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Today's topics:
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <gneuner2/@/comcast.net>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <lew@lewscanon.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: trailing spaces in unpack("A10") <klaus03@gmail.com>
Re: Why doesn't Perl complain about this bareword? <whynot@pozharski.name>
Why Larry Wall uses this background color #e0ff00 for h <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 21:32:58 -0400
From: George Neuner <gneuner2/@/comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <l097249qdplrlq17jctfthbooqdlgol85e@4ax.com>
On Thu, 08 May 2008 03:25:54 -0700,
usenet1.3.CalRobert@SpamGourmet.Com (Robert Maas,
http://tinyurl.com/uh3t) wrote:
>> From: "xah...@gmail.com" <xah...@gmail.com>
>> the importance of naming of functions.
>
>> ... [take] a keyword and ask a wide
>> audience, who doesn't know about the language or even unfamiliar of
>> computer programing, to guess what it means.
This is a dumb idea ...
>Better would be to reverse the question: Ask
>random people on the street what they would like to call these
>concepts:
... and this one is even dumber.
Terms don't exist in a vacuum - they exist to facilitate communication
within a particular knowledge or skill domain. For example, English
is only meaningful to those who speak English. The opinions of random
people who have no relevant domain knowledge are worthless.
Such a survey could only be meaningful if the survey population
already possessed some knowledge of programming, but were not already
aware of the particular terminology being surveyed.
George
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:33:06 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <68i60lF2tbul4U1@mid.individual.net>
Lew wrote:
> kodifik@eurogaran.com wrote:
> > > | PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> > > | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> >
> > I don't think Xah is trolling here (contrary to his/her habit)
> > but posing an interesting matter of discussion.
>
> Interesting is in the eye of the beholder. After you'd read the same
> recycled crud from certain posters again and again, it because
> trollish spam.
Then why are you reading it? If you don't want to read his posts then
don't. Use your killfile or just skip over his threads.
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wg
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:38:44 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <68i6b5F2soauaU1@mid.individual.net>
Sherman Pendley wrote:
> kodifik@eurogaran.com writes:
> >
> > > PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> > > FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> >
> > I don't think Xah is trolling here (contrary to his/her habit)
> > but posing an interesting matter of discussion.
>
> It might be interesting in the abstract, but any such discussion, when
> cross-posted to multiple language groups on usenet, will inevitably
> devolve into a flamewar as proponents of the various languages argue
> about which language better expresses the ideas being talked about.
> It's like a law of usenet or something.
>
> If Xah wanted an interesting discussion, he could have posted this to
> one language-neutral group such as comp.programming. He doesn't want
> that - he wants the multi-group flamefest.
Not everyone follows language-neutral groups (such as comp,programming
as you pointed out), so you actually reach more people by cross posting.
This is what I don't understand - everyone seems to assume that by cross
posting, one intends on start a "flamefest", when in fact most such
"flamefests" are started by those who cannot bring themselves to
skipping over the topic that they so dislike.
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wg
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 01:45:04 -0400
From: Lew <lew@lewscanon.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <fISdnYstu5R9eb7VnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@comcast.com>
Waylen Gumbal wrote:
> Not everyone follows language-neutral groups (such as comp,programming
> as you pointed out), so you actually reach more people by cross posting.
> This is what I don't understand - everyone seems to assume that by cross
> posting, one intends on start a "flamefest", when in fact most such
> "flamefests" are started by those who cannot bring themselves to
> skipping over the topic that they so dislike.
It's not an assumption in Xah Lee's case. He spams newsgroups irregularly
with rehashed essays from years ago, and a number of people are just tired of
him. Don't blame the victims for the perpetrator's actions, OK?
--
Lew
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 05:45:21 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <9vo724prqd0etqlraapsv8e3j6bcigh5ea@4ax.com>
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sherman Pendley wrote:
>> kodifik@eurogaran.com writes:
>> >
>> > > PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
>> > > FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
>Not everyone follows language-neutral groups (such as comp,programming
>as you pointed out), so you actually reach more people by cross posting.
You seem so have failed to grasp the concept of why Usenet is divided
into separate groups in the first place.
>This is what I don't understand - everyone seems to assume that by cross
>posting, one intends on start a "flamefest", when in fact most such
>"flamefests" are started by those who cannot bring themselves to
>skipping over the topic that they so dislike.
