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Thu Oct 4 06:09:37 2007
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:09:03 -0700 (PDT)
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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 4 Oct 2007 Volume: 11 Number: 904
Today's topics:
Re: @_ zero byte problem <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
Re: jabba the tuh <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Re: jabba the tuh <jeremy.numer@nowhere.example.com>
Re: line 16 <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
new CPAN modules on Thu Oct 4 2007 (Randal Schwartz)
Re: Problem installing IO::Compress::Base <paul.marquess@btinternet.com>
SIG{'PIPE'} <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and <gneuner2/@comcast.net>
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and <gneuner2/@comcast.net>
Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and <timx@nospam.dev.null>
Re: Trying to start a perl script as Windows Service <rkb@i.frys.com>
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:36:47 -0500
From: "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: @_ zero byte problem
Message-Id: <13g8gvgnrfmu8cd@corp.supernews.com>
On 10/03/2007 08:03 PM, Jeff wrote:
> I have a sub where I pass in a "binary" and write it to a file
>
>
> something like:
>
> sub storeImage{
> my ($image) = @_;
>
>
> open(IF,">$ENV{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/test.jpg") or die "$!";
> binmode IF;
> while (read($image,$Buffer,1024)){print IF $Buffer;}
> close (IF)|| die "$!";
> }
>
> Now, when I run that it prints a 0 byte file, it didn't used to.
>
> If I modify the script to shift it off like this:
>
>
> sub storeImage{
>
> my $image=shift;
> ....}
>
> This works correctly. What has changed on this server that this is now
> failing?
>
> Sometimes I like to use @_ because if you have a null element in the
> middle of a list being passed in you get it in the correct order while
> shifting off a list will get this wrong.
>
> Jeff
I don't know what's wrong with the server, but try this:
my $image = $_[0];
Even better, use File::Slurp;
use File::Slurp;
sub storeImage {
my $image = shift;
write_file("$ENV{DOCUMENT_ROOT}/test.jpg", $image);
}
Is that not simpler? :-)
If you're still curious about what is in @_, use Data::Dumper:
use Data::Dumper;
sub storeImage {
print Dumper(\@_);
}
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Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:05:02 -0500
From: Tad McClellan <tadmc@seesig.invalid>
Subject: Re: jabba the tuh
Message-Id: <slrnfg8f1u.lgq.tadmc@tadmc30.sbcglobal.net>
Wade Ward <zaxfuuq@invalid.net> wrote:
> comment1) if you would like to killfile me, please do so now and save the
> girlish "plonk" replies; it interrupts my threads.
Im in ur group, interrupting ur threads.
--
Tad McClellan
email: perl -le "print scalar reverse qq/moc.noitatibaher\100cmdat/"
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:15:32 -0500
From: Jeremy Numer <jeremy.numer@nowhere.example.com>
Subject: Re: jabba the tuh
Message-Id: <13g8floa44p8m6e@corp.supernews.com>
On 10/03/2007 05:04 PM, Wade Ward wrote:
> "Charlton Wilbur" <cwilbur@chromatico.net> wrote in message
> news:877im46vx4.fsf@mithril.chromatico.net...
>>>>>>> "WW" == Wade Ward <zaxfuuq@invalid.net> writes:
>> WW> question 1) How do I use the ppl to get "jabba the hut" as
>> WW> output.
>>
>> print "jabba the hut\n";
>>
>> If you want more than that, you have to explain clearly where "jabba
>> the hut" comes from. And I suspect that once you correctly identify
>> that, you'll be very close to solving the problem on your own.
>>
> Thanks all for replies. Michele errs when he claims that getting plonked by
> one of 800 million Indians, because I'm the type of guy who would jusy as
> soon blow up your country as talk to you. Idle threat? I can launch a
> pound of hamburger from my desk here in abq and hit 60 e to 90 e, the
> equator plus 30 in ihat oh I don't, 10^20 times, and depending on how close
> I want to get, wipe out 80 percent of India's cows. I don't like being
> called an idiot online by a stranger.
