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Today's topics:
Re: DROP TABLE customers <get@bentsys.com>
Re: DROP TABLE customers <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: DROP TABLE customers <get@bentsys.com>
Filehandles valerie.seigneur@gmail.com
Re: Filehandles <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Re: Get variable from its name string or vice versa? <whynot@pozharski.name>
Re: Help: Content extraction <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Help: Content extraction <someone@example.com>
Re: Help: Content extraction <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: How to filter fat32 illegal characters from directo <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Re: I need to extract an array from a scalar regex-wise <get@bentsys.com>
Re: implementation for Parsing Expression Grammar? <larsnostdal@gmail.com>
Re: implementation for Parsing Expression Grammar? <kay.schluehr@gmx.net>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <m@rtij.nl.invlalid>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:37:09 -0700
From: "Gordon Etly" <get@bentsys.com>
Subject: Re: DROP TABLE customers
Message-Id: <68l1l6F2tgohjU1@mid.individual.net>
A. Sinan Unur wrote:
> Ignoramus26246 <ignoramus26246@NOSPAM.26246.invalid> wrote
> in news:ZOGdnYzvPOYa9LnVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> > --
> > Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their
> > inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles
> > originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to
> > be seen by more readers you will need to find a different
> > means of posting on Usenet.
> > http://improve-usenet.org/
>
> Back to the killfile you go with this self congratulatory troll-bait
> drivel and your morphing personality.
The world doesn't need to know who is going in your killfile. Please
keep your private matters to yourself.
--
G.Etly
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:28:16 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: DROP TABLE customers
Message-Id: <x7prrurun3.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "GE" == Gordon Etly <get@bentsys.com> writes:
GE> A. Sinan Unur wrote:
>> Ignoramus26246 <ignoramus26246@NOSPAM.26246.invalid> wrote
>> in news:ZOGdnYzvPOYa9LnVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>>
>> > --
>> > Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their
>> > inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles
>> > originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to
>> > be seen by more readers you will need to find a different
>> > means of posting on Usenet.
>> > http://improve-usenet.org/
>>
>> Back to the killfile you go with this self congratulatory troll-bait
>> drivel and your morphing personality.
GE> The world doesn't need to know who is going in your killfile. Please
GE> keep your private matters to yourself.
will you ever make a comment about perl code itself? you are the most
meta flamer i have seen in a while. even moronzilla talked about perl
itself more often than you.
uri
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:11:13 -0700
From: "Gordon Etly" <get@bentsys.com>
Subject: Re: DROP TABLE customers
Message-Id: <68m39iF2tkff3U1@mid.individual.net>
Uri Guttman wrote:
> Gordon Etly <get@bentsys.com> writes:
{Please don't lead your quote char with white space.}
> > A. Sinan Unur wrote:
> > > Ignoramus26246 <ignoramus26246@NOSPAM.26246.invalid> wrote
> > > in news:ZOGdnYzvPOYa9LnVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@giganews.com:
> > > Back to the killfile you go with this self congratulatory
> > > troll-bait >> drivel and your morphing personality.
> > The world doesn't need to know who is going in your killfile. Please
> > keep your private matters to yourself.
> will you ever make a comment about perl code itself?
It's not a requirement to comment. It's certainally no concern of yours,
as you are not mine nor anyone else's keeper.
> you are the most meta flamer i have seen in a while. even
> moronzilla talked about perl itself more often than you.
Why is everything you don't like a "flame" to you? It was a basic
comment, that one doesn't need to shout out to the world, "hey I'm going
to ignore this guy!!!!!!". It's like standing in a busy terminal and
yelling around that you're ignoring someone. It's little more than a
poor attempt to get attention. Not unlike what you do when you see posts
you don't like.
--
G.Etly
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: valerie.seigneur@gmail.com
Subject: Filehandles
Message-Id: <766973f3-0beb-4ca6-b98e-baf110a3860f@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>
Hi,
I have a question about filehandles, even after reading the docs... I
know how to start a subprocess from perl and read from it. But how do
I write to the parent process that started me, the perl script?
