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Re: A question about regex <glex_no-spam@qwest-spam-no.invalid>
ANN: DBD-Unify-0.65 <h.m.brand@xs4all.nl>
Re: how to call sub by value in variable - SOLVED <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Re: How to get "<$myclass_instance>" to work? <uri@stemsystems.com>
MI5 Persecution: BBC+ITN=MI5 23/7/96 (2174) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
MI5 Persecution: David Hepworth (1) 26/2/97 (10735) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
MI5 Persecution: Excellent web page 19/10/96 (7066) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
MI5 Persecution: I am being ignored 17/4/97 (13181) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
MI5 Persecution: Just too crazy 30/9/96 (4620) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
MI5 Persecution: Latest technology 31/7/96 (3397) MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:59:54 -0500
From: "J. Gleixner" <glex_no-spam@qwest-spam-no.invalid>
Subject: Re: A question about regex
Message-Id: <46c9ba7a$0$3581$815e3792@news.qwest.net>
Henry Law wrote:
> Madhusudhanan Chandrasekaran wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a perl newbie. I am reading from a file line by line and
>> matching it for a partiuclar regex. If the match is found, I want
>> to print the previous and the next few lines.
>
> I'm all for using Perl, but if you're on a UNIX system then grep -A1 -a1
grep -A 1 -B 1
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:46:41 GMT
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Subject: ANN: DBD-Unify-0.65
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*** Release 0.65 - Mon 20 Aug 2007 <h.m.brand@xs4all.nl>
- perlcritic OK
- BAILOUT -> BAIL_OUT
- BAIL_OUT () when table creation fails
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- Tested under DBI-1.56. Make sure to rebuild the DBD
- Added t/15-uni-fail.t
- Differentiate between carp (warnings) and croak (errors) better
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:59:08 +0200
From: "Petr Vileta" <stoupa@practisoft.cz>
Subject: Re: how to call sub by value in variable - SOLVED
Message-Id: <fac70j$1i5b$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>
Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
> Petr Vileta wrote:
>> #!/usr/bin/perl
>> use strict;
>> use warnings;
>>
>> if(defined(&{"main::" . $sub}))
>> {
>> (\&$sub)->($name);
>> }
>
> Too obfuscated to my taste. If you don't want to use a dispatch table,
> why not just:
>
> no strict 'refs';
> if ( defined &$sub ) {
> $sub->($name);
> }
Yes, this may be used too, but I prefer to _not_ use no strict 'refs'. The
dispatch table is bad solution for me because now I have 10 subs in my
script but in future I will have about hundreds of subs and dispatch table
will be too huge. In other words - one man adding data to database and I'm
writing new subs when I get message from my error log ;-)
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Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:23:13 GMT
From: Uri Guttman <uri@stemsystems.com>
Subject: Re: How to get "<$myclass_instance>" to work?
Message-Id: <x7hcmuxmam.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
>>>>> "WMP" == Wayne M Poe <louisREMOVE@REMOVEh4h.com> writes:
WMP> Uri Guttman wrote:
>>>>>>> "k" == kj <socyl@987jk.com.invalid> writes:
>>
k> In <x7zm0ri5hu.fsf@mail.sysarch.com> Uri Guttman
>> <uri@stemsystems.com> writes: >> that i didn't see. but as i think
>> it is less work, tying should be on >> the table. maybe he was
>> scared by what he thought it needed.
>>
k> No, actually, it's not the amount of work that scares, but rather
k> the fact that I've never gotten the hang of tied variables. For
k> me programming with them is always an exercise in trial and error;
k> I never quite know what to expect. Too much magic for my little
k> brain, I guess.
>>
>> then you shouldn't be a programmer. in fact programming should never
>> be trial and error as it is specifically meant to be deterministic by
>> its very nature. :)
WMP> And who are you to tell someone they shouldn't be programming? Coming
WMP> from someone who can't even use the stinking shift key.
my shift key smells so bad i don't dare TOUCH IT!
and i started coding on punch cards and in PL/I when code was case
insensitive and almost always upper case!