>
Wade Ward, I'm concerned about you. You sound like you're having some
mental an cognitive problems (not condescending, not an insult). The
newsgroups are not an appropriate environment for someone who does not
like to be insulted.
> Michele and I had a lot of the germane questions ironed out in our personal
> correspondednce. They did not survive re-entry to ABQ, and I'll have it
> cook again from scratch.
What is ABQ? Please spell out words.
> I see that I have comment for line 16, and it
> looks to be from people who a)know what they're talking about
> b) aren't playing a practical joke on me (recall {debug}in the
> cunstrcurtprfcrero)
How is anyone other than you supposed to understand this?
> c) c.l.c. is in a straightjacket because of jabba the tuh. They're all
> convinced that the only thing you can do is doodle with pointers. I gotta
> eat.
>
Why tell us when you have to eat? Can't you just eat?
> Since I committed to lewarning the ppl, I've moved over a thousand miles
> throught places like stl a month ago: 101 and humid. My uncle, director of
> comp sci at SLU, does not have an airconditioner. If that isn't enough to
> pernutmmute my neurons, the poklics e beat me down 4 days ago.
What are the poklics? What's "e"?
> It's
> actually the reason that I'm not working on what I usually do:
What do you usually do?
> they took
> turns on my knees. While i might plan to dump hundreds of billions of tons
> of hamburger on islamabad, the only thing they heard is what those 8 pieces
> of shit are going to hear: plop. Others will hear the boom.
>
This sounds angry. It's in your best interest to shed the anger.
BTW, how did you lose your left hand?
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:21:00 -0500
From: "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: line 16
Message-Id: <13g8g1ve5ff6v2f@corp.supernews.com>
On 10/03/2007 06:24 PM, Wade Ward wrote:
> "Mumia W." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13g5luqi5jdfhb4@corp.supernews.com...
>> On 10/02/2007 05:49 PM, Wade Ward wrote:
>>> #!/usr/bin/env perl
>>> use strict;
>>> use warnings;
>>> use Net::NNTP;
>>>
>>> my $nntp = Net::NNTP->new('newsgroups.comcast.net', Debug => 1 );
>>> my $USER = '';
>>> my $PASS = '';
>>>
>>> $nntp->authinfo($USER,$PASS) or die $!;
>>>
>>>
>>> $nntp->group('comp.lang.perl.misc')
>>> or die "failed to set group c.l.p.m.\n";
>>> my $msg_ids_ref = $nntp->newnews(time() - 24*60*60);
>>> die "Failed to retrieve message ids\n" unless @{$msg_ids_ref};
>>>
>>> open my $ofh, '>', 'articles.txt'
>>> or die "Cannot open articles.txt: $!";
>>> for my $msg_id (@{$msg_ids_ref}) {
>>> $nntp->article($msg_id, $ofh)
>>> or die "Failed to retrieve article $msg_id\n";
>>> }
>>> close $ofh;
>>> __END__
>>> #end script begin comment
>>> q3) Why does perl.exe not like line 16? I've correceted this before but
>>> forget how. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> gruss,
>> Which one is line 16?
>>
>> Please create a much more descriptive and precise subject line.
> Are you dumb?
>
>> Please read and act on the information here:
>> http://www.augustmail.com/~tadmc/clpmisc/clpmisc_guidelines.html
>
> Jesus balls. Line 16 from the top. Shebang is number one.
Don't curse. If you curse God, He may curse you.
Please read the posting guidelines anyway. If you've already read them,
read them again.
I'm not trying to be rude to you; I'm giving you good advice that will
dramatically improve the quality of the help you get in this newsgroup.
Of course, Tad Maclellen gets the credit for hosting the guidelines.
Thanks Tad.
To answer your question Wade, evidently NEWNEWS is not supported by
newsgroups.comcast.net. I tried your program with three free news
servers, and only one of them supported NEWNEWS.
