered using a newsreader instead of Google Groups. Then
you can kill postings with subjects that start "FAQ ".
--
RGB
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 05:24:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Philluminati <Phillip.Ross.Taylor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the difference?
Message-Id: <5b26b8a2-52fa-40bd-a506-328f9622b52b@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>
On May 12, 11:40 am, RedGrittyBrick <RedGrittyBr...@SpamWeary.foo>
wrote:
> Philluminati wrote:
> > On May 12, 8:03 am, PerlFAQ Server <br...@stonehenge.com> wrote:
>
> >> These postings aim to
> >> reduce the number of repeated questions as well as allow the community
> >> to review and update the answers. The latest version of the complete
> >> perlfaq is athttp://faq.perl.org.
>
> > Honestly, what is the point of posting this?
>
> I may be wrong but I think the point is described in the part you quoted.
>
> > It makes the newsgroup harder to read ...
>
> Have you considered using a newsreader instead of Google Groups. Then
> you can kill postings with subjects that start "FAQ ".
>
> --
> RGB
It doesn't matter what reader I use. It is useless junk that is a
waste of bandwidth. End of story.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:42:07 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.14 How can I compare two dates and find the difference?
Message-Id: <Xns9A9C5884D27BFasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
Philluminati <Phillip.Ross.Taylor@gmail.com> wrote in
news:75eda6f3-346e-4439-b96d-683a1c10adba@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> On May 12, 8:03 am, PerlFAQ Server <br...@stonehenge.com> wrote:
>> This is an excerpt from the latest version perlfaq4.pod, which
>> comes with the standard Perl distribution. These postings aim to
>> reduce the number of repeated questions as well as allow the
>> community to review and update the answers. The latest version of the
>> complete perlfaq is athttp://faq.perl.org.
>>
...
> Honestly, what is the point of posting this?
Advertising the FAQ list.
> It really doesn't help.
These postings work in many ways. First, by making specific FAQ entries
more visible to inexperienced users. Second, FAQ entries are constantly
improved using feedback from the group.
> It makes the newsgroup harder to read
No they don't. Certainly, no more than newbies who post without reading
the documentation.
> and they are never relevant.
Huh? They are answers to Perl FAQ list.
> It's basically spam.
You need to learn what spam means.
> If the person doesn't google the question before
> posting then they sure as hell aren't going to search the group.
While I pride myself in reading the full FAQ list every time I upgrade
Perl, I cannot keep it all in my head all the time. These postings have
time and again attracted my attention to useful FAQ entries I had
forgotten. They also serve as an automatic review mechanism meaning that
the quality of the FAQ list increases as a direct result.
So, clueless newbies are not the only potential beneficiaries of these
postings.
Now, please do yourself and us a solid and please refrain from further
troll-like behavior.
Sinan
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:08:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "advice please wireless 802.11 on RH8" <buellboy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: I need to extract an array from a scalar regex-wise ?
Message-Id: <befd7274-8449-4b50-b1df-3dc967561451@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
On May 11, 2:46 am, "Gordon Etly" <g...@bentsys.com> wrote:
> Uri Guttman wrote:
.
.
.
>
>
> > also he got correct answers from other people (including myself) a
>
Quite right lots of very helpful information thanks to everyone who
contributed. I see some things I did wrong (and some I did right).. I
never knew about 2 different types of parens- capturing and non-
capturing? I'm scoping out Camel now to see what's in there but I've
pretty much read it cover to cover and don't recall those terms..
Thanks again
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:14:26 +0200
From: Frank Seitz <devnull4711@web.de>
Subject: Re: Identification of which line causing regex problem
Message-Id: <68qcj4F2ubn39U1@mid.individual.net>
Peter J. Holzer wrote:
> On 2008-05-07 14:39, Frank Seitz <devnull4711@web.de> wrote:
>>Ben Bullock wrote:
>>>
>>>Note that, as I pointed out in the part of the message you didn't
>>>quote, the original poster claimed he wasn't getting line numbers in
>>>the error messages, which isn't the behaviour of Perl 5.8 or Perl
>>>5.10, or probably any other version of Perl you could find, so until
>>>that is clarified there is not much else to say about it.
>>>Realistically the most likely explanation is that he somehow missed
>>>the line numbers in Perl's error message.
>>
>>The OP expected, strangely enough, the line number
>>of the input file, not the line number of the source file.
>
> Why do you think so?
Hm, I don't know. Seems that I misinterpreted the
original posting... Thank you.