>> having read overload.pm and seen it in use it is the same level of
>> complexity as tying but it does it from an operator point of view vs a
>> variable view.
WMP> Maybe from your point of view the complexity is the same, but I get the
WMP> feeling it's not from the OP's. He seemed to make that very clear yet
WMP> you keep on ignoring this.
well, maybe i can change his point of view. it happens here all the time
(or at least should :).
>> in many ways they are very similar. they both require
>> objects. i think overloading is more complex because you usually have
>> to deal with 2 possible operands and how they relate based on the
>> operator. with <> you only have 1 operand so it simplifies things a
>> bit.
WMP> It all depends on one's background. If one is coming from a language
WMP> like C++ then overloading will feel more natural.
and using c++ us unnatural to begin with! :)
to reiterate, trial and error is not a good programming technique.
uri
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 13:59:32 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: BBC+ITN=MI5 23/7/96 (2174)
Message-Id: <m07072013592956@4ax.com>
Newsgroups: uk.misc,alt.radio.uk,uk.media,alt.politics.british,uk.legal
From: bu765@torfree.net (Mike Corley)
Subject: MI5 Buy into the Media
Message-ID: <Dv0p34.73.0.bloor@torfree.net>
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
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References: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960716155603.6898A-100000@ermine.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:28:15 GMT
Peter Harding (harding@ermine.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: I was at speakers' corner on Sunday. There was one chap who was bellowing
: about something or other, I don't know what, but one thing he said to
: someone caught my ear:
: "BBC, MI5, same thing."
Can't disagree with that sentiment.
Wasn't it documented that MI5 sometimes "bought" journalists and broadcasters?
I remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra
tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece, and had refused.
Bet you lots of others didn't refuse. Why do you think MI5 have such easy
access to the BBC and media? Because they're directly paying them off, that's why.
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Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:01:15 uk.misc Thread 20 of 25
Lines 17 Re: MI5 Buy into the Media No responses
Iain@cummings.demon.co.uk Iain Cummings at Fish!
In article <Dv0p34.73.0.bloor@torfree.net>, Mike Corley
<bu765@torfree.net> writes
>
>Wasn't it documented that MI5 sometimes "bought" journalists and broadcasters?
>I remember reading a report by some jouralist who had been offered an extra
>tax-free income by MI5 to become their covert mouthpiece, and had refused.
>
>
It was Jon Snow of Channel 4.
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> : >mouthpiece, and had refused.
> :
> : It was Jon Snow of Channel 4.
>
> Was it reported in any of the papers?
It has been reported several times. The most recent was in Private Eye,
a few months back. As I recall they also wanted information from him;
journalists would be a natural choice for members of the Security Service
and the Secret Intelligence Service for information sources.
> It might be interesting to see what he had to say regarding their
> attempt to recruit him.
He was most concerned that many others would have accepted such an
offer. However, we can probably make an educated guess as to some of
those who accepted: Nigel West (Rupert Allason, MP) and Chapman Pincher
would come near to the top of the list.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 16:40:40 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: David Hepworth (1) 26/2/97 (10735)
Message-Id: <m07072016403666@4ax.com>
Subject: "Absolute Obscene" David Hepworth (GLR)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.legal,alt.radio.uk,uk.media,uk.media.radio.misc
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
Summary:
Keywords:
Last night (21/Feb/97), I was listening to BBC GLR. You have to understand that
I was listening by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have Capital blaring out of
the speakers all over the garden ("if he listens to Capital then he can't be
all bad", thanks ever so much). But now I listen on my walkman on headphones
with the volume turned right down. It could not possibly be overheard by any
listening device, no matter how sensitive, because sound does not carry from
the headphones.
Yet somehow they are still able to tell which station I am listening to on the
walkman. And last night, I bravely tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around 8.45pm.
Everything went well for the first half hour or so. The DJ (today GLR told me
it was David Hepworth) had a "rock star spelling competition" (how do you spell
Shakespear's Sister?), no trouble there. I was recording the show onto tape
just in case anything unpleasant happened, as I had reason to think it might.