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 04:42:28 GMT
From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal Schwartz)
Subject: new CPAN modules on Thu Oct 4 2007
Message-Id: <JpDEEs.1B2H@zorch.sf-bay.org>
The following modules have recently been added to or updated in the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network (CPAN). You can install them using the
instructions in the 'perlmodinstall' page included with your Perl
distribution.
Biblio-EndnoteStyle-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/Biblio-EndnoteStyle-0.05/
reference formatting using Endnote-like templates
----
Blosxom-Debug-0.001
http://search.cpan.org/~gavinc/Blosxom-Debug-0.001/
a blosxom helper module and source filter to provide a standardised debug() logging helper to blosxom plugins
----
Blosxom-Include-0.001
http://search.cpan.org/~gavinc/Blosxom-Include-0.001/
a perl source filter to allow external configuration settings to be included within blosxom plugins with minimal code
----
Cache-Memcached-Managed-0.17
http://search.cpan.org/~elizabeth/Cache-Memcached-Managed-0.17/
provide API for managing cached information
----
Class-Simple-0.15
http://search.cpan.org/~sullivan/Class-Simple-0.15/
Simple Object-Oriented Base Class
----
Config-Patch-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~mschilli/Config-Patch-0.08/
Patch configuration files and unpatch them later
----
DBIx-Class-HTML-FormFu-0.01004
http://search.cpan.org/~cfranks/DBIx-Class-HTML-FormFu-0.01004/
Fill a HTML::FormFu form from the database and vice-versa
----
Devel-SearchINC-1.31
http://search.cpan.org/~marcel/Devel-SearchINC-1.31/
loading Perl modules from their development dirs
----
File-Rename-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~rmbarker/File-Rename-0.05/
Perl extension for renaming multiple files
----
Filter-Object-Simple-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~cornelius/Filter-Object-Simple-0.01/
Binding the built-in functions with Array,Hash.
----
Geo-GoogleEarth-Document-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~mrdvt/Geo-GoogleEarth-Document-0.08/
Creates a GoogleEarth KML Document
----
Gtk2-Phat-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~flora/Gtk2-Phat-0.03/
Perl interface to the Phat widget collection
----
HTML-TagCloud-Sortable-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~bricas/HTML-TagCloud-Sortable-0.01/
A sortable HTML tag cloud
----
HTML-Template-Filter-TT2-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~saper/HTML-Template-Filter-TT2-0.02/
Template Toolkit 2 syntax for HTML::Template
----
LaTeX-Driver-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~andrewf/LaTeX-Driver-0.06/
Latex driver
----
LaTeX-Encode-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~andrewf/LaTeX-Encode-0.03/
encode characters for LaTeX formatting
----
Language-Tea-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~msilva/Language-Tea-0.02/
A Tea code converter.
----
Logfile-EPrints-1.13
http://search.cpan.org/~timbrody/Logfile-EPrints-1.13/
Process Web log files for institutional repositories
----
MARC-Errorchecks-1.13
http://search.cpan.org/~eijabb/MARC-Errorchecks-1.13/
Collection of MARC 21/AACR2 error checks
----
MARC-Lint-1.43
http://search.cpan.org/~eijabb/MARC-Lint-1.43/
Perl extension for checking validity of MARC records
----
Mail-Karmasphere-Client-2.14
http://search.cpan.org/~shevek/Mail-Karmasphere-Client-2.14/
Client for Karmasphere Reputation Server
----
Module-Install-StandardTests-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~marcel/Module-Install-StandardTests-0.03/
generate standard tests for installation
----
Module-Load-Conditional-0.20
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/Module-Load-Conditional-0.20/
Looking up module information / loading at runtime
----
Module-Release-1.17_10
http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Module-Release-1.17_10/
Automate software releases
----
Module-Release-Git-0.10_01
http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Module-Release-Git-0.10_01/
Use Git instead of CVS with Module::Release
----
MooseX-GlobRef-Object-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~dexter/MooseX-GlobRef-Object-0.02/
Store a Moose object in glob reference
----
MySpam-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~mlawren/MySpam-0.04/
