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Today's topics:
Re: FAQ 4.3 Why isn't my octal data interpreted correct <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Re: FAQ 4.3 Why isn't my octal data interpreted correct <uri@stemsystems.com>
Re: how to simply parse raw image data and output to an <jack_posemsky@yahoo.com>
Re: How would I create a Regular Expression to check jjcassidy@gmail.com
Re: odd file with ^@ characters cartercc@gmail.com
Re: Perl - no longer open source and facing extinction <lihao0129@gmail.com>
Re: Perl - no longer open source and facing extinction <purlgurl@purlgurl.net>
Re: Perl memory manager <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:57:06 +0100
From: "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.3 Why isn't my octal data interpreted correctly?
Message-Id: <slrnfnqj12.rco.hjp-usenet2@hrunkner.hjp.at>
On 2007-12-21 19:51, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
> The difference between "Perl" and "perl" is rather academic. Unlike
> languages like C, which have a formal standard, the abstract language
> "Perl" is only defined by its implementation "perl" and the assorted
> documentation.
>
> The perl documentation has little to say about numbers.
[...]
> An implementation with base 10 would probably be allowed, but it
> certainly isn't required, and I don't know any implementation of perl
> which does use base 10.
As a sort of postscriptum to this thread:
Yesterday I learned that the Power6 architecture supports decimal
floating point numbers in hardware. Assuming that these types are also
supported by IBM's C compiler, there is indeed now a reasonably common
architecture, where a perl with decimal numbers could be built.
hp
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Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:53:43 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 4.3 Why isn't my octal data interpreted correctly?
Message-Id: <x74pduwp7c.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "PJH" == Peter J Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> writes:
PJH> On 2007-12-21 19:51, Peter J. Holzer <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> wrote:
>> The difference between "Perl" and "perl" is rather academic. Unlike
>> languages like C, which have a formal standard, the abstract language
>> "Perl" is only defined by its implementation "perl" and the assorted
>> documentation.
>>
>> The perl documentation has little to say about numbers.
PJH> [...]
>> An implementation with base 10 would probably be allowed, but it
>> certainly isn't required, and I don't know any implementation of perl
>> which does use base 10.
PJH> As a sort of postscriptum to this thread:
PJH> Yesterday I learned that the Power6 architecture supports decimal
PJH> floating point numbers in hardware. Assuming that these types are also
PJH> supported by IBM's C compiler, there is indeed now a reasonably common
PJH> architecture, where a perl with decimal numbers could be built.
hah! i worked on the first power6 models porting PL/I to it. it was
meant to be a vax killer in its day (about 1985). our cpu was about 8mhz
with 8 megs of ram. took up 3 x 4 ft high cabinets including a 9 track
drive. are they still around today in any form?
i wrote a decimal math lib for that project but didn't use any decimal
instructions since it was in pure c and meant to be somewhat portable. i
don't even recall decimal instructions at all but i could be wrong or
they added them in later models. the only uses of that cpu it seems were
in telcos and for a while BSD was developed on it (tahoe was the nick
for that cpu).
and you can write fairly efficient decimal math code using binary
instructions with a technique called excess 3 bcd. i have the start of a
new one meant for p6 but is has languished for years. it does basic +/-
and the design for the rest is done. if anyone wants to play with it,
let me know. written in pure c and should port to any cpu with any word
length.
uri
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:11:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack <jack_posemsky@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: how to simply parse raw image data and output to an image file ?
Message-Id: <d136165f-b7b6-44fb-818f-ceefae566ab2@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 3, 8:19=A0am, Jack <jack_posem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi I have the text file of an email with an image attachment - I am
> ONLY looking to take the raw image (jpg) data that came in from an
> email attachment (I have ALREADY parsed it) and SIMPLY decode and dump
> the contents to an image file so it becomes an image again. =A0I am not
> looking for fancy programs and all kinds of complex MIME:: programs.
> So I did the following assuming the jpg data that came in on an email
> was Base64, and that was wrong since the below didnt work - any ideas
> how to do this ? =A0I am on windows and just want to create the image to
> a directory. =A0I dont work with Perl on unix.
> ##########################################
> use MIME::Base64::Perl;
>
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Hi no need to reply it works now.. thank you !!!!!!!
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:26:26 -0800 (PST)
From: jjcassidy@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How would I create a Regular Expression to check
Message-Id: <47cd431f-9be9-4c5c-a3af-68214c0dd2e0@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 3, 10:17 am, Nathan <nathan.stanf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How would I create a Regular Expression to check Street address for
> any of the below items:
>
> If the first character is a P ...
> p.o. box
> po box
> po. box
> p.o box
> post office box
> POB
> POX
> PODRAWER
> POSTOFFICE
> PO BX
> POBOX
> P/O
>
> If the first character is a B ...
> BX
> BOX
> Buzon -- (Means 'Box' in Spanish)
>
> If the first character is a A ...