Around 9.10pm, it did. Here, precisely, is what Hepworth said after the song
"Come Around" by the Muttonbirds (I have this on tape, and at some point will
be posting the audio on my website);
"New album's called 'Envy of Angels', that comes out soon, that's the single
that's already out, I would imagine, that's 'Come Around', the Muttonbirds, er,
coming up after this, we got the rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I assume,
Brian do we have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't we,
(EMPHASIS) absolute obscene (END-EMPHASIS) amounts of prizes, there will no
doubt be a riot at the back door", and that's, er, A-level coming up after this"
The key phrases in what he said are, "EMBARRASSMENT of prizes", and what he
himself emphasized verbally, "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount of prizes". It is my
belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when he spoke these phrases he
knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to my situation. The
"EMBARRASSMENT" is the embarrassment he and other media people would feel at
having their wrongdoing exposed; the "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE" (which he verbally
emphasized) described the disgusting sexual abuse which the harassers have been
throwing at me.
Needless to say, I can't prove this is what he meant, although this has
happened enough times that it's hard not to recognise it when you see it. But I
shall be sending him a copy of this explanation. We'll see what he has to say
for himself.
....................................................................
Subject: Re: "Absolute Obscene" David Hepworth (GLR)
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.legal,alt.radio.uk,uk.media,uk.media.radio.misc
Followup-To: uk.misc,uk.legal,alt.radio.uk,uk.media,uk.media.radio.misc
References: <E60IAy.CL5.0.bloor@torfree.net> <330f2bac.2665181@nntp.best.com> <331372$
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Anthony@dircon.co.uk-antispam (Anthony) wrote:
>Greg W wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:11:22 GMT, bu765@torfree.net (Mike Corley)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Last night (21/Feb/97), I was listening to BBC GLR. You have to understand
that
>> >I was listening by stealth. Back in 1990 I used to have Capital blaring out
of
[snip]
>> huh?
>
>I can't understand it myself. Can anyone else help us ?
I will try to explain with greater clarity.
I am prone to have ideas of "interactive watching" by people on TV, and
"interactive listening" by people on the radio; which means as I listen to
their programme, they are aware that I am listening (because my home is spied
on, and those doing the spying phone up the radio station and tell them that I
am listening to them), and they then interject nasty remarks in what they say.
This is what I believe may have happened on Friday night with GLR, and what I
was trying to explain in my article.
It's happened before with other radio stations, most worryingly when I am
listening quietly on my walkman as happened on Friday. This time, the
interjected words were "embarrassment" and "absolute obscene". The "absolute
obscene" referred to the abuse which is currently being directed at me.
I hope that's a little clearer.
....................................................................
From: simon@star-one.org.uk (Simon Gray)
Facility thusly:
~ huh?
Just because you need to read it twice in order to understand it, is
that any reason to inflict it on the rest of us again ?
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....................................................................
Mike, try playing a cassette in your walkman. There is no way they can
reach you then. HTH
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Mike Corley wrote:
> ............................ This time, the
> interjected words were "embarrassment" and "absolute obscene". The "absolute
> obscene" referred to the abuse which is currently being directed at me.
But it is possible that those two sets of interjected words could have
validly referred to something else.
> I hope that's a little clearer.
Thank you, it is a bit clearer.
Posted in uk.legal by Anthony@dircon.co.uk
....................................................................
Simon Rushton <Simon@ppushers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Some people, new to this group, may not realise the Mike is our resident
>Paranoid Schizophrenic. This is not a joke, it is serious. He has
>already admitted stopping taking prescribed drugs for his condition.
Though I have to say I've never heard one as obscure as that, even
from Mike. How he can believe a rubbish trail for a crap competition
is directed at him is beyond me!