Database operations for the MySpam application
----
MySpam-0.05
http://search.cpan.org/~mlawren/MySpam-0.05/
Database operations for the MySpam application
----
Net-TFTPd-0.03
http://search.cpan.org/~lmasara/Net-TFTPd-0.03/
Perl extension for Trivial File Transfer Protocol Server
----
Parallel-Iterator-0.3.0
http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Parallel-Iterator-0.3.0/
Simple parallel execution
----
Parallel-Iterator-0.4.0
http://search.cpan.org/~andya/Parallel-Iterator-0.4.0/
Simple parallel execution
----
Parse-Marpa-v0.1_7
http://search.cpan.org/~jkegl/Parse-Marpa-v0.1_7/
Earley's Algorithm, with improvements
----
Parse-Readelf-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~dorner/Parse-Readelf-0.02/
handle readelf's output with a class
----
Sendmail_M4.0.27a
http://search.cpan.org/~cml/Sendmail_M4.0.27a/
----
Sendmail_M4.0.27b
http://search.cpan.org/~cml/Sendmail_M4.0.27b/
----
Slay-Makefile-Gress-0.04
http://search.cpan.org/~nodine/Slay-Makefile-Gress-0.04/
Use Slay::Makefile for software regression testing
----
Template-Plugin-Latex-3.00_02
http://search.cpan.org/~andrewf/Template-Plugin-Latex-3.00_02/
Template Toolkit plugin for Latex
----
Template-Plugin-Latex-3.00_03
http://search.cpan.org/~andrewf/Template-Plugin-Latex-3.00_03/
Template Toolkit plugin for Latex
----
Term-Shell-Enhanced-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/~marcel/Term-Shell-Enhanced-0.01/
more functionality for Term::Shell
----
Term-UI-0.16
http://search.cpan.org/~kane/Term-UI-0.16/
Term::ReadLine UI made easy
----
Test-Compile-0.02
http://search.cpan.org/~marcel/Test-Compile-0.02/
check whether Perl module files compile correctly
----
Thread-Queue-Any-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~elizabeth/Thread-Queue-Any-0.09/
thread-safe queues for any data-structure
----
Thread-Queue-Any-Monitored-0.08
http://search.cpan.org/~elizabeth/Thread-Queue-Any-Monitored-0.08/
monitor a queue for any specific content
----
Thread-Queue-Monitored-0.09
http://search.cpan.org/~elizabeth/Thread-Queue-Monitored-0.09/
monitor a queue for specific content
----
Tk-Autoscroll-1.14
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-Autoscroll-1.14/
space invaders-like scrolling
----
Tk-CanvasFig-1.015
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-CanvasFig-1.015/
additional Tk::Canvas methods for dealing with figs
----
Tk-ContextHelp-0.11
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-ContextHelp-0.11/
context-sensitive help with perl/Tk
----
Unix-Syslog-1.0
http://search.cpan.org/~mharnisch/Unix-Syslog-1.0/
Perl interface to the UNIX syslog(3) calls
----
WE_Framework-0.097_02
http://search.cpan.org/~srezic/WE_Framework-0.097_02/
----
WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.45
http://search.cpan.org/~corion/WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.45/
An interactive shell for WWW::Mechanize
----
WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.46
http://search.cpan.org/~corion/WWW-Mechanize-Shell-0.46/
An interactive shell for WWW::Mechanize
----
Web-Scraper-0.20
http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.20/
Web Scraping Toolkit inspired by Scrapi
----
Web-Scraper-0.21
http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.21/
Web Scraping Toolkit inspired by Scrapi
----
XML-Compile-SOAP-0.55
http://search.cpan.org/~markov/XML-Compile-SOAP-0.55/
base-class for SOAP implementations
----
XML-Parser-Wrapper-0.06
http://search.cpan.org/~dowens/XML-Parser-Wrapper-0.06/
A simple object wrapper around XML::Parser
----
beancounter_0.8.8
http://search.cpan.org/~edd/beancounter_0.8.8/
Stock portfolio performance monitor tool
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:17:38 +0100
From: Paul Marquess <paul.marquess@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Problem installing IO::Compress::Base
Message-Id: <4704afb2$0$7361$4d4eb98e@read.news.uk.uu.net>
John Oliver wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:22:00 +0100, Ben Morrow wrote:
>>
>> Quoth John Oliver <joliver@john-oliver.net>:
>><snip>
>>> # Failed test (t/01misc.t at line 29)
>>> # You don't have the XS version of Scalar::Util
>>
>> Seems fairly self-explanatory to me... you need to (re-)install
>> Scalar::Util, so you get the XS version.