> Apartado -- (is 'PO Box in Spanish)
> Aptdo -- (is POB abbreviated in Spanish)
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan
It feels like I'm doing your homework, but here:
(Ap(?>artado|tdo)|B(?>O?X|uzon)|p(?>\.?o\.?|ost office) box|P(?>\/O|
O(?:B|X|DRAWER|STOFFICE|[ ]BX|BOX))
It's just simple decomposition.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:55:43 -0800 (PST)
From: cartercc@gmail.com
Subject: Re: odd file with ^@ characters
Message-Id: <256ac5e4-b4ca-45ca-8a99-389b1cca9458@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 3, 1:38 pm, J=FCrgen Exner <jurge...@hotmail.com>
> Nothing do to with Perl but it appears as if the file is encoded in a 16-b=
it
> encoding, most likely UTF-16.
Yes, thanks, UTF16 it is. Since the guys who will work with this will
use MS apps, I'll bow out ... but I may be back if they ask me to do
something funky with the file (like create a script to spit out a
report, which they may do since I think this will be a continuing
task.)
CC
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:17:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "lihao0129@gmail.com" <lihao0129@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Perl - no longer open source and facing extinction
Message-Id: <dddd962c-0442-43de-b782-878b06a372cf@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Jan 3, 2:56=A0am, Purl Gurl <purlg...@purlgurl.net> wrote:
> >> I am noting the continued demise of Perl programming.
> > open your eyes please, it's not yesteryear's plain CGI world, with the
> > surging MVC and Perl templating systems, there is less needs to go
> > back to the forking-based, single-process, low efficient plain CGI
> > world.. you should at least check mod_perl/fastcgi or tons of Perl
> > modules' mailing lists to see how great Perl is today and will be in
> > the future.. back to 2 years ago when I first checked USENET, I though
> > you were really knowledgeable and I did learn something from you, but
> > now you are probably far lagged behind the Perl progresses. wake
> > up...
>
> Your article borders on being polite. I will respond in kind
> and will avoid childish commentary like yours.
>
> You need to learn a lot. Right off I latched onto your comments
> about mod perl and fast cgi. You appear to not know much about
> this. Those add on programs are good, but this is an adminstration
> level task, this requires changes in server configuration, and
> requires changes in current scripts on a server. This is a very
> difficult task, especially for casual webpage customers who use
> "pre-packaged" scripts with little understanding of those scripts
> and very little knowledge of Perl.
>
> Your evidence of ignorance on this topic, and ignorance does not
> mean stupid rather a lack of knowledge, you display ignorance by
> not mentioning implementing those programs is not for the public.
> This is strictly a high level server implementation.
>
> You come across as mod perl and fast cgi are for anyone and everyone.
> This is not at all true.
>
> You can learn more about mod perl, and this learning applies quite
> well to fast cgi, you can learn here and I strongly urge you to
> spend a couple of hours reading very carefully,
>
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#Sometimes_it_Works...
>
> These are programs for well experienced administrators and
> well experienced Perl programmers. These are not programs for
> casual usage by the public.
You should really seriously read more contexts of that page before
sending it out._) if you do treat Perl as casual, then that is
probably not a right choice for you anyway..
> These programs, mod perl and fast cgi, are very good programs.
> I fully support usage. However, these are limited to those servers
> willing to load those programs, willing to maintain scripts and willing
> to have server resources consumed by always running programs. This
> is very high level "stuff."
>
> You should be careful about claiming others lack knowledge
> while you display a lack of knowledge.
> You mention modules. Perl 5 based modules are a good addition.
> You comment on MVC, templates, forking, processes and all
> Are you absolutely certain you are up on new developments
> in Perl, up on trends in Perl and trends in usage of Perl?
[..snip..]
don't blind yourself just becouse you dont like something. every
technique is making progress through years, no one will wait for you
and beg you to use any specific language or techninques. the bet is on
you, go to the language that makes the best profit for you and no
whining here around please..
lihao.
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Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:12:58 -0800
From: Purl Gurl <purlgurl@purlgurl.net>
Subject: Re: Perl - no longer open source and facing extinction
Message-Id: <3NydnVNg64x2wODanZ2dnUVZ_rrinZ2d@giganews.com>
lihao0129 wrote:
> Purl Gurl wrote:
(snipped to make a point)
> no whining here around please..
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
--
Purl Gurl
--
So many are stumped by what slips right off the top of my mind
like a man's bad fitting hairpiece.
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Subject: Re: Perl memory manager
Message-Id: <fljipv$1ute$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Nishant
<nishant.031@gmail.com>], who wrote in article <ebe644b7-62d8-463f-b378-097d8a366bed@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
> Hi ,
> My understanding about the perl memory manager is that it initially
> allocates a chunk of memory and allocates more memory when required.
> but it does not return the whole memory to the OS. Rather, it keeps it
> with itself ,so that the next time it has to use memory , it can use
> it from the already chunk of memory that it has. Is my understanding
> correct ?
No. What you wrote is applicable to Perl configured with mymalloc.
Perl's compiled with system malloc() will behave differently.
> Also, what is the size of the chunk of the memory that perl allocates
> at one time. Is it variable ?
This is kinda documented somewhere. About 10 years ago, mymalloc
default was to start with about 48K, then increase in >= 3% increments.
Configurable at compile time.
Hope this helps,
Ilya
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