By your argument there is no need for individual groups in the first
place. We could just as well use a single "HereGoesEverything" and just
skip over those topics that we so dislike.
jue
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:43:03 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <68ia3oF2t5308U1@mid.individual.net>
Lew wrote:
> Waylen Gumbal wrote:
>> Not everyone follows language-neutral groups (such as
>> comp,programming as you pointed out), so you actually reach more
>> people by cross posting. This is what I don't understand - everyone
>> seems to assume that by cross posting, one intends on start a
>> "flamefest", when in fact most such "flamefests" are started by
>> those who cannot bring themselves to skipping over the topic that
>> they so dislike.
>
> It's not an assumption in Xah Lee's case. He spams newsgroups
> irregularly with rehashed essays from years ago, and a number of
> people are just tired of him.
I did not know this. One should obviously not do that.
> Don't blame the victims for the perpetrator's actions, OK?
I'm not blaming any "victims", but I don't see anyone saying "read this
or else", so why not just skip the thread or toss the OP in your
killfile so you don't see his postings. If others want to discuss his
topics, who are you or I to tell them not to?
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wg
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:47:46 -0700
From: "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <68iacjF2sq5gcU1@mid.individual.net>
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> "Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sherman Pendley wrote:
> > > kodifik@eurogaran.com writes:
> > > >
> > > > > PLEASE DO NOT | :.:\:\:/:/:.:
> > > > > FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=:
> > Not everyone follows language-neutral groups (such as
> > comp,programming as you pointed out), so you actually reach more
> > people by cross posting.
>
> You seem so have failed to grasp the concept of why Usenet is divided
> into separate groups in the first place.
No, not really. You keep group specific content in the applicable group
or groups only. But are there not times where content overlaps the
topics of multiple groups and to get maximum feedback, post to all
applicable groups (the keyword being "applicable") ?
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wg
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 07:01:02 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Importance of Terminology's Quality
Message-Id: <7ft7249u3a7vmgm50pi7sfcp7m8fevoq2m@4ax.com>
"Waylen Gumbal" <wgumgfy@gmail.com> wrote:
> so why not just skip the thread or toss the OP in your
>killfile so you don't see his postings.
Done years ago.
>If others want to discuss his
>topics, who are you or I to tell them not to?
They are very welcome to do so in an appropriate NG for those topics.
jue
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Klaus <klaus03@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: trailing spaces in unpack("A10")
Message-Id: <16826d58-8b0e-423f-a3b9-ba7d69667a8e@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
On May 8, 11:16 pm, Sherman Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.org> wrote:
> Klaus <klau...@gmail.com> writes:
> > use strict;
> > use warnings;
> > $_ = 'AAA BBB';
> > my $result = unpack("A10", $_);
> > print "result = '$result'\n";
>
> > This is the output:
> > result = 'AAA'
>
> > It basically works, but unpack seems to remove trailing spaces.
>
> Have a look at 'perldoc -f pack' - A capital 'A' indicates that the field
> will be space-padded. It seems that unpack is doing the opposite, removing
> any trailing spaces.
>
> A lowercase 'a' indicates a null-padded string - what happens when you use
> that instead?
That's it, lowercase 'a' works fine (i.e. it preserves trailing
spaces). Thanks to you, and to uri, who pointed me to the relevant
part of the documentation.
--
Klaus
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 22:12:11 +0300
From: Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Perl complain about this bareword?
Message-Id: <btvbf5x42c.ln2@orphan.zombinet>
Ben Morrow <ben@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
> Quoth Eric Pozharski <whynot@pozharski.name>:
*SKIP*
> but since unary + is strictly a no-op
My fault. I've had to guess.
*SKIP*
> and you *will* go insane if you try too hard to make sense of it :).
I don't! I don't! I'm true believer!
*SKIP*
> and filehandles in all caps;
Lexicals? I've thought lexicals must be all-lowercase withou exception.
Please explain.
*CUT*
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:20:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "lovecreatesbea...@gmail.com" <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com>
Subject: Why Larry Wall uses this background color #e0ff00 for his web page
Message-Id: <d1e4e811-b6e5-462a-b3f4-242dc644d0cf@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
http://www.wall.org/~larry/perl.html,
just curious, but this is odd, and does harm the eyes : 0, what do u
think?
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