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Sat Dec 22 14:09:42 2007
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:09:06 -0800 (PST)
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Perl-Users Digest Sat, 22 Dec 2007 Volume: 11 Number: 1139
Today's topics:
Re: 5.10 threads :: shared message <zentara@highstream.net>
Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file? <abronte@gmail.com>
Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file? <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file? (Randal L. Schwartz)
new CPAN modules on Sat Dec 22 2007 (Randal Schwartz)
OOP considered snake oil <xah@xahlee.org>
Re: Regex to remove non printable characters <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Re: Regex to remove non printable characters <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Re: Regex to remove non printable characters <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using <5502109103600001@t-online.de>
Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using davidfilmer@gmail.com
Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using <raherh@gmail.com>
Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using (Randal L. Schwartz)
Digest Administrivia (Last modified: 6 Apr 01) (Perl-Users-Digest Admin)
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:51:10 -0500
From: zentara <zentara@highstream.net>
Subject: Re: 5.10 threads :: shared message
Message-Id: <dr1qm3pdmd2nf21re384m2ctq0cc5m43bj@4ax.com>
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:00:44 -0800 (PST), Abble <grg2@comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> my( %Times, %Samples, %Time, %Avg ) : shared = 1; ## line 10
>Any ideas???
Besides the other advice given, when you share hashes, only the top
level keys get shared. So don't expect a deep hash to be completely
shared unless you explicitly share the deeper keys.
zentara
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:24:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam <abronte@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file?
Message-Id: <ec91b3f5-0519-417a-afc5-5e8d3b87d1f0@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
On Dec 21, 6:03 am, PerlFAQ Server <br...@stonehenge.com> wrote:
> This is an excerpt from the latest version perlfaq5.pod, which
> comes with the standard Perl distribution. These postings aim to
> reduce the number of repeated questions as well as allow the community
> to review and update the answers. The latest version of the complete
> perlfaq is athttp://faq.perl.org.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 5.5: How can I copy a file?
>
> (contributed by brian d foy)
>
> Use the File::Copy module. It comes with Perl and can do a true copy
> across file systems, and it does its magic in a portable fashion.
>
> use File::Copy;
>
> copy( $original, $new_copy ) or die "Copy failed: $!";
>
> If you can't use File::Copy, you'll have to do the work yourself: open
> the original file, open the destination file, then print to the
> destination file as you read the original.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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could also do a quick system command
`cp $orig $new`;
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:30:11 +0100
From: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file?
Message-Id: <nippm3t82ujainagrudbhhovdtf0vr1lsb@4ax.com>
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:24:15 -0800 (PST), Adam <abronte@gmail.com>
wrote:
>could also do a quick system command
>
>`cp $orig $new`;
Just like with quite about anything else one may want to do. But if
every faq entry did contain a remark of this kind for all of them,
then they would amount pretty much to a shell manual as a whole. And
you know, the times Perl was posted to comp.sources.unix are long
gone. Your suggestions suffers from the well known, usual portability
issues. Since copying a file is a portable concept, this may matter.
Michele
--
{$_=pack'B8'x25,unpack'A8'x32,$a^=sub{pop^pop}->(map substr
(($a||=join'',map--$|x$_,(unpack'w',unpack'u','G^<R<Y]*YB='
.'KYU;*EVH[.FHF2W+#"\Z*5TI/ER<Z`S(G.DZZ9OX0Z')=~/./g)x2,$_,
256),7,249);s/[^\w,]/ /g;$ \=/^J/?$/:"\r";print,redo}#JAPH,
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:53:51 -0800
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
To: Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it>
Subject: Re: FAQ 5.5 How can I copy a file?
Message-Id: <86k5n6zn4w.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
>>>>> "Michele" == Michele Dondi <bik.mido@tiscalinet.it> writes:
>> could also do a quick system command
>>
>> `cp $orig $new`;
Michele> Just like with quite about anything else one may want to do. But if
Michele> every faq entry did contain a remark of this kind for all of them,
Michele> then they would amount pretty much to a shell manual as a whole. And
Michele> you know, the times Perl was posted to comp.sources.unix are long
Michele> gone. Your suggestions suffers from the well known, usual portability
Michele> issues. Since copying a file is a portable concept, this may matter.
Additionally, you've got the broken idiom of using backquotes in a
void context, and not properly accounting for shell metacharacters.