I have tcl script from somewhere that calls a perl script I'm writing.
The tcl script says:
set channel [open |./randomize RDONLY]
It calls the perl script "randomize" which reads from a file, does
things to the content and should make it available for reading from
the tcl script. But how do I do that? Somehow I keep on getting
messages that the input is empty when I run the tcl script.
This would be what "randomize" looks like:
open INPUT, "inputfile";
while (<INPUT>) {
...
print $result;
# I've tried all sorts of things here with | < > at the beginning
or the end,
# exec and backticks...
}
I'd be greatful for any leads on this!
Val
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:41:56 +0100
From: Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Subject: Re: Filehandles
Message-Id: <87mymycdrf.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
valerie.seigneur@gmail.com writes:
> I have a question about filehandles, even after reading the docs... I
> know how to start a subprocess from perl and read from it. But how do
> I write to the parent process that started me, the perl script?
>
> I have tcl script from somewhere that calls a perl script I'm writing.
> The tcl script says:
> set channel [open |./randomize RDONLY]
> It calls the perl script "randomize" which reads from a file, does
> things to the content and should make it available for reading from
> the tcl script. But how do I do that? Somehow I keep on getting
> messages that the input is empty when I run the tcl script.
You have a TCL problem, not a Perl one. If I duplicate what you have
above, I can read from the output of a Perl script just fine. All it
(the Perl part) needs to do is generate output on the standard output
stream (and you may need to flush the stream, but I doubt it from the
context).
> This would be what "randomize" looks like:
> open INPUT, "inputfile";
> while (<INPUT>) {
> ...
> print $result;
> # I've tried all sorts of things here with | < > at the beginning
> or the end,
> # exec and backticks...
That is fine. No |, <, or > needed. No backticks or exec. Just print
and TCL can read it in.
--
Ben.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:00:00 +0300
From: Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>
Subject: Re: Get variable from its name string or vice versa?
Message-Id: <091gf5xmit.ln2@orphan.zombinet>
jerrykrinock@gmail.com wrote:
*SKIP*
> Thanks for all the help. I'll probably give PadWalker a try next time
> I am feeling bold, and have a little time to spare before production.
(say that I'm wrong) Did you give up on debuger?
--
Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:11:30 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help: Content extraction
Message-Id: <9t3b24h9vbqlu3lmbqklui5h9tu7pcnr6n@4ax.com>
Amy Lee <openlinuxsource@gmail.com> wrote:
>My most work is to process DNA so I save DNA sequences as a format called
>FastA as you've seen before. And you could call my file dna.fasta, the
>content is
>
>>seq1
>ACGGTC
>ACTG
>>seq2
>CGATCC
>ACCTC
>>seq3
>......
From your previous description I thought those were 3 separte files.
Obviously I was wrong.
>The "seq1" "seq2" "seq3" and "seqx" is the names of these sequences. I can
>say, it's a mark. And under "seqx" it's DNA sequences. My point is quite
>simple, I wanna extract every sequences as a file saved. I mean I can
>extract sequences for dna.fasta and make a single file for every sequences.
So you want to split the file at each ">seq*" marker.
Well, then why not just loop (while (<>)) through the input file and
whenever you encounter such a marker (m//) close() the current output
file and open() a new one?
jue
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:21:05 GMT
From: "John W. Krahn" <someone@example.com>
Subject: Re: Help: Content extraction
Message-Id: <RqgVj.1769$KB3.997@edtnps91>
Amy Lee wrote:
>
> I have a problem while I'm processing my sequence file. The file content
> is like this.
>
>> seq1
> ACGGTC
> ACTG
>> seq2
> CGATCC
> ACCTC
>> seq3
> ......