He's sent a copy of the post to the jock, too. I hope he doesn't read
it out.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 15:39:07 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: Excellent web page 19/10/96 (7066)
Message-Id: <m07072015390491@4ax.com>
From: Chris Lawton <chrisla@ti.com>
Subject: Re: MI5 persecution ;; Cost of the Harassment
Message-ID: <325A3DA6.3447@ti.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:40:22 GMT
Reply-To: chrisla@ti.com
DANIEL ROBERT HOLDSWORTH wrote:
>
> In article <3262b4fc.14638885@192.168.2.1>,
> stevea@castlsys.demon.co.uk.no.spam.thanx (Steve A) writes:
> :On 4 Oct 1996 13:19:16 +0100, drh92@aber.ac.uk (DANIEL ROBERT
> :HOLDSWORTH) wrote:
> :
> :>
> :> Oh NO!
> :>
> :> Not here too.
> :>
> :> This MI5 persecution thread's been doing the rounds of UK.MISC for ages;
> :> it concerns some paranoid loony who thinks that MI5 are out to get him.
> :>
> :> They're not; everyone else on that newsgroup IS.
> :>
> :> Killfile the moron NOW!
> :
Bit sad really, the guy (must be the same one) has an excellent web
page. Definite waste of talent.
PS: I am NOT disclosing his URL.
> The man's been changing his anon remailer address periodically, too.
>
> Why on earth he does I don't know; he's in serious danger of creating some
> real enemies, apart from the phantoms his sadly deranged mind has created.
>
........................................................................................
From: nuala@mimir.com (Nuala Fahey)
Subject: Re: MI5 persecution // BBC TV and Radio
Date: 4 Oct 1996 16:03:24 +0100
Message-ID: <5338vs$hrc@freyja.mimir.com>
Simon Lord <simonl@hrmconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>I expect he will soon be seen in uk.out.to.lunch
Considering he spammed it far and wide (well, at least to alt.angst and
alt.folklore.urban which I saw and each of those included other groups
in the Newsgroups line) I doubt he'll be seen anywhere for long. Using
the xs4all remailer doesn't really help if you post the url to a
web site which makes it clear who you are.
Nuala, who thinks that the sad thing is he used frames much better
than many sites done by supposedly 'sane' people.
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Now I'd rather you would leave - Baby Chaos
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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 01:36:26 +0100
From: mike.monty@zetnet.co.uk
To: bu765@torfree.net
Subject: Praise
Hi,
Totally excellent page. Although I am a little confused whi is being
percecuted?
Cheers Michael
mike.monty@zetnet.co.uk
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 17:45:22 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: I am being ignored 17/4/97 (13181)
Message-Id: <m07072017451892@4ax.com>
Subject: I am being ignored
Newsgroups: uk.misc,uk.legal
Organization: Toronto Free-Net
Summary:
Keywords:
Something mildly unusual is happening. Nobody has been getting at me for the
last couple of weeks. Best of all, about three weeks ago I bought a video
recorder to try to get some evidence from the News etc, and despite having
watched Martyn Lewis, Michael Buerk and the whole lot of them, not one of them
has said anything to me in the last three weeks. And I have been listening to
and recording Capital, with no ill effect. All in all, I am being
comprehensively ignored.
Of course, I should have video-taped the news programmes back in 1990/91/92
(and even 93) when it was still all going on. Anthony Johnsson (casually
name-drop to stick the knife in) will tell you how intelligent a person I am,
yet I didn't have the good sense to record the programmes at the time, and it's
a bit late now.
Today another avenue of exploration closed when my second summons against the
BBC was struck out (basically through lack of evidence), and an order was made
by the district judge saying that I could not sue John Birt again without the
express permission of the court. She explained that this was for my own good,
to save me the summons fees. Costs were not awarded though (the BBC didn't even
really seek costs), and I am free to sue anyone else I take a shine to.
..................................................................
It is not that you are being ignored.... it is just that as your mental
health improves, so your paranoia eases.
OR...
The dark forces are gathering strength for the final battle with you...
Seriously though, it's nice to see you back - cos as long as they are
persecuting you, I can relax knowing they haven't got time to bother me!