>
> For the archives, as inevitably someone will email me about this in two
> years... :-)
>
> This was fixed by removing and reinstalling all perl packages (RHEL 5).
> There is no Scalar::Util::XS and no way that I can see of determining
> whether or not Scalar::Util is "XS" or not. I mention this because
> Google was of no help whatsoever with this... a few mentions of others
> getting the same error, but no explanations of how
> to determine whether or not you're installing an "XS" version of
> Scalar::Util This was probably one of the packages installed via RPM,
> and it's a complete mystery to me how from one install I do not have XS
> but another I do. I know nothing about perl other than to (try to)
> install whatever modules a given program needs, and I know i'm not the
> only one in that boat :-)
Reinstalling all packages seems a fairly drastic step. I would have thought
that reinstalling Scalar::Util would have been enough to sort this out.
Paul
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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 03:41:38 +0200
From: "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Subject: SIG{'PIPE'}
Message-Id: <fe1gd2$2nt5$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>
I wrote some script to grab web pages, parse and store data to MySQL
database. On my local PC script work fine but on hosting server many times
fail for ungnown reason. So I write this to script
$SIG{'QUIT'}=sub {errexit("SIG-QUIT");};
$SIG{'TERM'}=sub {errexit("SIG-TERM")};
$SIG{'PIPE'}=sub {errexit("SIG-PIPE")};
$SIG{'__DIE__'}=sub {errexit("SIG-DIE")};
where errxit() is my function to write text to log file and exit. Now I know
that script fail for SIG{'PIPE'} but I don't know why. For get webpage I use
LWP module and I get from 20 to 50 pages before SIG{'PIPE'} terminate my
script.
Can anybody describe me in which cases SIG{'PIPE'} can occur?
--
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from another non-spammer site please.)
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:30:08 -0400
From: George Neuner <gneuner2/@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
Message-Id: <8gn8g35m3rtb4n4l2ouk55vv54bsfbga4r@4ax.com>
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:20:38 +0000 (UTC), bcd@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C
Dalager) wrote:
>In article <l0h7g3tqsgjs948i5o2pb0u2m87m2hbtf0@4ax.com>,
>George Neuner <gneuner2/@comcast.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:36:40 +0000 (UTC), bcd@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C
>>Dalager) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Only if you're being exceedingly pedantic and probably not even
>>>then. Webster 1913 lists, among other meanings,
>>>
>>>Free
>>>(...)
>>>"Liberated, by arriving at a certain age, from the control
>>>of parents, guardian, or master."
>>>
>>>The point presumably being that having been "liberated", you are now
>>>"free".
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>The English language has degenerated significantly in the last 30
>>years.
>> (...)
>>
>>Dictionaries used to be the arbiters of the language - any word or
>>meaning of a word not found in the dictionary was considered a
>>colloquial (slang) use. Since the 1980's, an entry in the dictionary
>>has become little more than evidence of popularity as the major
>>dictionaries (OED, Webster, Cambridge, etc.) will now consider any
>>word they can find used in print.
>
>Apparantly, you missed the part where I referred to the 1913 edition
>of Webster. I have kept it in the quoted text above for your
>convenience. I can assure you that 1913 is both more than 30 years ago
>/and/ it is before 1980, in case that was in doubt.