>
> And I hope make every sequence into a single file. For example, a file
> "seq1" content is
>> seq1
> ACGGTC
> ACTG
> And a file "seq2" content is
>> seq2
> CGATCC
> ACCTC
> and so on.
while ( <> ) {
if ( /^>(.+)/ ) {
open my $OUT, '>>', $1 or die "Cannot open '$1' $!";
select $OUT;
}
print;
}
John
--
Perl isn't a toolbox, but a small machine shop where you
can special-order certain sorts of tools at low cost and
in short order. -- Larry Wall
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 16:03:09 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Help: Content extraction
Message-Id: <0fhb24pc2nhl3hbberf0cav4gmdps89er0@4ax.com>
Amy Lee <openlinuxsource@gmail.com> wrote:
>Anyway, could you tell me how to find out the usage of "select" function?
The usage of each perl function is described in the first line(s) of the
manual page for this function. It doesn't explicitely say "Usage" as in
Unix man pages, but it has the same format:
select FILEHANDLE
Sometimes, if a function is overloaded, there may be additional usages
farther down the page, too, e.g.
select RBITS,WBITS,EBITS,TIMEOUT
jue
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:50:59 -0700
From: "szr" <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Subject: Re: How to filter fat32 illegal characters from directories and files?
Message-Id: <g03k5302i1l@news4.newsguy.com>
Ben Morrow wrote:
> Quoth nospam <no@spam.com>:
>> These are illegal characters in a fat32 file system:
>>
>> / : ; * ? " < > |
>
> Presumably / also, if the FS is to be readable on Win32 systems.
I believe you meant \ (back slash)
[...]
--
szr
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:23:47 -0700
From: "Gordon Etly" <get@bentsys.com>
Subject: Re: I need to extract an array from a scalar regex-wise ?
Message-Id: <68m414F2rie22U1@mid.individual.net>
advice please wireless 802.11 on RH8 wrote:
> This is not a homework assignment. I'd be interested in more elegante'
> solutions than mine is all..
>
> Let's say I want to extract all of the days of the week out of a
> scalar such as :
>
> $_ =
> 'We went to the beach on Monday but it turned out that Sunday would
> have been better. The weather report Saturday said no rain until
> Thursday but I asked Tuesday (a trick!) and she said it rained
> Wednesday.'
>
> I want a regex/map/grep/etc (no iterative clauses PLEASE!) that
> yields:
>
> @days = qw( Monday Sunday Saturday Thursday Tuesday Wednesday )
>
> My best shot is:
> my @days = keys %{ /((mon|tues|wednes|thurs|fri|satur|sun)day)/gi };
>
> Which, oddly, doesn't seem to work. I say "oddly", because
>
> /((mon|tues|wednes|thurs|fri|satur|sun)day)/gi
>
> =
>
> 0 'Saturday'
> 1 'Satur'
> 2 'Thursday'
> 3 'Thurs'
> 4 'Tuesday'
> 5 'Tues'
> 6 'Wednesday'
> 7 'Wednes'
>
> yet %{ /((mon|tues|wednes|thurs|fri|satur|sun)day)/gi }
>
> is an empty array!? *TILT*
>
> I'm also not crazy about the hash solution because order may be
> significant.
I think you want something like this:
Code:
my @days = qw( Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
aturday );
my @wanted_days = qw( Monday Sunday Saturday Thursday Tuesday
Wednesday );
my %days = map { $_ => m/(.*)day$/; } @days;
print map { "$_ => $days{$_}\n" } @wanted_days;
Output:
Monday => Mon
Sunday => Sun
Saturday => Satur
Thursday => Thurs
Tuesday => Tues
Wednesday => Wednes
or, if you want a three letter abbreviation,
Code:
my @days = qw( Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
aturday );
my @wanted_days = qw( Monday Sunday Saturday Thursday Tuesday
Wednesday );
my %days = map { $_ => m/^(.{3})/; } @days;
print map { "$_ => $days{$_}\n" } @wanted_days;
Output:
Monday => Mon
Sunday => Sun
Saturday => Sat
Thursday => Thu
Tuesday => Tue
Wednesday => Wed
Is this what you were after?