I mean, even if you *wanted* to use cp, you should do this:
system "cp", $orig, $new;
*Sigh*. Kids these days. :)
print "Just another Perl hacker,"; # the original
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:42:16 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Sat Dec 22 2007
Message-Id: <JtFruG.xw@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
Acme-MetaSyntactic-daleks-1.00
http://search.cpan.org/~saper/Acme-MetaSyntactic-daleks-1.00/
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
----
Apache-Session-1.85
http://search.cpan.org/~chorny/Apache-Session-1.85/
A persistence framework for session data
----
Astro-SpaceTrack-0.031
http://search.cpan.org/~wyant/Astro-SpaceTrack-0.031/
Retrieve orbital data from www.space-track.org.
----
CPANPLUS-Dist-Mdv-0.3.4
http://search.cpan.org/~jquelin/CPANPLUS-Dist-Mdv-0.3.4/
a cpanplus backend to build mandriva rpms
----
CatalystX-CRUD-0.19
http://search.cpan.org/~karman/CatalystX-CRUD-0.19/
CRUD framework for Catalyst applications
----
CatalystX-CRUD-View-Excel-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~karman/CatalystX-CRUD-View-Excel-0.03/
view CRUD search/list results in Excel format
----
Class-MOP-0.50
http://search.cpan.org/~stevan/Class-MOP-0.50/
A Meta Object Protocol for Perl 5
----
Curses-UI-0.96
http://search.cpan.org/~mdxi/Curses-UI-0.96/
A curses based OO user interface framework
----
Data-Dump-Streamer-2.06-38
http://search.cpan.org/~yves/Data-Dump-Streamer-2.06-38/
Accurately serialize a data structure as Perl code.
----
Data-Dump-Streamer-2.07-39
http://search.cpan.org/~yves/Data-Dump-Streamer-2.07-39/
Accurately serialize a data structure as Perl code.
----
Data-Dump-Streamer-2.08-40
http://search.cpan.org/~yves/Data-Dump-Streamer-2.08-40/
Accurately serialize a data structure as Perl code.
----
Data-Table-1.52
http://search.cpan.org/~ezdb/Data-Table-1.52/
Data type related to database tables, spreadsheets, CSV/TSV files, HTML table displays, etc.
----
Device-CableModem-SURFboard-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~ruzam/Device-CableModem-SURFboard-0.02/
----
Geo-Ov2-Grabber-0.01_01
http://search.cpan.org/~hpa/Geo-Ov2-Grabber-0.01_01/
The great new Geo::Ov2::Grabber!
----
Graphics-ColorNames-EmergyC-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~rrwo/Graphics-ColorNames-EmergyC-1.01/
Eco-friendly web-design color-palette.
----
Linux-Input-Wiimote-0.04001
http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/Linux-Input-Wiimote-0.04001/
Perl interface to the libcwiimote library
----
Linux-Input-Wiimote-0.04002
http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/Linux-Input-Wiimote-0.04002/
Perl interface to the libcwiimote library
----
Locale-Country-Multilingual-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~fayland/Locale-Country-Multilingual-0.03/
ISO codes for country identification with multi-language (ISO 3166)
----
MooseX-Daemonize-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~stevan/MooseX-Daemonize-0.06/
Role for daemonizing your Moose based application
----
MooseX-Getopt-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~blblack/MooseX-Getopt-0.08/
A Moose role for processing command line options
----
MooseX-LazyLogDispatch-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~blblack/MooseX-LazyLogDispatch-0.01/
A Logging Role for Moose
----
MooseX-LazyLogDispatch-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~blblack/MooseX-LazyLogDispatch-0.02/
A Logging Role for Moose
----
Object-InsideOut-3.35
http://search.cpan.org/~jdhedden/Object-InsideOut-3.35/
Comprehensive inside-out object support module
----
POE-Component-Client-FTP-0.12
http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-Client-FTP-0.12/
Implements an FTP client POE Component
----
POE-Component-Server-SimpleHTTP-1.30
http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-Server-SimpleHTTP-1.30/
Perl extension to serve HTTP requests in POE.
----
POE-Loop-Glib-0.0032
http://search.cpan.org/~martijn/POE-Loop-Glib-0.0032/
a bridge that supports Glib's event loop from POE
----
POE-Loop-Glib-0.0033
http://search.cpan.org/~martijn/POE-Loop-Glib-0.0033/
a bridge that supports Glib's event loop from POE
----
PPM-Make-0.95
http://search.cpan.org/~rkobes/PPM-Make-0.95/
Make a ppm package from a CPAN distribution
----
Prima-1.24
http://search.cpan.org/~karasik/Prima-1.24/
a perl graphic toolkit
----
Proc-Fork-0.5
http://search.cpan.org/~aristotle/Proc-Fork-0.5/
Simple, intuitive interface to the fork() system call
----
Roman-1.22
http://search.cpan.org/~chorny/Roman-1.22/
Perl module for conversion between Roman and Arabic numerals.