Harry
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http://www.smcat.com
..................................................................
From: burridge@osiris.win-uk.net (Paul Burridge)
Great news! Keep taking the tablets.
..................................................................
(posted 11/apr/1997, re Neil Long at 8.35pm Capital Radio)
Subject: Re: I am being ignored
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Mike Corley (bu765@torfree.net) wrote:
[unreasonable optimism snipped]
Well, that didn't last very long, did it?
Capital Radio this evening approx 8.35pm, Neil Long's programme a few moments
after I switched to it (I am listening to it as I type this). The following
spouted from his mouth;
"want to see Jacko in town? what a gig it's going to be, that guy is amazing,
and PSYCHOTIC, but amazing on stage, 0171-4200958, on stage he's a MADMAN but
he's wonderful"
God, I am so tired of this. It's been going on for seven years. When's it going
to stop?
I have the above extract on tape. When I get around to it I will post it, and
the Hepworth snippet, as audio files on the website. Of course, all the
doubting Thomases and Smids can carry on doubting, because the mere fact that
moments after switching on the DJ starts talking about "psychotic", that's not
proof is it?
I wrote an aggrieved letter to Chris Tarrant at Capital and sent it off today,
copied to Richard Park, Group Director of Programmes. I suppose they'll just
lie as usual. Bastards, basically.
..................................................................
The solution is surely to not have a TV, video, radio or telephone in
the house, Mike. That way they can't be used to watch you.
Dave
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Any advice above is worth what I paid for it.
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Subject: Re: I am being ignored
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"Dave {Reply address in.sig}" <noone@llondel.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>The solution is surely to not have a TV, video, radio or telephone in
>the house, Mike. That way they can't be used to watch you.
No. I tried that strategy in 1990/91 when I sold my television and stopped
listening to the radio. It didn't work because they got at me through
co-workers and eventually the general public.
The solution is to gather evidence by recording everything, and then complain
or sue if possible. I wish I'd recorded it all five or six years ago, then I
might be more successful in a legal action now.
..................................................................
Did anyone else watch the X-Files on Sky last night (Sunday 13th April) and
recognise Mike's symptons in the chap with the tattoo? It was quite
interesting to see someone responding in precisely the same way, picking up
on individual words and phrases in ordinary sentences and applying parts to
themselves as though they were intended.
Not a pleasant ending though. You take care, Mike, and keep taking the
medication. uk.misc just wouldn't be the same without you now.
Claire
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>moments after switching on the DJ starts talking about "psychotic", that's not
>proof is it?
No, it isn't, but you knew that anyway.
Mike, how is it that you think that this can't be a coincidence because
it happened 'moments' after you switched on the radio? Haven't you just
told us that you haven't heard a thing for two weeks? Going two weeks
watching TV & listening to the radio without a reference to 'mad', 'crazy'
or 'loony' is quite an acheivement, especially given the trashy radio you
seem to prefer.
I've just spent a lot of the weekend trying to keep a manic depressive
under control, so that she doesn't have to go back into hospital and
lose the last few months' memories to ECT. One thing I've noticed is
that manic depressives almost seek to foster their fantasies, they
enjoy the control and the high. You seem to be the same - you refuse
to answer the points put to you that explain away what you call persecution
totally - do you have the courage of your convictions to reply to this?
Or do you enjoy the attention your illness brings you?
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-see Twin Town- -Buy Apollo 440-
..................................................................
Mike Corley wrote:
> Something mildly unusual is happening. Nobody has been getting at me for the
> last couple of weeks.
Do please tell the *truth*. It has been longer than *2* weeks as I'm sure
you have noticed, hasn't it ?
Well I claim responsibility for the absence of persecution. When I rang
John Major's personal private secretary, not the personal political one or
any of the others in the same office, and I said you would vote for the
Conservative Party at the General Election the secretary said Johnny would
be so happy and as a sign of gratitude he rang-up the Head of MI5 and told
them to save money for tax cuts by abandoning forthwith their campaign
against you. Consequently MI5 and MI6 have been able to redeploy urgently
needed resources (i.e. manpower and telecoms interceptions) against an
international band of (*****censored*****).