>
>Cheers
> Bent D
I didn't miss it. Your post was just an opportunity to rant.
George
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 01:33:11 -0400
From: George Neuner <gneuner2/@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
Message-Id: <8sn8g39v75hg114lf3m9m911ib2ajddaui@4ax.com>
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:07:32 +0100, dan@telent.net wrote:
>George Neuner wrote:
>> Symbolism over substance has become the mantra
>> of the young.
>
>"Symbolism: The practice of representing things by means of symbols or
>of attributing symbolic meanings or significance to objects, events, or
>relationships."
>
>One might even suggest that all written language is based on the use of
>words as symbols.
>
>"Substance: (2)
> a. Essential nature; essence.
> b. Gist; heart."
>
>"Mantra: A sacred verbal formula repeated in prayer, meditation, or
>incantation, such as an invocation of a god, a magic spell, or a
>syllable or portion of scripture containing mystical potentialities."
>
>Perhaps the young people you're referring to are not the same young
>people that I know, because I've never even heard of a religion whose
>object of reverence is meta-level analysis of language.
The Christian Bible says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word
was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1. Theologians and
philosophers have been writing about it for quite a few centuries.
Or, how about politics? Another example from the Judeo-Christian
Bible (that is, from the Old Testament), politicking was the sin that
resulted in Lucifer's fall from God's grace.
[Yeah, I know the official story is that Lucifer's sin was envy.
Trust me ... I was there. God didn't have a clue until Lucifer went
and organized the rally to protest God's policy on human souls (back
then God trusted his angels and was not in the habit of reading their
minds). He didn't find out that Lucifer was behind the protests until
after Michael's police units had put down the riots. When it was all
over, God didn't care that Lucifer had been envious or prideful or
lustful ... He was simply pissed that Lucifer had protested His
policies.
Shortly after He outlawed beer in Heaven because many of the rioters
had been drunk. Then He started a program of wire-tapping without
warrants to spy on innocent angels. I was ready to leave when He
closed the pubs, the illegal wire-taps just clinched it.]
>Tell me, do you know what "hyperbole" means?
Yes I do.
George
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Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:19:27 +1000
From: Tim X <timx@nospam.dev.null>
Subject: Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding
Message-Id: <87ir5n2q5c.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au>
George Neuner <gneuner2/@comcast.net> writes:
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:36:40 +0000 (UTC), bcd@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C
> Dalager) wrote:
>
>>In article <85ve9ov971.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>>>bcd@pvv.ntnu.no (Bent C Dalager) writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <fdtsfu$iq6$03$1@news.t-online.com>,
>>>> Frank Goenninger <frgo@goenninger.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I didn't start the discussion. So you should ask the OP about the
>>>>>why. I jumped in when I came across the so often mentioned "hey, it's
>>>>>all well defined" statement was brought in. I simply said that if that
>>>>>"well-definedness" is against "common understanding" then I don't give
>>>>>a damn about that clever definitions. Because I have to know that there
>>>>>are such definitions - always also knowing that free is not really
>>>>>free.
>>>>
>>>> "Liberated" is a valid meaning of the word "free".
>>>
>>>No. It is a valid meaning of the word "freed".
>>
>>Only if you're being exceedingly pedantic and probably not even
>>then. Webster 1913 lists, among other meanings,
>>
>>Free
>>(...)
>>"Liberated, by arriving at a certain age, from the control
>>of parents, guardian, or master."
>>
>>The point presumably being that having been "liberated", you are now
>>"free".
>
> I don't think knowing the meaning of a word is being pedantic.
> "Freed" is derived from "free" but has a different, though associated,
> meaning. Words have meaning despite the many attempts by Generation X
> to assert otherwise. Symbolism over substance has become the mantra
> of the young.