--
G.Etly
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:36:38 +0200
From: =?UTF-8?B?TGFycyBSdW5lIE7DuHN0ZGFs?= <larsnostdal@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: implementation for Parsing Expression Grammar?
Message-Id: <48257ab7$0$29576$c83e3ef6@nn1-read.tele2.net>
Hi,
Finite automata works for "nested things".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automata_theory
--
Lars Rune Nøstdal
http://nostdal.org/
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kay Schluehr <kay.schluehr@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: implementation for Parsing Expression Grammar?
Message-Id: <ef9aee02-661f-4556-b0b7-76434f57ca55@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
On 10 Mai, 07:52, "xah...@gmail.com" <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the past weeks i've been thinking over the problem on the practical
> problems of regex in its matching power. For example, often it can't
> be used to match anything of nested nature, even the most simple
> nesting. It can't be used to match any simple grammar expressed by
> BNF. Some rather very regular and simple languages such as XML, or
> even url, email address, are not specified as a regex.
Well formed XML cannot be fully specified within BNF as well because
it is context sensitive: in order to recognize a tag/endtag pair one
has to maintain a stack. That's not a big deal in practice if one
wants to write an XML parser but one can't use an arbitrary LL or LR
parser generator to produce a parse tree representing the XML.
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:28:11 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <68l14dF2ticd1U1@mid.individual.net>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> And you honestly believe your 120+ lines long signature (quoted in
>>> full below)
>> Looks like somebody needs to learn what a signature is...
>
> Isn't it the part of a posting that is following the dash-dash-blank
> line? And that is supposed to be 4 lines max?
>
> Well, your's over 120+ lines and contained pretty much no information
> at all.
What are you talking about? His sig is only 2 lines long. Looks like
your reader is not setup correctly. If you don't want the text/html
portion then tell your reader you only want the text/plain only when it
encounters a multipart message.
--
wg
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 11:18:26 +0200
From: Martijn Lievaart <m@rtij.nl.invlalid>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <pan.2008.05.10.09.18.25@rtij.nl.invlalid>
On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:48:56 -0700, szr wrote:
> Achim Peters wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria schrieb:
>>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>>> And you honestly believe your 120+ lines long signature (quoted in
>>>> full below)
>>> Looks like somebody needs to learn what a signature is...
>>
>>> --------------030103090100010400060503 Content-Type: text/html;
>>> charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html>
>>
>> Please stop posting HTML and/or MIME. TIA!
>
> It's a multiple format posting; one section for html and one for plain
> text. If I set my reader to use plain-text only, I don't see html, just
> the plain text version. Can your reader not be configured similarly? If
> you only wish to see plain text then set your reader to display only
> plain text and then you wont have a problem.
Well, there is this slight problem of standards, encoded into RFCs. You
don't /have/ to follow them, but it's in general a good idea. HTML in
usenet postings is definitely not standard and in fact, any serious
newsreader (on any platform, even on Windows) does not render it. Even
worse, mime-multipart, although a standard for mail, is not a standard
for usenet.
Andrew DeFaria chooses not to conform to the defacto standards on usenet.
That means almost everyone has killfiled him. Also, he has controversial
opinions (that's ok) and is sticking to them (that's not OK), is
generally trolling (that's also not OK), insulting regulars (that's a
definite nono) and is generally more wrong than right (I do that to, but
I admit my mistakes), posting in HTML is just one of the minor
annoyances. Couple his posting in HTML to the fact that no one else does
in technical newsgroups and my opninions stated above, you'll see why
generally people hate HTML on usenet.
If you post in HTML, there is a very high probability you are either a
troll, or a newbie. Newbies learn, Andrew doesn't. That alone places him
squarely in the trolling section. But please use Google to check his
posting history. It's fun.