On behalf of the law-abiding and decent citizens in the British islands, I
would like to sincerely thank you for your invaluable contribution to
crime fighting by your instrumental achievement in releasing badly needed
and very scarce MI5 and MI6 resources.
Many thanks,
> Best of all, about three weeks ago I bought a video recorder to try to get some
> evidence from the News etc, and despite having watched Martyn Lewis, Michael
> Buerk and the whole lot of them, not one of them has said anything to me in the
> last three weeks. And I have been listening to and recording Capital, with no ill
> effect. All in all, I am being comprehensively ignored.
Please don't forget it is National Election time and the news broadcasts
at 21:00 on BBC1 are preoccupied with British politics.
> Of course, I should have video-taped the news programmes back in 1990/91/92
> (and even 93) when it was still all going on.
Any particular date in mind ? I have a few in the library. You can also
purchase copies from the BBC on 0181-743 8000 (central switchboard).
> Anthony Johnsson (casually name-drop to stick the knife in) will tell you how intelligent
> a person I am, yet I didn't have the good sense to record the programmes at the time,
> and it's a bit late now.
Perhaps it is for the best. Now that it is all over, you can return to
Canada. Did you manage to get your Canadian citizenship ? What did your
contracts at MI5 say about you becoming Canadian ? You never did mention
the name of your MI5 liaison officer nor of any of the others.
> Today another avenue of exploration closed when my second summons against the
> BBC was struck out (basically through lack of evidence), and an order was made
> by the district judge saying that I could not sue John Birt again without the
> express permission of the court. She explained that this was for my own good,
> to save me the summons fees. Costs were not awarded though (the BBC didn't even
> really seek costs), and I am free to sue anyone else I take a shine to.
That's true. But as it is now all over there is no need to worry about
the past. MI5 said your file has been removed from the Registry and put
in a burn-bag so there is nothing left for anyone ever to find.
By the way, what was the URL of your famous Corley web site ?
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Illtud Daniel (idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: Iain L M Hotchkies <iain@hotch.demon.co.uk.spam-free.zone> wrote:
: >Illtud Daniel typed:
: >
: >> You seem to be the same - you refuse
: >> to answer the points put to you that explain away what you call persecution
: >> totally - do you have the courage of your convictions to reply to this?
: >> Or do you enjoy the attention your illness brings you?
I have to admit that it is actually mildly amusing to have newsreaders watching
you, although it is tiresome after a bit. I am currently in an interesting
situation, because after my lawsuits against them I think the BBC newscasters
have stopped watching me entirely; I also think that ITN, in particular John
Suchet, *are* still watching but they're being subtle about it (his blink
pattern followed mine).
Being called nasty words is quite horrible though, and seems gratuitous; what
do they gain by it, except to exercise their sadism?
: >I think we all ought to remember that schizophrenia is a
: >psychosis, and as such, unless you are American and believe
: >that *anything* can be dealt with through counselling and/or
: >psychotherapy, will not respond to this type of treatment.
: Tell me about it. My friend is now unhappily resident in Warneford
: mental health unit, or whatever they call psychiatric hospitals nowardays.
I've never been in a hospital as an in-patient, ever. I think I've been very
lucky in that regard.
: Having said that, one should seek to disabuse even psychotics of their
: delusions.
The medicines haven't made any difference to my ideas. They obviously make a
difference in the emotional impact and reaction.
..................................................................
>I've never been in a hospital as an in-patient, ever. I think I've been very
>lucky in that regard.
You have. They're not pleasant atmospheres, especially the secure wings,
which have more in common with prisons ('airlock' doors, list of 'banned'
articles, continuous observation). They have to be that way, unfortunately.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 14:55:02 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: Just too crazy 30/9/96 (4620)
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Subject: Re: Is MI5 persecuting Mike Corley?