----
Rose-DBx-Garden-Catalyst-0.07
http://search.cpan.org/~karman/Rose-DBx-Garden-Catalyst-0.07/
plant Roses in your Catalyst garden
----
SQL-Tokenizer-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~izut/SQL-Tokenizer-0.09/
A simple SQL tokenizer.
----
String-CaseProfile-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~enell/String-CaseProfile-0.01/
Get/Set the letter case profile of a string
----
String-CaseProfile-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~enell/String-CaseProfile-0.02/
Get/Set the letter case profile of a string
----
Text-MicroMason-1.993_01
http://search.cpan.org/~ferrency/Text-MicroMason-1.993_01/
Simple and Extensible Templating
----
Tk-Wizard-2.125
http://search.cpan.org/~lgoddard/Tk-Wizard-2.125/
GUI for step-by-step interactive logical process
----
Tk-Wizard-2.126
http://search.cpan.org/~lgoddard/Tk-Wizard-2.126/
GUI for step-by-step interactive logical process
----
Tk-Wizard-2.127
http://search.cpan.org/~lgoddard/Tk-Wizard-2.127/
GUI for step-by-step interactive logical process
----
Tk-Wizard-2.128
http://search.cpan.org/~lgoddard/Tk-Wizard-2.128/
GUI for step-by-step interactive logical process
----
WWW-OpenSearch-0.13
http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/WWW-OpenSearch-0.13/
Search A9 OpenSearch compatible engines
----
WWW-Reddit-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~amoore/WWW-Reddit-0.04/
interface with reddit.com
----
XHTML-MediaWiki-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~gam/XHTML-MediaWiki-0.04/
Translate Wiki markup into xhtml
----
YVDHOVE-List-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-List-1.01/
Perl module that provides List functions used by the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-List-1.02
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-List-1.02/
Perl module that provides List functions used by the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-List-1.03
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-List-1.03/
This Perl module provides "List" functions for the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-String-1.03
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-String-1.03/
Perl module that provides String functions used by the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-String-1.04
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-String-1.04/
Perl module that provides String functions used by the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-String-1.05
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-String-1.05/
This Perl module provides "String" functions for the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-System-1.01
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-System-1.01/
This Perl module provides "System" functions for the YVDHOVE framework
----
YVDHOVE-System-1.02
http://search.cpan.org/~yvdhove/YVDHOVE-System-1.02/
This Perl module provides "System" functions for the YVDHOVE framework
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:45:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Xah Lee <xah@xahlee.org>
Subject: OOP considered snake oil
Message-Id: <5aa83f5b-2744-491e-ae8f-59d1103572b6@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
Of interest:
$B!V(B... what society overwhelmingly asks for is snake oil. Of course, the
snake oil has the most impressive names --otherwise you would be
selling nothing-- like "Structured Analysis and Design", "Software
Engineering", "Maturity Models", "Management Information Systems",
"Integrated Project Support Environments" "Object Orientation" and
"Business Process Re-engineering" (the latter three being known as
IPSE, OO and BPR, respectively).$B!W(B
by Edsger W Dijkstra, 1994, from
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html
Xah
xah@xahlee.org
$B-t(B http://xahlee.org/
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:00:16 +0100
From: "Dr.Ruud" <rvtol+news@isolution.nl>
Subject: Re: Regex to remove non printable characters
Message-Id: <fkiqrg.17c.1@news.isolution.nl>
Larry schreef:
> John W. Krahn:
> [remove non printable chars]
> is this fine?
> $input =~ tr/\x80-\xFF//d;
No. How about chr(0x00)..chr(0x1F)?
And characters > "\x{FF}"?
--
Affijn, Ruud
"Gewoon is een tijger."
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:01 GMT
From: Jürgen Exner <jurgenex@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Regex to remove non printable characters
Message-Id: <vj1qm3dtbi4kg0iuvok797m27ejqf76894@4ax.com>
On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:53:18 +0100, Larry <dontmewithme@got.it> wrote:
>In article <fe0bj.9527$wy2.5863@edtnps90>,
> "John W. Krahn" <dummy@example.com> wrote:
>
>> $input =~ s/[^[:ascii:]]+//g;
>>
>>
>> >...that's to say i'd like to remove non printable chars...