Usenet does not do mime-multipart by definition. Any serious newsreader
does not do mime-multipart. Anyone who does use mime-multipart, after
being made aware that this is not standard and inconveniences anyone who
uses a real newsreader, is definitely anti social.
Oh and before you ask. What's a real newsreader? It varies greatly, but
generally has 1) very good filtering capabilities, 2) makes it easy to
follow threads, 3) has good scoring capabilities and 4) follows GNKSA
(http://www.gnksa.org/).
Be free to write a new RFC for Usenet. The old RFCs need an overhaul
anyway. But don't expect HTML to be adopted for Usenet, there is very
strong opposition to that.
HTH,
M4
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:17:53 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <794b24d003sjk2ivc2rqtp04u38ie5873u@4ax.com>
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>> Looks like somebody needs to learn what a signature is...
>>
>> Isn't it the part of a posting that is following the dash-dash-blank
>> line? And that is supposed to be 4 lines max?
>>
>> Well, your's over 120+ lines and contained pretty much no information
>> at all.
>
>What are you talking about? His sig is only 2 lines long. Looks like
>your reader is not setup correctly. If you don't want the text/html
>portion then tell your reader you only want the text/plain only when it
>encounters a multipart message.
Multipart is a feature of EMail. This here is Usenet. There is no such
thing as multipart in Usenet. Therefore anything following his signature
delimiter line must be his signature.
jue
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 12:19:37 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <Xns9A9A54B47701asu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote in
news:68l14dF2ticd1U1@mid.individual.net:
> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>> Andrew DeFaria <Andrew@DeFaria.com> wrote:
>>> Jürgen Exner wrote:
>>>> And you honestly believe your 120+ lines long signature (quoted in
>>>> full below)
>>> Looks like somebody needs to learn what a signature is...
>>
>> Isn't it the part of a posting that is following the dash-dash-blank
>> line? And that is supposed to be 4 lines max?
>>
>> Well, your's over 120+ lines and contained pretty much no information
>> at all.
>
> What are you talking about? His sig is only 2 lines long.
Here, what counts is not what you see but what gets transmitted.
> Looks like your reader is not setup correctly. If you don't want the
> text/html portion then tell your reader you only want the text/plain
> only when it encounters a multipart message.
Nope. Post plain text in text only groups.
Sinan
--
A. Sinan Unur <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
(remove .invalid and reverse each component for email address)
comp.lang.perl.misc guidelines on the WWW:
http://www.rehabitation.com/clpmisc/
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:43:15 -0700
From: "szr" <szrRE@szromanMO.comVE>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <g04jb402h2l@news4.newsguy.com>
Martijn Lievaart wrote:
> On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:48:56 -0700, szr wrote:
>
>> Achim Peters wrote:
[...]
>>> Please stop posting HTML and/or MIME. TIA!
>>
>> It's a multiple format posting; one section for html and one for
>> plain text. If I set my reader to use plain-text only, I don't see
>> html, just the plain text version. Can your reader not be configured
>> similarly? If you only wish to see plain text then set your reader
>> to display only plain text and then you wont have a problem.
>
> Well, there is this slight problem of standards, encoded into RFCs.
> You don't /have/ to follow them, but it's in general a good idea.
> HTML in usenet postings is definitely not standard and in fact, any
> serious newsreader (on any platform, even on Windows) does not render
> it. Even worse, mime-multipart, although a standard for mail, is not
> a standard for usenet.
I fully agree with you, so don't get me wrong here :-)
I also think one has to take into account the time when those RFCs came
to be. In this day and age, is it really unreasonable for any modern
news reader to properly handle multipart postings (according to
configured preference) ? One might think that plain-text-only readers
(such as command-line-based clients like slrn) should be able to parse
the plain-text only, though I have never tested it with a multipart
message.
That said, UseNet is still thought of as a plain-text medium and
probably will be for a long time. But I think readers should be able to
properly handle multipart posts as it is virtually impossible to prevent
such postings from being made.