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wooding@cf.ac.uk wrote:
: In article <NEWTNews.843523097.30215.apascoe@apascoe.patrol.i-way.co.uk> apascoe@pa$
: > In summary, for there to be a serious possibility that Mike
: >Corley's allegations are true, there needs to be evidence of two
: >things. Firstly, there must be evidence of subversive activity on
: >his part. Secondly, there needs to be evidence of MI5 taking
: >measures to counter this subversive activity, in proportion to the
: >magnitude of the threat posed. Upon reading Mike Corley's posts,
: Alan,
: What about the following scenario? MI5 conducts "experiments" including
: field trials of novel surveillance methods. Say there was a "research
: project" underway to see just how invasive a surveillance of an
: individual could be. Perhaps it wasn't research, perhaps it was for
: training of novice personnel. Either way, there is a sizeable risk of
: detection. In order to minimise the consequences of this, you choose
: someone who is out of the public eye, and if possible someone whose
: credibility is already damaged - by diagnosis of schizophrenia, for example.
: This will facilitate the "plausible denial" if something goes wrong.
: I think this would be closer to Mike's theory.
: Mike, if you are reading, please don't post the story again. Anyone can
: read it at [snip] if they are interested. Also, don't
: think that I actually *believe* the above. On cost alone, it is extremely
: unlikely to be true, and some elements of the story (people in the media
: being "in on it") are just too crazy (though I can see how the paranoia
: builds to the extent that you can see "them" everywhere).
My argument is that the fact that it's so totally crazy is what makes it so
plausible and so hard to prove.
I shall continue to try to find ways to kick down the house of cards. Because
it is a brittle structure. It only needs one person to corroborate, and then
it's all over.
: P.S. Anyone else ever thought of "what-ifs" along the same lines? I
: remember as a boy daydreaming that maybe I was the focus of national
: attention in a "let's follow the life of one person from life to
: death" study - that while I was out or in bed there were programmes on
: the television about my life so far, etc. It makes for a good fiction,
Perhaps MI5 have become victims of their own paranoia. Their agency has been
thought of as acting disreputably, so when their decision arrives, they don't
think twice about breaking the law. Whereas say CSIS (the Canadian equivalent)
is at pains to point out how it would never ever do anything in contravention
of the law, and how it is strictly controlled in what it does and how it does it.
If this matter does ever make it into the public gaze, then it won't just be a
few individuals in the media or security service who'll get hit. The UK is
supposed to be a civilized democratic country (East Germany called themselves a
democracy and they had the Stasi, but anyway). In a civilized country these
things shouldn't be happening - and it is ultimately Parliament and the
government who are answerable for not imposing sufficient restraints and
accountability on those who are supposed to be ensuring security for citizens,
not jeopardising it.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 14:26:21 GMT
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk
Subject: MI5 Persecution: Latest technology 31/7/96 (3397)
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From: Jon <Jon@jongru.demon.co.uk>
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>an410901@anon.penet.fi wrote:
>> ... Normal surveillance
>>"mini-cameras" are quite noticeable and require visible supporting
>>circuitry. It seems to me the best place to put a small video surveillance
>>device would be additional to a piece of electronic equipment such as a TV
>>or video.
>
>I would imagine it is quite easy to compleatly hida a camera, even in
>a familar enviroment, such as a persons home. You only need a hole the
>size of a pin hole, for the camera to see through.
This is true. I frequently employ private detectives to spy on people
(there's a good reason for this and I'll tell you if you guess
correctly) and one such detective showed me the latest technology only
last week. A small rucksack. One strap of the rucksack has a tiny hole
in it that you wouldn't notice unless someone pointed to it. That's the
camera: the wires lead into the rucksack itself where there is a video
tape recorder little bigger than a Walkman. I don't know if that's what
Roger Cook uses but it certainly explains why it is that the subject can
look straight into the lens and not realise (s)he's being filmed. Now, I
say "latest technology" and I think that's the technology that the
police use as well as the retired police who become private detectives,
but no doubt the security services have far more sophisticated
equipment.
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