>>
>> $input =~ s/[^[:print:]]+//g;
>
>is this fine?
>
>$input =~ tr/\x80-\xFF//d;
Depends what you are looking for (you still didn't clarify).
It will remove non-ASCII character in the typical 8-bit encodings.
It will _NOT_ remove non-printable characters.
Maybe you should make up your mind and let us know _which_ of these two
you are actually trying to do.
jue
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:26:56 +0100
From: "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Subject: Re: Regex to remove non printable characters
Message-Id: <fkj72b$1n26$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>
Larry wrote:
> Hi peeps,
>
> I'd like to remove all characters with ascii values > 127 from
> a string...that's to say i'd like to remove non printable chars...
>
> is the following fine?
>
> my $input =~ s/[^ -~]+//g;
>
> thanks ever so much!
Maybe this do it
my $input =~ s/[\x00-\x09\x0B\x0C\x0E-\x1F\x80-\xFF]//g;
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:53:47 -0800
From: Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using
Message-Id: <bclu35xn4g.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>
On 2007-12-22, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com> wrote:
>
> That's like saying "Please - no platform wars, but which is better,
> XBOX 360, PS/3, or Wii?". Can't be done. :)
I prefer the PS/2. The Model 80 was pretty nice. ;-)
--keith
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:27:30 +0100
From: Josef Moellers <5502109103600001@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using
Message-Id: <fkihr9$26q$03$1@news.t-online.com>
John M. Gamble wrote:
> In article <fkg321$ags$1@nntp.fujitsu-siemens.com>,
> Josef Moellers <josef.moellers@fujitsu-siemens.com> wrote:
>> was like ed but full-screen (and it was able to solve a maze ;-), now
>
> (*) Maze?
'that a question?
There was an ingenious script using :map and yank buffers that was able
to traverse a randomly generated map.
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:21:38 -0800 (PST)
From: davidfilmer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using
Message-Id: <e6a7fdba-0fd0-4153-9c37-ecad48b5c69f@l6g2000prm.googlegroups.com>
On Dec 20, 8:52 pm, John Bokma <j...@castleamber.com> wrote:
> Pwhat's the editor of choice you're using to write Perl
For many years it was Nedit. Sometimes Jedit when I didn't have a
proper X-server available. Lately it's Komodo.
> and why (if you want to share).
My main computer at work is a Window$ boxen, but I maintain programs
on AIX servers. So I need something that works seamlessly over ssh,
and I personally dislike VI/VIM, and I was intimidated by EMACS (egad
- I'd rather learn LaTeX). Nedit is the only graphical editor that
runs worth a fig over an ssh connection (Kate is nice, but SLOW SLOW
SLOW over a remote connection). Nedit has the best syntax
highlighting for Perl I have ever seen.
Jedit (with the SSH plugin) works OK, but syntax highlighting and
performance (it's Java) leave much to be desired.
Lately I use Komodo. Why? Somebody else (my employer) pays the
bill. If Komodo were free, I bet most of the people in this group
would be using it! Nothing else comes even close. Right now I've got
22 Perl programs on nine different servers open in a Komodo window.
It talks to cvs or svn, and has integrated Perl debugging (on the
remote host), and a boatload of other great stuff. It works
seamlessly through ssh tunnels. If my computer crashes (as Window$
tends to do) then I loose nothing.
--
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:30:53 +0000
From: rahed <raherh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using
Message-Id: <u7ij6yhyq.fsf@gmail.com>
John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> writes:
> And of course I want to know, which editor you are using ;-)
I'd say emacs if his agent is gnus.
--
Radek
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:56:04 -0800
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Which editor for Perl hacking are you using
Message-Id: <86ejdezn17.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
>>>>> "rahed" == rahed <raherh@gmail.com> writes:
rahed> John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> writes:
>> And of course I want to know, which editor you are using ;-)
rahed> I'd say emacs if his agent is gnus.
Indeed. Once a month or so, I type "screen emacs" on my server,
and ssh into it from day to day and do *all* of my work, even firing
up mail and shell windows inside this single instance of emacs.
People who complain about the Emacs startup time are not using Emacs
properly. :) *What* startup time? It'd be like complaining about
the Firefox startup time every time you wanted to go to a *different*
web page. :)
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#perl-users-request@ruby.oce.orst.edu. Do not waste your time or mine
#sending perl questions to the -request address, I don't have time to
#answer them even if I did know the answer.
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