> Any serious newsreader does not do mime-multipart.
This would seem to be the opposite from what I've seen. All the major
graphical ones (at least for Windows) to handle it, and they all allow
you to specify which format should take precedence. I have that set to
"plain", so I don't actually see the HTML part of a multipart posting
:-)
--
szr
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:48:46 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <68m1vgF2t9mlrU1@mid.individual.net>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jürgen Exner wrote:
> > > > Looks like somebody needs to learn what a signature is...
> > > Isn't it the part of a posting that is following the
> > > dash-dash-blank
> > > line? And that is supposed to be 4 lines max?
> > >
> > > Well, your's over 120+ lines and contained pretty much no
> > > information at all.
> > What are you talking about? His sig is only 2 lines long. Looks like
> > your reader is not setup correctly. If you don't want the text/html
> > portion then tell your reader you only want the text/plain only when
> > it encounters a multipart message.
> Multipart is a feature of EMail. This here is Usenet. There is no such
> thing as multipart in Usenet.
I thought it's UseNet ? I've seen many people make this point before
around here so I'm surprised a regular would make such a slip. Any
newbie would be tarred and feathered to high hell by now for doing that.
> Therefore anything following his signature delimiter line must be
> his signature.
Only if you look at the raw source of the message, but looking at raw
source is not what you would do, right? No, you would look at the
plain-text part of the message, which has a sig 2 lines long.
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wg
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:59:40 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <68m2jtF2t6f4nU1@mid.individual.net>
A. Sinan Unur wrote:
> Nope. Post plain text in text only groups.
Right. But let me pose this; In the 1980's and even in the 90's, this
was the way things were done, and a lot of it was for technical reasons,
right? Do those reasons still really exist? Bandwidth is cheap, screen
resolutions large, ram plentiful, HD sizes growing like there's no
tomorrow, so why use old tech to as a reason to prevent moving forward
in a medium such as UseNet ? Any modern news reader should be able to
easily handle multipart messages and at least basic HTML without
breaking a sweat, so why stifle innovation in the name of preserving old
20+ year old paradigms?
Is anyone still using an 80x25/50 column terminal? What real systems out
there don't have a GUI, I mean come on people, time to come out of the
past already. I'm not saying we should all post in HTML, I prefer plain
myself, but we should not be so afraid of posts that contain
HTML/multiparts. A good tool should be able to, at the very least, deal
with such posts as a user sees fit.
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wg
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Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:25:34 GMT
From: "A. Sinan Unur" <1usa@llenroc.ude.invalid>
Subject: Re: Perl DBI Module: SQL query where there is space in field name
Message-Id: <Xns9A9A88927A3DBasu1cornelledu@127.0.0.1>
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote in
news:68m2jtF2t6f4nU1@mid.individual.net:
> A. Sinan Unur wrote:
>
>> Nope. Post plain text in text only groups.
>
...
> HTML without breaking a sweat, so why stifle innovation in the name of
> preserving old 20+ year old paradigms?
There is no innovation here. Yeah, there is an attempt to change
something but not all change qualifies as innovation. No one's cute
color scheme, liberal use of different font sizes, cute little graphics
provides any enhanced value to me. Frankly, if one cannot express your
programming question (and answers, hopefully, but you just seem to be
another incarnation of the poster whose only purpose here is to argue
against useful conventions rather than trying to help others with their
questions), then one does not belong in a technical group. Knitting or
gardening, maybe.
> Is anyone still using an 80x25/50 column terminal? What real systems
> out there don't have a GUI, I mean come on people, time to come out of
> the past already. I'm not saying we should all post in HTML, I prefer
> plain myself, but we should not be so afraid of posts that contain
> HTML/multiparts.
I am not afraid. Posting in anything other than plain text signals that
the poster is either ignorant or rude.
> A good tool should be able to, at the very least,
> deal with such posts as a user sees fit.
Yes, I have a good tool for that. Won't be seeing your messages again.
Sinan
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