>
> The English language has degenerated significantly in the last 30
> years. People (marketers in particular) routinely coin ridiculous new
> words and hope they will catch on. I remember seeing a documentary
> (circa 1990?) about changes in the English language. One part of the
> program was about the BBC news and one of its editors, whom the staff
> called the "protector of language", who checked the pronunciation of
> words by the news anchors. The thing that struck me about this story
> was the number of BBC newspeople who publicly admitted that they could
> hardly wait for this man to retire so they could write and speak the
> way they wanted rather than having to be "correct".
>
> Dictionaries used to be the arbiters of the language - any word or
> meaning of a word not found in the dictionary was considered a
> colloquial (slang) use. Since the 1980's, an entry in the dictionary
> has become little more than evidence of popularity as the major
> dictionaries (OED, Webster, Cambridge, etc.) will now consider any
> word they can find used in print.
>
Language is not a static 'set in stone' thing. It changes and while some
may find the changes unwelcome, it will change anyway. Although I have no
evidence to support it, I suspect that 'free' wold have been more commonly
associated with meanings other than 'free of cost' pre-capitalism. Checking
a few dictionaries seems to indicate that its meaning along the lines of
free from restriction, control, freedom, liberated etc is more in keeping
with its origins than an interpretation of free of cost and that even in
that context, it meant free from the restriction of having to be paid for.
The bottom line is that free has different meanings and if a group decides
to use that term and at the same time specify which context it means it to
apply, then I think that is reasonable. Ask your wife what she thinks is
meant by a free variable and she may say that it is a variable that has no
cost (as in free beer), This doesn't mean that its use is wrong or
incorrect.
I once asked RMS why he chose free, given the ambiguity it would cause,
over alternatives, such as freedom, liberated or even unrestricted. His
response was that at the time, free as in freedom was the concious
association they had and other associations and resulting ambiguity did not
occur to them until it was too late. This seems reasonable enough. If your
focus was to ensure that software was free from what you perceived to be
restrictions that would ultimately reduce your individual freedom, then
free fits. The fact this has led to confusion amongst consumers in a
capitalist based economy probably says as much about modern values and the
changing balance between consumerism compared to freedom than anything
else.
Tim
"The Americans are identical to the British in all respects except, of
course, language." Oscar Wilde
Giving English to an American is like giving sex to a child. He knows it's
important but he doesn't know what to do with it. Adam Cooper (19th
century)
"We (the British and Americans) are two countries separated by a common
language. G.B. Shaw
The Englishman commented to the American about the "curious"
way in which he pronounced so many words, such as schedule
(pronounced shedule). The American thought about it for a few
moments, then replied, "Perhaps it's because we went to
different shools!"
Englishman: Its maths not math because it is short for mathematics
American: Then you would say "Maths are fun"?
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tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au
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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:59:15 -0700
From: Ron Bergin <rkb@i.frys.com>
Subject: Re: Trying to start a perl script as Windows Service
Message-Id: <1191470355.993726.88180@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
On Oct 3, 11:14 am, "dn.p...@gmail.com" <dn.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 5:30 pm, Ben Morrow <b...@morrow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > To run an arbitrary program as a windows service you need to use srvany
> > from the Resource Kit. I don't really know why, but it's to do with how
> > Windows expects a service to behave. Seehttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/137890.
>
> I have used srvany from the Resource Kit and followed the steps from
> the above URL. But the service stops immediately after I start it. It
> is supposed to print one line every 20 seconds to a file in an
> infinite loop. It is not supposed to print anything to stdout, so it
> should really run in the background and the question of it having 'no
> place' to print (as suggested by Bill H) does not exist. Some services
> stop after starting because 'they have nothing to do'. But this
> process does have something to do and yet it stops.
I've never used it myself, but you could try Win32::Daemon
http://search.cpan.org/~daveroth/Win32-Scheduler_v20000702/lib/Win32/Scheduler.PM
http://www.roth.net/perl/Daemon/
Win32::Daemon::Simple
http://search.cpan.org/~jenda/Win32-Daemon-Simple-0.2.6/Simple.pm
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