Frank
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 00:11:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: ambarish.mitra@gmail.com
Subject: Re: None-textual content in tech groups
Message-Id: <e104ab76-006c-4818-a3b6-ccef3e71e797@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com>
On May 12, 11:39 am, Sir Robin <rob...@NO-SPAM-REMOVE-THIS.fiveam.org>
wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:03:57 -0400, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org>=
> wrote:
>
> >It's really rather
> >hard to justify that time & expense when the web is sitting right next do=
or
> >with all the multimedia one can handle. :-)
>
> And unlike usenet, web is designed from the beginning with extending to us=
e
> growing amount of different kinds of multimedia in mind.
>
> >sherm--
>
> --
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> *| Me, Drugs, DooM, Photos, Writings...http://soul.fiveam.org/robsku|*
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> "Sir Robin valehtelee j=E4rjestelm=E4llisesti" - Nikolas M=E4ki
STOP THIS. ENOUGH ALREADY.
In spite of telling clearly (look at my earlier post, some 1 hour ago)
that all these postings are off-topic, you are happily continuing your
errant ways and writing all junk. Note that I am not here judging the
merit of your argument. I am saying that the main question (posted by
me) was related to perl, and then suddenly ppl took it to write about
usenet postings etc etc and made this thread look like a battlefield.
Which it hardly is.
Even after clearly being told not to create more pollution, you have
not understood. Now, do one thing: Look up this entire thread and find
out words like: social, anti-social, troll, idiot. Find out yourself
what you are. Or, do you want to be told?
I am not going to write anything more on this thread, no matter what
the provocations are. I am here not to win an argument, but to learn
Perl and help others along the way.
AMEN.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 05:37:29 -0400
From: Sherman Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.org>
Subject: Re: None-textual content in tech groups
Message-Id: <m1tzh3lv6u.fsf@dot-app.org>
ambarish.mitra@gmail.com writes:
> On May 12, 11:39 am, Sir Robin <rob...@NO-SPAM-REMOVE-THIS.fiveam.org>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 15:03:57 -0400, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It's really rather
>> >hard to justify that time & expense when the web is sitting right next door
>> >with all the multimedia one can handle. :-)
>>
>> And unlike usenet, web is designed from the beginning with extending to use
>> growing amount of different kinds of multimedia in mind.
>
> STOP THIS. ENOUGH ALREADY.
>
> In spite of telling clearly (look at my earlier post, some 1 hour ago)
Your're responding to something I wrote yesterday. Besides which, I
don't care for your tone - who do you think you are, to tell me what
to do? Get over yourself.
> that all these postings are off-topic, you are happily continuing your
> errant ways and writing all junk. Note that I am not here judging the
> merit of your argument. I am saying that the main question (posted by
> me) was related to perl, and then suddenly ppl took it to write about
> usenet postings etc etc and made this thread look like a battlefield.
Welcome to usenet. Threads drift. Deal with it.
> Even after clearly being told not to create more pollution, you have
> not understood.
I think it's you who don't understand something here, and that is that
I don't follow your orders.
> Now, do one thing: Look up this entire thread and find
> out words like: social, anti-social, troll, idiot. Find out yourself
> what you are. Or, do you want to be told?
Tell it to the hand... *plonk*
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:13:48 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: None-textual content in tech groups
Message-Id: <slrng2g62t.rei.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-05-12 04:41, Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
> Sherman Pendley wrote:
>> The switch to a rich-text + graphics medium would require a lot of
>> work by a lot of people, and would increase storage requirements,
>> decrease the time that messages are retained on local servers, or
>> both. It's really rather hard to justify that time & expense when the
>> web is sitting right next door with all the multimedia one can handle. :-)
> Was there an image here? Oh, yeah. That's right. There wasn't...
No, and that's exactly the point. Your postings don't contain images,
they don't contain tables, they don't contain markup in a way which
would improve the readability of your postings (e.g., syntax
highlighting in perl snippets). So using HTML adds no value to your
postings, it only adds bulk (135 lines instead of 7 - an overhead of
1928 %) and annoys those of us who don't have a fully mime-capable
newsreader.
hp
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Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:29:28 +0200
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: None-textual content in tech groups
Message-Id: <slrng2g709.rei.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2008-05-12 06:15, ambarish.mitra@gmail.com <ambarish.mitra@gmail.com> wrote:
> NOW, STOP ALL THIS NONSENSE. PLEASE.
>
> The original mesg (posted by me) was regarding SQL query in Perl code.
> Out of the 50 mesg on this topic, only 5 are relevant and the
> remaining 45 (90%) are completely off-topic (to be polite) and utter
> crap (to be truthful).
You may have noticed that the subject has been changed. So it's no
longer the same topic. It's still off-topic for this newsgroup (unless
we get to MIME-handling in Perl or something like that) and should
probably be moved to a different newsgroup (news.software.readers?
news.misc?). But occassional meta-discussions about what is or isn't
acceptable in a newsgroup are IMHO necessary. And at least this
particular topic is discussed rather infrequently, unlike
"Perl vs. PERL" or similar stuff.
hp
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